Australian families caught up in India adoption scandal
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kippaherring@hotmail.com - 22 Feb 2009 13:43 GMT With respect and admiration for Julia and Barry's integrity and concern for their children http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/22/2498030.htm
Australian families caught up in India adoption scandal February 22 2009
It is a confronting thought for any unsuspecting family that their adopted child may have been trafficked.
But the truth is hundreds of Indian children have been stolen and sold for adoption, and some have found new homes in Australia.
It is impossible to get an accurate picture of the true extent of child trafficking in India, but one thing is clear - it has been going on for years.
In Indian terms, there is big money to be made and the temptations are everywhere.
In the late 1990s the child traders were brazenly kidnapping babies and young children from these streets.
One lawyer claims that out of the 400 or so Indian children who found new homes in Australia in the past 15 years, at least 30 were stolen from their birth families.
The issue is complicated further by the fact it is remarkably easy for anyone posing as a parent to "surrender" a child to an orphanage - presumably for an under-the-counter fee.
The big flaw in the system is that the orphanages oversee the surrender of children without any adequate checks by government, an open door for the traffickers.
The orphanages can then make thousands of dollars in fees for every child that is sent overseas.
Sold by their drunken dad For 10 years, in a small Indian village north of Chennai, Sunama lived with an agonising loss; Missing from her home are her two eldest children.
In 1996 they were taken away and sold by their drunken father for the equivalent of $50. The children, aged two and three, were traded by child traffickers.
The loss was unbearable for Sunama, who did not even know if her children were dead or alive.
But Akil and Sabila were happy and healthy on the other side of the world, in the suburbs of Canberra.
Akil, now 15, and his 14-year-old sister had become part of the Rollings family of eight children, including six adoptees.
Julia and Barry Rollings had always believed that Akil and Sabila had been given up by their sick parents.
But soon the Rollings began reading reports that the MASOS orphanage, where they adopted the pair, had been caught up in a kidnapping scandal.
They started to doubt the story they had been told about Akil and Sabila's origins.
"That really was the hardest part trying to decide whether we should look or whether we should just leave things as they were," Ms Rollings said.
"It was the realisation on the crux of that decision, that if we set forward, if we walked through this door, that's it ... There's no turning back. That we are then duty bound to follow through to the end.
"That unknown was pretty damn scary."
The Rollings felt they owed it to their children to search for their biological mother, despite the dangers.
"My overriding fear was that we might lose the children, that there may be some legal avenue that we could end up in a situation that whatever our motives for searching might be, that we might find another family that were demanding the return of their children," Ms Rollings said.
They managed to track down Sumana and ABC1's Foreign Correspondent accompanied the families on their emotional journey.
Stolen in the street Thirteen-year-old Jabeen was also kidnapped in India, but family reunifications have not worked out like in the Rollings case.
It was late in 1998 and Jabeen had only been out of her mother Fatima's sight for a moment, as she walked along the street.
The traffickers were looking for good-looking children they thought would be attractive for adoption.
She was snatched from the street by a woman travelling in an auto rickshaw and the traffickers changed the child's name. They claimed she had been surrendered by her mother.
Jabeen was adopted by an unsuspecting Australian couple who are now aware of the truth, but have chosen to maintain their privacy and the case is now before the courts.
Geetha Devarajan, the lawyer for Jabeen's biological parents Fathima and Salya, claims Jabeen was sold by traffickers to an orphanage called MSS.
She says corrupt orphanage officials forged the relinquishment papers.
"Children are so vulnerable in that situation, especially poor children who come from a difficult background," Ms Devarajan said.
"This will not happen to any upper class, any well-to-do family. It only happens with poor families.
"The easy target is children who are on the street playing or sleeping and where the parents are working or the parents don't have a proper residence where they can protect the children from these kinds of vultures.
"They just take the child and disappear and once these children get into these orphanages it's a big screen where nobody can penetrate."
The MSS organisation has now been banned from adopting children, but it still canvasses charity support from Australia.
ABC reporter Sally Sara visited Jabeen's orphanage and confronted the director, who is now facing charges.
Reporting on the scandal from Chennai, Sara also found there are many Indian families who would love to adopt a child, but the laws around domestic adoption are so Draconian that most give up and foster kids instead.
toomey.david@gmail.com - 24 Feb 2009 02:04 GMT On Feb 23, 12:43 am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> With respect and admiration for Julia and Barry's integrity and > concern for their childrenhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/22/2498030.htm [quoted text clipped - 132 lines] > domestic adoption are so Draconian that most give up and foster kids > instead. With respect. Ha This woman has been a pro adoption advocate online and elsewhere for years. This despite evidence of corrupt and fraudulent activities in just about every country invloved in international adoption (ie child trafficking). Now she is profitting from writing her silly little book. I have personally witnessed exchanges were the problems of IA have been pointed out to her and she compltetely ignored or brushed aside the very events which has occurred in her very own life. She is a f.cking moron.
kippaherring@hotmail.com - 24 Feb 2009 16:25 GMT On Feb 23, 9:04 pm, toomey.da...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 23, 12:43 am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 136 lines] > > With respect. Excuse me if I don't think so.
> Ha This woman has been a pro adoption advocate online > and elsewhere for years. This despite evidence of corrupt and > fraudulent activities in just about every country invloved in > international adoption (ie child trafficking). Now she is profitting > from writing her silly little book. Yeah right. Like it's going to make her rich. NOT.
> I have personally witnessed > exchanges were the problems of IA have been pointed out to her and she > compltetely ignored or brushed aside the very events which has > occurred in her very own life. She is a f.cking moron. You're entitled to your opinion, of course. A f.cking moronic opinion though it is.
Julia Rollings - 24 Feb 2009 20:26 GMT >On Feb 23, 12:43=A0am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote: >> With respect and admiration for Julia and Barry's integrity and [quoted text clipped - 137 lines] >With respect. Ha This woman has been a pro adoption advocate online >and elsewhere for years. And still is an advocate for adoption, when it is legally and ethically conducted.
>This despite evidence of corrupt and >fraudulent activities in just about every country invloved in >international adoption (ie child trafficking). Corruption and fraudulent activities are directly harmful to children and their families. When corruption is ignored until it reaches such proportions that programs close, then children in genuine need of adoptive families suffer by continued institutionalisation.
Adoption corruption is the cause of the harm in both cases, so I am doing what I can (speaking to local and federal govt, at conferences, to the media, writing a book) to let people know about the corruption and fraudulent activities we uncovered.
I agree completely with Ethica's position on this issue, as articulated at http://www.ethicanet.org/item.php?recordid=whyaparents
>Now she is profitting >from writing her silly little book. Profits from my silly little book are being used to support Sunama and her children. For the past two years we have covered all her family's costs following her husband's severe stroke and eventual death, which left her with no income and five young children including a newborn. We will continue this total support while she undertakes some vocational training, and when she is earning sufficient to support herself our focus will shift to the longer-term education and support of her children.
We undertook this responsibility to ensure her family remained intact and safe. Thankfully, sales of my book are making this long-term support possible.
>I have personally witnessed >exchanges were the problems of IA have been pointed out to her and she >compltetely ignored or brushed aside the very events which has >occurred in her very own life. Do tell more... When did anyone point out to me "the very events which occurred" in my own life?
>She is a f.cking moron. How about a real debate rather than playground taunts?
Julia
rkb - 24 Feb 2009 23:56 GMT > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:04:11 -0800 (PST), toomey.da...@gmail.com > wrote: > > >She is a f.cking moron. > > How about a real debate rather than playground taunts? I imagine someone capable of debate would have expressed themselves differently to start with.
kippaherring@hotmail.com - 25 Feb 2009 00:14 GMT > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:04:11 -0800 (PST), toomey.da...@gmail.com > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I imagine someone capable of debate would have expressed themselves > differently to start with. Um. I'm afraid that's why I responded in kind.
toomey.david@gmail.com - 25 Feb 2009 23:41 GMT > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:04:11 -0800 (PST), toomey.da...@gmail.com > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 190 lines] > > Julia I have neither the time nor the inclination to go trawling through the old posts at About.com or here in the three ringed circus of Alt. A to support my claim. Your “Journey” Ha, can be neatly summarised as such: The misguided desires of a frumpy housefrau from the bland old burbs of OZ directly influences the illegal baby trade in dirt poor 1st world nations. If there weren’t people like you wanting to ‘save’ children then there wouldn’t be children stolen for adoption. Pretty f.cking simple. And now you are supporting the Indian family. Isn’t that adopter halo shining bright? You could support a whole village in India for about $50 a week. Yes you did the right thing reuniting your kids with their family. Big f.cking deal. They were STOLEN from their MOTHER. You are not a hero for doing the right thing! If you don’t think, that in 50 to 100 years the world will not look back completely aghast at the exploitative manner in which we haphazardly remove children from their countries and cultures you are a bigger f.cking moron than I thought. And you know what, if there were a few more HWI’s available in Australia, we wouldn’t even be having this delightful exchange, would we? Good day to you madam. Oh and to all the cobwebbed encrusted losers who have crawled out of the Alt.A crypt. Go f.ck yourselves.
kippaherring@hotmail.com - 26 Feb 2009 01:06 GMT On Feb 25, 6:41 pm, toomey.da...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:04:11 -0800 (PST), toomey.da...@gmail.com > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 212 lines] > Oh and to all the cobwebbed encrusted losers who have crawled out of > the Alt.A crypt. Go f.ck yourselves. Oh look. The psychopath's escalating.
Julia Rollings - 26 Feb 2009 12:02 GMT >> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:04:11 -0800 (PST), toomey.da...@gmail.com >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 201 lines] >f.cking simple. And now you are supporting the Indian family. Isn=92t >that adopter halo shining bright? You are the one that made the comment that I was profiting from sales of my book. I'm simply pointing out that the profits aren't being spent on us.
>You could support a whole village in >India for about $50 a week. Wow. Point me in the direction of that village please.
> Yes you did the right thing reuniting your >kids with their family. Big f.cking deal. They were STOLEN from their [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >were a few more HWI=92s available in Australia, we wouldn=92t even be >having this delightful exchange, would we? A few more HWI's available in Australia? Why would that have made any difference? If I'd wanted more HWI in our family I would have simply made more myself.
>Good day to you madam. >Oh and to all the cobwebbed encrusted losers who have crawled out of >the Alt.A crypt. Go f.ck yourselves. Eloquent as ever.
Julia
jmdjmh@aol.com - 26 Feb 2009 13:51 GMT On Feb 25, 5:41 pm, toomey.da...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:04:11 -0800 (PST), toomey.da...@gmail.com > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 214 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Ah, a victim of brain disease. My apologies, Mr. T. I hope you find a cure.
J.
rkb - 28 Feb 2009 07:23 GMT On Feb 25, 3:41 pm, toomey.da...@gmail.com wrote:
If there weren’t people like you wanting to ‘save’
> children then there wouldn’t be children stolen for adoption. No, they would be stolen for even worse purposes. And don't believe it doesn't happen.
rkb - 28 Feb 2009 22:53 GMT > On Feb 25, 3:41 pm, toomey.da...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > No, they would be stolen for even worse purposes. And don't believe it > doesn't happen. I should expand on this - in many poor countries, there is in fact a 'market' for children who are too young to defend themselves. If they are fortunate, they are sold into households as domestic servants, well-treated, and educated. In a way, this is pernicious because it sets up a paradigm that desperate poor parents *want* to believe when they place their children in urban families. And yet in other ways, it provides an escape from poverty for those children, who learn urban skills and can go on to do well relative to their rural siblings.
The less fortunate are used as field hands, workers in dangerous occupations, beggars (maimed and blinded or not) and prostitutes. Some are murdered.
If children are stolen, frankly, adoption into a loving family is the *best* possible outcome.
jmdjmh@aol.com - 26 Feb 2009 13:49 GMT On Feb 23, 8:04�pm, toomey.da...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 23, 12:43�am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 145 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The mind boggles, Mr. T. I've participated in discussions with "this woman" here on alt.adoption and elsewhere for years. She's been aware of and criticized the problems with international adoption for a long time, beginning well before she learned the truth behind her children's adoption. The fact that she finds the process worth cleaning up is hardly a basis for condemnation. Your problem, apparently, is that she doesn't reject international adoption out of hand.
J. IA parent, class of '93.
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