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NEWS:  Forever pregnant--Guidelines:  Treat nearly all women as pre-pregnant

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Marley Greiner - 18 May 2006 20:02 GMT
In case you haven't figured out yet that women are nothing more than baybee
machines....

Marley
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/15/AR2006051500875_
pf.html


Forever Pregnant
Guidelines: Treat Nearly All Women as Pre-Pregnant

By January W. Payne
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 16, 2006; HE01

New federal guidelines ask all females capable of conceiving a baby to treat
themselves -- and to be treated by the health care system -- as
pre-pregnant, regardless of whether they plan to get pregnant anytime soon.

Among other things, this means all women between first menstrual period and
menopause should take folic acid supplements, refrain from smoking, maintain
a healthy weight and keep chronic conditions such as asthma and diabetes
under control.

While most of these recommendations are well known to women who are pregnant
or seeking to get pregnant, experts say it's important that women follow
this advice throughout their reproductive lives, because about half of
pregnancies are unplanned and so much damage can be done to a fetus between
conception and the time the pregnancy is confirmed.

The recommendations aim to "increase public awareness of the importance of
preconception health" and emphasize the "importance of managing risk factors
prior to pregnancy," said Samuel Posner, co-author of the guidelines and
associate director for science in the division of reproductive health at the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which issued the report.

Other groups involved include the American College of Obstetricians and
Gynecologists, the March of Dimes, Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center, the
National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention's Division of Reproductive
Health and the National Center on Birth Defects and Developmental
Disabilities.

The idea of preconception care has been discussed for nearly 20 years,
experts said, but it has drawn more attention recently. Progress toward
further reducing the rate of unhealthy pregnancy results, including
premature birth, low birthweight and infant mortality, has slowed in the
United States since 1996 "in part because of inconsistent delivery and
implementation of interventions before pregnancy to detect, treat and help
women modify behaviors, health conditions and risk factors that contribute
to adverse maternal and infant outcomes," according to the report.

Nearly 28,000 U.S. infants died in 2003, according to the National Center
for Health Statistics (NCHS). The infant mortality rate increased in 2002
for the first time in more than 40 years to seven deaths per 1,000 live
births, but it did not change significantly in 2003. Birth defects, low
birthweight and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) were the leading causes
of infant death in 2003, according to NCHS.

The U.S. infant mortality rate is higher than those of most other
industrialized nations -- it's three times that of Japan and 2.5 times those
of Norway, Finland and Iceland, according to a report released last week by
Save the Children, an advocacy group.

Preconception care should be delivered by any doctor a patient sees -- from
her primary care physician to her gynecologist. It involves developing a
"reproductive health plan" that details if and when children are planned,
said Janis Biermann, a report co-author and vice president for education and
health promotion at the March of Dimes.

"The recommendations say we need to be opportunistic," or deliver care and
counseling when opportunities arise, said Merry-K. Moos, a professor in the
University of North Carolina's maternal fetal medicine division who sat on
the CDC advisory panel. "Healthier women have healthier pregnancies."

Women should also make sure all vaccinations are up-to-date and avoid
contact with lead-based paints and cat feces, Biermann said.

The report recommends that women stop smoking and discuss with their doctor
the danger alcohol poses to a developing fetus.

Research shows that "during the first few weeks (before 52 days' gestation)
of pregnancy" -- during which a woman may not yet realize she's pregnant --  
"exposure to alcohol, tobacco and other drugs; lack of essential vitamins
(e.g., folic acid); and workplace hazards can adversely affect fetal
development and result in pregnancy complications and poor outcomes for both
the mother and the infant," the report states.

The CDC report also discusses disparities in care, noting that approximately
17 million women lack health insurance and are likely to postpone or forgo
care. These disparities are more prominent among minority groups and those
of lower socioeconomic status, the report states.

The NCHS data also reflect these disparities. Babies born to black mothers,
for example, had the highest rate of infant death -- 13.5 per 1,000 live
births. Infants born to white women had a death rate of 5.7 per 1,000.

Obstacles to preconception care include getting insurance companies to pay
for visits and putting the concept into regular use by doctors and patients.
Experts acknowledge that women with no plans to get pregnant in the near
future may resist preconception care.

"We know that women -- unless you're actively planning [a pregnancy], . . .
she doesn't want to talk about it," Biermann said. So clinicians must find a
"way to do this and not scare women," by promoting preconception care as
part of standard women's health care, she said.

Some medical facilities have already found a way to weave preconception care
in with regular visits. At Montefiore Medical Center in Bronx, N.Y., a form
that's filled out when checking a patient's height, weight and blood
pressure prompts nurses to ask women, "Do you smoke, and do you plan to
become pregnant in the next year? And if not, what birth control are you
using?"

"It's a simple way of getting primary care providers to think about
preconception care," said Peter Bernstein, a maternal fetal medicine
specialist who sat on the advisory committee that helped produce the report.
"It's simple and [it] costs nothing."
J. - 18 May 2006 23:56 GMT
"Take good care of yourself, you belong to me."

J.

> In case you haven't figured out yet that women are nothing more than baybee
> machines....
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> specialist who sat on the advisory committee that helped produce the report.
> "It's simple and [it] costs nothing."
Steve  White - 20 May 2006 01:19 GMT
> New federal guidelines ask all females capable of conceiving a baby
> to treat themselves -- and to be treated by the health care system --
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> smoking, maintain a healthy weight and keep chronic conditions such
> as asthma and diabetes under control.

Boy oh boy what an oppressive state: suggesting that it's a good idea
for its citizens to  eat right, stay away from the coffin nails and get
medical care for chronic conditions.

Next thing you know they'll offer to pay for medical care for people who
can't afford it.

> While most of these recommendations are well known to women who are
> pregnant or seeking to get pregnant, ...

Ha! You wish. I know better.

> ... experts say it's important that women follow this advice
> throughout their reproductive lives, because about half of
> pregnancies are unplanned and so much damage can be done to a fetus
> between conception and the time the pregnancy is confirmed.

As in, the voice of hard-won experience speaks. Again, oppression pure
and simple.

> The recommendations aim to "increase public awareness of the
> importance of preconception health" and emphasize the "importance of
> managing risk factors prior to pregnancy," said Samuel Posner,
> co-author of the guidelines and associate director for science in the
> division of reproductive health at the Centers for Disease Control
> and Prevention (CDC), which issued the report.

The CDC being a well-known oppressor of pregnant and pre-pregnant
wimmins for decades now ...

> Other groups involved include the American College of Obstetricians
> and Gynecologists, the March of Dimes, Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical
> Center, the National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention's Division
> of Reproductive Health and the National Center on Birth Defects and
> Developmental Disabilities.

Yeah, what do THEY know about good health and pregnant wimmins?

> The idea of preconception care has been discussed for nearly 20
> years, experts said, but it has drawn more attention recently.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> health conditions and risk factors that contribute to adverse
> maternal and infant outcomes," according to the report.

Which helps to put us behind other industrialized states in terms of
infant and maternal mortality. But the only right thing to do would be
to have a smothering universal health care system, which would ... oh
right ... ask its citizens to take better care of themselves.

> Nearly 28,000 U.S. infants died in 2003, according to the National
> Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). The infant mortality rate
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> (SIDS) were the leading causes of infant death in 2003, according to
> NCHS.

But it wouldn't be right to ask pregnant wimmins to take better care of
themselves in order to lower the number of dead babies (99% of whom are
kept by their wimmin mudders). Nosiree, that's the next step down the
road to Chimpy MacHitler's Handmaid's Tale.

> Preconception care should be delivered by any doctor a patient sees
> -- from her primary care physician to her gynecologist. It involves
> developing a "reproductive health plan" that details if and when
> children are planned, said Janis Biermann, a report co-author and
> vice president for education and health promotion at the March of
> Dimes.

Great Scott: they're going to coerce the wimmins' own doctors into
providing good medical care?

> Women should also make sure all vaccinations are up-to-date and avoid
> contact with lead-based paints and cat feces, Biermann said.

'cause cat feces are ucky.

> The report recommends that women stop smoking and discuss with their
> doctor the danger alcohol poses to a developing fetus.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> complications and poor outcomes for both the mother and the infant,"
> the report states.

Smoking, excessive alcohol and poor nutrition are bad for the wimmins,
too, but who gives a damn about that?

> Experts acknowledge that women with no plans to get pregnant in the near
> future may resist preconception care.

Heathens. Barbarians. How dare they?

> "We know that women -- unless you're actively planning [a pregnancy],
> . . . she doesn't want to talk about it," Biermann said. So
> clinicians must find a "way to do this and not scare women," by
> promoting preconception care as part of standard women's health care,
> she said.

Nah, scare 'em, then they'll sign those surrender papers, the docs will
get their cut, the facilitators will market them far and wide, the
kidnappers will get their baaaaaa-beeeeeeee, and all will be right with
the world.

Sigh.

> Some medical facilities have already found a way to weave
> preconception care in with regular visits. At Montefiore Medical
> Center in Bronx, N.Y., a form that's filled out when checking a
> patient's height, weight and blood pressure prompts nurses to ask
> women, "Do you smoke, and do you plan to become pregnant in the next
> year? And if not, what birth control are you using?"

Birth control? Oh will the tyranny ever cease?

Yes, Marley, I'm mocking this and this attitude of yours.

steve
lainie.petersen@gmail.com - 20 May 2006 01:27 GMT
Steve White wrote:
> Yes, Marley, I'm mocking this and this attitude of yours.

It's my attitude too.

L.
Elizabeth J. Greiner - 20 May 2006 16:17 GMT
> Steve White wrote:
>> Yes, Marley, I'm mocking this and this attitude of yours.
>
> It's my attitude too.
>
> L.

In the near future I fully expect to see "pre-pregnant" women jailed for not
following the rules.  We're already seeing preggos detained during pregnancy
for drug abuse and being carted off to prison after delivery.  Under
rightwing socialism all women belong to the state; their sole purpose to
breed complant soldiers and taxpayers.

Marley
Elizabeth J. Greiner - 20 May 2006 18:16 GMT
Ack!  I'm using my new laptop and it's posting my crappy name.
\
Marley

>> Steve White wrote:
>>> Yes, Marley, I'm mocking this and this attitude of yours.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Marley
darth_breather@yahoo.com - 21 May 2006 08:08 GMT
Women should be forbidden to
Smoke
Work in any place that may be hazardous to the possible fetus
Keep pet cats
Have diabetes or asthma
Consume milk or dairy prducts
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2190140,00.html

And must consume folic acid supplements.

> > Steve White wrote:
> >> Yes, Marley, I'm mocking this and this attitude of yours.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Marley
Elizabeth J. Greiner - 20 May 2006 16:36 GMT
"Steve White" <steve@spam.me.never> w--rote in message
news:steve-5442D8.19195819052006@comcast.dca.giganews.com...

>> New federal guidelines ask all females capable of conceiving a baby
>> to treat themselves -- and to be treated by the health care system --
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> for its citizens to  eat right, stay away from the coffin nails and get
> medical care for chronic conditions.

Ah, old friend.  I new you'd come up with something.  There is nothing wrong
with telling people to eat well and stop smoking.  What is wrong with state
involvement the certain Draconian repercussions.  The trouble with you
liberals is that you can't[ leave people alone.

> Next thing you know they'll offer to pay for medical care for people who
> can't afford it.

I don't support medical care for anybody, whether they can afford it or not.
I don't get it and don't want it.

>> While most of these recommendations are well known to women who are
>> pregnant or seeking to get pregnant, ...
>
> Ha! You wish. I know better.

Gotta agree with you there, Steve.

>> ... experts say it's important that women follow this advice
>> throughout their reproductive lives, because about half of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> As in, the voice of hard-won experience speaks. Again, oppression pure
> and simple.

Funny how for centuries women go along just fine without the advice of
"experts."  Wanna talk about how the male medical profession drove midwives
out of business?  Pregnancy isn't a medicalized condition.

>> The recommendations aim to "increase public awareness of the
>> importance of preconception health" and emphasize the "importance of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> The CDC being a well-known oppressor of pregnant and pre-pregnant
> wimmins for decades now ...

It assumes that all women are breeders.  It's the same nasty paternalism
that until a few years ago made it extremely difficult for women who did not
want to breed to get their tubes tied or some other procedur to insure
permanent infertility.  In fact, the CDC has no Constitutional mandate to
exist.  More liberal social engineering.

>> Other groups involved include the American College of Obstetricians
>> and Gynecologists, the March of Dimes, Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Yeah, what do THEY know about good health and pregnant wimmins?

They do have a reason to exist--or most of them, do.  Independent (NGO)
trade organizations.  They may have an agenda, but they aren't controlled by
the state (exactly).

>> The idea of preconception care has been discussed for nearly 20
>> years, experts said, but it has drawn more attention recently.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> to have a smothering universal health care system, which would ... oh
> right ... ask its citizens to take better care of themselves.

Hey, I don't support a universal health care system.  I did in my misspent
youth, but there are other more efficient ways to cover costs, but then
voluntary association isn't popular today.

>> Nearly 28,000 U.S. infants died in 2003, according to the National
>> Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). The infant mortality rate
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> kept by their wimmin mudders). Nosiree, that's the next step down the
> road to Chimpy MacHitler's Handmaid's Tale.

Not through state intervention, it's not.  And that's what it comes down to
at the end of the day.  The state owning women's bodies.

>> Preconception care should be delivered by any doctor a patient sees
>> -- from her primary care physician to her gynecologist. It involves
>> developing a "reproductive health plan" that details if and when
>> children are planned, said Janis Biermann, a report co-author and
>> vice president for education and health promotion at the March of
>> Dimes.

How about a no reproductive health plan.  Again, this assumes that women
want to ruin their lives and bodies through sprogging.

> Great Scott: they're going to coerce the wimmins' own doctors into
> providing good medical care?

Igt's their job; not the state's.

>> Women should also make sure all vaccinations are up-to-date and avoid
>> contact with lead-based paints and cat feces, Biermann said.
>
> 'cause cat feces are ucky.

One of the anti-abort doctors I interview frequently in my oppositional work
opposes vaccines.

>> The report recommends that women stop smoking and discuss with their
>> doctor the danger alcohol poses to a developing fetus.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>> complications and poor outcomes for both the mother and the infant,"
>> the report states.

Gee, for generations this was not an issue and we got along just fine.  And
for the record, I loathe smoking.

> Smoking, excessive alcohol and poor nutrition are bad for the wimmins,
> too, but who gives a damn about that?
>
>> Experts acknowledge that women with no plans to get pregnant in the near
>> future may resist preconception care.

No sh.t!  I'd take up smoking if some doctor pulled that sh.t one me.  But
then I dont' believe in doctors so I wouldn' be subjected to it.

> Heathens. Barbarians. How dare they?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> promoting preconception care as part of standard women's health care,
>> she said.

Hos about promoting abortion?

> Nah, scare 'em, then they'll sign those surrender papers, the docs will
> get their cut, the facilitators will market them far and wide, the
> kidnappers will get their baaaaaa-beeeeeeee, and all will be right with
> the world.
>
> Sigh.

Ah, you've caught on!

>> Some medical facilities have already found a way to weave
>> preconception care in with regular visits. At Montefiore Medical
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Yes, Marley, I'm mocking this and this attitude of yours.

I know, dear!  I'm out to stop the human racing from self-perpetuation.  The
doctor class is my enemy.

Marley

> steve
darth_breather@yahoo.com - 20 May 2006 22:20 GMT
Steve White wrote:

> > New federal guidelines ask all females capable of conceiving a baby
> > to treat themselves -- and to be treated by the health care system --
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> for its citizens to  eat right, stay away from the coffin nails and get
> medical care for chronic conditions.

Only pre-pregnant citizens. Females of reproductive age, with or
without pardners.
Pardners (and pre-pardners) can do what they like.

Ban cig sales to minors and women under 55.

> Next thing you know they'll offer to pay for medical care for people who
> can't afford it.

Folic acid, anyways.

> > While most of these recommendations are well known to women who are
> > pregnant or seeking to get pregnant, ...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> As in, the voice of hard-won experience speaks. Again, oppression pure
> and simple.

Yeh. Females will give up smoking not because of their own lungs but
for a maybe-baby.
Good motivation for weightloss, ashtma control, and diabetes management
too.

{-Hey, this could kill you.
-So what?
-It could kill your baby.
-What baby?
-The baby you could get pregnant with if you dont use contraceptives.}

> > Nearly 28,000 U.S. infants died in 2003, according to the National
> > Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). The infant mortality rate
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> kept by their wimmin mudders). Nosiree, that's the next step down the
> road to Chimpy MacHitler's Handmaid's Tale.

All those dead babies are because American women are stupid?
Do US women smoke more than Euro women? Or eat less folic acid
supplements?

> > Preconception care should be delivered by any doctor a patient sees
> > -- from her primary care physician to her gynecologist. It involves
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Great Scott: they're going to coerce the wimmins' own doctors into
> providing good medical care?

This may be a good idea. If a woman tells a doc she wants to get preg,
she can tell her what precautions to take. Makes sense. (Start that
folic stuff!)

> > Women should also make sure all vaccinations are up-to-date and avoid
> > contact with lead-based paints and cat feces, Biermann said.
>
> 'cause cat feces are ucky.

Indoor cats are only for old ladies?
Ban them as pets in homes with asthmatics or women of childbearing age!

> > Research shows that "during the first few weeks (before 52 days'
> > gestation) of pregnancy" -- during which a woman may not yet realize
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Smoking, excessive alcohol and poor nutrition are bad for the wimmins,
> too, but who gives a damn about that?

Not the women, anyhow.
Ban all women from hazardous workplaces unless they can show proof of
sterility.

> > "We know that women -- unless you're actively planning [a pregnancy],
> > . . . she doesn't want to talk about it," Biermann said. So
> > clinicians must find a "way to do this and not scare women," by
> > promoting preconception care as part of standard women's health care,
> > she said.

Yep. No smoking, no drinking, no cats, no working in places not cleared
as safe for pregnant women.

Guys can smoke, drink, get heavy, get asthma, get diabetes. Who gives a
sh.t?

> > Some medical facilities have already found a way to weave
> > preconception care in with regular visits. At Montefiore Medical
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Birth control? Oh will the tyranny ever cease?

Stupid way to phrase the question. Separate questions:
Do you smoke? If so, roughly how many per day?
Do you plan to get pregnant within the next 12 months?
Are you using any contraceptives? If so, which ones.

All legit questions. Why do they have to be tied in a way to get the
patients back up?

Good intentions, stupid implementation.
Kathy - 21 May 2006 01:25 GMT
> In case you haven't figured out yet that women are nothing more than baybee
> machines....

Gosh, Marley, you have a funny way of looking at things.  Don't you
think you read way more into this than necessary?

Kathy
mom of three
grandma of 4 1/3

:D

> Marley
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/15/AR2006051500875_
pf.html

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> specialist who sat on the advisory committee that helped produce the report.
> "It's simple and [it] costs nothing."
Marley Greiner - 21 May 2006 05:23 GMT
>> In case you haven't figured out yet that women are nothing more than
>> baybee
>> machines....
>
> Gosh, Marley, you have a funny way of looking at things.  Don't you
> think you read way more into this than necessary?

Not at all.  I spend the better part of the day with my real job (which
overlaps wih adoption) and this type of crap is clearly in line with
christo-pronatalism.

Marley

> Kathy
> mom of three
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>> report.
>> "It's simple and [it] costs nothing."
lainie.petersen@gmail.com - 21 May 2006 07:15 GMT
And the control of women.

L.
 
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