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I was just wondering if there were any birth mothers, or birth parents in this group, or if anyone knew where the news groups for birth parents are?  SignaturePatty Savol 216-299-7789 www.geocities.com/birthmompatty www.youravon.com/psavol On Feb 12, 3:48 pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> wrote: > I was just wondering if there were any birth mothers, or birth parents in > this group, or if anyone knew where the news groups for birth parents are? There's a few birthmoms here, Patty. There's even a few first moms, natural moms, and original moms. But I think there are more adoptees and adoptive parents than birthparents. We could sure use another birthmom... you wouldn't be in your final trimester by any chance, would you? < evil snicker > > Patty Savol > 216-299-7789 Good god, woman! Please reconsider posting your contact numbers - there are adoptees present! Dad > On Feb 12, 3:48 pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Good god, woman! Please reconsider posting your contact numbers - > there are adoptees present! Hey! I resemble that remark! ;) SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 On Feb 12, 12:48?pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> wrote: > I was just wondering if there were any birth mothers, or birth parents in > this group, or if anyone knew where the news groups for birth parents are? > > -- > Patty Savol > 216-299-7789www.geocities.com/birthmompattywww.youravon.com/psavol I already gave. I won't be phoning. Just an idea, you might think of getting yourself a 1-800 # number for a better response. Kathy > On Feb 12, 12:48?pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I already gave. Ahem. I don't think she's trolling for baybees, dear. > I won't be phoning. Just an idea, you might think of getting yourself > a 1-800 # number for a better response. Oh just relax, Kathy. Are you that paranoid that you can't even recognize one of your own? Besides, you're beyond child-bearing age. Dad no, im not, lol Im a proud birth mother of a soon to be 4 month old son, who was adopted by a wonderful couple that i spent 7 months getting very close to! We are like best friends now, and im going for my third visit the first weekend of March. My phone is always added to the end of my e-mails because i sell Avon, and use this account to contect all my customers, LOL >> On Feb 12, 12:48?pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Dad On Feb 12, 11:14 pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> wrote: > no, im not, lol > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > We are like best friends now, and im going for my third visit the first > weekend of March. Excellent! I'm glad things are going well for you so far. I always thought open adoption was a two edged sword. Do you have any second thoughts re- your decision to relinquish at the time of your visits? > My phone is always added to the end of my e-mails because i sell Avon, and > use this account to contect all my customers, LOL. Well, OK. But don't say I didn't warn you. :) Dad never! I love the, like sisters, and i know i couldnt handle the situation of having another child in my home. I am so happy when i see them, because i see thats my bSon is in a loving home with two wonderful parents! My daughter goes with me on my visits, and it trully is like visiting family in another town. Their daughter and my daughter are play mates and they have a wonderful time together. his parents also let me help care for him while im there; feeding him, calming him when he fusses, and holding him almost the entire time im there. They trully understand the bond between a mother and a child, and they are committed to letting me be part of his life, because they know he and I share a bond with him that they dont. But on the other hand, I also know, THEY share a bond with him i never will, and i respect that, and put that before my own needs and wants. Its all about whats best for the child, and i trust and believe that they will make decisions that are best for my son. And even if that means they feel the need to stop visits and contact; i will trust them, and support them in any decison they make. I chose them because i know they were wonderful Christians with hearts of Gold; i knew that all the decisions they would be made for the best interest of my bSon. I was trully blessed when i met them, and i have to say, they are two of God true angels > On Feb 12, 11:14 pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Dad On Feb 13, 6:49�am, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> wrote: > never! > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I was trully blessed when i met them, and i have to say, they are two of God > true angels Then Origins might be right up your ally. ;-) >Then Origins might be right up your ally. ;-) What do you mean? >> Then Origins might be right up your ally. ;-) > > What do you mean? Ah... sarcasm detector failure, or have you never encountered Origins? Enter Di, stage left... Robin * > in article i5idnfgAN-AIvk7YnZ2dnUVZ_sKun...@adelphia.com, Patricia Savol at > ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net wrote on 14/2/07 14:58: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Enter Di, stage left... Shhh! Three weeks in Origins Boot Camp and Patty will emerge convinced that a) her baby was stolen at birth by evil adopters b) her decision was not her own, but the result of a vast conspiracy perpetrated by the corrupt adoption industry c) her child's abductors are only appeasing her until the revocation period expires c) the recepshunist did it. All or some of the above. Take your pick. Of course, should she resist Di's Kool-Aid, she would be branded an uncaring mother who would give away their own flesh and blood without even batting an eye. We've seen that little tactic many times over here on this newsgroup. Dad > Of course, should she resist Di's Kool-Aid, she would be branded an > uncaring mother who would give away their own flesh and blood without > even batting an eye. Or smudging her nail polish. On Feb 14, 8:37?am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote: > > Of course, should she resist Di's Kool-Aid, she would be branded an > > uncaring mother who would give away their own flesh and blood without > > even batting an eye. > > Or smudging her nail polish. You better make that Avon nail polish. Kathy wtf..... > On Feb 14, 8:37?am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Kathy look, i get the whole scarcasm thing going on.... but let me make a few things clear... I am DAMN proud of the choices i made. I KNOW his parents are wonderful epople, and they are givin him everything i cant. I trust and understand ANY choices they make as a parent, becaus ei have a son and a daughter at home with me... I will never regret the things i have done, because i did them out of love for my son...OUR son! Up untill 2 hours befor signing the surrendor papers, "H" told me she knew how much i loved him, and if i had changed my mind, to please, follow my heart, and do what i felt was best, even of that ment taking my son, and bringing him to my home. and "R" was nothing but supportive through the whole process. Smiling at the unltrasounds, and laughing when she heard our sons heart beat. Since i was 9 weeks pregnant, i vowed to give my son the best life i coudl possible give him, even if it ment surrendoring him to another home. I chose this home, and I chose his parents, and I made this decision to give him a better life. I realise that there may be some inside jokes, and im not trying to come off as a bitch, but us birth mothers go through just as much as the couples who are unable to concieve a child on their own... You have suffered the feeling of not being able to carry a child to love... we have suffered the feeling of carrying a child we love, but not be able to take care of him/her... You have prayed for a child to fill your home will laughter... We have prayed for a home our child cam grow up smiling in.... You have prayed every night for God to send you the child that you can love... We have prayed every night for God to send us the right family to love our child... >> in article i5idnfgAN-AIvk7YnZ2dnUVZ_sKun...@adelphia.com, Patricia Savol >> at [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Dad On Feb 14, 2:10 pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> wrote: > look, > i get the whole scarcasm thing going on.... > but let me make a few things clear... Umm, OK. > I am DAMN proud of the choices i made. I KNOW his parents are wonderful > epople, and they are givin him everything i cant. I trust and understand ANY > choices they make as a parent, becaus ei have a son and a daughter at home > with me... Are you talking to me? If so, what on earth gave you the idea I was mocking you. < snip > > I realise that there may be some inside jokes, and im not trying to come off > as a bitch, but us birth mothers go through just as much as the couples who > are unable to concieve a child on their own... Actually, I think the pain of giving up a child is greater than that of couples who can't conceive. Big whoop - like some kid needs my particular genes anyway. And my wife's genes - there's mental illness up and down her family tree. Besides, the wife thinks giving birth is highly over rated, all that pain and blood and stuff. I happen to agree with her. I have two kidlets, and I have never changed a single diaper. How cool is that! > You have suffered the feeling of not being able to carry a child to love... > we have suffered the feeling of carrying a child we love, but not be able to > take care of him/her... > You have prayed for a child to fill your home will laughter... Laughter? I have two teenagers - I'd settle for a brief periods of sanity. Nuff said. > We have prayed for a home our child cam grow up smiling in.... > You have prayed every night for God to send you the child that you can > love... > We have prayed every night for God to send us the right family to love our > child... It wasn't that dramatic for us. No late night prayers. No gnashing of teeth. No infertility treatments. And frankly, after 13+ years of this parenting thingee, the empty nest light at the end of the tunnel looks rather inviting. I think you've misjudged some of the comments so far. Dad On Feb 14, 11:10 am, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> wrote: > look, > i get the whole scarcasm thing going on.... [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > We have prayed every night for God to send us the right family to love our > child... Oh this reminds me of watching my "parents" all 26 or so of them stroking each other for their wonderfully smart transaction ME and how we are all love and looking at them and thinking I wished they would all disappear or that I wouldn't have to witness the leg humping of the mutual gratifcation and they had left me the f.ck out of there grand and loving plan. YUCK On Feb 18, 7:46 pm, joymadse...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Feb 14, 11:10 am, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Oh this reminds me of watching my "parents" all 26 or so of them I'm not familiar with your story. 26 parents? > stroking each other for their wonderfully smart transaction ME and how > we are all love and looking at them and thinking I wished they would [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > YUCK > On Feb 18, 7:46 pm, joymadse...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Actually I am not sure the number of people who can claim a parental connection to me, I got bored of counting. I can't begin to describe the sense of warmth it gives me to have sooooooooo many people concerned for my well-being, so warm it must be akin to what a hot potato feels. On Feb 19, 11:25 am, joymadse...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On Feb 18, 7:46 pm, joymadse...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > Actually I am not sure the number of people who can claim a parental > connection to me, I got bored of counting. Why would approx 26 people claim a parental connection with you? Who are you... Anna Nicole Smith's kid? Dad >Why would approx 26 people claim a parental connection with you? Who >are you... Anna Nicole Smith's kid? > >Dad I was wondering the very same thing Dad.. Jackie > >Why would approx 26 people claim a parental connection with you? Who > >are you... Anna Nicole Smith's kid? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jackie OMG Jackie.. she's loaded and has 26 birthfathers!.. Dad.. >> >Why would approx 26 people claim a parental connection with you? Who >> >are you... Anna Nicole Smith's kid? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > OMG Jackie.. she's loaded and has 26 birthfathers!.. I think I saw this on Jerry Springer ;) SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 > I think I saw this on Jerry Springer ;) > -- Not to rub it in, but at least it wasn't "Who's Your Daddy?" > > >Why would approx 26 people claim a parental connection with you? Who > > >are you... Anna Nicole Smith's kid? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dad.. Yeah, ummmm, brilliant. And lookie who you have as a fan on her knees.. LUCKY YOU.. Could you please, DAD, call me MommytothePrinceofDenmark from now on,? I think it is so cute, and no, I am not your mommy, just like you are not my dad. And don't even start with Prince of Darkness jokes, TIRED and TRITE but you keep trying, mmmkay? Someday, someday... >> > >Why would approx 26 people claim a parental connection with you? Who >> > >are you... Anna Nicole Smith's kid? [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Someday, someday... Oooooooookay...............And here I thought I was the only one that occasionally woke up on the wrong side of the broomstick ;) SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 > <joymadse...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Or around the broomstick, in this case. KWIM? J. On Feb 24, 5:29?am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote: > <joymadse...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Oooooooookay...............And here I thought I was the only one that > occasionally woke up on the wrong side of the broomstick ;) Or around the broomstick, in this case. KWIM? Um, what? SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 >> Yeah, ummmm, brilliant. >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Oooooooookay...............And here I thought I was the only one that >occasionally woke up on the wrong side of the broomstick ;) I think the woman is permanently on the wrong side of the broomstick. Jackie On Feb 24, 1:25 am, joymadse...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > >Why would approx 26 people claim a parental connection with you? Who > > > >are you... Anna Nicole Smith's kid? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > And lookie who you have as a fan on her knees.. Oh, gack. But yeah. >On Feb 24, 1:25 am, joymadse...@yahoo.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Oh, gack. >But yeah. Whats the matter kippa f'ng herring.. why you got to back up your little friend? Face it.. she is coming off as an idiot.. Jackie > >On Feb 24, 1:25 am, joymadse...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oh Jackie.. What you lack in appeal you make up for in enthusiasm, well almost, okay not really, just trying to give you something. Do people like you ever have trouble sleeping? I mean you are so boring, it seems like the challenge would be staying awake. I wrote.. >> Face it.. she is coming off as an idiot.. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Oh Jackie.. What you lack in appeal you make up for in enthusiasm, Are you attempting to be clever Joy? >well almost, Almost what? > okay not really, Not really what? >just trying to give you something. Joy.. Please oh please don't every attempt to give me anything.. >Do people like you ever have trouble sleeping? And what is a people like me? Care to elucidate? >I mean you are so boring, it seems like the challenge would be staying >awake. Not like you..silly little bad seed.. I bet you keep lots of people awake at nite.. Jackie > I wrote.. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > >I mean you are so boring, it seems like the challenge would be staying <snip> >silly little bad seed.. Am I to assume that this person, named Joy, is an adoptee? Kathy >Am I to assume that this person, named Joy, is an adoptee? > >Kathy Yes Kathy.. and in another place she uses a picture from the movie as her avatar.. I think she is an unhappy adoptee.. But hey.. Jackie > >On Feb 24, 1:25 am, joymadse...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Whats the matter kippa f'ng herring.. why you got to back up your > little friend? Entirely voluntary, Jackie. And you? On the look out for a new protecter, apparently. > Face it.. she is coming off as an idiot.. Coming as it does from a sychophantic fishwife, that's *really* going to bother her. >Coming as it does from a sychophantic fishwife, that's *really* going >to bother her. I would think fishwifing would be more up your alley.. Kippa f'ing herring.. Jackie > On Feb 18, 7:46 pm, joymadse...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On Feb 14, 11:10 am, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > > > YUCK Have we once more walked into the 2nd act? Marley > > On Feb 18, 7:46 pm, joymadse...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On Feb 14, 11:10 am, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Have we once more walked into the 2nd act? Anyone making the popcorn? Kathy > Marley- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - >> in article i5idnfgAN-AIvk7YnZ2dnUVZ_sKun...@adelphia.com, Patricia Savol at >> ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net wrote on 14/2/07 14:58: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Dad Ah no my mistake, Di's busy elsewhere http://groups.msn.com/ForgottenMothers-/general.msnw?action=get_message&ID_M essage=53638 Robin * > in article 1171468825.269998.274...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com, Dad at > adoptada...@comcast.net wrote on 14/2/07 16:00: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > http://groups.msn.com/ForgottenMothers-/general.msnw?action=get_messa... > essage=53638 I can see that. <<< From: Bitter Harvest Sent: 2/14/2007 8:25 PM ......One of the reasons adoptive parents invest more is that they really want children, and they go to extraordinary means to have them," says Indiana University sociologist Brian Powell, one of the study's authors. Yeah like cutting the baby out of their mothers wombs while the mother is still alive. Lots of stories lilkle this in the US. A common "private adoption" arrangement. Pscyhos make wonderful parents. >>> Lots of stories like this in the USA? A common private adoption arrangement? Lots of folks go into a bank and come out with money. Good thing Di's not a bank guard - she'd shoot all the customers. Dad >> in article 1171468825.269998.274...@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com, Dad at >> adoptada...@comcast.net wrote on 14/2/07 16:00: [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Dad The latest story about these cutters was weird. The cutee planned to put baybee up for adoption. After the attack and recovery, didn't change her mind and Baybee Boo has been adopted. Marley > http://groups.msn.com/ForgottenMothers-/general.msnw?action=get_messa... > essage=53638 I guess it shouldn't come as a suprise to find that this group have appropriated the Jens Galschoit AIDS protest sculpture of a crucified pregnant teen for their main page. http://groups.msn.com/ForgottenMothers-/general.msnw?action=get_message&ID_M essage=53638 > I guess it shouldn't come as a suprise to find that this group have > appropriated the Jens Galschoit AIDS protest sculpture of a crucified > pregnant teen for their main page. I do believe Di appropriated it for them. Some people in the UK don't take them all that seriously, and set up their own group http://groups.msn.com/exposure1/general.msnw Robin * > Some people in the UK don't take them all that seriously. Most delicately put. > On Feb 13, 6:49?am, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The Avon lady stands a better chance of getting through their door than a "proud birth mother". Kathy > > On Feb 12, 12:48?pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Ahem. I don't think she's trolling for baybees, dear. Ahem. Someone who suddenly shows up here without any posting history has troll written all over them, dear. > > I won't be phoning. Just an idea, you might think of getting yourself > > a 1-800 # number for a better response. > > Oh just relax, Kathy. Are you that paranoid that you can't even > recognize one of your own? > A troll? >Besides, you're beyond child-bearing age. > Dad Writing a book? Kathy > A troll? No such luck: http://www.birthmombuds.com/gods_plan2.htm I am not a troll... (guessing that means a smapbot or something) I am a birth mother, who loves all of her children very mcuh. But as i know things can be hard, because of friends i have who have placed, i simply decided to reach out to find all available resources to help me in the hard times to come, instead of waiting till im drownding in 10 feet of tears, unable to scream for help... I may be a birth mother, but im not stupid, nieve, or retadred when it comes to knowign when to find help, and when to have help on call. Perhaps i came to the wrong place... >> A troll? > > No such luck: http://www.birthmombuds.com/gods_plan2.htm >I am not a troll... > (guessing that means a smapbot or something) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Perhaps i came to the wrong place... Perhaps you should have lurked a bit before posting. This is NOT a support group. SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 On Feb 14, 12:14?pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> wrote: > I may be a birth mother, but im not stupid, nieve, or retadred when it comes > to knowign when to find help, and when to have help on call. Maybe you should add ilittterite to the list. > On Feb 14, 12:14?pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Maybe you should add ilittterite to the list. SNORT! nieve? retadred? Perhaps Ms. Savol was PWD? SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 On Feb 14, 11:14 pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> wrote: > I may be a birth mother, but im not stupid, nieve, or retadred when it comes > to knowign when to find help, and when to have help on call. > > Perhaps i came to the wrong place... Have you tried adoption.com? It has forums for birthparents, adoptees, and adoptive parents. It is moderated, which means that there are rules about what can be posted there and what can't. Some people prefer that, others don't. (This newsgroup has no rules at all, which attracts some of us and appalls others.) On Feb 16, 9:46 am, "rkb...@pacific.net.sg" <rkb...@pacific.net.sg> wrote: > Have you tried adoption.com? I could be wrong, of course, but I would imagine Patricia already knows about adoption.com. It's listed as one of the links on Birth Mom Buds. I know about a lot of sites. but the thing is, no matter what the case may be, or who the person is... a birth mother, a person suffering from depression, a person with a physical handicap, etc. Its always good to look around, and find out the different places that offer support, discussion, or where other people like you may be. Im not at all upset i came to this place, because i get every view point in here. If i agree with it, fine, if not, even better. Because it helps me to understand those who DONT think like me. And yes, i may have gotten angry at the first few comments to my post, but i realise that, not everyone thinks the way i do, and not everyone feels the way i do. Im glad my life has turned out this way, because i have learned a lot of things. But its not fair for me to say my way is right, and no one elses is. And i just hope all of you feel that way as well... > On Feb 14, 11:14 pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > (This newsgroup has no rules at all, which attracts some of us and > appalls others.) On Feb 16, 7:50?am, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> wrote: > I know about a lot of sites. > but the thing is, no matter what the case may be, or who the person is... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > lot of things. But its not fair for me to say my way is right, and no one > elses is. And i just hope all of you feel that way as well... I do. Kathy > <rkb...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Your right, no such luck... I am a real person, with real feelings, with read sadness of the loss of my child, with real love for the children i am raising at home, and with real conviction of what Gods love can do when i needed him most. I've openly spoke to PAP's, and other Birth moms... and if there is one thing all of us birth mothers can agree on, its that we coudl use a little more support from the adoptive parents, because reguardless of what you may think... if you are adoptinbg our children... we are GIVING you that oppertunity. We arent whores, or druggie son the street who dump our children in cans... we are women, who stand stong, and admit our faults, and willinging relinquish our child to someone who can love them, just like us, and who can give them a home, that we wish we coudl supply for them.... We are peopel too Damn it, and making a joke out of it, or thinking this is our fault, and we have to deal with it, is bullshit... If you want to blame us, and point a finger at us, and tell us how bed of people we are, we coudl turn around and do the same thing, by pointing at you and saying God wont let you have children, becaus eyou are not capable of unconditional love... I ask you all to think of your daughters you have now, or may adopt in the future, and think of what woudl happen if they were raped, but couldnt bare to keep the child.... Woudl you want her to kill the baby, or let it be raised by a mother who can look at the child and see her child, the child she loves... instead of your daughter seeing the man who raped her.... >> A troll? > > No such luck: http://www.birthmombuds.com/gods_plan2.htm "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSavol@adelphia.net> snip > I ask you all to think of your daughters you have now, or may adopt in the > future, and think of what woudl happen if they were raped, but couldnt > bare to keep the child.... > > Woudl you want her to kill the baby If it was her choice to have an abortion, I would support her. In fact, I'd recommend it. SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 > "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > BAAWA Knight! > #1557 So would I. Kathy (bad, bad bmom) Ah, usenet. Not the happily secluded Yahoo! world which has come to dominate. This is one tough, in your face bunch. But I like it! I like it! Ms. Savol, yes, do lurk for awhile. Read some of the former discussions from Google and then you'll come away with an understanding of what alt.adoption is about. alt.adoption at keeps me grounded as an greedy, desperate AMom. (Not desperate enough, however to cut a baby from somebody's womb - Lord, where does that horrible impetus come from). Elizabeth - I'll include the filth and the fury website http://www.bewareofbbas.org On Feb 16, 7:31�am, "Daniel and Elizabeth Case" <danc...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > Ah, usenet. Not the happily secluded Yahoo! world which has come to > dominate. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > desperate enough, however to cut a baby from somebody's womb - Lord, where > does that horrible impetus come from). The same dark place that gives rise to infanticide, I imagine. Wherever it is that desperation makes its home. J. > Elizabeth - I'll include the filth and the fury websitehttp://www.bewareofbbas.org > Ah, usenet. Not the happily secluded Yahoo! world which has come to > dominate. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Elizabeth - I'll include the filth and the fury website > http://www.bewareofbbas.org Oh my goodness, I just read your story about Cyril. Excuse me while I go get a box of tissues :( SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 >> Ah, usenet. Not the happily secluded Yahoo! world which has come to >> dominate. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Oh my goodness, I just read your story about Cyril. Excuse me while I go get >a box of tissues :( I've read the story a while ago and the horror and sadness of it stuck with me. I thought I'd skim but ended up reading every word. Julia and being a touch in your face bunch is fine. People have the right to speak their mind. But others should also have the right to rebuttal their option. Do you mind if I ask what you meant by being a greedy AMom? And if you have children, adopted or not, your a Mom, not an AMom... but that's just my feelings > Ah, usenet. Not the happily secluded Yahoo! world which has come to > dominate. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Elizabeth - I'll include the filth and the fury website > http://www.bewareofbbas.org > and being a touch in your face bunch is fine. People have the right to > speak their mind. > > But others should also have the right to rebuttal their option. > > Do you mind if I ask what you meant by being a greedy AMom? Some people, especially some birthmothers, look at adoptive parents that way. > And if you have children, adopted or not, your a Mom, not an AMom... but > that's just my feelings And my feeling is that they are both. SignatureRobyn Resident Witchypoo BAAWA Knight! #1557 Ms Savol: "Greedy AMom" I'm being sarcastic. Many times a PAP woman is portrayed in the media (print, t.v.) as "desperate". I extend the desparation into "greed", again, sarcastically. My husband and I are our son's parents - Mom & Dad. No doubt about that! Robyn: Thank you for your kind words about the filth and the fury website. It's not really all about Cyril, but what horrible agency we used for our adoptions and the fact the United States international adoption industry has allowed to go on as long as it has. On Feb 16, 8:31 am, "Daniel and Elizabeth Case" <danc...@frontiernet.net> wrote: > I'll include the filth and the fury websitehttp://www.bewareofbbas.org No words. On Feb 14, 12:18?pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> wrote: > I ask you all to think of your daughters you have now, or may adopt in the > future, and think of what woudl happen if they were raped, but couldnt bare > to keep the child.... I'd take her to an abortionist pronto. Is there a problem with that? On Feb 14, 2:18 pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> wrote: > We arent whores, or druggie son the street who dump our children in cans... Nobody said you were. If you truly believe that relinquishing your son was the best thing for him under whatever the circumstances were for you, then your decision deserves respect. But you might consider the possibility that other mothers who don't feel quite so gung-ho about having lost their kids to adoption find the "Hallelujuah, I'm a birth mom" stuff like totally annoying. > we are women, who stand stong, and admit our faults, and willinging > relinquish our child to someone who can love them, just like us, and who can > give them a home, that we wish we coudl supply for them.... I wish you could have kept your kids too. I'm sorry you couldn't. Are you sure you weren't directed here by the Borg? > We are peopel too Damn it, and making a joke out of it, or thinking this is > our fault, and we have to deal with it, is bullshit... Who said anything about it being your fault? > If you want to blame us, and point a finger at us, and tell us how bed of > people we are, we coudl turn around and do the same thing, by pointing at > you and saying God wont let you have children, becaus eyou are not capable > of unconditional love... I don't know why you seem to think that everyone who adopts is infertile. Or, if they are, it's because God's pissed at them. Any more than I think it is God's will that children are removed from their original families and adopted into others. I guess that's a fundamental difference between us. > I ask you all to think of your daughters you have now, or may adopt in the > future, and think of what woudl happen if they were raped, but couldnt bare > to keep the child.... I'd do the same as LilMtnCbn. On Feb 15, 11:33?am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote: > On Feb 14, 2:18 pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > I'd do the same as LilMtnCbn. Very nicely stated. Maybe Mz. Savol will someday realize none of us need anyone speaking for us as though they had the pipeline to God. I sure would not speak for her. Kathy (bmom reunited) On Feb 14, 9:52 am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote: > > A troll? > > No such luck:http://www.birthmombuds.com/gods_plan2.htm Well since it IS Valentine's Day...some sweets anyone? God's Plan by Patricia Savol I looked you over from top to bottom, The first thing I wondered was, "Where did you come from?" I saw your eyes, fingers and toes, And oh how I cried when I kissed your nose. I spent three days looking you over, I never wanted to forget the way you looked. And as I held you for the last time, I prayed that it would only be the first. I don't have much to give you son, But if love could support you; Well, I have that by the ton! But never forget I did this out of love, And gave you to the angels God sent from above. Two mothers who love you, More then the world itself, Two mothers who place you and your sister on a shelve. So when the time comes when you ask the question "why?", Just remember I loved you first, and will till the day I die. But this was Gods plan, And has been all along. Before you even came to me, He put Us in a song. "From Gods arms to My arms to yours", He created us for a reason, And he has opened many doors. So when your Mama kisses you, And when your Mommy hugs you tight, Know that I have picked them, Because I love you twice as much, when we are both crying at night. *posted for educational purposes only Kathy (not a birth mom bud) Im glad you posted that poem. I wrote it the night i signed the adoption papers > On Feb 14, 9:52 am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > Kathy > (not a birth mom bud) while your at it, if you;d like to really i know about my adoption, you can read my blog too www.geocities.com/birth_mom_patty/myadoptionblog.html > On Feb 14, 9:52 am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > Kathy > (not a birth mom bud) On Feb 14, 12:17?pm, "Patricia Savol" <ItalianBMomSa...@adelphia.net> wrote: > while your at it, if you;d like to really i know about my adoption, you can > read my blog too Thanks, but no thanks, Patricia. I've had my quota of sugar on this fine day. Enough already. Btw, your link doesn't work. Kathy > www.geocities.com/birth_mom_patty/myadoptionblog.html > [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > On Feb 14, 9:52 am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > by Patricia Savol < snip > > Kathy > (not a birth mom bud) Obviously. Dad > > On Feb 14, 9:52 am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Dad I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, but since you appear to be a fan of Patricia's, do you think it was God's will that all birthmothers lost their children to adoption, dad? I, and many other bmoms, don't want anyone with her mindset talking for us. Kathy < snip > > > > Kathy > > > (not a birth mom bud) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, It simply means what it says, Kathy. I got the clear impression you found her poem nauseating, since you posted it for public ridicule. You're not a "birthmom buddy" and you've made that abundantly clear. Please correct me if I'm mistaken. > but since you appear to be a fan of Patricia's, A fan of Patricia's. Umm, no, I just didn't jump on her from the very first post. > do you think it was God's will that all birthmothers lost their > children to adoption, dad? We've been reading each other's post for how many years now? Eight? Ten? When have I ever stated that adoption was god's will - or even a matter of fate? And why would you think so now? Because I saw a birthmom looking for a support group and didn't pounce on her like she was a baybee trolling adoptive parent? > I, and many other bmoms, don't want anyone with her mindset talking for us. Strange, I didn't think she was speaking for you or anyone else for that matter. It is interesting that you seem to speak for "many other bmoms" though. She's got a sappy, sugar-coated, romantic view of adoption. OK, I find it less nauseating than you do. What's the mystery? Dad > < snip > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > A fan of Patricia's. Umm, no, I just didn't jump on her from the very > first post. Sure you did. You gave your adoptive dad brand of humor, and I gave mine. Big deal. > > do you think it was God's will that all birthmothers lost their > > children to adoption, dad? > > We've been reading each other's post for how many years now? Eight? > Ten?> Who cares? >When have I ever stated that adoption was god's will - or even a > matter of fate? And why would you think so now? Because I saw a > birthmom looking for a support group and didn't pounce on her like she > was a baybee trolling adoptive parent? If you really thought she was looking for a support group, you would have directed her to a bmom support group. > > I, and many other bmoms, don't want anyone with her mindset talking for us. > > Strange, I didn't think she was speaking for you or anyone else for > that matter. Really? Maybe, you ought to read her diatribes again. She was bantering on about us, birth mothers, dad. >It is interesting that you seem to speak for "many other > bmoms" though. Nope. Never have, never needed to, Dad. I've always spoken for me, which btw, seems to be a big problem for you. I won't be needing to get on the anti-adoption bus to get to the rally, kwim? > She's got a sappy, sugar-coated, romantic view of adoption. OK, I > find it less nauseating than you do. What's the mystery? > > Dad To each their own, Dad. :-) Kathy < snip > > > > do you think it was God's will that all birthmothers lost their > > > children to adoption, dad? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Who cares? Umm, you would if you sincerely wanted me to answer your question. My mistake for taking your question seriously. I'll remember not to take you seriously going forward. > >When have I ever stated that adoption was god's will - or even a > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If you really thought she was looking for a support group, you would > have directed her to a bmom support group. I don't know of any bmom support groups, unless you count Origins. I don't think that's the kind of support she had in mind. I don't read any bmom support groups. I don't post to any bmom support groups. > > > I, and many other bmoms, don't want anyone with her mindset talking for us. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Nope. Never have, never needed to, Dad. "I, and many other bmoms, don't want anyone with her mindset talking for us." OK, then let the "many other bmoms" speak for themselves. Gawd, are you thick! > I've always spoken for me, which btw, seems to be a big problem for you. I won't be needing to > get on the anti-adoption bus to get to the rally, kwim? Not really, but don't let me stop you. <hiccup> Dad > > If you really thought she was looking for a support group, you would > > have directed her to a bmom support group. > > I don't know of any bmom support groups, unless you count Origins. I > don't think that's the kind of support she had in mind. It's not difficult to find such support groups, if that's what you are looking for. All one has to do is to type into a search engine, and all sorts of stuff comes up (including Origins). > I don't read any bmom support groups. > I don't post to any bmom support group You're kidding me! Seriously though, I'm not sure why Patricia would actually need to come here (of all places) to get this info. Especially as she's already a birth mom bud. I'd have thought surely her other bmbuds would have been able to give her any and all of the info she was looking for. On Feb 15, 5:27�pm, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote: > > > If you really thought she was looking for a support group, you would > > > have directed her to a bmom support group. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I'd have thought surely her other bmbuds would have been able to give > her any and all of the info she was looking for. Yeah, he is kidding, but only himself. Compared to Di, Patricia seems to be refreshing for him Pggggggggggggggg Kathy > < snip > > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > OK, then let the "many other bmoms" speak for themselves. Gawd, are > you thick! So you're angry. Won't be the first time. > > I've always spoken for me, which btw, seems to be a big problem for you. I won't be needing to > > get on the anti-adoption bus to get to the rally, kwim? > > Not really, but don't let me stop you. <hiccup> > > Dad Kathy > On Feb 14, 9:52 am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Well since it IS Valentine's Day...some sweets anyone? Jesus. That's enough to make me rip my eyeballs out. > > On Feb 14, 9:52 am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jesus. That's enough to make me rip my eyeballs out. LOL! Too much sugar makes you violent, eh, you silly adoptee? Details, details. ;-) Kathy < snip > > > Ahem. I don't think she's trolling for baybees, dear. > > Ahem. Someone who suddenly shows up here without any posting history > has troll written all over them, dear. No, she had birthmom written all over her. "Patty Savol 216-299-7789 www.geocities.com/birthmompatty" > > > I won't be phoning. ?Just an idea, you might think of getting yourself > > > a 1-800 # number for a better response. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > A troll? You're a troll? I thought you were a birthmom. My bad. > >Besides, you're beyond child-bearing age. > > Dad > > Writing a book? Nah. Nobody would read it, let alone buy it. Dad |
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