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The real losers are the children

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LilMtnCbn - 26 Nov 2004 17:22 GMT
http://www.houstonvoice.com/2004/11-26/view/columns/children.cfm



The real losers are the children
It’s easy for ‘good Christians’ to stand tall on ‘saving marriage’
when they’re perched on a pile of children

Friday, November 26, 2004
Michael Alvear

IT’S BEEN A couple of weeks since we got hammered like nails at a hardware
store convention. No, not by the presidential election; by the 11 states who
voted to amend their constitutions to prevent same sex marriage.

In 8 of those states, the amendments also forbid other forms of legal
recognition for same-sex coupling, such as civil unions or domestic
partnerships.

Most of us are suffering from that odd combination of depression and helpless
fury that comes with persecution. All 11 amendments passed by whopping margins.

BUT AS BAD as we may feel, there’s one group we should feel even sorrier for:
children. Millions of them. The ones caught between the hunters and the hunted.

Take the 568,000 orphaned kids languishing in institutions. There are plenty of
gay and lesbian families willing to adopt them, but statutory bans and local
judiciaries who refuse to grant gay adoption won’t let them.

According to the Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute’s latest national
survey, only 40 percent of public and private adoption agencies have placed
children with gay adoptive parents. The same survey showed that a majority of
childless gay men and women would like to become parents.

Would children in foster care be better off living in loving gay homes or
institutions that warehouse and shuffle them from one home to another until
they turn 18 and “age out” of the system?

Ask the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Child Welfare League of America,
the North American Council on Adoptable Children, the American Psychiatric
Association, the American Psychological Association and the National
Association of Social Workers. They all voted for gay and lesbian homes.

What’s the best way of making that happen? Giving gay couples automatic
adoption rights. And the most effective way to do that? Allow them to marry.
The very thing the proposed amendments are intended to prevent.

Gay marriage wouldn’t just improve the lives of orphans; it would also
improve the lives of children who have parents that happen to be gay. And that
figure depending, on who you believe, is somewhere between 250,000 and three
million.

LET’S SAY TWO women with average incomes have a child together named Billy.
Because the women aren’t allowed to marry, Billy doesn’t get the financial
and emotional safety nets other kids get.

For example, if Billy has a serious accident while his biological mother is
away, the hospital can deny him the right to see his second parent, effectively
torturing the child at the time of his greatest need.

If Billy comes home to recuperate, the boss isn’t legally obligated to
provide sick leave to Billy’s second parent, effectively preventing a child
from being soothed by his nurturing parent.

If Billy’s biological mother dies, the surviving parent has no legal rights
to Billy, effectively allowing the state to rip him from the arms of a loving
mother and throw him into the foster care system.

If Billy’s parents separate, the departing parent is under no legal
obligation to provide alimony or child support, effectively depriving Billy of
his rightful support network.

From his parents’ inability to get joint health, home and auto insurance
policies to his own inability to access his second parent’s Social Security
survival benefits, Billy suffers.

Allowing same-sex marriage would eliminate the unfair penalties children have
to bear. But that doesn’t matter. There are scores to settle.

Sorry, Billy, but there are too many preachers gunning for your parents. You
don’t have a prayer in their churches. If it comes down to helping children
like you or sticking it to the gays, you don’t stand a chance.

That’s why these amendments should be called the Leave Some Children Behind
Act. Lost in the argument between “preserving the sanctity of marriage” and
“writing bigotry into the constitution” was the fate of millions of
children who’ll be damaged if these amendments pass.

America is used to seeing “good Christians” on TV looming large on the
issue of “saving marriage.” I just wish the cameras would pan down to show
that anyone can look tall when they’re standing on a pile of children.

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A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown
zach - 28 Nov 2004 08:08 GMT
> http://www.houstonvoice.com/2004/11-26/view/columns/children.cfm
>
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> store convention. No, not by the presidential election; by the 11 states who
> voted to amend their constitutions to prevent same sex marriage.

People do not have a "right to a child" be they gay or straight.
LilMtnCbn - 28 Nov 2004 14:23 GMT
>Subject: Re: The real losers are the children
>From: victorthecleaner@gmail.com  (zach)
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>
>People do not have a "right to a child" be they gay or straight.

Nope.  But it would be nice if all children had a right to a safe and loving
family.

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A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown
J. - 29 Nov 2004 05:01 GMT
Victorthecleaner wrote:

>> http://www.houstonvoice.com/2004/11-26/view/columns/children.cfm
>>
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>
>People do not have a "right to a child" be they gay or straight.

Are you offering a legal opinion or a personal opinion?  Legally, all men and
women in the U.S. have a right to procreate, no matter how badly they abuse
that right.  They also have a right to rear the children they create, absent
proof of their inability or refusal to do so within certain limits.  It matters
not what their sexual orientation may be, if they fathered or gave birth to the
children and took responsibility for them.

J.

Reply to jmhjmd at aol.
zach - 30 Nov 2004 06:43 GMT
> Victorthecleaner wrote:
>
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> not what their sexual orientation may be, if they fathered or gave birth to the
> children and took responsibility for them.

I wasn't talking about "procreating" but thinking they deserve a
child, or have a right to one. This goes for single people, too, gay
or straight. If a couple is infertile, for instance, there is no
automatic "right to a child," meaning no one is under any obligation
to provide them a child to raise. Just because someone stamps their
feet like a little kid and demands something, does not mean they
deserve it.
J. - 30 Nov 2004 14:19 GMT
>> Victorthecleaner wrote:
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>feet like a little kid and demands something, does not mean they
>deserve it.

I can agree with that.  Unfortunately, stamping one's feet does seem to produce
results (e.g., adoption tax credits, putative fathers laws).

J.

Reply to jmhjmd at aol.
Mike Dobony - 29 Nov 2004 23:33 GMT
> http://www.houstonvoice.com/2004/11-26/view/columns/children.cfm
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> BUT AS BAD as we may feel, there's one group we should feel even sorrier
for:
> children. Millions of them. The ones caught between the hunters and the hunted.
>
> Take the 568,000 orphaned kids languishing in institutions. There are plenty of
> gay and lesbian families willing to adopt them, but statutory bans and local
> judiciaries who refuse to grant gay adoption won't let them.

But not to love them but to recruit them into their death-style.  They want
the appearance of normality, but their styel of living destroys children.
It also ignores the fact that there is still a 5 year wait to adopt from
public adoption sources.  The problem is not a lack of willing families, but
of restrictive agency rules.

Mike D.
Robibnikoff - 30 Nov 2004 00:49 GMT
>> http://www.houstonvoice.com/2004/11-26/view/columns/children.cfm
>>
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> but
> of restrictive agency rules.

Try pulling your head out of your a.s before you post.
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Ron Morgan - 30 Nov 2004 03:16 GMT
>  
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>But not to love them but to recruit them into their death-style.  

What a dunce.

>They want
>the appearance of normality, but their styel of living destroys children.

Yeah, sure. The candidate whose campaign I managed is gay and was joined
on the trail by his straight daughter, who was conceived by his sperm
donation and raised by lesbian parents, and his granddaugher, whose name
is appropriately Justice. They all seem pretty happy, no one was
destroyed. One of the moms campaigned too. I live in a community in
which gay parents, either through conception or adoption, are a norm. I
find your views ideocentric and not borne out by experience.

>It also ignores the fact that there is still a 5 year wait to adopt from
>public adoption sources.  The problem is not a lack of willing families, but
>of restrictive agency rules.

If you were willing to adopt transracially and forego infant adoption,
you could have a child in a matter of months, not years.

Ron
LilMtnCbn - 30 Nov 2004 04:28 GMT
From: Mike Dobony (sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net)
Subject: Re: The real losers are the children

> http://www.houstonvoice.com/2004/11-26/view/columns/children.cfm
>
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> gay and lesbian families willing to adopt them, but statutory bans and local
> judiciaries who refuse to grant gay adoption won't let them.

>>But not to love them but to recruit them into their death-style.

Oh bullshit.

>> They want
the appearance of normality, but their styel of living destroys children.

How so?  More than being shuffled around in foster care?

>>It also ignores the fact that there is still a 5 year wait to adopt from
public adoption sources.  

That's probably true if you're looking for that perfect healthy white blank
slate, which is a hot commodity.

>>The problem is not a lack of willing families, but
of restrictive agency rules.

Uh huh.  Go ask that "local" couple who adopted 13 black and hispanic kids how
long it took.  Dumbass.

I think that you're just worried that if gay adoption passed in those states,
some queer would get that coveted healthy white infant that you're waiting in
line for.  You don't actually care about the kids who are already here and need
families.

Mike D.

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A good friend will come and bail you out of jail . . . but, a true friend will
be sitting next to you saying, "Damn . . . that was fun!"
-----Unknown
 
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