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Family Forum / Pregnancy / Breastfeeding / July 2005I am so angry
Went to church this evening with DD2, 5 weeks old. It was a packed service and I had no choice but to sit next to a male. DD2 needed a feed, so I fed her, I didn't think twice about it. After the service one of the paid staff of the church approached me and asked me (well told me) to breastfeed at the back of the church or in the other room in the future as it made the person next to me very uncomfortable.I was to angry to argue about it at the time but I will be contacting them in the next week. I have only ever been asked not to bf 4 times in the time I have bf all 3 of my children and 3 of those times have been from this church it sooooo pisses me off. (the other time was a mcdonalds) Now correct me if I am wrong but isnt against the law for them to tell me not to bf here in australia. Oh and it wasnt like I wasnt thinking of the guy beside me I was very aware that he was there and tryed to be as descreet as possible, I tryed to feed on the right side so as to be not right next to him but DD2 kept fussing and in the end I had to switch her to the left which is her prefered side. This has so annoyed me that I am seriously considering whether this is really the church for me, and I have been with this church for 5 years now so that is a big statement. I hate to think what they will be like when DD2 is a toddler and she wants to feed!!!! Anyway I have decided that even though they have told me not to feed in the main church area I will continue to anyway as my understanding is that I have the legal right to do so. And if I am told to leave again I will probably leave the church for good. Cheri Mum to Sean and Jasmine (3years) Tara (5 weeks) http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/out.html cheri, you have the legal right to breastfeed where you damm well like. this happend to a friend of mine just now in a shop, and the breastfeeding asn is sending her some info on her rights. i dont blame you for being mad, what an old fart to tell you not to feed. hang on, he didnt even have the guts to tell you himself. squirt breast milk on him next time. get the minister to do a sermon on the topic. in fact, if i was you, if the church does not support you on this one, then yes, i'd find a new church. good luck, let us know what happens chris > Went to church this evening with DD2, 5 weeks old. It was a packed > service and I had no choice but to sit next to a male. DD2 needed a feed, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Mum to Sean and Jasmine (3years) > Tara (5 weeks) > http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/out.html >squirt breast > milk on him next time. ROFL! melissa > chris > http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/out.html > > cheri, you have the legal right to breastfeed where you damm well like. > this happend to a friend of mine just now in a shop, and the breastfeeding > asn is sending her some info on her rights. Yep you are 100% correct :) It is discrimination if you ask a breastfeeding mother not to feed. When you contact them next week advise them that they are breaking the law. Aussie Lurker >> http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/out.html >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Aussie Lurker Oh Cherie I empathize with you 110%. You do have the right to bf your baby where ever you need to. However, if I'm reading your OP correctly, they didn't ask you not to bf her at all just to move to the back of the sanctuary to do it. Do I agree with them? Hell no. Do I think they have a moral right to ask this of you? Again, Hell no. But they did not tell you you couldn't bf your baby so legally I don't think there is anything you can do in that regard. However, I would definately talk to the priest, pastor, vicar...whatever and let him/her know that this not the kind of tolerance one would expect from a church. That you don't like being made to feel like a criminal for feeding your baby and that while it would make you sad to do so you just might have to find another church with a more tolerant and progressive outlook. One thing that doesn't change no matter what country you're in, churches "hate" to lose members. Good luck. {{{{{{Cherie}}}}}} Angela  SignatureOh, you can't help that," said the Cat."we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.""How do you know I'm mad?". said Alice."You must be," said the Cat,"or you wouldn't have come here.". >>> http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/out.html >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > you you couldn't bf your baby so legally I don't think there is anything > you can do in that regard. I disagree. She was told to move, which means she was told she couldn't breastfeed where she was. So if the laws where she is protect the rights of a BF mother to breastfeed *wherever* she is legally allowed to be, the law will be on her side. SignatureAmy Mum to Carlos born sleeping 20/11/02, & Ana born screaming 30/06/04 http://www.freewebs.com/carlos2002/ http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/a/ana%5Fj%5F2004/ My blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/querer-hijo-querer-hija/ > Oh Cherie I empathize with you 110%. You do have the right to bf your > baby where ever you need to. However, if I'm reading your OP correctly, > they didn't ask you not to bf her at all just to move to the back of the > sanctuary to do it. Yes you're right I missed that point. I had my first child in 1986 and then started my "second" family in 1998. I was looking forward to the change in attitude towards breastfeeding as I had struck MANY problems when I breastfed my first. Well guess what.............there was NO change in attitude!!!!!!! I was still made to feel that I was doing something wrong. I can still remember an exchange with a woman in Hobart when I was breastfeeding my 3rd it was 2002 and when I politely explained to her that I was doing something completely natural she said "sh.tting is natural would you like me to do that in front of you". LOL. The only problem I ever had in church though was that I nearly started a fire. It was Christmas Eve 1998 and I was holding my sleeping bub and a song sheet and a lit candle. Mmmm recipe almost for disaster, I was able to blow the flames out and ended up with 1/2 a song sheet that was rather singed. :) Aussie Lurker Hence the reason most churches have carols with out the candles now!!!! >> Oh Cherie I empathize with you 110%. You do have the right to bf your >> baby where ever you need to. However, if I'm reading your OP correctly, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Aussie Lurker >> Oh Cherie I empathize with you 110%. You do have the right to bf your >> baby where ever you need to. However, if I'm reading your OP correctly, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > completely natural she said "sh.tting is natural would you like me to do > that in front of you". LOL. I would have told her, "Whatever knocks your socks off, Lady." ;o) > The only problem I ever had in church though was that I nearly started a > fire. It was Christmas Eve 1998 and I was holding my sleeping bub and a > song sheet and a lit candle. Mmmm recipe almost for disaster, I was able > to blow the flames out and ended up with 1/2 a song sheet that was rather > singed. :) I would have had a heart attack! Did you save the song sheet? It would have made a good story to tell your children later. Angela >>> Oh Cherie I empathize with you 110%. You do have the right to bf your >>> baby where ever you need to. However, if I'm reading your OP correctly, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > I would have had a heart attack! Did you save the song sheet? It would > have made a good story to tell your children later. I did keep it and we have a good giggle about it. Jordan says "tell us the story about how when I was a baby you nearly burnt the church down". LOL Aussie Lurker > "However, if I'm reading your OP correctly, they > didn't ask you not to bf her at all just to move to the back of the > sanctuary to do it. They still can't ask you to move unless you are somewhere you aren't legally aloud to be. Its the same was as if they'd asked somebody of aboriginal or Asian decent to move ... its the same principle of discrimination that applies. Amanda >> http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/out.html >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Aussie Lurker But technically they didn't ask her not to breastfeed, they asked her to breastfeed somewhere else. ~Shell >>> http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/out.html >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > But technically they didn't ask her not to breastfeed, they asked her to > breastfeed somewhere else. That doesn't matter. They're preventing her from breastfeeding wherever she is legally allowed to be. What if they'd asked her to breastfeed down the street, or at home? Technically they wouldn't be asking her not to breastfeed. They should have suggested to the person who took issue with it that they move instead. SignatureAmy Mum to Carlos born sleeping 20/11/02, & Ana born screaming 30/06/04 http://www.freewebs.com/carlos2002/ http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/a/ana%5Fj%5F2004/ My blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/querer-hijo-querer-hija/ >>>> http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/out.html >>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > They should have suggested to the person who took issue with it that they > move instead. Yes, they should have. ~Shell Yeah but isnt it against the law still, I mean really it is no different to being told you will have to move to the toilet to feed, I thought the idea of the act was to make it that you had the right to feed whenever and wherever you liked, I may be wrong though. Cheri >>> http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/out.html >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > ~Shell > Yeah but isnt it against the law still, I mean really it is no different to > being told you will have to move to the toilet to feed, I thought the idea [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >snipped.. > > But technically they didn't ask her not to breastfeed, they asked her to > > breastfeed somewhere else. > > > > ~Shell I agree - I always thought the purpose of the law was to handle exactly these kinds of situations. If it is ok to bottlefeed the baby there, then it would be discriminatory to ask a bf Mum to move. He could have moved if it was upsetting him that much. let us know what the church says about it. cheers Leah > Yeah but isnt it against the law still, I mean really it is no different > to being told you will have to move to the toilet to feed, I thought the > idea of the act was to make it that you had the right to feed whenever and > wherever you liked, I may be wrong though. ugh. b'feeding in the loo's, how hygienic :( You could have a point - esp if it is your traditional breezy church - asking you to sit down the back is asking you to sit in a draft and catch your death of cold ! > >> http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/out.html > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > But technically they didn't ask her not to breastfeed, they asked her to > breastfeed somewhere else. They still can't ask you to move. Amanda > http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/out.html > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > good luck, let us know what happens If i'd said it first, this is exactly what I would have said. Good luck - it must be terrible to feel an outcast in your own church :( > Went to church this evening with DD2, 5 weeks old. It was a packed service > and I had no choice but to sit next to a male. DD2 needed a feed, so I fed [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Mum to Sean and Jasmine (3years) > Tara (5 weeks) Since you are calling it a church, I am assuming it is a christian denomination. So....I guess I'd remind them that Mary was a nursing mom. There are even some old paintings of Mary nursing Jesus. Maybe you could have one of the images made into a t-shirt and wear it to the next service (or maybe hold a nurse-in with everyone wearing them). http://www.catholiccompany.com/product_detail.cfm?ID=4979 http://www.si.umich.edu/Art_History/demoarea/details/NO065.html http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/viewOne.asp?dep=11&isHighlight=0&viewmode= 1&item=41.190.13 http://fototapeta.art.pl/fti-takuya.html http://www.denverartmuseum.org/pub/fut_3.cfm http://www.royalacademy.org.uk/ixbin/hixclient.exe?submit-button=search&search-f orm=artist_record.html&_IXARTIST_=8118 The above are just a few of the images of the Madonna nursing Jesus that I found online. The last one in particular is quite interesting since Jesus looks to be an older baby/toddler since he has a full head of hair and fills the madonna's lap. According to one site I found, the oldest image of Mary, found in the Catacomb of Priscilla in Rome, depicts her nursing Jesus. Oh...I forgot...Promom.org has a fine art gallery with lots of Madonna and Child imnages. Good Luck. I think that unless you confront them and lead a campaign to educate the parishioners that you are going to have ongoing problems. Annette > Good Luck. I think that unless you confront them and lead a campaign > to > educate the parishioners that you are going to have ongoing problems. ITA. If this happened to me, I would do (at the very least) all of the following: 1) contact the head of the church and educate him/her about the law; 2) continue to attend services and NIP as needed; 3) contact the media and/or stage a nurse-in if necessary. As I've grown older, I find that I'm less afraid to stand up for myself and be a bitch when necessary. The right to NIP is something that I feel *very* passionate about, and I would never just let something like this slide. Good luck, Cheri! Mary >> Good Luck. I think that unless you confront them and lead a campaign to >> educate the parishioners that you are going to have ongoing problems. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > law; 2) continue to attend services and NIP as needed; 3) contact the > media and/or stage a nurse-in if necessary. Or erect a great big sign featuring a large pair of breasts on their front lawn, with the message "Breastmilk - perfected by God" and _then_ invite the news media ;-) SignatureAmy Mum to Carlos born sleeping 20/11/02, & Ana born screaming 30/06/04 http://www.freewebs.com/carlos2002/ http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/a/ana%5Fj%5F2004/ My blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/querer-hijo-querer-hija/ >>> Good Luck. I think that unless you confront them and lead a campaign >>> to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > front lawn, with the message "Breastmilk - perfected by God" and > _then_ invite the news media ;-) I like your idea more. ;) Mary > Went to church this evening with DD2, 5 weeks old. It was a packed > service and I had no choice but to sit next to a male. DD2 needed a feed, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > legal right to do so. And if I am told to leave again I will probably > leave the church for good. I'd tell them that if they didn't like it, take it up with Mary. She breastfed too. ;) Jess I think this is the perfect situation for the "Jesus was Breastfed" t-shirt... now if I could just remember where I put that link...... > I think this is the perfect situation for the "Jesus was Breastfed" > t-shirt... now if I could just remember where I put that link...... http://www.cafepress.com/birthright.11454912 SignatureBabies are such nice ways to start people. > Went to church this evening with DD2, 5 weeks old. It was a packed service > and I had no choice but to sit next to a male. DD2 needed a feed, so I fed > her, I didn't think twice about it. After the service one of the paid staff > of snipped... I will continue to anyway as my understanding > is that I have the legal right to do so. And if I am told to leave again I > will probably leave the church for good. > > Cheri > Mum to Sean and Jasmine (3years) > Tara (5 weeks) Definitely take this further - be polite but firm. If they dont agree, then maybe this is not the church for you. Why do these people insist on being offended by something like this - I would practically guarantee that you would not have been showing more than a micro-millimetre of flesh so he would have to have been trying pretty hard to see something he shouldnt. Was the guy old or young? This has never happened to me - that it has happened to you with 3 of your 4 times being in this church is a very telling fact - they seriously need some education on this issue. good luck Leah The guy was in his late 20s i think, and the staff member said to me he is single and we have to understand that single males look at breasts only as sexual things.....well good for him but I am not going to stop bfing just cause he doesnt realise what breasts are really for! Cheri >> Went to church this evening with DD2, 5 weeks old. It was a packed > service [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > good luck > Leah > The guy was in his late 20s i think, and the staff member said to me he is > single and we have to understand that single males look at breasts only as > sexual things.....well good for him but I am not going to stop bfing just > cause he doesnt realise what breasts are really for! > > Cheri I dont understand that attitude - they have to understand that such ridiculous attitudes need to be sorted out quick smart with some education. Why was he looking at your breasts ? Breastfeeding does not mean exposing your breasts - it means feeding a hungry baby. I think you need to donate some artwork to this church - surely an appropriate poster of Madonna and child is drastically needed there. cheers Leah > The guy was in his late 20s i think, and the staff member said to me > he is single and we have to understand that single males look at > breasts only as sexual things..... um, that's his/their issue, not yours. He should repent for having such wicked thoughts anyway, lol. Look who the sinner is - not you ;) > The guy was in his late 20s i think, and the staff member said to me he is > single and we have to understand that single males look at breasts only as > sexual things.....well good for him but I am not going to stop bfing just > cause he doesnt realise what breasts are really for! All the more reason to teach him because one day he may have children and want them breastfed. I'm totally on your side! -- Anita -- > The guy was in his late 20s i think, and the staff member said to me he is > single and we have to understand that single males look at breasts only as > sexual things.....well good for him but I am not going to stop bfing just > cause he doesnt realise what breasts are really for! What a right royal cockchop. You dont have to understand anything of the sort, what a load of rubbish. And then they wonder why church numbers dwindle. Inamorata -Those that mind dont matter. The ones that matter dont mind. > What a right royal cockchop. You get me everytime.. I have spent the last 10 minutes giggling.. SignatureKelly Mummy to Emily (12 Aug 01) and Isabella (5 Dec 02) > Went to church this evening with DD2, 5 weeks old. It was a packed service > and I had no choice but to sit next to a male. DD2 needed a feed, so I fed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > next to me very uncomfortable. >snip bf story< . And if I am told to leave again I > will probably leave the church for good. > > Cheri > Mum to Sean and Jasmine (3years) > Tara (5 weeks) Ask the minister if it would be ok to bottle feed the baby in your seat. More than likely he will say yes that is acceptable. Then ask him "So you prefer I do things mans way rather than God's way?" N > Ask the minister if it would be ok to bottle feed the baby in your > seat. More than likely he will say yes that is acceptable. Then > ask him "So you prefer I do things mans way rather than God's way?" wow. that's *good* SignatureBabies are such nice ways to start people. > Ask the minister if it would be ok to bottle feed the baby in your seat. > More than likely he will say yes that is acceptable. Then ask him "So > you prefer I do things mans way rather than God's way?" > N That is brilliant !!! Very clever !!! Sindy Wife to 1 Mummy to Cooper > Went to church this evening with DD2, 5 weeks old. It was a packed service > and I had no choice but to sit next to a male. DD2 needed a feed, so I fed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > next to me very uncomfortable.I was to angry to argue about it at the time > but I will be contacting them in the next week. I think your anger is completely justified. I hope you do contact them about it. Good luck. >Anyway I have decided that even though they have told me not to >feed in the main church area I will continue to anyway as my understanding >is that I have the legal right to do so. And if I am told to leave again I >will probably leave the church for good. better they had told you to leave, then you could of resorted to the discrimination act. i would be really screaming at the minister, about this insulting behaviour. I hope you take up the advice to take this further - but please let us know what happens! Congratulations for realising you're in the right, and not be a shrinking violet to please others. :) Jo Mum to William, 8 weeks old. I will take it further, I should have said something at the time but I was too angry and I had a screaming baby to deal with as well, but I will definately be contacting them probably in writing, that way I can get accross some of the things that I would otherwise forget in the heat of the moment. I am sure they would contact me after receiving it as I am sure they would not want me to leave the church, particularly since I am very involved in the running of the preschooler program. Cheri Mum to Sean, Jasmine (3years) Tara(5weeks) > I hope you take up the advice to take this further - but please let us > know what happens! Congratulations for realising you're in the right, and > not be a shrinking violet to please others. :) > > Jo > Mum to William, 8 weeks old. cheri, as a male of the species, i'd have to say that i'm appalled by what has happened to you. you've been treated very poorly indeed. you are certainly not the criminal. nor are you the person with the problem. was it discrimination? would you have been asked to move on if your baby was being bottle fed? if the answer was no, then i'd say it was most definitely discrimination. best to get a proper legal opinion on that. i do like the "man's way" vs "god's way" argument used in this thread. as for the "sh.tting is natural too" argument - what a load of toss! where are the laws saying i can sh.t in public? imho, if i had a choice of having a hungry baby next to me that will no doubt cry or a quietly feeding baby; i know where i'd cast my vote. definitely do put in a complaint; if not for yourself, then for others who might have to put up with this sort of crap. derek as for mcdonalds... perhaps their objection was more along the lines of patrons consuming foods not purchased on the premises ;) but seriously, maccas ought to know better. Just wanted to say I certainly get why you're angry, and it makes me angry even hearing about it. I only had one bad NIP experience, on a flight when DD was 3 months, and I was too insecure about the whole NIP thing at the time to really stand up for myself and it still pisses me off thinking about it. I wrote the airline, but got a really lame apology and will never fly USAir again. But church is even worse- these are supposed to be family oriented people who support you. My response now? "Sorry, my daughter has inherited my mammalian condition, so she needs to nurse on a regular basis. Surely you can sympathize." JJ > Went to church this evening with DD2, 5 weeks old. It was a packed service > and I had no choice but to sit next to a male. DD2 needed a feed, so I fed [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > was a mcdonalds) Now correct me if I am wrong but isnt against the law for > them to tell me not to bf here in australia. the fact that they've had the same reaction on other occasions tells me that you either have a lot of work to do or you need to find somewhere more baby-friendly. Try talking to the minister. In most cases they know what's what -- it's the junior ones that don't. I cannot imagine that happening in my church! (Mine's a small suburban church, with -- alas! -- too much room in the pews. Are you anywhere near Berala in Sydney? :-) The guy next to you must have tried quite hard to get an eyeful! SignatureChookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "In Melbourne there is plenty of vigour and eagerness, but there is nothing worth being eager or vigorous about." Francis Adams, The Australians, 1893. Im in South East Melbourne, and we have just changed to Saturday evening services from 6pm-7.30pm (instead of Sunday 9.30am) and since it has changed the church has been packed, I used to be able to arrive only 5 minutes before the service and could easily get a seat but on Saturday I arrived 10minutes prior and still only just got a seat, admittedly Shaun Hart was preaching this week so that probably boosted the numbers. Cheri >> Went to church this evening with DD2, 5 weeks old. It was a packed >> service [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > The guy next to you must have tried quite hard to get an eyeful! > Im in South East Melbourne, and we have just changed to Saturday evening > services from 6pm-7.30pm (instead of Sunday 9.30am) and since it has > changed the church has been packed, I used to be able to arrive only 5 > minutes before the service and could easily get a seat but on Saturday I > arrived 10minutes prior and still only just got a seat, admittedly Shaun > Hart was preaching this week so that probably boosted the numbers. I had to google to find out who that was - lol ;) > > arrived 10minutes prior and still only just got a seat, admittedly Shaun > > Hart was preaching this week so that probably boosted the numbers. > > I had to google to find out who that was - lol ;) So did I -- if he were truly blessed he'd play League! SignatureChookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "In Melbourne there is plenty of vigour and eagerness, but there is nothing worth being eager or vigorous about." Francis Adams, The Australians, 1893. Chookie skrev: > I cannot imagine that happening in my church! (Mine's a small suburban > church, with -- alas! -- too much room in the pews. Are you anywhere near > Berala in Sydney? :-) When we went to a christening talk with our minister/priest/vicar/can't tell_the_difference she said: And as you are sitting up front you can nurse as you like - you don't have to feel embarrassed as I'm the only one to see and I like the sight (she was a grandmother at the time). But again - this is Denmark where there are no BF laws. I don't think it would be necessary. It would be like having a law that says it's legal to breathe anywhere you please. Tine, Denmark > Chookie skrev: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Tine, Denmark It's amazing how things are different in other parts of the world. My DH is from Denmark. On our first date my son was about 7 months old. I reluctantly NIP right in front of him and he never flinched. He continued the conversation as if it was the most natural common thing. Considering this was our 1st date and we're both in the U.S., his reaction really impressed me! Not to assume, but I would expect American boys to cringe and feel awkward if someone did that on the 1st date! I'm expecting my 2nd and my DH's parents were just here for a month and it never occured to them that I would bottle feed. It was just assumed I would breastfeed. ~Shell Justin 7/12/00 Baby EDD Oct 25 >> Chookie skrev: >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > and it never occured to them that I would bottle feed. It was just > assumed I would breastfeed. Danes are a natural people :-) Here, you can stay at the hospital with your firstborn until the bf is working (or at the patient's hotel for free). The healthcare staff associated with pregnancy and birth do a lot of work telling the women about bf'ing. I have only heard about a woman one single time who _choose_ not to bf (and she is pretty much in the defensive because that is so unusual here). Cofee shops here have claimed that nursing mothers are a problem. Not because of the show of breasts or nipples but because whole mothers groups would invade a café and sit there for hours not buying anything and their children would crawl anywere and generally be so loud that other customers fled. Restaurants has protested over mothers, too. For changing dipers on the tables in the restaurant! So... I guess here in Denmark, the mothers have a solid grip on their rights ;-) Seriously, I think nothern europe tends to take nudity a bit less serious than USA. And that includes an occational nipple when bf. SignatureInger Marie Brunsgaard (from Denmark) Please remove "nospam_" from my email adress if you reply to my message Shell skrev: > It's amazing how things are different in other parts of the world. My DH is > from Denmark. On our first date my son was about 7 months old. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > never occured to them that I would bottle feed. It was just assumed I would > breastfeed. I don't know any adult males who haven't at some point or another seen a nursing mother. And I've NEVER seen anybody cover baby or breast with blankets or wear nursing clothes (in fact I've never seen any in a shop). I guess your DH was just immunized from an early age on :-) Apart from that: a nude breast is no big deal here. Tine, Denmark > I don't know any adult males who haven't at some point or another > seen a nursing mother. And I've NEVER seen anybody cover baby or > breast with blankets or wear nursing clothes (in fact I've never seen > any in a shop). I used a pashmina when I was out&about, but that was for my ease of comfort. So soft and light and drapey, and looked nice too - made a nice little blankie if he fell asleep in my arms, so it worked for us on many levels. He still likes my pashmina :) "Shell" <Lady_Arcadia@DuranDuran.com> wrote in message >On our first date my son was about 7 months old. I > reluctantly NIP right in front of him and he never flinched. He continued > the conversation as if it was the most natural common thing. Considering > this was our 1st date and we're both in the U.S., his reaction really > impressed me! Not to assume, but I would expect American boys to cringe and > feel awkward if someone did that on the 1st date! I am sure they would cringe. However, I cannot imagine taking a baby or any children for that matter on a first date. SignatureSue (mom to three girls) |
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