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Australian families caught up in India adoption scandal

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kippaherring@hotmail.com - 22 Feb 2009 13:43 GMT
With respect and admiration for Julia and Barry's integrity and
concern for their children http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/22/2498030.htm

Australian families caught up in India adoption scandal
February 22 2009

It is a confronting thought for any unsuspecting family that their
adopted child may have been trafficked.

But the truth is hundreds of Indian children have been stolen and sold
for adoption, and some have found new homes in Australia.

It is impossible to get an accurate picture of the true extent of
child trafficking in India, but one thing is clear - it has been going
on for years.

In Indian terms, there is big money to be made and the temptations are
everywhere.

In the late 1990s the child traders were brazenly kidnapping babies
and young children from these streets.

One lawyer claims that out of the 400 or so Indian children who found
new homes in Australia in the past 15 years, at least 30 were stolen
from their birth families.

The issue is complicated further by the fact it is remarkably easy for
anyone posing as a parent to "surrender" a child to an orphanage -
presumably for an under-the-counter fee.

The big flaw in the system is that the orphanages oversee the
surrender of children without any adequate checks by government, an
open door for the traffickers.

The orphanages can then make thousands of dollars in fees for every
child that is sent overseas.

Sold by their drunken dad
For 10 years, in a small Indian village north of Chennai, Sunama lived
with an agonising loss; Missing from her home are her two eldest
children.

In 1996 they were taken away and sold by their drunken father for the
equivalent of $50. The children, aged two and three, were traded by
child traffickers.

The loss was unbearable for Sunama, who did not even know if her
children were dead or alive.

But Akil and Sabila were happy and healthy on the other side of the
world, in the suburbs of Canberra.

Akil, now 15, and his 14-year-old sister had become part of the
Rollings family of eight children, including six adoptees.

Julia and Barry Rollings had always believed that Akil and Sabila had
been given up by their sick parents.

But soon the Rollings began reading reports that the MASOS orphanage,
where they adopted the pair, had been caught up in a kidnapping
scandal.

They started to doubt the story they had been told about Akil and
Sabila's origins.

"That really was the hardest part trying to decide whether we should
look or whether we should just leave things as they were," Ms Rollings
said.

"It was the realisation on the crux of that decision, that if we set
forward, if we walked through this door, that's it ... There's no
turning back. That we are then duty bound to follow through to the
end.

"That unknown was pretty damn scary."

The Rollings felt they owed it to their children to search for their
biological mother, despite the dangers.

"My overriding fear was that we might lose the children, that there
may be some legal avenue that we could end up in a situation that
whatever our motives for searching might be, that we might find
another family that were demanding the return of their children," Ms
Rollings said.

They managed to track down Sumana and ABC1's Foreign Correspondent
accompanied the families on their emotional journey.

Stolen in the street
Thirteen-year-old Jabeen was also kidnapped in India, but family
reunifications have not worked out like in the Rollings case.

It was late in 1998 and Jabeen had only been out of her mother
Fatima's sight for a moment, as she walked along the street.

The traffickers were looking for good-looking children they thought
would be attractive for adoption.

She was snatched from the street by a woman travelling in an auto
rickshaw and the traffickers changed the child's name. They claimed
she had been surrendered by her mother.

Jabeen was adopted by an unsuspecting Australian couple who are now
aware of the truth, but have chosen to maintain their privacy and the
case is now before the courts.

Geetha Devarajan, the lawyer for Jabeen's biological parents Fathima
and Salya, claims Jabeen was sold by traffickers to an orphanage
called MSS.

She says corrupt orphanage officials forged the relinquishment papers.

"Children are so vulnerable in that situation, especially poor
children who come from a difficult background," Ms Devarajan said.

"This will not happen to any upper class, any well-to-do family. It
only happens with poor families.

"The easy target is children who are on the street playing or sleeping
and where the parents are working or the parents don't have a proper
residence where they can protect the children from these kinds of
vultures.

"They just take the child and disappear and once these children get
into these orphanages it's a big screen where nobody can penetrate."

The MSS organisation has now been banned from adopting children, but
it still canvasses charity support from Australia.

ABC reporter Sally Sara visited Jabeen's orphanage and confronted the
director, who is now facing charges.

Reporting on the scandal from Chennai, Sara also found there are many
Indian families who would love to adopt a child, but the laws around
domestic adoption are so Draconian that most give up and foster kids
instead.
toomey.david@gmail.com - 24 Feb 2009 02:04 GMT
On Feb 23, 12:43 am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> With respect and admiration for Julia and Barry's integrity and
> concern for their childrenhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/22/2498030.htm
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> domestic adoption are so Draconian that most give up and foster kids
> instead.

With respect. Ha This woman has been a pro adoption advocate online
and elsewhere for years. This despite evidence of corrupt and
fraudulent activities in just about every country invloved in
international adoption (ie child trafficking). Now she is profitting
from writing her silly little book. I have personally witnessed
exchanges were the problems of IA have been pointed out to her and she
compltetely ignored or brushed aside the very events which has
occurred in her very own life. She is a f.cking moron.
kippaherring@hotmail.com - 24 Feb 2009 16:25 GMT
On Feb 23, 9:04 pm, toomey.da...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 23, 12:43 am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
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>
> With respect.

Excuse me if I don't think so.

> Ha This woman has been a pro adoption advocate online
> and elsewhere for years. This despite evidence of corrupt and
> fraudulent activities in just about every country invloved in
> international adoption (ie child trafficking). Now she is profitting
> from writing her silly little book.

Yeah right.
Like it's going to make her rich. NOT.

> I have personally witnessed
> exchanges were the problems of IA have been pointed out to her and she
> compltetely ignored or brushed aside the very events which has
> occurred in her very own life. She is a f.cking moron.

You're entitled to your opinion, of course.
A f.cking moronic opinion though it is.
Julia Rollings - 24 Feb 2009 20:26 GMT
>On Feb 23, 12:43=A0am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> With respect and admiration for Julia and Barry's integrity and
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>With respect. Ha This woman has been a pro adoption advocate online
>and elsewhere for years.

And still is an advocate for adoption, when it is legally and
ethically conducted.

>This despite evidence of corrupt and
>fraudulent activities in just about every country invloved in
>international adoption (ie child trafficking).

Corruption and fraudulent activities are directly harmful to children
and their families. When corruption is ignored until it reaches such
proportions that programs close, then children in genuine need of
adoptive families suffer by continued institutionalisation.

Adoption corruption is the cause of the harm in both cases, so I am
doing what I can (speaking to local and federal govt, at conferences,
to the media, writing a book) to let people know about the corruption
and fraudulent activities we uncovered.

I agree completely with Ethica's position on this issue, as
articulated at http://www.ethicanet.org/item.php?recordid=whyaparents 

>Now she is profitting
>from writing her silly little book.

Profits from my silly little book are being used to support Sunama and
her children. For the past two years we have covered all her family's
costs following her husband's severe stroke and eventual death, which
left her with no income and five young children including a newborn.
We will continue this total support while she undertakes some
vocational training, and when she is earning sufficient to support
herself our focus will shift to the longer-term education and support
of her children.

We undertook this responsibility to ensure her family remained intact
and safe.  Thankfully, sales of my book are making this long-term
support possible.

>I have personally witnessed
>exchanges were the problems of IA have been pointed out to her and she
>compltetely ignored or brushed aside the very events which has
>occurred in her very own life.

Do tell more... When did anyone point out to me "the very events which
occurred" in my own life?

>She is a f.cking moron.

How about a real debate rather than playground taunts?

Julia
rkb - 24 Feb 2009 23:56 GMT
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:04:11 -0800 (PST), toomey.da...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >She is a f.cking moron.
>
> How about a real debate rather than playground taunts?

I imagine someone capable of debate would have expressed themselves
differently to start with.
kippaherring@hotmail.com - 25 Feb 2009 00:14 GMT
> > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:04:11 -0800 (PST), toomey.da...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
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> I imagine someone capable of debate would have expressed themselves
> differently to start with.

Um. I'm afraid that's why I responded in kind.
toomey.david@gmail.com - 25 Feb 2009 23:41 GMT
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:04:11 -0800 (PST), toomey.da...@gmail.com
> wrote:
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>
> Julia

I have neither the time nor the inclination to go trawling through the
old posts at About.com or here in the three ringed circus of Alt. A to
support my claim. Your “Journey” Ha, can be neatly summarised as such:
The misguided desires of a frumpy housefrau from the bland old burbs
of OZ directly influences the illegal baby trade in dirt poor 1st
world nations.  If there weren’t people like you wanting to ‘save’
children then there wouldn’t be children stolen for adoption. Pretty
f.cking simple.  And now you are supporting the Indian family.  Isn’t
that adopter halo shining bright? You could support a whole village in
India for about $50 a week. Yes you did the right thing reuniting your
kids with their family. Big f.cking deal. They were STOLEN from their
MOTHER. You are not a hero for doing the right thing!
If you don’t think, that in 50 to 100 years the world will not look
back completely aghast at the exploitative manner in which we
haphazardly remove children from their countries and cultures you are
a bigger f.cking moron than I thought.  And you know what, if there
were a few more HWI’s available in Australia, we wouldn’t even be
having this delightful exchange, would we?
Good day to you madam.
Oh and to all the cobwebbed encrusted losers who have crawled out of
the Alt.A  crypt. Go f.ck yourselves.
kippaherring@hotmail.com - 26 Feb 2009 01:06 GMT
On Feb 25, 6:41 pm, toomey.da...@gmail.com wrote:

> > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:04:11 -0800 (PST), toomey.da...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
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> Oh and to all the cobwebbed encrusted losers who have crawled out of
> the Alt.A  crypt. Go f.ck yourselves.

Oh look. The psychopath's escalating.
Julia Rollings - 26 Feb 2009 12:02 GMT
>> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:04:11 -0800 (PST), toomey.da...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
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>f.cking simple.  And now you are supporting the Indian family.  Isn=92t
>that adopter halo shining bright?

You are the one that made the comment that I was profiting from sales
of my book. I'm simply pointing out that the profits aren't being
spent on us.

>You could support a whole village in
>India for about $50 a week.

Wow. Point me in the direction of that village please.

> Yes you did the right thing reuniting your
>kids with their family. Big f.cking deal. They were STOLEN from their
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>were a few more HWI=92s available in Australia, we wouldn=92t even be
>having this delightful exchange, would we?

A few more HWI's available in Australia?  Why would that have made any
difference?  If I'd wanted more HWI in our family I would have simply
made more myself.

>Good day to you madam.
>Oh and to all the cobwebbed encrusted losers who have crawled out of
>the Alt.A  crypt. Go f.ck yourselves.

Eloquent as ever.

Julia
jmdjmh@aol.com - 26 Feb 2009 13:51 GMT
On Feb 25, 5:41 pm, toomey.da...@gmail.com wrote:

> > On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:04:11 -0800 (PST), toomey.da...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
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Ah, a victim of brain disease. My apologies, Mr. T.   I hope you find
a cure.

J.
rkb - 28 Feb 2009 07:23 GMT
On Feb 25, 3:41 pm, toomey.da...@gmail.com wrote:

 If there weren’t people like you wanting to ‘save’
> children then there wouldn’t be children stolen for adoption.

No, they would be stolen for even worse purposes. And don't believe it
doesn't happen.
rkb - 28 Feb 2009 22:53 GMT
> On Feb 25, 3:41 pm, toomey.da...@gmail.com wrote:
>
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> No, they would be stolen for even worse purposes. And don't believe it
> doesn't happen.

I should expand on this - in many poor countries, there is in fact a
'market' for children who are too young to defend themselves. If they
are fortunate, they are sold into households as domestic servants,
well-treated, and educated. In a way, this is pernicious because it
sets up a paradigm that desperate poor parents *want* to believe when
they place their children in urban families. And yet in other ways, it
provides an escape from poverty for those children, who learn urban
skills and can go on to do well relative to their rural siblings.

The less fortunate are used as field hands, workers in dangerous
occupations, beggars (maimed and blinded or not) and prostitutes. Some
are murdered.

If children are stolen, frankly, adoption into a loving family is the
*best* possible outcome.
jmdjmh@aol.com - 26 Feb 2009 13:49 GMT
On Feb 23, 8:04�pm, toomey.da...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 23, 12:43�am, kippaherr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
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The mind boggles, Mr. T.  I've participated in discussions with "this
woman" here on alt.adoption and elsewhere for years.  She's been aware
of  and criticized the problems with international adoption for a long
time, beginning well before she learned the truth behind her
children's adoption.   The fact that she finds the process worth
cleaning up is hardly a basis for condemnation.   Your problem,
apparently, is that she doesn't reject international adoption out of
hand.

J.
IA parent, class of '93.
 
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