Nanny 911 hostile to attachment parenting?
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Donna Metler - 26 Jul 2005 02:32 GMT Did anyone see Nanny 911 tonight? It really bothered me how opposed the Nanny was to even having the 8 month old in bed with the mom and dad-even though the mom mentions nursing, or to the mom even lying down with the older boys as they went to sleep for a short time, or to the mother carrying the 8 month old around with her as she did daily tasks. I mean, what's wrong with a baby being with mommy? My baby is more of the free range type, but believe me, she doesn't want mommy anywhere out of eyesight-and if daddy is home, wants him nearby as well! That's part of being 8 months old. It just really got me.
 Signature Donna DeVore Metler Orff Music Specialist/Band/Choir Mother to Angel Brian Anthony 1/1/2002, 22 weeks, severe PE/HELLP And Allison Joy, 11/25/04 (35 weeks, PIH, Pre-term labor)
Christina - 26 Jul 2005 02:35 GMT > Did anyone see Nanny 911 tonight? It really bothered me how opposed the > Nanny was to even having the 8 month old in bed with the mom and dad-even [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > home, wants him nearby as well! That's part of being 8 months old. It just > really got me. yeah, i saw that too...what got me was nanny saying the mom had attachment "issues" with her children...
christina (nanny would think i have issues too :) )
Shell - 26 Jul 2005 02:55 GMT > Did anyone see Nanny 911 tonight? It really bothered me how opposed the > Nanny was to even having the 8 month old in bed with the mom and dad-even [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > home, wants him nearby as well! That's part of being 8 months old. It just > really got me. I didn't see it tonight but I remember it from the original airing. IIRC the dad was sleeping on the couch. I have no problem with attachment parenting, but when it starts affecting the parent's relationship I think it's an issue.
~Shell
Jodi - 26 Jul 2005 04:20 GMT >> Did anyone see Nanny 911 tonight? It really bothered me how opposed the >> Nanny was to even having the 8 month old in bed with the mom and dad-even [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > parenting, but when it starts affecting the parent's relationship I think > it's an issue. Not to mention, it wasn't that she wanted the 8-month-old nursling in bed, it was that the mom couldn't handle having *any* of the kids in their own beds (even though the kids seemed fine with it). From the show, it really didn't seem like she was co-sleeping because it was in the best interest of the kids (or family as a whole) -- she was co-sleeping because she couldn't handle the idea of the kids being okay without her.
--Jodi
Marie - 26 Jul 2005 16:50 GMT > > Did anyone see Nanny 911 tonight? It really bothered me how opposed the > > Nanny was to even having the 8 month old in bed with the mom and dad-even [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > ~Shell No, this father slept in the bed. AP isn't the issue. From what I watched, both parents were clueless about AP methods, raising children in general, and their marriage. They reminded me of children raising their children.
Marie DD-17 mo
KC - 26 Jul 2005 21:07 GMT > I didn't see it tonight but I remember it from the original airing. IIRC > the dad was sleeping on the couch. I have no problem with attachment > parenting, but when it starts affecting the parent's relationship I think > it's an issue. > > ~Shell I didn't see it either, but my dh and I opt not to sleep together. I sleep with the baby on a mattress on the floor when we have an infant. That way he gets plenty of rest, and I feel safer with the baby just in bed with me. It doesn't affect our relationship. We are solid. It always irks me that people think something is wrong if a couple doesn't sleep together. It doesn't mean we don't cuddle together alot, and do everything else married couples do. We are just doing what makes us happiest, getting good sleep.
KC
Shell - 28 Jul 2005 01:02 GMT >> I didn't see it tonight but I remember it from the original airing. IIRC >> the dad was sleeping on the couch. I have no problem with attachment [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > everything else married couples do. We are just doing what makes us > happiest, getting good sleep. I strongly feel that if parents aren't close physically (not just sex) and maintaining that physical contact it does affect marriages. Too often parent's don't sleep together, it becomes habit, routine, etc... and oh! hey! look at that! we're roomates now. And physical needs as a couple do not get met.
I'm speaking in general terms, but that's what I see a lot. If it works for you, awesome :-) It sounds like you're getting the cuddling quota in. ;-)
~Shell
Renee - 26 Jul 2005 04:01 GMT > Did anyone see Nanny 911 tonight? It really bothered me how opposed the > Nanny was to even having the 8 month old in bed with the mom and dad-even [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Mother to Angel Brian Anthony 1/1/2002, 22 weeks, severe PE/HELLP > And Allison Joy, 11/25/04 (35 weeks, PIH, Pre-term labor) I watched that episode and thought that someone here would say something about it.
That family had some real problems that did need to be fixed, at least. The older son spanking the younger son, the younger son peeing outside, and the father spending time with his birds instead of helping the mom in the morning.
Renee
Marie - 26 Jul 2005 16:57 GMT > Did anyone see Nanny 911 tonight? It really bothered me how opposed the > Nanny was to even having the 8 month old in bed with the mom and dad-even [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > home, wants him nearby as well! That's part of being 8 months old. It just > really got me. Well, what do you expect from an English nanny taught in the old traditional ways of raising children? :) I wasn't surprised that she was opposed to the mom carrying the 8-month-old around frequently, not that I agreed with it.
Unfortunately, though, this mom made AP look bad in other areas and reinforced the common misconceptions towards AP. I couldn't believe how unsafe cosleeping was for the 8-month-old in the crowded family bed.
Marie DD-17 mo
Dagny - 26 Jul 2005 20:30 GMT > Unfortunately, though, this mom made AP look bad in other areas and > reinforced the common misconceptions towards AP. I couldn't believe how > unsafe cosleeping was for the 8-month-old in the crowded family bed. With an 8-month-old? My six month old is nearly 20 pounds ... I'm not likely to smother him ... ????
Of course I did not see the show to know what they were doing.
Donna Metler - 26 Jul 2005 20:51 GMT > > Unfortunately, though, this mom made AP look bad in other areas and > > reinforced the common misconceptions towards AP. I couldn't believe how [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Of course I did not see the show to know what they were doing. Well, she was very definitely NOT following safe co-sleeping rules. Among other things, the 8 month old was shown as being on the outside of mommy, and while there was a bedrail, it wasn't anywhere near big enough given that 8 month olds are pretty mobile. There was also no control on the bedding, and there was enough of it to be a hazard. But, the reason given for the baby needing to sleep in her own bed wasn't that they weren't co-sleeping safely, but that it was emotionally "unhealthy" to co-sleep at all.
But I still don't see what was so wrong with the mother playing with an obviously wide awake baby even though the schedule says it was naptime, or with her lying down next to her son while he was going to sleep in his own bed! And I don't believe for a second that co-sleeping with a 6 yr old is going to confuse him as to his role in the household, or that he wanted to replace daddy.
There were obvious problems which needed to be addressed-but a lot of the things which the nanny kept harping on the mother about were things which made me wonder just what she'd say about me? I mean, my daughter sort of has a schedule, but it's evolved based on what her internal clock seems to want-everything has about an hour or so launch window when it usually happens, but it's all subject to change based on baby desires and needs.
Marie - 26 Jul 2005 21:21 GMT > > Unfortunately, though, this mom made AP look bad in other areas and > > reinforced the common misconceptions towards AP. I couldn't believe how [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Of course I did not see the show to know what they were doing. Oh, no. I am all for cosleeping, and I cosleep with my DD.
In an up-close shot, the family (father, 6-yo boy, 3-yo boy, mother, and 8-mo girl) was shown sleeping in the same bed, nearly on top of each other like in a can of sardines. The baby was between the mother and what at first looked like no safety barrier on their side of the bed. Later, in the background when the mother was filmed in her bedroom, there was an itty-bitty bed rail on that side of the bed.
For safe cosleeping, the bed should be large and roomy enough for the parents and the baby. Preferably, a stronger rail or the crib alongside the bed would be needed if they were to continue to cosleep. For the baby that young, it would be safer not to have older and bigger siblings in the same bed with her b/c they might not be careful and aware of her in their sleep. It just bothered me to see her sleeping in what seemed like an unsafe situation to me.
Marie DD-17 mo
KC - 26 Jul 2005 21:11 GMT I didn't see it, but I usually like the discipline things they teach, but dislike their rigidity. They took away bedtime sippy cups of water one time from some toddlers, and I didn't like that. I am a softy, and like to baby my babies. However their discipline advice has helped me to get my older kids behaving better.
KC
> Did anyone see Nanny 911 tonight? It really bothered me how opposed the > Nanny was to even having the 8 month old in bed with the mom and dad-even [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Mother to Angel Brian Anthony 1/1/2002, 22 weeks, severe PE/HELLP > And Allison Joy, 11/25/04 (35 weeks, PIH, Pre-term labor)
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