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From: Marilynn <Marilynn_mem...@newsranger.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 02:55:23 GMT
Local: Tues, Apr 3 2001 9:55 pm
Subject: Re: Iowa and false accusations
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Good luck! Are you a member of CPS Watch yet? It's at www.cpswatch.com.
Marilynn
In article <Ncty6.49543$hf.21149...@news1.elmhst1.il.home.com>, Greg
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>My family is in week 8 of DHS/CPS hell right now in Iowa.
>Obsessive maternal grandmother left her phone number with senile old man
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>have had none, and I was supposed to get some visits after this sick sexual
>exam cleared me, which might explain why they are implying dirt.
>One interview with bad witness written up two substantially different ways.
>Child herself refuted bad witness' accusation.
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> US HHS Contract HHS-105-88-1702 (NCCAN 800/FYI-3366)
> impartiality, respect for individuality, fairness, .....
>At 8 weeks and facing four or more weeks of this crap, we are filing for
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>is less important that getting our family back together now.
>Gree...@hotmail.com
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From: "Greg Hanson" <gree...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 06:34:05 GMT
Local: Sun, Apr 29 2001 1:34 am
Subject: abuse or discipline?
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After all of the witchhunt these last 11 weeks, here is the
meat of what we're accused of:
- Made 7 year old take fast cold shower as consequence for daytime
wetting
- Pushed head under shower spray
- Cluttered house
I could see these justifying parent counseling, but removal of child
for over 11 weeks seems extreme.
Have we come so far that a fast cold shower is viewed as sadism?
PS- Cold shower treatment was highly motivational and worked.
(Was not wetting because of bladder infection.)
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From: "Greg Hanson" <gree...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:47:30 GMT
Local: Sun, Apr 29 2001 10:47 pm
Subject: Re: abuse or discipline?
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Ric: I only partly understand your sarcasm in this response.
I suspect that if I really* let them know that other people are
considering this treatment, they will come after me more. :)
The baseball black eye analogy was sort of disturbing to me.
From one angle it could be construed as making fun of me, which
I can take. I am not so fragile. I can't even be sure about
whether or not you intended to make fun of me. I hope not.
I am not trying to explain away real abuse as sports injury.
(That's the uncertain hint that crossed my mind.)
The angle that seemed stronger and more likely intended was that
a kid needs to pay attention to both softball and bladder.
Failure in either arena results in problems.
So your recommending that I tease them for their 11 week "solution"?
I confess that I feel foolish and naive about how a quick cold shower
becomes sadistic. I've taken many cold showers in my life.
I never felt they were sadistic. Should I see them that way?
Admittedly confused, Greg
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From: "Greg Hanson" <gree...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 00:02:19 GMT
Local: Mon, Apr 30 2001 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: abuse or discipline?
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"Fern5827" <fern5...@aol.com>
> Greg, the child may have a bladder infection. It is daytime accident.
Definately not bladder infection. Frequency gives those away.
> It's a good idea to keep those large sized baby wipes on hand, no alcohol,
> rinse in warm warm to cleanse.
Too big an area, shower less invasive on 7 year old.
> Anyway, CPS should not be INVOLVED. Micromanaging lives doesn't work
anyway.
> Does your boss micromanage your work?
Understood.
Jon,
I grew up in Minnesota, and my ancestry is mostly Norwegian.
My ancestors took saunas and then jumped into snow banks.
I am well aware of what real hypothermia is and this is not.
This child was not wetting because of a physical ailment of any kind,
nor a psychiatric disorder. She just simply didn't want to take time
out of her exciting activities to waste 5 minutes in the bathroom.
1st grader performing at 5th grade level, enormous enthusiasm.
We established the fast cold shower as a consequence for
failing to manage bathroom trips. Her daytime wetting was
and is completely avoidable, as was the consequence.
It worked.
Why can't they presume the good, not the bad?
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From: "Greg Hanson" <gree...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:59:43 GMT
Local: Tues, May 29 2001 2:59 pm
Subject: Fair Psych Eval vs. "Input" from DHS
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I have scheduled a Psych Eval for June 21st, the carrot is visits.
I am not as much concerned that the facility is a stooge for the DHS,
as I am about the "Input" required to even schedule the Psych Eval.
The scheduling person could not even schedule the Psych Eval until
knowing the parameters of just what DHS wants the Psych Eval to
"look for", so that they can report to DHS what they need to
clear me. Apparently, different modules or tests can be set up and
there is a legitimate side of this having to do with time and
facilities
scheduling. On the other side, I don't like that there IS input to
this.
Input parameters/concerns DHS has:
Controlling
Need to be the victim
Domestic Violence
Anger Management Issues
There may be more, as these were passed verbally, and scheduling
person did not tell me what I already knew was input, only
verified what I already knew, no other points.
(In other words, logical reason to suspect more are hidden.)
Another factor that bothers me is that they scheduled 10 more
hours for therapy, after the Psych Eval. (Presuming need!)
(Sure, it might be "just in case" but there's reason to question.)
Coincidentally (not) this ongoing therapy was spelled out in the
"Case Plan" a month back. Hmm....
Controlling? If they knew Lisa, they would not even try that.
Let's just say she has a strong personality. :)
Need to be the victim? The assailant who attempted an
illegal removal by force on removal day Feb 8th now has
a warrant out for his arrest. DHS *IS* abuse.
Overcame DHS perjury accusing me of sexual abuse.
Logic and justice are also victims.
Domestic Abuse? From my past. None here.
My record from 4 years ago makes me an easy target for this.
No credit for having gone through Domestic Abuse classes.
Risk is everything, 2.5 years with Lisa and no incident.
Anger Management? I never needed Anger Management
until my family began suffering DHS ABUSE.
Doesn't this "input" to DHS skew the Psych Eval against me?
Would a letter to the judge about this "input" help?
I feel railroaded.
Greg Hanson
Gree...@hotmail.com