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Truth Be Told - 26 May 2004 00:45 GMT
I just thought I would warn everyone that Carla may not post on this ng, but
she  very much posts on others. The other day someone was kind enough to alert
me of my information being posted on another ng as well as  some racist
comments that she  tried to make look like I said.  What she did was creaet a
yahoo id with a sceen name almost identical to mine.  I would like to thank
Shirley for bringing this to my attention.  Since then I have been looking at
the other ngs to make sure there aren't any more of those posts. This being
said, I will alert anyone if I see  she has done this to others. Google and
yahoo have been notified.
LuanneP - 26 May 2004 01:00 GMT
>I just thought I would warn everyone that Carla may not post on this ng, but
>she  very much posts on others.

Well, here is something that may make everyone's night - Anthony, an old member
of Bernice's group who was kicked off when someone accused him of being a paid
searcher (he was not) bought the domain of "Angels Lost In Adoption."  

Since he was apparently was STUCK with the domain name, see what he did with
the site:

http://www.angelslostinadoption.com

Poor Anthony!  Accused and sentenced without a trial and without any proof!!
jules - 26 May 2004 05:40 GMT
f.ck it, I joined!!!!!!! ROTFLMFAO!

> Well, here is something that may make everyone's night - Anthony, an old member
> of Bernice's group who was kicked off when someone accused him of being a paid
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>
> Poor Anthony!  Accused and sentenced without a trial and without any proof!!
bcmackie - 26 May 2004 08:14 GMT
LOL oops Jules, those horns are showing yet again. Ahhh but I must admit
(hehe) they suit you.......
I just want to know "how did you get in there? (hehe), never mind don't
want to know trade secrets <sigh>

>f.ck it, I joined!!!!!!! ROTFLMFAO!
>
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>  
jules - 26 May 2004 10:16 GMT
I wrote Anthony and got a special invite! LOLOL
I seriously did join!
Yes, my horns suit me........I sharpen them every night, along with my claws! :o)
Gez........do you think the new ALIA will be as big (or bigger) as Gramma's group?? It will be bigger if he can figure out how to put 793 fake members in there won't it???
ROTFLMFAO ;o)

 LOL oops Jules, those horns are showing yet again. Ahhh but I must admit (hehe) they suit you.......
  I just want to know "how did you get in there? (hehe), never mind don't want to know trade secrets <sigh>

 jules wrote:

f.ck it, I joined!!!!!!! ROTFLMFAO!

 Well, here is something that may make everyone's night - Anthony, an old
   member
 of Bernice's group who was kicked off when someone accused him of being a
   paid
 searcher (he was not) bought the domain of "Angels Lost In Adoption."

Since he was apparently was STUCK with the domain name, see what he did
   with
 the site:

http://www.angelslostinadoption.com

Poor Anthony!  Accused and sentenced without a trial and without any
   proof!!
 

   

 
bcmackie - 26 May 2004 10:40 GMT
LOL invite certain people, and he will build it quickly  :-D

Oh geesh now MY horns are showing, argggggggggg

cheryl
PS: hehe get me an invite??????

> I wrote Anthony and got a special invite! LOLOL
> I seriously did join!
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>>  
Soulwhisper7 - 26 May 2004 15:22 GMT
>From: bcmackie bcmackie@shaw.ca
>User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207)
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I got one....haven't had time to look at it yet....sigh
Donna in NC - 26 May 2004 02:23 GMT

DM, you mentioned this once before.  Can you tell me WHERE she's posted
your info?  And are you sure it's Carla?  She's making 'racist comments'
and making it look like YOU said it?  Woah!

lipstik43@aol.com (Truth Be Told)
I just thought I would warn everyone that Carla may not post on this ng,
but she very much posts on others. The other day someone was kind enough
to alert me of my information being posted on another ng as well as some
racist comments that she tried to make look like I said. What she did
was creaet a yahoo id with a sceen name almost identical to mine. I
would like to thank Shirley for bringing this to my attention. Since
then I have been looking at the other ngs to make sure there aren't any
more of those posts. This being said, I will alert anyone if I see she
has done this to others. Google and yahoo have been notified.
Truth Be Told - 26 May 2004 03:15 GMT
>From: Donna749@webtv.net  (Donna in NC)
>Newsgroups: alt.adoption.issues
>Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:23:0

>DM, you mentioned this once before.  Can you tell me WHERE she's posted
>your info?  And are you sure it's Carla?  She's making 'racist comments'
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>more of those posts. This being said, I will alert anyone if I see she
>has done this to others. Google and yahoo have been notified.

I sent you the post  via email..just so you don't think I altered it go take a
look yourself., since you now know where it is. I just don't want alot of
people responding to it.  That is why I haven't posted the actual link
Donna in NC - 26 May 2004 10:37 GMT

lipstik43@aol.com (Truth Be Told)
DM, you mentioned this once before. Can you tell me WHERE she's posted
your info? And are you sure it's Carla? She's making 'racist comments'
and making it look like YOU said it? Woah!

I sent you the post via email..just so you don't think I altered it go
take a look yourself., since you now know where it is. I just don't want
alot of people responding to it. That is why I haven't posted the actual
link

I did go see for myself, DonnaMarie.  It IS there!  And I STILL can't
believe it!!!  Damn!
Debbie - 26 May 2004 11:15 GMT
Can you tell me too via e mail?I promise I will not respond to that piece of
lying scheming piece of trash.I do not want her e mailing me again.I want
nothing to do with her after what she has done to ALL OF US.I have her
blocked from my niece's e mail and if she starts her threats I will report
her for harassment and threats.
                              DEBBIE

lipstik43@aol.com (Truth Be Told)
DM, you mentioned this once before. Can you tell me WHERE she's posted
your info? And are you sure it's Carla? She's making 'racist comments'
and making it look like YOU said it? Woah!

I sent you the post via email..just so you don't think I altered it go
take a look yourself., since you now know where it is. I just don't want
alot of people responding to it. That is why I haven't posted the actual
link

I did go see for myself, DonnaMarie.  It IS there!  And I STILL can't
believe it!!!  Damn!
jules - 26 May 2004 17:35 GMT
Why does that surprise you?? She would lower herself into a vat of sh.t if
it served her purpose.
I have not seen the post DM talks about.......it must be pretty bad.
Carla should really try to get in touch with her psychiatrist. Paul should
grow balls and call and get her committed for a few weeks.

I did go see for myself, DonnaMarie.  It IS there!  And I STILL can't
believe it!!!  Damn!
Donna in NC - 26 May 2004 21:13 GMT
I guess I'm just surprised at the lengths she will go to in order to
antagonize another human being, Jules.  All of this is SO uncalled
for!!!  It takes a sick person to do what she has done!

jules (<jules>)
Why does that surprise you?? She would lower herself into a vat of sh.t
if it served her purpose.
I have not seen the post DM talks about.......it must be pretty bad.
Carla should really try to get in touch with her psychiatrist. Paul
should grow balls and call and get her committed for a few weeks.

I did go see for myself, DonnaMarie. It IS there! And I STILL can't
believe it!!! Damn!
Truth Be Told - 26 May 2004 21:37 GMT
Believe me that is minor in comparison to some of the stuff that is on record
of her doing or trying to do.  Let's put it this way, she has to get up very
early in the morning to get over on me. Anyone who knows me can tell you that I
am not one to say "i'm gonna do this" or "I'm gonna do that", I don't say a
word and just do what I have to do.  No idle threats nothing.  Then one day
it's Suprize!!!  Hello!!...Busted..
Donna in NC - 26 May 2004 23:01 GMT

You may think that post is minor (the one that you sent to me), but I
think it's a definite attempt at slandering your beliefs. And I don't
consider what she's done to me as 'minor' either, DonnaMarie.  Splaying
someone's life on the internet for the whole world to see is unethical
at best.  Anyone involved in 'searching' should not have their private
lives displayed...Or ANYONE for that damned matter!

lipstik43@aol.com (Truth Be Told)
Believe me that is minor in comparison to some of the stuff that is on
record of her doing or trying to do. Let's put it this way, she has to
get up very early in the morning to get over on me. Anyone who knows me
can tell you that I am not one to say "i'm gonna do this" or "I'm gonna
do that", I don't say a word and just do what I have to do. No idle
threats nothing. Then one day it's Suprize!!! Hello!!...Busted..
jules - 27 May 2004 08:58 GMT
She must really have some problems if she feels she needs to lash out and
try to manipulate people like she does.
I finally saw the post made by her and it is disgusting.
I have no idea what made her become so obsessed with DM that she would hurt
others, ruin friendships and completely go off the deep end.
All I can think of is that she felt rejected by DM and wants to hurt her so
bad it is taking over her life. She is clearly in dire NEED of psychiatric
care and the proper medication. People need to quit enabling her to continue
on like she is.
Sad sad sad.

> I guess I'm just surprised at the lengths she will go to in order to
> antagonize another human being, Jules.  All of this is SO uncalled
> for!!!  It takes a sick person to do what she has done!
Donna in NC - 27 May 2004 09:29 GMT
She takes the one thing that someone holds nearest to their heart and
uses that to try and destroy them, Jules.  As far as DM goes, Carla has
chosen the one thing that DM was SO adamant about and used it against
her.  I don't know why she does what she does, but she certainly needs
to work out her problems and frustrations another way!!!

(<jules>)
She must really have some problems if she feels she needs to lash out
and try to manipulate people like she does.
I finally saw the post made by her and it is disgusting. I have no idea
what made her become so obsessed with DM that she would hurt others,
ruin friendships and completely go off the deep end. All I can think of
is that she felt rejected by DM and wants to hurt her so bad it is
taking over her life. She is clearly in dire NEED of psychiatric care
and the proper medication. People need to quit enabling her to continue
on like she is.
Sad sad sad.
jules - 27 May 2004 19:23 GMT
You know I understand that she has some problems. What I can't understand is
why she feels the needs to attempt to destroy others instead of dealing with
her own problems. Is it jealousy that compels her??
I think her life is so void of love and she doesn't know how to operate with
compassion or understanding. Inside she must feel dark and hollow to do the
things she has done. She should really see a psychiatrist and get on the
proper medications. If that doesn't work she needs to see a new psychiatrist
and seek new treatment.
Nobody can make her get help but herself.

> She takes the one thing that someone holds nearest to their heart and
> uses that to try and destroy them, Jules.  As far as DM goes, Carla has
> chosen the one thing that DM was SO adamant about and used it against
> her.  I don't know why she does what she does, but she certainly needs
> to work out her problems and frustrations another way!!!
LuanneP - 27 May 2004 20:38 GMT
>What I can't understand is
>why she feels the needs to attempt to destroy others instead of dealing with
>her own problems.

People like her, Bernice and others would rather cause problems for other
people and NOT focus on themselves because let's face it:  Working on changing
ourselves is HARD HARD work.  Finding out "what is wrong" getting the right
medicine or treatment and/or therapy is not easy either.  It is a helluva
easier for someone to sit back and throw stones at somebody else. That way,
they don't have to deal with themselves and their own problems, hence feeling
like they are doing nothing wrong.  Like I said, a person who TALKS about
suicide isn't gonna commit suicide and if she DOES talk about it and her
husband does NOT have her hospitalized when she says that, he is worse than she
is but then, maybe he WANTS her to "go away."  I don't know.  I know if I
talked about offing myself, my husband would shove me in his truck and drive
non-stop to the nearest hospital!
Donna in NC - 27 May 2004 21:05 GMT
I have to say that I disagree here and it's not to start an argument.
Sometimes those contemplating suicide DO talk about it, Luanne.  It's a
cry for help.


luannep@aol.comedy (LuanneP)

People like her, Bernice and others would rather cause problems for
other people and NOT focus on themselves because let's face it: Working
on changing ourselves is HARD HARD work. Finding out "what is wrong"
getting the right medicine or treatment and/or therapy is not easy
either. It is a helluva easier for someone to sit back and throw stones
at somebody else. That way, they don't have to deal with themselves and
their own problems, hence feeling like they are doing nothing wrong.
Like I said, a person who TALKS about suicide isn't gonna commit suicide
and if she DOES talk about it and her husband does NOT have her
hospitalized when she says that, he is worse than she is but then, maybe
he WANTS her to "go away." I don't know. I know if I talked about offing
myself, my husband would shove me in his truck and drive non-stop to the
nearest hospital!
Donna in NC - 27 May 2004 21:00 GMT

Jules, I do think that jealousy is what spurs her on and I can't really
understand it.  I do know that if 'you're down and out' the old saying
is very true - Misery LOVES company - and she must be one miserable
human being right now.  She's unlike anyone I've ever known...

(<jules>)
You know I understand that she has some problems. What I can't
understand is why she feels the needs to attempt to destroy others
instead of dealing with her own problems. Is it jealousy that compels
her?? I think her life is so void of love and she doesn't know how to
operate with compassion or understanding. Inside she must feel dark and
hollow to do the things she has done. She should really see a
psychiatrist and get on the proper medications. If that doesn't work she
needs to see a new psychiatrist and seek new treatment.
Nobody can make her get help but herself.
LuanneP - 27 May 2004 14:23 GMT
>People need to quit enabling her to continue
>on like she is.
>Sad sad sad.

Her husband and daughter enable her, as do her friends who just feel sorry for
her because she is so misunderstood.  She has talked horribly about Terry yet
she still tolerated by her because Terry "feels sorry for her."  I feel sorry
for people too but if they don't help themselves and pull themselves up by
their bootstraps (Jules and I BOTH know how this is, when you have a crippling
emotional disorder) then what happens to them is their own fault.  I truly
don't believe Carla would ever have the balls to attempt suicide....Suicide
TAKES a lot of balls. Carla doesn't even have the nerve to defend herself on
this newsgroup in her own name.  Instead, she uses her daughter's name.  People
that talk about suicide don't commit suicide.  Before I was properly diagnosed,
right after the sexual assaults happened to me in the military, I had several
suicide attempts.  I didn't "tell" anybody ahead of time that I was going to do
it, I just did it.  I think that people who talk about it do it for the
"attention."  Bottom Line: Carla has to help herself but she is such a cowardly
individual with no backbone, I don't see it happening anytime soon.  It takes
GUTS to admit you have a problem and then take responsibility for yourself.
There are people that I know such as Carla and Peg who blame EVERYBODY ELSE for
their problems and never take responsibility for their own actions.  It takes
someone with class and character to admit that they are 'wrong' and that they
have a problem.  I have stepped up to the plate many a time and admitted I've
been wrong.  It makes me feel better when I can admit to something and I am
SURE you all know what I am talking about.

Luanne
jules - 27 May 2004 19:29 GMT
Ain't that the truth.
I was happily self medicating the pain for years and living in denial. (my
drug of choice was anger,  men and bad relationships)
I don't know exactly what happened that made me turn around and start to
FEEL things. I had a very good friend with the BALLS to tell me she didn't
LIKE me when I was single. That was a really profound and gutsy statement
but all too true. It really made me start to examine myself and to make
changes in my life.
You know a TRUE friend will risk losing your friendship by telling the
TRUTH.......and luckily I do have a friend with the BALLS to call it like
she sees it!

People need to quit coddling Carla and make her stand on her own two feet.

pull themselves up by
> their bootstraps (Jules and I BOTH know how this is, when you have a crippling
> emotional disorder)
Johnny - 27 May 2004 20:21 GMT
> Ain't that the truth.
> I was happily self medicating the pain for years and living in denial. (my
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>
> People need to quit coddling Carla and make her stand on her own two feet.

Or someone to get behind her knees, and another to push her over backwards...

>  pull themselves up by
> > their bootstraps (Jules and I BOTH know how this is, when you have a
> crippling
> > emotional disorder)
jules - 27 May 2004 21:11 GMT
ROTFLMFAO......I almost swallowed my gum!

> Or someone to get behind her knees, and another to push her over backwards...
>
> >  pull themselves up by
> > > their bootstraps
LuanneP - 27 May 2004 20:54 GMT
>People need to quit coddling Carla and make her stand on her own two feet.

I think most of Carla's "friends" have done that and truthfully, I do think
that Les honestly TRIED her very very best to be a friend to Carla.  (Les, that
is a compliment.)  I think that is why it took her so long to see through her,
because they had been friends for such a long time.  Most of Carla's other
"real friends" washed their hands of her.  Terry is just enabling her and I
told her this over the phone.  If Terry WAS a true friend to Carla, she would
tell her to get her sh.t together "and don't contact me again until you do."

Jules, it was my sister that helped me realize that something was "wrong" in my
life.  She, like me, is brutally honest.  Too much so, like I am sometimes.
She's been there for me through thick and thin but she was the ONLY would who
was there for me in any way when I got sober and when I was struggling with
depression and the PTSD. Thank GOD for her.  I'm speaking of my adopted sister.
She is, my true sister. She loves me unconditionally and I think God for her
honesty, her friendship and her love, especially in the past 14 years when I
have REALLY struggled.  

Yep, a true friend would quit "coddling" and enabling Carla - I agree.

Even Donna Marie, I have asked her for advice on things that are going on now
in my current life.  She NEVER minces words - she tells it like it is.  Just
last night, she gave me some good advice, and DM, I thank you for your honesty
and caring also.  It's hard to find someone who will REALLY not mince words
with you, isn't it???
jules - 27 May 2004 21:17 GMT
I do think Les tried to help her too.
Friendship can never be one taker and one giver 100% of the time. When you
are friends with a taker you are slowly being poisoned and it takes awhile
to reach toxic levels. Been there a few times myself.

I do think
> that Les honestly TRIED her very very best to be a friend to Carla.  (Les, that
> is a compliment.)  I think that is why it took her so long to see through her,
Debbie - 28 May 2004 00:35 GMT
Luanne: I did a reverse search on the work number Carla gave me.It is an
Attorney's office in Ma.His name is Robert [BOB]  too.LOL
                              Debbie

> >People need to quit coddling Carla and make her stand on her own two feet.
>
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> and caring also.  It's hard to find someone who will REALLY not mince words
> with you, isn't it???
jules - 28 May 2004 01:37 GMT
Would ya mind passing his name on?? I would love to give him a call.

> Luanne: I did a reverse search on the work number Carla gave me.It is an
> Attorney's office in Ma.His name is Robert [BOB]  too.LOL
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> words
> > with you, isn't it???
Debbie - 28 May 2004 02:17 GMT
Jules: Here it is.I know it is the correct one too as Carla gave me the
number.Good luck.Let me know what happens.

Saltzman Robt M Atty
1 Central
STONEHAM, MA 02180
781-279-0816

                                      DEBBIE

> Would ya mind passing his name on?? I would love to give him a call.
>
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> > words
> > > with you, isn't it???
LuanneP - 28 May 2004 03:02 GMT
>Luanne: I did a reverse search on the work number Carla gave me.It is an
>Attorney's office in Ma.His name is Robert [BOB]  too.LOL

Can you send me the number privately???  Here a Bob, There a Bob, Everywhere a
Bob-Bob.  Did you ever actually CALL her at that number?
jules - 28 May 2004 06:07 GMT
ROTFLMFAO! I can tell you are from Michigan.....if I know ONE Bob there I
know 100! Seems every man I know is named BOB.......I even dated a Bob or
two! LOLOL

> Can you send me the number privately???  Here a Bob, There a Bob, Everywhere a
> Bob-Bob.  Did you ever actually CALL her at that number?
LuanneP - 28 May 2004 14:12 GMT
>ROTFLMFAO! I can tell you are from Michigan.....if I know ONE Bob there I
>know 100! Seems every man I know is named BOB.......I even dated a Bob or
>two! LOLOL

My dad's name was Bob and my brother is named Robert although we call him
"Rob."
Lori - 28 May 2004 16:21 GMT
Maybe C**** can "bob" down and kiss the a@@ of anyone on this ng SHE has
screwed over with all of her lies. Opps, sorry, I just knew you all were
forgetting one very important "bob".
jules - 28 May 2004 18:56 GMT
HAHAHA, my 'fathers' name is Robia......close enough!

> My dad's name was Bob and my brother is named Robert although we call him
> "Rob."
IMHO - 28 May 2004 13:21 GMT
is that like, Daryl, Daryl and Daryl?
LOL LOL

>>Luanne: I did a reverse search on the work number Carla gave me.It is an
>>Attorney's office in Ma.His name is Robert [BOB]  too.LOL
>
>Can you send me the number privately???  Here a Bob, There a Bob, Everywhere
>a
>Bob-Bob.  Did you ever actually CALL her at that number?
Debbie - 29 May 2004 12:54 GMT
No but another group owner did and she got Carla at that number.BTW she is
not impressed with Carla and was in on all Carla's BS about me so she would
not lie to me and never has so I believe she reached Carla at that
number.Plus she did say it was an attorney and it was a Robert ___?? but
could not remember the last name.
                               DEBBIE
> >Luanne: I did a reverse search on the work number Carla gave me.It is an
> >Attorney's office in Ma.His name is Robert [BOB]  too.LOL
>
> Can you send me the number privately???  Here a Bob, There a Bob, Everywhere a
> Bob-Bob.  Did you ever actually CALL her at that number?
Truth Be Told - 29 May 2004 19:30 GMT
Well she told Luanne and I that the office was in Boston near my house.  Then
half hour later at around 9:30 that night she IMed Luanne  telling her her boss
gave her a transfer.  I had offered to meet her for coffee in our earlier
conversation.  Carla is a liar .  Someone called that Boston office she claimed
to have worked at and no one ever heard of Carla.>

No but another group owner did and she got Carla at that number.BTW she is
>not impressed with Carla and was in on all Carla's BS about me so she would
>not lie to me and never has so I believe she reached Carla at that
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>Everywhere a
>> Bob-Bob.  Did you ever actually CALL her at that number?
Soulwhisper7 - 28 May 2004 01:08 GMT
>From: luannep@aol.comedy  (LuanneP)
>Newsgroups: alt.adoption.issues
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>that
>is a compliment.)

You have to understand that this was the 2nd go round. The first time I got it
from her, I forgave her. And she re-entered my life when I was very vulnerable,
just after Jeff died. She was there for me everyday, called me almost nightly
to make sure I was holding together.

It was also the time that three of my dearest friends could not cope with me
and my grief and what they perceived to be odd behavior on my part at OTW. They
took a hike, compounding my grief tremendously and Carla was there for me
through it all. She didn't find my half crazed thinking and mass confusion odd
or abnormal, and she took nothing I said to heart. She knew about grief and
what it can do to a person.

When a person is there for you at such a painful and trying time, that is all
you see. You don't look at their faults or analyze their handicaps or
imperfections.

Yes Carla has problems and I am sorry she is hurting so many people, it's wrong
and I won't defend her. But by the same token, I won't join in on this putting
her down because I am dealing with what she did to me in a different way.

I understand you all,  Carla does not need coddling or enabling. I am not doing
that by simply not engaging in what I think only makes things worse. If you
take a retarded person and ridicule them, they begin to drool, foam at the
mouth and rage...and the rest of humanity ain't far behind.

Les

<snip>
Soulwhisper7 - 26 May 2004 15:20 GMT
>From: lipstik43@aol.com  (Truth Be Told)
>Newsgroups: alt.adoption.issues
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>said, I will alert anyone if I see  she has done this to others. Google and
>yahoo have been notified.

Ahhh sh.t! :-~
 
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