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Family Forum / Parenting / Adoption / November 2004Happy Thanksgiving Everyone
Hope you all have a great day and are abe to reflect on all there is to be thankful for. Happy Birthday Sheri. Wow the big 33 I wish I could say I am comming up on 33 again. Have a wonderful day! >Hope you all have a great day and are abe to reflect on all there is to be >thankful for. Happy Birthday Sheri. Wow the big 33 I wish I could say I am >comming up on 33 again. Have a wonderful day! Yes, Happy Birthday and Happy Thanksgiving Sheri and all. I have been down with the flu for the past couple of days...was in bed or on the couch most of the day yesterday. My body aches all over. I'm going to take some aspirin and bite the bullet so I can try and cook today...hubby is all thumbs in the kitchen. Have a good Thanksgiving! Gee, thank George Bush??? Hope you are feeling better. >I have been down >with the flu >Gee, thank George Bush??? I didn't vote for the a.shole!!!! I think there are going to be a lot more cases of the flu around this winter.....thanks, Georgie!! >From: luannep@aol.comatose (LuanneP) >Newsgroups: alt.adoption.issues [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I didn't vote for the a.shole!!!! I think there are going to be a lot more >cases of the flu around this winter.....thanks, Georgie!! What did George have to do with it? The FDA did not approve some of the batches that the pharmacutial <sp> made up so they had to be destroyed On the news the other day they said that in 2000 there were 4 major manufacturers of the flu vaccine. Thanks to GWB there was only ONE and they had problems LAST year with contamination.......same thing that happened THIS year. GWB had a LOT to do with it. If you dont believe me, ask Lu. GWB is hell bent on destroying America and doing a pretty damn good job of it. >What did George have to do with it? The FDA did not approve some of the >batches that the pharmacutial <sp> made up so they had to be destroyed >From: sjhamina@aol.com (Sjhamina) >Newsgroups: alt.adoption.issues [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>What did George have to do with it? The FDA did not approve some of the >>batches that the pharmacutial <sp> made up so they had to be destroyed This is the first I heard of JWB having anything to do wit flu vaccine. I don't do flu vaccine so I don't keep on top of why there isn't enough. Just going by what my doctor told me as to why there was shortage. As a matter of fact she seemed glad that the FDA was being so cautious about it. Also, so many people are pissed at GWB that they seem to be blaming him for everything so it is hard to know what is fact. This is a case where I would have to see proof because alot of stuff is urban legend and alot is based on people's personal opinions. >This is the first I heard of JWB having anything to do wit flu vaccine. You told me you don't follow politics very closely. Jules and I do and YES, it was GWB who was behind this. If he can't even protect his country from the flu virus, can you imagine how he is going to protect us from bio-terrorism??? Sad!! Eat vegetables, get lots of Vitamin C, wash your hands and don't go out too much!! Hopefully, that will prevent the spreading of the flu. Do your x-mas shopping online this year. >From: luannep@aol.comatose (LuanneP) >Newsgroups: alt.adoption.issues [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >much!! Hopefully, that will prevent the spreading of the flu. Do your x-mas >shopping online this year. I don't follow politics, yes that is true, but since the election I have been hearing so much blame placed on GWB it makes me wonder. >I don't follow politics, yes that is true, but since the election I have been >hearing so much blame placed on GWB it makes me wonder. Ahhh yes, but the BEST of GWB is yet to come....let's see where this country is at in 4 years!! There are a lot of things to blame on GWB. >many people are pissed at GWB that they seem to be blaming him for everything >so it is hard to know what is fact. > On the news the other day they said that in 2000 there were 4 major > manufacturers of the flu vaccine. Thanks to GWB there was only ONE and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > GWB is hell bent on destroying America and doing a pretty damn good job of > it. I wouldn't touch ANY vaccine the govt. says is necessary! Screw that!!! >>What did George have to do with it? The FDA did not approve some of the >>batches that the pharmacutial <sp> made up so they had to be destroyed >From: "Johnny" thisis@notreal.org >Newsgroups: alt.adoption.issues [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>>What did George have to do with it? The FDA did not approve some of the >>>batches that the pharmacutial <sp> made up so they had to be destroyed I still don't know how GWB has anything to do with batches of bad vaccine???? I don't believe in flu vaccine but if you take it and your body gets used to needing it it is better to always take it. I usually have to get a flu shot. I have asthma and diabetes and normally worked in the health care industry. One flu bug can kill a ton of old folks real quick and you dont need the staff spreading it around. >I wouldn't touch ANY vaccine the govt. says is necessary! Screw that!!! > On the news the other day they said that in 2000 there were 4 major > manufacturers of the flu vaccine. Thanks to GWB there was only ONE and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > GWB is hell bent on destroying America and doing a pretty damn good job of > it. The way I understand it is: One of the main reasons we always have a "shortage" is because we order only a certain amount. Isn't it odd how Canada has flu vaccine? That's because they buy it and stockpile it. They have plenty. Our current administration has been so hell bent on sending our tax dollars overseas, we're going to have people die this year of something ridiculous and preventable. My daughter lucked out because she was a preemie and fell into the age category. I could have gotten one because I have asthma but I figured give it to the elderly or babies, ya know? >>What did George have to do with it? The FDA did not approve some of the >>batches that the pharmacutial <sp> made up so they had to be destroyed >One of the main reasons we always have a "shortage" is because we order only >a certain amount. Isn't it odd how Canada has flu vaccine? Wendy; What happened was YES, we ordered a certain amount - from a certain company in Britain that had a bad track record for drug production. The problem was, half the batch this company produced was "spoiled" hence, the problem with our shortage. As for Canada, my understanding is that Americans who live right on the Canadian Border can simply walk across to any pharmacy and pay $20 for the flu vaccine. I even know of certain sites online that will sell it and ship it to you from overseas but I wouldn't put my trust in that. Wendy, I live on the border and if it was so easy to walk across to Canada I would walk there all the time. You can't just walk across the Bluewater Bridge. Haven't been able to walk or ride a bike over there in years. They built a second bridge next to the Bluewater Bridge and it didn't help with the traffic flow. The wait at the bridge takes forever now. Traffic is always backed up. You can't just get a flu shot over there now. At first they said they would let any US citizen get one now they have made specific changes on who can get it. >You can't just get a flu shot over >there now. At first they said they would let any US citizen get one now >they have made specific changes on who can get it. I saw a story on the news where Americans living in Vermont and NY were simply dialing up pharmacies to make "appointments" then crossing the next day to get their shots. I don't know if you're aware of it Lori, but in some areas of the US, crossing the border is a matter of just driving down a road to cross into Canada...it's not like it is in the Detroit area everyplace....kinda like the Mexican border. The simply do not have enough guards to watch over the whole Canadian border...it's much too long. Thats why all the good weed is coming in from Canada. Its so much easier to get it across the border. No fences and no Rio Grande. I was watching one program that showed all the good BC budd they were growing and how they used GPS and all kinds of tracking equipment to get it across. Some had timers so the signal popped up and someone would rush to get it before the border patrol got to it. They had a kayak, filled with weed......dude paddled his happy a.s right across to the US from Vancouver. Big grin on his face all the way! lol >crossing the border is a matter of just driving down a road to cross into >Canada I don't live in Detroit, I do live where you have to cross a bridge unless I move out of state, which I am not willing to do. I don't get the shot, never have. Still, the newspaper here posted from Canada that they have cracked down and don't just give them to anybody now. >I don't live in Detroit, I do live where you have to cross a bridge >unless I move out of state, You're not far from there though, right? Don't you live in the thumb area? Yeah, I'm in the thumb. With the twin bridge, it didn't make a difference for traffic flow. It is worse then ever to cross. Early morning, evening and from Fri. to Sun. it is not worth the trouble going their. Traffic can be backed up for miles. I could be over the flu if I got it before I could get across to Canada. If I'm not is taken it is somewhat quicker to get there through Detroit. >Yeah, I'm in the thumb. With the twin bridge, it didn't make a >difference for traffic flow. It is worse then ever to cross. I have family (part of birthdad's side too) in Goodells and Casco...you know where they are? Luanne, No Sh*t! I am about 5 minutes from Goodells. What road do they live on? >Luanne, >No Sh*t! I am about 5 minutes from Goodells. What road do they live on? Wrote ya privately on that one... Hugs, Luanne Port Huron has a bridge. I drove across Canada and came across through Port Huron. Another Michigander like us eh Lu? lolol >>I don't live in Detroit, I do live where you have to cross a bridge >>unless I move out of state, >Port Huron has a bridge. I drove across Canada and came across through Port >Huron. >Another Michigander like us eh Lu? lolol I haven't been to Canada in YEARS!! Hubby is not as adventurous as I am. I even like going to downtown Detroit when I am in MI, but the rest of my family/friends are too "chicken" to go with me. Last time, I took the bus downtown and had to switch buses to go to the Detroit Public Library. I was the only white person on the bus...I really stood out!! LOL Since I generally spend most of my time in "fight and flight" response, I'm not too afraid to go anyplace, even alone. Last time I was in Detroit I went to the Joe to watch the Redwings (sigh) play. No NHL this year so I won't be going this year. I love Gibraltar's tho but have not been their this year either. Jules, If ya haven't been across the Bluewater Bridge in years you are in for a real treat, NOT. >What did George have to do with it? The FDA did not approve some of the >batches that the pharmacutial <sp> made up so they had to be destroyed Bush and FDA cohorts went with a company that had a BAD track record for pharmaceutical production. Many elderly and others will get sick and possibly die because of this minor "mishap" yet people in Canada and other countries have plenty of flu shots to go around, no problem. Bush had everything to do with it. >Bush and FDA cohorts went with a company that had a BAD track record for >pharmaceutical production. I forgot to add that the company that Bush and FDA went with that had the bad "track record" is based over in England. Seems that half the flu vaccine batch 'went bad' and had to be thrown away. I don't care so much for myself, but for the elderly and sick who NEED the flu vaccine, I do feel for. My in-laws who are both in their mid-70's need this vaccine because they have not been in the best of health in the past couple of years. Some folks don't realize that the elderly can actually die from the flu. People like me, we just complain, gripe, and suffer with it until it is gone. Not only that, there are different strains of it, so you can get it more than once. >From: luannep@aol.comatose (LuanneP) >Newsgroups: alt.adoption.issues [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >more >than once. I agree about the elderly. My parents both got shots. I never get them so it didn't matter to me. My friend is all bent out of shape over it. A healthy 43 yr old guy is pissed because of no flu shot. Unbelieveable. It may not matter to you now but what about 20-30 years from now? The flu kills many people each year, more than smoking deaths if you can believe that, more than car crashes ect. >I agree about the elderly. My parents both got shots. I never get them so >it >didn't matter to me. My concern is what they put in the vaccines besides what is suppose to be in them. Nobody knows the long-term effects of these shots, and with the way the pharmaceutical companies are killing and hurting people... > It may not matter to you now but what about 20-30 years from now? > The flu kills many people each year, more than smoking deaths if you can [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>it >>didn't matter to me. >My concern is what they put in the vaccines besides what is suppose to be in >them. Nobody knows the long-term effects of these shots, and with the way >the pharmaceutical companies are killing and hurting people... So you believe in NO vaccines period? I've heard that a lot of people don't get their children immunized like they used to and some areas in the world have been seeing a comeback of smallpox and German Measles....German Measles doesn't necessarily kill a person but if you get around a pregnant woman and she gets her, the fetus most likely ends up being born with some sort of deformity from it. I think we take a chance with anything we do but to go without important immunizations can be somewhat foolish. Now me, I never got a flu shot until last year for the first time. I also got a tetanus shot though, which was a good thing being that I stepped on a nail this summer and got cut on a rusty barbed-wire fence when I was out picking berries...Thank God for that. > >My concern is what they put in the vaccines besides what is suppose to be > >in [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > rusty > barbed-wire fence when I was out picking berries...Thank God for that. This thread was originally about flu shots and not vaccines in general. I think there are people who need the flu vaccines, because of their professions, or because of some kind of medical need, but not everybody needs a damn flu shot. Scaring people into paying for something they don't really need is a huge profit maker for the companies who produce them. As for the vaccines in general that are required for kids, there is speculation now that the huge increase in autism may be due to the preservatives being used in the vaccines. I'm sure everyone remembers thalidomide babies... I am allergic to tetanus shots, and haven't had one since I was about 8 years old. >Scaring people into paying for something they don't >really need is a huge profit maker for the companies who produce them That's true but I know here in FL, when the flu vaccine IS available, seniors can get them free at the local supermarkets! I agree with you though, only those who fall into the high-risk categories should get them, especially seniors or those who have breathing disorders/problems. For you and me and the rest of the general public, no. > I >am allergic to tetanus shots, and haven't had one since I was about 8 years >old. I myself am allergic to a lot of antibiotics, including erythromycin, macrodantin and sulfa drugs....I look like I have the measles if I take 'em and get pretty darn sick on top of it. I had German Measles when I was less than a year old......my mom was pregnant with my sister. My sister had to have open heart surgery in 1966 right after she was born. She is deaf in one ear (cant hear out of the other either lol) She just had her thyroid removed a couple years ago. She had a speech problem and wore pretty thick glasses when she was a kid. They say that smallpox may be what wipes out our planet. I cant remember when they stopped vaccinating for smallpox but I can tell you this, the US doesnt have enough of that vaccine either. >they used to and some areas in the world >been seeing a comeback of smallpox and German Measles....German Measles >doesn't >necessarily kill a person but if you get around a pregnant woman and she gets >her, the fetus most likely ends up being born with some sort of deformity > My concern is what they put in the vaccines besides what is suppose to be > in them. Nobody knows the long-term effects of these shots, and with the > way the pharmaceutical companies are killing and hurting people... Maybe they'll slip some Viagra into it. LOL >> It may not matter to you now but what about 20-30 years from now? >> The flu kills many people each year, more than smoking deaths if you can [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>>it >>>didn't matter to me. Would you get in line if they put Viagra in it?? LOLOLOL >Maybe they'll slip some Viagra into it. LOL We had 120 patients and shipped out 12 in body bags within a few weeks. The elderly population, especially in nursing homes, can't handle it. I was watching the news (I get the Nashville station) Vanderbilt's childrens hospital didn't have enough vaccine to immunize their critically ill children let alone the staff that were taking care of them that could spread it. One little kid had a heart transplant, no flu vaccine.......one flu bug and that child is a goner. >Some folks don't realize that the elderly can actually die from the >flu. >Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving Everyone >Path: lobby!ngtf-m01.news.aol.com!audrey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >have plenty of flu shots to go around, no problem. Bush had everything to do >with it. All around the world we are known as DUM Americans. hum? you think Georgie has anything to do with that? LOL LOL Now that he is in office, it has left our country open like a sore wound. This country has for 4 more years of poverty, terror, sky rocketing gas prices no Jobs AND Just a sh.t more load of bad things, this Georgie is also known to be one of the worst president of the United States. Georgie New that if there was a War, it was highly unlikely that a new president would have been elected in office, reason being, in War time, American are not known for voting a new guy in office at War Time. I am agaisnt us being in Irag, we will be there another maybe 10 to 20 year. Just think how many more vactions Georgie will be going on, he has to get alot more of them in, he only has 4 more years. Thank God he will be out of office! Another thing Bush takes his Christianity into a Muslims society, and you wonder why these people hate us? Him and Papa have ties to Sadi's Dont you think son would make sure his papa contiunes to make a sh.t load of money? Its the chiristains and the rich that voted geroge into office. I really can't wait to see georgie step into a big pile a sh.t, because sooner or later it's going to happen. Barb >All around the world we are known as DUM Americans. hum? you think Georgie >has >anything to do with that? LOL LOL The day after our election, the headlines for the London Mirror read something like "How could 54 million People Be So Stupid???" Like I said, the next four years will be HELL to pay. Thank God he can't run again!! >How could 54 million People Be So Stupid???" Thank God I was one of the smart ones......still, I have to deal with it for 4 more years. My only hope is that he is impeached. >I am agaisnt us being in Irag, we will be there another maybe 10 to 20 year. Of COURSE we'll be there....Georgie just went in there for the damn OIL!!! I say let Georgie's and Jeb's sons and daughters go fight in Iraq!! They are all of age, let George see first hand what it is like to lose a child in a war. Maybe he'd stop and think then!! I was a woman who went into the military - let Georgie's daughters join and see what it is like. They wouldn't last one day in boot camp, believe me!!! I didn't vote for the sonofbitch either. This is the first year I havent gotten a flu shot........watch me get it. I will be so pissed. I hope GWB catches it and has it running out both ends with a 104 fever and chills. Keep your fingers crossed. >I didn't vote for the a.shole!!!! I think there are going to be a lot more >cases of the flu around this winter.....thanks, Georgie! >I didn't vote for the sonofbitch either. >This is the first year I havent gotten a flu shot........watch me get it. I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>I didn't vote for the a.shole!!!! I think there are going to be a lot more >>cases of the flu around this winter.....thanks, Georgie! Hey Jules, He will just go on more Vacations, he dont give a sh.t about the american people. He'll be basking in the sun and having a fun. While people in America, go without work, food and a ray of other things. Barb >Hey Jules, >He will just go on more Vacations, he dont >give a sh.t about the american people. That's what he did right after 9-11 - He WENT on VACATION!!! >He will just go on more Vacations He is in Texas now! >>He will just go on more Vacations > >He is in Texas now! He's an a.shole anywhere he goes! >>>He will just go on more Vacations >> >>He is in Texas now! > > He's an a.shole anywhere he goes! There ya have it. In a nutshell. Quick and to the point!! LOL |
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