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Abandoned at birth,  no doubt.

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J. - 27 Sep 2005 00:23 GMT
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Updated: 12:52 PM EDT

27,000-Year-Old Infants' Remains Found in Austria

VIENNA, Austria (Sept. 26) - Archaeologists have uncovered the remains
of two newborns dating back 27,000 years while excavating a hillside in
northern Austria, the scientist in charge of the project said Monday.

The find made last week near the Danube River city of Krems is
important because the newborns were buried beneath mammoth bones and
with a string of 31 beads -- suggesting that the internment involved
some sort of ritual, said Christine Neugebauer-Maresch, the project's
leader at the Austrian Academy of Sciences.

"They could be twins," she said. "They have the same (length) limbs and
were buried together."

The burial -- one of the oldest in the region -- is also significant in
that the children were not simply disposed of after their deaths,
Neugebauer-Maresch said. The burial suggests "they were members of
society," she said.

Archaeologists are combing the area to see if the infants' mother is
nearby, as giving birth to twins in that era would have been extremely
difficult and potentially fatal.

09-26-05 12:52 EDT
Steve  White - 28 Sep 2005 03:58 GMT
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> nearby, as giving birth to twins in that era would have been
> extremely difficult and potentially fatal.

Ask the recepshunist.

steve
rkbose@pacific.net.sg - 28 Sep 2005 06:33 GMT
I wonder if the archaeologists have considered the possibility that
they were sacrificed.

I'm curious as to how many traditional societies - hunter-gatherer or
agrarian - actually considered newborns as members of society. I would
guess few, because infant mortality rates would be quite high. If the
community had a tradition of burial with grave-goods, then it would be
a drain on the resources of the community if every baby had to be so
buried. Only the wealthier groups would have been able to afford it.
And anecdotal evidence from existing tribal cultures suggests that
infanticide as a birth-control measure wasn't uncommon - which also
suggests that a newborn was not accepted as a full member of the
society until some milestone was passed.

Rupa

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> nearby, as giving birth to twins in that era would have been extremely
> difficult and potentially fatal.
J. - 28 Sep 2005 14:19 GMT
> I wonder if the archaeologists have considered the possibility that
> they were sacrificed.

Perhaps twins were something to be avoided.

J.

> I'm curious as to how many traditional societies - hunter-gatherer or
> agrarian - actually considered newborns as members of society. I would
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> Rupa
rkbose@pacific.net.sg - 28 Sep 2005 16:02 GMT
> > I wonder if the archaeologists have considered the possibility that
> > they were sacrificed.
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> Perhaps twins were something to be avoided.
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> J.

It's possible, I think.
Some tribal groups still have such beliefs IIRC.

Rupa
 
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