Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion Groups
Parenting
ParentingMothersSingle ParentsStep ParentsAdoptionTwinsSpankingChildren's Health
Pregnancy
PregnancyBreastfeeding
Marriage
MarriageDivorce
FamilyKB.com
Contact UsLink To UsSearch & Site Map

Family Forum / Parenting / Adoption / December 2007



Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Romanian orphanages vs foster care

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
rkbose@pacific.net.sg - 21 Dec 2007 07:08 GMT
There's an interesting article in the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/21/health/21cnd-foster.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Researchers in Romania found that kids who were in foster care
averaged IQs of 81, kids in institutions averaged 73, and kids in
their biofamilies averaged 109...sounds like a kid deprived of a
biofamily risks an IQ drop of 28 points (if the sample families were
properly matched) even if they go into foster care.

And kids who go to institutions instead of foster care see a further
drop of 8 points.

Wonder how adoption compares with fosters and bios.

Excerpt:

"After gaining clearance from the government, the researchers began to
track 136 children who had been abandoned at birth. They administered
developmental tests to the children, and then randomly assigned them
to continue at one of Bucharest's six large orphanages, or join an
adoptive family. The foster families were carefully screened and
provided "very high-quality care," Dr. Nelson said.

"On I.Q. tests taken at 54 months, the foster children scored an
average of 81, compared to 73 among the children who continued in an
institution. The children who moved into foster care at the youngest
ages tended to show the most improvement, the researchers found.

"The comparison group of youngsters who grew up in their biological
families had an average I.Q. of 109 at the same age, found the
researchers, who announced their preliminary findings as soon in
Romania as they were known."
John - 21 Dec 2007 16:17 GMT
> There's an interesting article in the NY Times:
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> researchers, who announced their preliminary findings as soon in
> Romania as they were known."

Interesting.  Maia didn't talk at all when we first met her.  That was a big
concern, though we could see in other ways that she was smart.  We adopted
her in early May.  By late August (she was a little over two), she knew 150
words of English by my coiunt.

There are other ways that the orphanage experience affected her--at least,
affected the measurement of her intelligence.  She started kindergarten this
year, and we took for tests at different schools.  One school told us that
she had tested at the first percentile level.  You have to be virtually
brain dead to test at the first percentile, and we know that that's not the
case.  How she performs, depends on how the tester approaches her.  If she
feels too anxious, too on the spot, she'll hide somewhere inside herself.
That's the orphanage, too, I think.
Julia Rollings - 21 Dec 2007 21:31 GMT
>> There's an interesting article in the NY Times:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
>feels too anxious, too on the spot, she'll hide somewhere inside herself.
>That's the orphanage, too, I think.

IMO you can take the child out of the orphanage but you can't
necessarily take the orphanage out of the child. My son is now
officially 16, though bone aging puts him closer to 19 years old. He
was abandoned around age 3 and was mute from the day he was abandoned
until about 2 weeks after he came to our family, just over 2 years of
silence. He started speaking one afternoon - on the same day he
decided to cling desperately to me, refusing to be away from my side
for the next 18 months or so.

Even now, I can measure my son's anxiety level according to his
speaking volume. Whenever he is out of his depth he becomes quieter
and quieter until he is barely audible.  His IQ tests place him in the
mild intellectual disability range, though that is a totally
misleading categorisation because his subtest results are so
disparate. For those with a statistical interest he completed 16
subtests, scoring three standard deviations below the norm in his
lowest result and three standard deviations above the norm in his
highest result - leaving his psychologist astounded.. He struggles
enormously with verbal intelligence tests (those depending on
understanding the spoken and written word, and requiring a verbal
response) but he performs better than the norm on performance tests
(those depending on observation, not language). He is now entering his
last two years of high school and we are trying to find an
apprenticeship for him. He will do fabulously well if he can stand
alongside someone who can demonstrate his trade.

Last Thursday we attended our son's graduation ceremony from high
school (we have separate schools for the final two years of senior
high school). He received his school's annual award for a student who
has overcome adversity to achieve his personal best. He held his first
art exhibition the same week and sold all five of his pieces. Of all
my children I take particular pride in seeing this son excel. He's
come a hell of a long way.

Julia
rkbose@pacific.net.sg - 21 Dec 2007 23:45 GMT
> ><rkb...@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
> >news:6b2804b7-c9f7-4fa6-8005-f4259a45fe3c@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
>
> Julia- Hide quoted text -

Congratulations to you both, Julia! (Or I guess, to all of you)
John - 22 Dec 2007 02:37 GMT
>>> There's an interesting article in the NY Times:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 83 lines]
>
> Julia

Thank you for this information.  I especially like that observation--you can
take the child out of the orphanage but you can't take the orphanage out of
the child--I think that's exactly right.

Congratulations to you and your son!  What an achievement!  Is his artwork
online?
Julia Rollings - 23 Dec 2007 01:47 GMT
>>>> There's an interesting article in the NY Times:
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 90 lines]
>Congratulations to you and your son!  What an achievement!  Is his artwork
>online?

No, he doesn't have any artwork online. Maybe on day.  His exhibition
was at a local community arts centre.  

Julia
Steve  White - 22 Dec 2007 06:18 GMT
> IMO you can take the child out of the orphanage but you can't
> necessarily take the orphanage out of the child.

That I believe. Which is why people who say that these children should
be left in orphanages in their home countries rather than be adopted by
evil Americans (or Brits, or Aussies, etc.) are just plain nuts.

> He held his first art exhibition the same week and sold all five of
> his pieces. Of all my children I take particular pride in seeing this
> son excel. He's come a hell of a long way.

Outstanding. If he puts his work on-line I'd love to see it. Sounds like
a great young man.

steve
Steve  White - 22 Dec 2007 06:21 GMT
In article
<6b2804b7-c9f7-4fa6-8005-f4259a45fe3c@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,

> There's an interesting article in the NY Times:
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> And kids who go to institutions instead of foster care see a further
> drop of 8 points.

Another excerpt:

"On I.Q. tests taken 18 months after placement, children placed into
homes of desperate American adopters averaged I.Q.s 54 points less than
the I.Q.s of their biological mothers. These children also scored in the
lowest decile in behavioral testing and further scored in the highest
decile in fire-starting."

steve
rkbose@pacific.net.sg - 22 Dec 2007 08:34 GMT
> In article
> <6b2804b7-c9f7-4fa6-8005-f4259a45f...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> steve

You missed the bit about peeing on the cat.
And virulently contagious ACS.
Julia Rollings - 22 Dec 2007 09:20 GMT
>> In article
>> <6b2804b7-c9f7-4fa6-8005-f4259a45f...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>You missed the bit about peeing on the cat.
>And virulently contagious ACS.

And not to forget adoptee's problems with mucus. Biological families
never have to contend with cookie snot!
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2009 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.