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Robin Harritt - 02 Dec 2006 18:37 GMT
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I've posted this everywhere, so why not here.
        

I received another weaselly letter from Campbell Hooper, Barnardo's lawyers,
on Thursday
            

They object to my use of the word veracity (as in lack of)
             

Perhaps someone can help me out with another term to use when one social
worker within an organization tells you one thing and then another social
worker from the same organization tell you something completely different?
What's the polite way of questioning that?
             

Well at least I Barnardo's seem to be refusing to comment at all on what I
have said in a letter to its solicitor, re my father's family. Usually if
Barnardo's know nothing on a particular issue there is a swift denial of all
knowledge, I have to take that as affirmative, along with its offer to
cooperate with an Adoption Support Agency of my choice. In making that offer
it implicitly acknowledges that the file that it last year claimed to be
complete, can not possibly be so if it has other information.
            

Why do people who would like to claim that they are 'professionals' have to
play these stupid games? Particularly over things that happened 50 + years
ago
             

Prior to the coming in to force of the Legitimacy Act 1959, Affiliation
proceedings were heard in open court and reported by newspapers, so it is
hardly that Barnardos are protecting some great secret. Particularly given
the speculation that I have already passed on via Campbell Hooper its
solicitors. All they would be doing is saving me some research at Colindale
or the top floor of Romford library, where appropriate newspapers still
exist. And perhaps they could then see that the whole thing is handled with
some care and sensitivity. But in my experience Barnardo's Family
Connections Project  http://www.barnardos.org.uk/familyconnections.htm   is
much more in the business of protecting the Barnardo's corporate backside.
            

As for those already found, apart from my alleged father's family from his
his later marriage and the family of my brother who died, the rest all keep
in touch at least. We tend to see each other at least once a year. The
Germans, I keep in touch with via the internet. So I guess I can't have done
all that much wrong so far.
            

Robin
                    

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Marley - 02 Dec 2006 19:47 GMT
You could ask why Barnardo's is staffed with lying  SOBs.

As an alternative, you could threaten to blackmail them with
incontrovertable proof that Dr. Barnardo was Jack the Ripper.

On a sidenote, what' thsi about your putative father and the hypnotist?
Of al lthe thigns he was, I wouldn't have pegged him as a drunk, at
least not until he married the love of his life.

Marley

at all on what I
> have said in a letter to its solicitor, re my father's family. Usually if
> Barnardo's know nothing on a particular issue there is a swift denial of all
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Robin Harritt - 02 Dec 2006 20:23 GMT
> You could ask why Barnardo's is staffed with lying  SOBs.
>
> As an alternative, you could threaten to blackmail them with
> incontrovertable proof that Dr. Barnardo was Jack the Ripper.

Ah...the case has Walter Sickert's DNA all over it according to that
Patricia Cornwell woman, so I'm told. Besides poor old Thomas was a bit of a
short arse he'd have had to carry a step ladder about with him. Would have
been too conspicuous. He did steal lots of children and send them to Canada
though.

> On a sidenote, what' thsi about your putative father and the hypnotist?
>  Of al lthe thigns he was, I wouldn't have pegged him as a drunk, at
> least not until he married the love of his life.
>
> Marley

I've not even mentioned David to them yet, there is to be a documentary on
TV here sometime next week uncovering new evidence about the abdication. Did
he choose to go or was he Pushed? I've not heard anything about a hypnotist,
I do believe he liked a drink though.

Robin

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Marley - 03 Dec 2006 03:52 GMT
> > You could ask why Barnardo's is staffed with lying  SOBs.
> >
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> been too conspicuous. He did steal lots of children and send them to Canada
> though.

The Cromwell woman is pretty convincing.  Jack is my all-time favorite
serial killer, and in some respects it's nice to not know who he is.
If we knew his name, the mystique would be gone.  Sickert was certainly
weird.

> > On a sidenote, what' this about your putative father and the hypnotist?
> >  Of al lthe thigns he was, I wouldn't have pegged him as a drunk, at
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> TV here sometime next week uncovering new evidence about the abdication. Did
> he choose to go or was he Pushed? I've not heard anything about a hypnotist,

I think he was pushed  Why would somebody NOT want to be the King.  I'd
take the job in a minute, though the latest crew has become a bunch of
civic-minded twats.  I'd sit i the palace all day and let people do
stuff for me.  I found an old copy of Lord Russell's book on Queen
Caroline--The Unhappy Queen-- today at the library bookstore.  I didn't
get it, but I think I will tomorrow.

There was an article today on David.  I'm not sure where I picked it
up.  Maybe the BBC.  It was about the TV show. Apparently David went to
a hypnotist about some addiction, and it's assumed it was alcohol.  I'd
say it was more interesting than that.  Like leather clad women with
whips and clamps. I don't think Mrs. Simpson was into that kind of
behavior.  I'm sure though that she had an accute talent for
degradition. I don't think they had much of a sex life.

BTW, I talked to my badad tonight.  He knew Mao back in the post-war
1940s.  He told me tonight that both he and Chou En Lai traveled with
at least 4 women each.  I don't think David did that. The poor guy
could hardly handle one--at least after your rmother got through with
him.

> I do believe he liked a drink though.

I think he did, too.  I suppose it was Manhattans or something.  But
I've never heard that he was an alcoholic.  

> Robin
> Marley
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Damsel Plum - 03 Dec 2006 05:41 GMT
> BTW, I talked to my badad tonight.  He knew Mao back in the post-war
> 1940s.  He told me tonight that both he and Chou En Lai traveled with
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> I think he did, too.  I suppose it was Manhattans or something.  But
> I've never heard that he was an alcoholic.

You adopted people are delusional and retarded.

SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH!

Damzy-wamz
Robin Harritt - 03 Dec 2006 10:52 GMT
>>> You could ask why Barnardo's is staffed with lying  SOBs.
>>>
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>> Marley
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I notice whilst googling the subject that  David is not the only one to have
been to a hypnotist, Mr Hewitt has also been to his hypnotist re his liaison
with the ex President of Barnardo's. I never did see that documentary. It's
the use of hypnosis aspect that interests me.

But returning to Edward Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David
Windsor, ex King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
the British Dominions beyond the Seas and Emperor of India, for a moment. I
don't think Mr Baldwin liked him and his antics with that American divorced
woman very much.

What do you know about Jerome Brannigan by the way, was he in the pay of the
British government? If not which was the "foreign power" that he claimed to
be in the pay of.  Not Herr Hitler I think, I understand that promises might
have been made and accepted as to what would happen had Mr Hitler been more
successful in his venture.

Anyway I shall watch the latest documentary with care to see if I can see
anything to support my claim to be the senior and most direct descendant of
Sophia Electress of Hanover.

Actually if you were to know some one important from 20th century history
Mao and Chou En-lai are defiantly far more impressive than the powerless
20th century British puppet Royalty (that would have to change if I take my
place)

Robin R

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Jackie - 03 Dec 2006 02:47 GMT
>So I guess I can't have done
>all that much wrong so far.
>            

The cup is half full... not half empty..

Jackie
John - 06 Dec 2006 08:40 GMT
Two observations.

> Prior to the coming in to force of the Legitimacy Act 1959, Affiliation
> proceedings were heard in open court and reported by newspapers, so it is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> or the top floor of Romford library, where appropriate newspapers still
> exist.

1) Then why not research it?

2) Barnardo's will be concerned about negative publicity.  If they have
information that you want and need, they will not be happy about your
publicizing the fact that they are not providing it to you.

The first step in setting them up for such publicity is to pin them down.

You want to write a letter to them that a) references their proclaimed
policy of assisting everyone adopted through their agency and b) makes
reasonable requests in reliance on that policy as one so adopted.  This
letter should be wholly unprejudicial and dispassionate, but it should
convey the importance of the requested information to you.  The letter
should communicate the facts clearly and concisely enough that anyone
picking it up can figure out what the situation is.

If they refuse your requests, then they will look like weasels.  And they
will know that. This will cost them heartburn, substantial legal fees, and
just possibly some usable information.
Robin Harritt - 06 Dec 2006 10:21 GMT
Hello John

> Two observations.

>> Prior to the coming in to force of the Legitimacy Act 1959, Affiliation
>> proceedings were heard in open court and reported by newspapers, so it is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> or the top floor of Romford library, where appropriate newspapers still
>> exist.

> 1) Then why not research it?

At the moment because  health problems prevent me from doing so, also
because Barnardo's have a moral duty and perhaps a legal obligation to care
in cases such as this.

> 2) Barnardo's will be concerned about negative publicity.  If they have
> information that you want and need, they will not be happy about your
> publicizing the fact that they are not providing it to you.

Indeed, I suspect that has been the main leverage in obtaining the
information that has been forthcoming

> The first step in setting them up for such publicity is to pin them down.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> clearly and concisely enough that anyone picking it up can figure out what the
> situation is.

That has been tried more than once, by me and by others, I even use quite
expensive lawyers. Barnardo's now have to comply with the most recent
legislation and can not refuse outright to provide all information on file.
It should provide access to parts of the file that concern the individual
seeking access. It should seek consent from others, it should within reason
allow access to parts of the file that hold information about those who are
deceased  see Gunn-Rosso v Nugent Care and the SoS for Health

> If they refuse your requests, then they will look like weasels.

To a lot of people, they already look like weasels and worse.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0LVZ/is_12_17/ai_90108597

<quote>

Mr Roger Singleton (Barnardo's) to the Health Committee on 1 June 1998, re
Child Migration to Australia and Canada

     "On the insurance matter, we are acting on legal advice. You will be
familiar with the fact that risks are insured. The present position of our
insurers is ultra cautious, to put it mildly, on anything which would
remotely resemble making a public apology, and I do not think we need to
dwell on speculating why that is so. We have taken legal advice on the
position of our insurers and the legal advice to Barnardo's and its trustees
is that we should continue to be cautious although we are continuing to
press our insurers to try and ease their attitude where it is absolutely
clear that by the standards of the time a particular migrant had a rough and
difficult time. We want actually to be able to formally say sorry on behalf
of the organisation. The only resources that the organisation would have to
be able to meet, for example, any compensation claims which flow from that
would be in relation to money donated for today's work and that does mean
that the trustees have to take very careful account of the legal advice they
receive."

<end quote>

No other child care organisation's insurers were so insistent or taken quite
such heed of, my opinion is that Singleton and his colleagues were more
concerned about the effect of bad publicity, but insurance seemed like a
damn good excuse.

> And they will know that. This will cost them heartburn, substantial legal
> fees, and just possibly some usable information.

Barnardo's seem quite happy to spend large amounts of their beneficiaries
contributions on lawyers' fees, rather than to negotiate a compromise over
access to the outstanding part of the file. The attitude here seems to be
that adopted people have very little right to know about their patrilineal
family particularly those of it who were also born outside of marriage.
Barnardo's is in many trapped in the 1950s in its thinking on these issues.

Robin

http://harritt.eu

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