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Family Forum / Pregnancy / Breastfeeding / February 20051 ounce :-(
That's how much milk Lorelei appears to have taken in one 20 minute nursing session at the LC's this afternoon. Also, when she weighed her before the feed, she weighed the same as at the ped's on Wednesday so we've made no progress yet. :-( The LC feels that L's latch may be the problem. She has a slightly receding chin and her lower lip does not flange out at all. The LC said that in the first month my supply was great enough to overcome this problem but since then the supply has been dwindling because of it. She suggested Reglan (I've started that already), fenugreek, blessed thistle, B vitamins, a multi-vitamin, more protein, possibly more fats, more liquid, oatmeal . . . all the usual suspects. :-) She also wants me to pump as much as I can and of course nurse as frequently as possible. We experimented with the football hold, and also with a method of directing the nipple upward and directing her toward it in such a way that her lip flanges properly. The LC thinks that the increased milk supply will overcome the latch problem--I hope she's right. I'm going back on Friday for another weighing. Then we have to be weighed at the ped's on Monday. Leslie, feeling discouraged > The LC thinks that the increased milk supply will overcome the latch > problem--I hope she's right. Aww Leslie. I haven't been responding because I don't really know anything. I do want to let you know that I think if anyone can make this work it is you. Hang in there!  SignatureNikki Thanks, Nikki. I really need encouragement. Right now I'm feeling like the only reason I have been so successful at bf is that I really never had a challenge and that I'll probably end up giving up and opening that can in the pantry when the pediatrician suggests it. :-( Leslie > Thanks, Nikki. I really need encouragement. Right now I'm feeling > like the only reason I have been so successful at bf is that I really > never had a challenge and that I'll probably end up giving up and > opening that can in the pantry when the pediatrician suggests it. :-( > > Leslie I know what you mean - bf was easy both times for me, and I worried about what I'd do if I had a challenge. Just remember all the stories you've been reading here on mkb of women who have overcome even bigger challenges, and hang in there. (I'm thinking Karen EP'ing for her son with the cleft palate, for example.) And remember, rule one is: feed the child. (((hugs))) Irene <<Just remember all the stories you've been reading here on mkb of women who have overcome even bigger challenges, and hang in there. (I'm thinking Karen EP'ing for her son with the cleft palate, for example.) >> That was amazing of her, and I am so in awe of those who have pumped for a year so their babies never had formula. I can get out maybe three ounces now and I am so proud. :-) On the upside, I think things are getting better. I will post an update tomorrow after I see the LC again, but Lorelei is no longer screaming at the breast, she nurses happily without falling off and then lets go on her own, she is very happy, and last night she screamed at the bottle of EBM and would not take it till after nursing and fast asleep. So I'd say my supply is up, anyway. Leslie > On the upside, I think things are getting better. I will post an > update tomorrow after I see the LC again, but Lorelei is no longer > screaming at the breast, she nurses happily without falling off and > then lets go on her own, she is very happy, and last night she screamed > at the bottle of EBM and would not take it till after nursing and fast > asleep. So I'd say my supply is up, anyway. woohoo! glad to hear that! Signature-Sara:) Mommy to DD, 3 Very Soon And DS, Very New > Thanks, Nikki. I really need encouragement. Right now I'm feeling > like the only reason I have been so successful at bf is that I really > never had a challenge and that I'll probably end up giving up and > opening that can in the pantry when the pediatrician suggests it. :-( You know, the priority is making sure she gets fed. If you get so down that you end up opening the can, it's not the end of the world. You're doing good with the cards you have. *Hugs* Jess << You're doing good with the cards you have. *Hugs*>> Thanks, Jess. Leslie > << You're doing good > with the cards you have. *Hugs*>> > > Thanks, Jess. NP. :) Jess > We experimented with the football hold, and also with a method of > directing the nipple upward and directing her toward it in such a way > that her lip flanges properly. i remember being told to aim the nipple toward the baby's nose instead of at the mouth directly -- that gets the latch right and gets the lower lip flanged. also, pulling down on the baby's chin after she's latched on will flange her lip. you probably knew those things, but i figured i'd throw them out. > Leslie, feeling discouraged (((hugs))) -- you guys will get this! your lc sounds fabulous! i can't even imagine how frustrating and upsetting this must be for you, especially since you're not new to bf'ing. good luck -- i'll keep you and lorelei in my thoughts and prayers. Signature-Sara:) Mommy to DD, 3 Very Soon And DS, Very New Sara said: <<i remember being told to aim the nipple toward the baby's nose instead of at the mouth directly -- that gets the latch right and gets the lower lip flanged.>> I think that's sort of what the LC was trying to show me. << also, pulling down on the baby's chin after she's latched on will flange her lip. you probably knew those things, but i figured i'd throw them out.>> We tried that today, but she just falls off. > Leslie, feeling discouraged <<(((hugs))) -- you guys will get this! your lc sounds fabulous! i can't even imagine how frustrating and upsetting this must be for you, especially since you're not new to bf'ing.>> That's exactly it--I thought this was one thing I absolutely knew how to do. << good luck -- i'll keep you and lorelei in my thoughts and prayers.>> That means a lot, Sara. Thanks you. Leslie Geez, this has been coming up so often lately... but maybe you should have her evaluated for tongue tie if she has such a latch problem. That might be the problem. I thought of it after I read the receding chin and latch comment. Good luck, Larry : That's how much milk Lorelei appears to have taken in one 20 minute : nursing session at the LC's this afternoon. : Also, when she weighed her before the feed, she weighed the same as at : the ped's on Wednesday so we've made no progress yet. :-( : The LC feels that L's latch may be the problem. She has a slightly : receding chin and her lower lip does not flange out at all. The LC : said that in the first month my supply was great enough to overcome : this problem but since then the supply has been dwindling because of : it. : She suggested Reglan (I've started that already), fenugreek, blessed : thistle, B vitamins, a multi-vitamin, more protein, possibly more fats, : more liquid, oatmeal . . . all the usual suspects. :-) : She also wants me to pump as much as I can and of course nurse as : frequently as possible. : We experimented with the football hold, and also with a method of : directing the nipple upward and directing her toward it in such a way : that her lip flanges properly. : The LC thinks that the increased milk supply will overcome the latch : problem--I hope she's right. : I'm going back on Friday for another weighing. Then we have to be : weighed at the ped's on Monday. : Leslie, feeling discouraged Larry, I think you may have something there. She certainly doesn't seem to be able to raise it very far. I have looked at some online pictures and when she wakes up I am going to take another look. Thanks. Leslie I replied to one of your threads a few days back but after composing the whole thing hit the wrong button and it vanished. Sorry no reply sooner -- I've been slammed at work and am pooped :-( Best of luck with all you're doing to fix this. I hope your visits Friday and Monday are a little more encouraging. If they're not, don't feel like a failure. You're no more a failure than Lorelei is, and I'm sure the thought of that is patently absurd to you. If you have to supplement, formula is not the elixir of evil. My views on formula have mellowed considerably since starting to work in pediatrics. Anything that happens to a couple percent of people is something that we see all the time, and in my few short months as a pediatrician I've seen a lot of babies who benefit greatly from having formula as an option. I'm in the NICU right now and many of these babies would not be alive if IV nutrition and formula weren't available to them. Both IV nutrition and formula are less than ideal, neither should be used when it's not really needed, but both are wonderful to have when they are needed. I'm rooting for you that pumping will help increase your supply, and that if Lorelei isn't yet a vigorous enough feeder to get all she needs from the breast that you'll be able to make up the difference with pumped milk. With everything you're doing my bet is you may well be able to. But if not she can thrive on breastmilk with a bit of supplementation until she's a stronger feeder, you get more milk, or she starts making up the difference with solid feeds. Try not to get too discouraged -- either way you'll have a sweet, beautiful, growing and thriving baby girl. Kate, ignorant foot soldier of the medical cartel and the Bug, 20 months <<Try not to get too discouraged -- either way you'll have a sweet, beautiful, growing and thriving baby girl. >> Thanks for your post, Kate. I'm starting to think things are getting better--I'll post more tomorrow after I see the LC. Leslie : <<Try not to get too discouraged -- either way you'll have a : sweet, beautiful, growing and thriving baby girl. >> : Thanks for your post, Kate. I'm starting to think things are getting : better--I'll post more tomorrow after I see the LC. : Leslie Glad to hear things are looking up. Larry > <<Try not to get too discouraged -- either way you'll have a > sweet, beautiful, growing and thriving baby girl. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Leslie Glad to hear things are looking better and look forward to hearing more. Kate, ignorant foot soldier of the medical cartel and the Bug, 20 months |
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