Heather Lindorff gets 6 years
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LilMtnCbn - 02 Apr 2004 15:20 GMT http://www.nj.com/news/gloucester/index.ssf?/base/news-1/1080724556101450.xml
Heather Lindorff gets 6 years
Wednesday, March 31, 2004
By Laura Tull ltull@sjnewsco.com
WOODBURY -- Over her pleas urging the court not to break up her family, Heather Lindorff was sentenced to six years in state prison Tuesday for the abuse and neglect of her deceased 5-year-old adopted Russian son.
The 39-year-old adoptive mother of five tearfully told the court, "my worst fear is being taken away from them. I think I need them more than they need me."
Soft sobs were heard from the audience where the five other children, also adopted from Russia by Heather Lindorff and her husband James, sat in a row of red faces, hugging each other and wiping away tears.
On December 22, a jury convicted Heather Lindorff, of Franklin Township, of second degree endangering the welfare of a child in the December 14, 2001 death of her 5-year-old adopted son, Jacob. She was acquitted of aggravated manslaughter and aggravated assault charges.
Her husband, James Lindorff, 54, was sentenced to four years of probation and 400 hours of community service over four years for fourth degree child abuse.
The jury deliberated for less than three days.
The Lindorffs, once portrayed as a model for international adoptions, both expressed remorse over the death of their son.
"Your honor, don't break up this family," James Lindorff implored the judge. "This isn't the house of horrors that was portrayed by the Prosecutor's Office.
"I love all my children deeply and they love me. I feel that I've been a good father. I deeply regret what happened to Jacob. There's nothing I can do to change that," said James Lindorff.
Prior to sentencing, Superior Court Judge Julio Mendez denied defense motions seeking a new trial and a judgment of acquittal for both the Lindorffs. Defense attorneys argued that the judge improperly dismissed a lesser count of child abuse against Heather Lindorff during the trial and that the state had withheld discovery materials.
Heather Lindorff faced a maximum sentence of up to 10 years in state prison.
As the sentence was announced, James Lindorff put his arms around his wife and held her close, his eyes closed. The couple seemed oblivious as the proceedings continued around them.
The judge ordered Heather Lindorff to report to the Gloucester County Women's Facility in Clarksboro on April 23 at 6 p.m. to begin her sentence. He agreed to consider a defense request for bail pending her appeal.
Afterwards, Heather Lindorff went to her children, kneeling down to offer hugs and comfort as they crowded around her crying, their faces flushed with emotion.
Assistant Prosecutor Mary Pyffer called the sentence "very fair and appropriate." She added, "We have a little boy that came into our country, seemingly healthy, and six weeks later he was dead."
Prosecutors argued that the child died as a result of blunt force trauma to the head, an injury consistent with child abuse. Jacob was also found to have sustained second-degree burns on his feet, hemorrhaging in one eye, bruises over his body. The state also claimed he suffered what appeared to be seizures.
Heather Lindorff was the primary caregiver for the couple's six adopted children. Both burn injuries occurred under her sole care. She testified that they were "accidental." However, "the jury found otherwise," said Pyffer.
Defendants are typically eligible for parole after serving a third of their sentence -- that's two years in Heather Lindorff's case, said Pyffer.
With the exception of 20-year-old Jessica, the four Lindorff children ranging in age from 8 to 13 remain in the custody of their maternal adoptive grandmother.
------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown
Elizabeth Case - 02 Apr 2004 17:53 GMT Thanks for posting this. I've been keeping an eye on the Matthey trial, and had wondered what sentance Lindorff received.
Elizabeth Case
Dian - 03 Apr 2004 02:01 GMT > http://www.nj.com/news/gloucester/index.ssf?/base/news-1/1080724556101450.xml > [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > in age from 8 to 13 remain in the custody of their maternal adoptive > grandmother. Russian children are obviously not worth much as human beings in the eyes of Americans.
Di
> ------------------------- > A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will > be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" > -----Unknown Robibnikoff - 03 Apr 2004 04:48 GMT In article <9a095db9.0404021701.10dc4969@posting.google.com>, Dian says...snip
>Russian children are obviously not worth much as human beings in the >eyes of Americans. Oh, give me a f.cking break. I'll be sure to tell this to my coworker who adopted a girl from Russian who he treats like gold. He and his wife love this girl more than life itself.
Your generalizations about Americans are terrible and uncalled for. Contrary to what you believe, we're not all horrible people. Get over it and, more importantly, get over yourself.
You're a very angry, bitter person. I personally think you need therapy - the sooner, the better.
Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557
Dian - 04 Apr 2004 02:16 GMT > In article <9a095db9.0404021701.10dc4969@posting.google.com>, Dian says...snip > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > You're a very angry, bitter person. I personally think you need therapy - the > sooner, the better. It's not me who needs therapy. Tell me why you think a sentence of 6 years metered out by the US legal system, with only 2 spent in the actual clink, is sufficient punishment for killing a child when most other killers get considerably greater sentences? Is it because the child was Russian or the killer was an adopter, or was the judge just having a good day? And how does that equate to the recent case of a women who swindled a few PAP's out of a few grand being at risk of getting ten years for fraud? Is the loss of a few dollars worth more than the loss of a child's life, in your legal system's eyes?
Di
> Robyn > Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster > #1557 Robin Harritt - 04 Apr 2004 09:02 GMT > <9a095db9.0404021701.10dc4969@posting.google.com>, Dian says...snip > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Di The only case I've heard of recently where "a women who swindled a few PAP's out of a few grand being at risk of getting ten years for fraud" is here in Britain not in the USA, and part of that possible sentence is for 'adoption crime' as well for fraud.
Robin
Robibnikoff - 04 Apr 2004 13:55 GMT >> In article <9a095db9.0404021701.10dc4969@posting.google.com>, Dian says...snip >> > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >getting ten years for fraud? Is the loss of a few dollars worth more >than the loss of a child's life, in your legal system's eyes? How quickly you change your tune in attempt to cover up your obvious hatred of Americans in general.
So now, it's just the legal system you were referring to? Riiiiiiight.
Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557
LilMtnCbn - 03 Apr 2004 05:20 GMT >Subject: Re: Heather Lindorff gets 6 years >From: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) >Date: 4/2/04 6:01 PM Mountain Standard Time >Message-id: <9a095db9.0404021701.10dc4969@posting.google.com>
>Russian children are obviously not worth much as human beings in the >eyes of Americans. > >Di Oh please. There are plenty of Aussies who don't think they're own bio children are worth much. But that's ok, right? As long as the REAL parents are beating their own sprogs to death.
------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown
Dian - 04 Apr 2004 12:46 GMT > >Subject: Re: Heather Lindorff gets 6 years > >From: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > children are worth much. But that's ok, right? As long as the REAL parents > are beating their own sprogs to death. Oh I see where you're coming from. You're protecting adopter's equal right to kill their achildren, whereas I was referring to the US judicial system that gave them a slap on the wrist for doing so.
> ------------------------- > A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will > be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" > -----Unknown Robibnikoff - 04 Apr 2004 13:53 GMT >> >Subject: Re: Heather Lindorff gets 6 years >> >From: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >right to kill their achildren, whereas I was referring to the US >judicial system that gave them a slap on the wrist for doing so. Is that what you were doing? I thought you were just doing your usual slam dance against all Americans in general.
Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557
LilMtnCbn - 04 Apr 2004 14:48 GMT >Subject: Re: Heather Lindorff gets 6 years >From: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.com [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >Robyn That's how I read it as well.
------------------------- A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" -----Unknown
Rhiannon - 04 Apr 2004 20:30 GMT > >Subject: Re: Heather Lindorff gets 6 years > >From: Robibnikoff nospam@newsranger.com [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > That's how I read it as well. Ditto. One would be hard put to interpret it any other way.
Rh.
> ------------------------- > A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will > be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!" > -----Unknown Kathy - 04 Apr 2004 17:37 GMT >Subject: Re: Heather Lindorff gets 6 years >From: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >Oh I see where you're coming from. No, you don't see where Marla is coming from.
>You're protecting adopter's equal >right to kill their achildren, whereas I was referring to the US >judicial system that gave them a slap on the wrist for doing so. You're delusional.
Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in baby trafficking". ~~121603 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html
AdoptaDad - 03 Apr 2004 11:43 GMT >Subject: Re: Heather Lindorff gets 6 years >From: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) >Date: 4/2/04 8:01 PM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <9a095db9.0404021701.10dc4969@posting.google.com> < snip >
>Russian children are obviously not worth much as human >beings in the eyes of Americans. > >Di This from the same woman who objected to the "Mother Kills Child" news articles recently posted by Marla. I guess no such generalizations are to be taken from those stories.
Tell me, Diane, do you make these ridiculous assertions because you are...
[ ] stoopid [ } lonely and need some attention [ } just wanna piss certain people off
You can check more than one, if applicable.
Dad
Dian - 04 Apr 2004 10:04 GMT > >Subject: Re: Heather Lindorff gets 6 years > >From: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > This from the same woman who objected to the "Mother Kills Child" news > articles recently posted by Marla. WHO objected to them? not I. So stop lying.
I guess no such generalizations are to be
> taken from those stories. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Dad Tell me, Dad, do you believe adopters who abuse Russian children to death should:
[ ] get a 6 year sentence spending only 2 years actually in jail? [ ] get the same sentence as those who defraud Pap's out of money? [ ] get a longer sentence than those who defraud Pap's out of money? [ ] get the same sentence as those who abuse NON-Russian kids to death?
You can tick more than one if applicable.
Di
Rupa Bose - 04 Apr 2004 20:24 GMT patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) wrote
> Tell me, Dad, do you believe adopters who abuse Russian children to death > should: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Di There's recently been a case where a woman who killed two of her sons, and left the 2-yr-old maimed, was acquitted. Mental illness.
Rupa
AdoptaDad - 04 Apr 2004 21:24 GMT >Subject: Re: Heather Lindorff gets 6 years >From: rkbose@pacific.net.sg (Rupa Bose) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >of her sons, and left the 2-yr-old maimed, was acquitted. >Mental illness. She MUST have been an adopter.
There was a recent news story about a mother in Texas who stoned two of her children to death, leaving another in crtitical condition. She had some kind of religious delusion. No doubt, another adopter.
I don't know what point Di is trying to make here. Is she claiming that adoptive parents somehow abuse their children more than biological parents? Is she saying that adoptive parents receive lighter sentences for child abuse than biological parents?
Dad
Ron Morgan - 04 Apr 2004 21:29 GMT > >Subject: Re: Heather Lindorff gets 6 years > >From: rkbose@pacific.net.sg (Rupa Bose) [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > children to death, leaving another in crtitical condition. She had some kind > of religious delusion. No doubt, another adopter. Sh was acquitted by reason of insanity, and will probably sit in a maximum security mental facility for a long stretch.
Ron
> I don't know what point Di is trying to make here. Is she claiming that > adoptive parents somehow abuse their children more than biological parents? Is > she saying that adoptive parents receive lighter sentences for child abuse than > biological parents? > > Dad Rupa Bose - 05 Apr 2004 05:34 GMT "Ron Morgan" <rhyzome1@earthlink.net> wrote
> > There was a recent news story about a mother in Texas who stoned two of > her [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ron One would hope.
What became of the woman who drowned her 5 young sons? Did she go into a mental hospital as well?
Rupa
Jennie Fuller - 05 Apr 2004 16:48 GMT Rupa, the woman Andrea Yates is in prison for life. I do not think there is a chance for parole for her. jmf
Jennie Fuller - 06 Apr 2004 17:39 GMT Rupa, I made a mistake. The woman Andrea Yates who killed all of her children (five of them I believe) by drowning, received 40 years in prison. I do not know if there is a chance for parole. Although she was diagnosed with post partum depression, the jury did not find her legally insane.
jmf
Rupa Bose - 07 Apr 2004 04:02 GMT > Rupa, > I made a mistake. The woman Andrea Yates who killed all of her children [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > jmf Thanks! I couldn't recall what happened in that case.
Rupa
Ron Morgan - 09 Apr 2004 05:08 GMT > > Rupa, > > I made a mistake. The woman Andrea Yates who killed all of her children [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rupa The judge and jury in the Yates case was disinclined to believe that she fit the criteria of insanity (didn't realize the consequences of her actions) since she tried to blame the killings on a fictional black male.
Ron
Marley Greiner - 09 Apr 2004 05:33 GMT > > jenniefuller@webtv.net (Jennie Fuller) wrote in message > news:<24822-4072DD3A-441@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net>... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Ron Hmm, Ron. That's not Andrea Yates, but the Smith woman down south. However, the jury was still disinclined to believe she fit the legal definition of insanity, though she was certainly medically insane--unless you're one of those people who don't' believe in insanity.
Marley
Ron Morgan - 09 Apr 2004 07:20 GMT > > > jenniefuller@webtv.net (Jennie Fuller) wrote in message > > news:<24822-4072DD3A-441@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net>... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Hmm, Ron. That's not Andrea Yates, but the Smith woman down south. Oops, you're right. Can't keep these bio-mom killers straight...
> However, the jury was still disinclined to believe she fit the legal > definition of insanity, though she was certainly medically insane--unless > you're one of those people who don't' believe in insanity. I believe in insanity, and should I forget that I believe in insanity the Morrisseys regular posts to alt.adoption would snap me out of my torpor.
Ron
> Marley J. - 09 Apr 2004 19:01 GMT >> > jenniefuller@webtv.net (Jennie Fuller) wrote in message >> news:<24822-4072DD3A-441@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net>... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Marley When it's the rule, rather than the exception? How could we not believe in insanity?
J. Fairly insane himself of late.
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Kathy - 05 Apr 2004 00:13 GMT >Subject: Re: Heather Lindorff gets 6 years >From: adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad) [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > I don't know what point Di is trying to make here. Is she claiming that >adoptive parents somehow abuse their children more than biological parents? Heads, tails, this is what I think Di might be eluding to. She thinks that it is unfair that we give lighter sentences to murdering adoptive parents than those biological mothers that will put their children in harm's way by selling their children. Of course, the fuel behind her fire is her hatred of adoptive parents at large, and her own unresolved conflicts with her son's relinquishment.
In other words, it is somehow America's fault that we don't understand poor Di's mental anguish at adopters at large?
Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in baby trafficking". ~~121603 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html
Dian - 05 Apr 2004 10:49 GMT > >Subject: Re: Heather Lindorff gets 6 years > >From: adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad) [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > those biological mothers that will put their children in harm's way by selling > their children. Which mothers would they be, Kathy? Russian mothers? Chinese mothers? Exactly which ones you are alluding to?
Di
Of course, the fuel behind her fire is her hatred of adoptive
> parents at large, and her own unresolved conflicts with her son's > relinquishment. You mean as opposed to your total indifference to the death of adoptees? Afterall, there but for the grace of God that dead child might have been your own. Your utter indifference to the fate of so many adopted children speaks volumes.
> In other words, it is somehow America's fault that we don't understand poor > Di's mental anguish at adopters at large?
> Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in > baby trafficking". ~~121603 > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html Kathy - 06 Apr 2004 16:09 GMT >Subject: Re: Heather Lindorff gets 6 years >From: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] >been your own. Your utter indifference to the fate of so many adopted >children speaks volumes. You are very ill.
Diane Welfare, "she describes the US market as a "$US1.4 billion business in baby trafficking". ~~121603 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/12/15/1071336884771.html
Palms2pines - 05 Apr 2004 21:20 GMT **top post**
I can only surmise that Di thinks in the US people who beat adoptees from Russia to death get some sort of preferential treatment by state criminal courts over people who beat other children to death.
More lunacy.
Di posts:
>> Tell me, Dad, do you believe adopters who abuse Russian children to death >> should: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> Di P2P
Ron Morgan - 04 Apr 2004 21:35 GMT > > >Subject: Re: Heather Lindorff gets 6 years > > >From: patrice068@optusnet.com.au (Dian) [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > You can tick more than one if applicable. We only have uniform sentencing guidlines for federal crimes, most of them drug related. BTW, these uniform sentences are under attack from a variety of groups, including judges. There is nothing in statute that treats the death of a Russian child as less than any other. If you have a beef with the sentence, then you should work to unseat the judge in the case, whose interpretation of law determined the sentence, not some flaw in the law.
Ron
> Di J. - 05 Apr 2004 17:16 GMT >> adoptadad@aol.com (AdoptaDad) wrote in message >news:<20040403054330.18872.00000515@mb-m20.aol.com>... [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > >Ron We either give judges the discretion necessary to apply the laws with some semblance of justice or we don't. So long as we give them discretion, there will be sentences with which we disagree and apparent contradictions when we attempt to compare sentences for different crimes.
There are any number of other possible reasons for this disparity, including the variation in sentences provided for in each state's laws, whether the state has some form of uniform sentencing, etc. Minnesota, for example, has sentencing guidelines, weighted to increase sentences based on prior history, vulnerability of victim, etc. Judges can depart upward or downward but must make specific findings of fact justifying the departure and either side can appreal a departure.
Frankly, the sentence for a particular crime often depends upon the mood at the legislature when the law was passed or its response to a particularly moving event. Our governor has responded to a recent kidnap and probable murder by proposing renewing the death sentence. Others have responded by coming out in favor of indeterminate sentencing for sex crimes, e.g., 10 to life, in order to keep sex offenders under the state's jurisdiction for life, without the need for separate civil commitment hearings when the sentence expires, as is presently the case.
Too, there are only so many possible sentences available for any type of crime (assault, murder, theft, for example). You have to have some sense of proportion within each category, unless you are willing to give the same sentence for stealing a loaf of bread and an entire pension fund, or manslaughter and premeditated murder.
Is it possible that there is some form of unconscious discrimination in sentencing when the murdered child is adopted, rather than biological? Possibly. We know racial biases are reflected in sentencing to some extent. I wouldn't be surprised to find similar biases based on sex or national origin.* I won't accept it as fact on the basis of a few instances, however.
J.
* Come to think of it, I think the sex bias has been demonstrated in the application of the death penalty, at least.
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Palms2pines - 05 Apr 2004 21:35 GMT Ron writes to Di:
<snip>
>There is nothing in statute that treats the >death of a Russian child as less than any other. > <snip>
No, no, no, Ron. You have missed the point entirely! Di believes adoptive parents get preferential treatment in the courts, silly. In other words, adoptive parents can do crime but rarely do time. It's all part of the Grand Conspiracy. You need to start reading your memos better.
P2P
Steve White - 03 Apr 2004 06:34 GMT > WOODBURY -- Over her pleas urging the court not to break up her > family, Heather Lindorff was sentenced to six years in state prison > Tuesday for the abuse and neglect of her deceased 5-year-old adopted > Russian son. Add a zero to the 6 years; that'd be enough.
steve
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