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Can I have my Zoloft now please? <rant>

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Mum of Two - 24 Jan 2006 13:06 GMT
Ok, now I'm annoyed. I saw a new Dr. today because mine hasn't been helpful
with treating my PPD. I told the new Dr. that despite my history of having
tried many antidepressants in the past, and being against the idea of using
them while pg or bf, I'd finally resolved my issues with this and wanted to
try Zoloft.
Dr. was very sceptical. Asked if I'd tried other treatment, told me all
antidepressants crossed into the breastmilk, and suggested I consider
weaning at DD's age if I wanted to try antidepressant treatment. I said I
had looked into it, and would like a low dose of Zoloft, thankyou. She said
she'd never heard of Zoloft, and asked if I'd been reading an American
website. She then gave me a prescription for Aropax, or Paxil

I went home and Googled it, came up with the New Zealand Ministry of Health
website which said Zoloft was available in New Zealand! I rang the Dr. back,
and again asked for a script for Zoloft, so she asked for the generic name
and told me it may not be subsidised or suitable for PND and she'd look into
it, sounded very doubtful. I told her I believed it was suitable for PND,
and could she call me back.

In the meantime, I was in town and spoke with the pharmacy who told me that
while Zoloft was not automatically subsidised, a GP could request a code for
it to be subsidised for certain circumstances - i.e. a breastfeeding mother
with PPD you would think! Sure enough though, I came home to an answerphone
message telling me that Zoloft was not a subsidised medication and would
cost me $90 a month, which I can't afford on my changed personal
circumstances. I rang back and left a message with what I found out, and
requesting that she contact me, so I've yet to hear back.

I am sick to death of GP's who think they are lactation specialists,
psychiatrists, paediatricians, etc, etc. FFS, why does no-one have the
confidence in themselves to admit they don't know a lot in a particular area
but will refer or find the information out? It's not a competition and we
can't all be f'ing specialists in every field. Is this a Kiwi thing? I have
yet to meet a GP who doesn't think like this. They are all so freaking
defensive. I don't want someone who pretends to be the damned Delphic
oracle, I want someone who is confident in their ability, can admit areas of
weakness, and is prepared to have open communication with a patient who is
interested in her own health and the health of her child. I don't care if
they have a difference of opinion, I'm adult enough to handle that.

It just makes me wonder how many mothers with PPD, especially those on lower
incomes, are scared into either weaning early or compromising their own
health, and are not told of their options. How many mothers in New Zealand
who were 'unable to make enough milk' were really closet PPD sufferers who
weren't properly helped or informed by their GP's, and were afraid of
harming their babies? F*ck. I can see I'm going to have to lobby Pharmac
until Zoloft is a fully funded medication.

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Anne Rogers - 24 Jan 2006 15:08 GMT
sorry you are having to fight this, I know my GP wouldn't prescribe any
SSRIs whilst I was breastfeeding, but he did after waiting for a little
longer than I feel he should refer me on to a psychiatrist, which was the
right thing to do. Personally my experience has led me to a belief that anti
depressants should only be presribed by psychiatrists, have you considered
asking for referral? as this has been a long term problem, getting the right
treatment could be crucial.

Cheers

Anne
Mum of Two - 28 Jan 2006 08:46 GMT
> sorry you are having to fight this, I know my GP wouldn't prescribe any
> SSRIs whilst I was breastfeeding, but he did after waiting for a little
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> considered asking for referral? as this has been a long term problem,
> getting the right treatment could be crucial.

I've seen a psychiatrist in the past, but there's a long waiting list for
them now. I also don't want to be told to wean, yadda yadda. I'm comfortable
with taking a low dose of Zoloft, but I draw the line there. I don't think
I'm ill enough to warrant radical anti-depressant therapy, but having BTDT
I'd like to treat it *before* I get there this time. I've decided that GP's
in general know diddly-squat about most medications, particularly in
relation to breastfeeding, and IME I'm better off talking to the pharmacist,
the best part being that they're free. I've got in the habit of double
checking and researching everything I'm prescribed, because you really don't
get the same story twice.

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Anne Rogers - 28 Jan 2006 11:00 GMT
> I've seen a psychiatrist in the past, but there's a long waiting list for
> them now. I also don't want to be told to wean, yadda yadda. I'm
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> habit of double checking and researching everything I'm prescribed,
> because you really don't get the same story twice.

if you find a good psychiatrist they should actually guide you in the what
you are actually saying you want to do, obviously that is not the solution
right now, but given you have had problems in the past, in the long term it
might be a good idea. As you know I was very ill with postnatal depression
after Nathanael, meaning I've been under psychiatric care, which has been of
varying standards. Because of the timeing of my second pregnancy I ended up
remaining on low dose Zoloft throughout and even my not so good psychiatrist
was completely accepting of me saying I will breastfeed for at least a year
and worked around that, in exactly the same way he worked around pregnancy.
He then retired and I got a really good female psychiatrist and she has been
really excellent and entirely on the preventative front, I have really not
been ill this time, but I have been up to almost the highest dose of Zoloft
and then come down to a middling dose. There is nothing to suggest currently
that my issues are anything put perinatal, so I'll likely be discharged
within 6-8 months, but if we decided to have another child, I'd want to be
back under the care of a psychiatrist from early pregnancy.

Cheers

Anne
Me Myself and I - 24 Jan 2006 19:09 GMT
I have no experience with anti-depressants but I have experienced 2
healthcare systems one in the UK and the one here in NZ.  I have found in
both as soon as you mention that people in America use ......... whatever
drug you are talking about, or that you saw the information on a website
they bloody well clam up.  Almost like they think you are some freaking
hypochondriac that spends their time finding diseases on the net.

I never found a way round this sh.t.  It only ended when I found my
fantastic doctor here in NZ.  He actually admits if he has never heard of
something then he looks it up.

I don't know what to suggest in your case.  You could see another doctor but
if you go to another surgery that's going to cost a lot :(  I'm just hoping
your doctor contacts the pharmacy and finds out that yes she can get a code
to get it subsidised.  Geeze the way the doc was acting you would think she
was paying for the drug.

I'm sorry you are going through this sh.t and I hope it can be sorted soon.

Hugs

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> Ok, now I'm annoyed. I saw a new Dr. today because mine hasn't been
> helpful with treating my PPD. I told the new Dr. that despite my history
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> afraid of harming their babies? F*ck. I can see I'm going to have to lobby
> Pharmac until Zoloft is a fully funded medication.
Mum of Two - 28 Jan 2006 08:52 GMT
>I have no experience with anti-depressants but I have experienced 2
>healthcare systems one in the UK and the one here in NZ.  I have found in
>both as soon as you mention that people in America use ......... whatever
>drug you are talking about, or that you saw the information on a website
>they bloody well clam up.  Almost like they think you are some freaking
>hypochondriac that spends their time finding diseases on the net.

No sh!t! Health care here is like some kind of dictatorship. I know there
must be a lot of people who make things complicated for their doctors and
that it's very time consuming, but I made this Dr's job easy. I did it for
her, in fact. If I was a GP, I'd hope I had the confidence in myself to
actually be *glad* when a patient was interested in his/her health, and I'd
make an effort to learn. Training doesn't end at medical school, it begins
there.

> I never found a way round this sh.t.  It only ended when I found my
> fantastic doctor here in NZ.  He actually admits if he has never heard of
> something then he looks it up.

I wish I could have your Dr! I'm just not willing to relocate for a GP
unfortunately ;-) Tempting, but no.

> I don't know what to suggest in your case.  You could see another doctor
> but if you go to another surgery that's going to cost a lot :(  I'm just
> hoping your doctor contacts the pharmacy and finds out that yes she can
> get a code to get it subsidised.  Geeze the way the doc was acting you
> would think she was paying for the drug.

I considered going back to my usual Dr, but then I've spent a fair bit of
money on her in the past too, and doctor-shopping gets expensive. I called
her back yesterday anyhow, and it seems she's going to contact Pharmac, and
the approval takes about a week, so fingers crossed.

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nannyogg@samael.demon.co.uk - 24 Jan 2006 22:20 GMT
<snip of typically frustrating story>
> FFS, why does no-one have the
> confidence in themselves to admit they don't know a lot in a particular area
> but will refer or find the information out? It's not a competition and we
> can't all be f'ing specialists in every field. Is this a Kiwi thing?

Oh, no.  It's the same in the UK.  As coincidence has it, I wrote a
blog post commenting on this just a couple of weeks back, talking about
how this affected breastfeeding advice.

During our medical training, if we dare to actually ask the doctors who
are meant to be teaching us a question about anything, we're met with a
scornful glare and a "Well, you tell me!  You're meant to know this by
now."  So we get the message that asking for help is wrong, that it's
better to guess blindly.

I'm so sorry you had to deal with this.  Well done for fighting and
good luck getting your medication.

All the best,

Sarah
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But how do we _know_ that no-one ever said on their deathbed that they
wished they'd spent more time at the office?
Mum of Two - 28 Jan 2006 08:54 GMT
> <snip of typically frustrating story>
>> FFS, why does no-one have the
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> I'm so sorry you had to deal with this.  Well done for fighting and
> good luck getting your medication.

Thanks Sarah! It's nice to know I'm not a raving, paranoid loon, though I do
wish this problem wasn't so widespread. Thanks for understanding. I have to
wait a week now, so here's hoping my application for funding gets approved.
I'll go down other avenues if I have to, but I really want this one to be
easy :-/

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KC - 25 Jan 2006 07:53 GMT
Is NZ a place with govt healthcare?  It sounds like it by how you say
that the GP doesn't want to refer or to Rx more costly drugs.  Here in
the US we have different problems because of the healthcare insurance
system.  Here doctors frequently like to do nothing the first visit,
and say well lets watch that.  Yeah, I wanted to drive across town,
wait in your waiting room and pay you a copay in order to get no
treatment.  Then they will Rx the least likely thing to fix it on the
next visit.  Eventually after many different doctor visits and much
money in the doctors pocket, they will give you the proper cure.  They
do eventually refer though.  Then the doctor they refer you to may send
you on the same run around as the GP.  The plus for us is that they
have no problem Rxing the more costly meds, and in my experience the
costly meds are covered by insurance.  No matter whether it's govt or
insurance company paying, the service sure does stink.

KC

> Ok, now I'm annoyed. I saw a new Dr. today because mine hasn't been helpful
> with treating my PPD. I told the new Dr. that despite my history of having
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> http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/a/ana%5Fj%5F2004/
> My blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/querer-hijo-querer-hija/
Sue - 25 Jan 2006 14:29 GMT
> Is NZ a place with govt healthcare?  It sounds like it by how you say
> that the GP doesn't want to refer or to Rx more costly drugs.  Here in
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>
> KC

I haven't had this experience at all. I did just want to point out that not
all US doctors are this way. I went to my doctor, told her I was depressed
and knew it. I filled out a questionairre and talked at length with my
doctor and she gave me two month's worth of samples to try (different
medications in case one didn't work) and a prescription for the one she
thought would work and away I went. I have had no troubles at all getting a
referral (actually I don't need a referral, I can just see whoever I want)
to see a specialist. It's really too bad that NZ doesn't take depression
seriously. There are problems everywhere of course with the health system
and nothing is perfect, but I have to say that I have been very happy with
our care. And I am a very lucky person to be able to say that.
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Anne Rogers - 25 Jan 2006 21:14 GMT
> doctor and she gave me two month's worth of samples to try (different
> medications in case one didn't work)

actually that's quite concerning, you need to take antidepressants for
several weeks to see what the effects are, plus any side effects tend to go
away after a short time if you continue through them

Anne
Sue - 26 Jan 2006 10:21 GMT
"Anne Rogers" <annekh23@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> actually that's quite concerning, you need to take antidepressants for
> several weeks to see what the effects are, plus any side effects tend to go
> away after a short time if you continue through them

I am aware of that Anne and that's what the plan was. My doctor did it this
way because she was leaving the country for a while and wanted to make sure
that I had coverage.
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Anne Rogers - 26 Jan 2006 11:56 GMT
> "Anne Rogers" <annekh23@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> actually that's quite concerning, you need to take antidepressants for
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> sure
> that I had coverage.

IC, the way you phrased it it sounded like she just gave you a handful of
pills with no clear instructions for follow up, which would not be a good
thing, best practice would not be what KC experienced, but nor would it be
what you experienced (although given the circumstances that was best
possible practice).

Cheers

Anne
Mum of Two - 28 Jan 2006 09:28 GMT
> It's really too bad that NZ doesn't take depression
> seriously.

I have to agree there. Perhaps it's the 'chin up, she'll be right' attitude?
I don't know. All I know is that for all the advertisements and glossy
pamphlets supporting people living with depression, when you have a three
month old baby and PND and are told by the maternal and child mental health
services that you won't be seen by their services because they take it on a
'case-by-case basis' - even though you've had a stillbirth, have a partner
having a mental breakdown and have a history of depression yourself - then
meet with a complete lack of knowledge or effort to find out more about the
compatibility of antidepressants & breastfeeding, and you realise the
support really isn't there.

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Mum of Two - 28 Jan 2006 08:59 GMT
> Is NZ a place with govt healthcare?  It sounds like it by how you say
> that the GP doesn't want to refer or to Rx more costly drugs.

Yes it is. I don't know what the full cost of Aropax/Paxil is though, is it
cheaper? They make decisions over which drugs to fund here, and it does at
times put people's lives in jeopardy. Especially when you're talking about
the really expensive ones, a young kidney transplant patient here was denied
continued funding for a more expensive drug, when the cheaper one had
resulted in the faliure of a previous transplant as he reacted badly to it.
I guess I shouldn't hold out much hope for my 'happy pills' if they're
prepared to let teenage kidney patients die :-/

Here in
> the US we have different problems because of the healthcare insurance
> system.  Here doctors frequently like to do nothing the first visit,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> costly meds are covered by insurance.  No matter whether it's govt or
> insurance company paying, the service sure does stink.

I agree. There really is no perfect system. I appreciate our public health
system as I would have trouble paying for insurance, but our system too is
full of holes. You think it's working really well, until you fall on the
wrong side of it.

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cvantien@gmail.com - 25 Jan 2006 09:32 GMT
> Ok, now I'm annoyed. I saw a new Dr. today because mine hasn't been helpful
> with treating my PPD. I told the new Dr. that despite my history of having
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
> harming their babies? F*ck. I can see I'm going to have to lobby Pharmac
> until Zoloft is a fully funded medication.

I'm in Aus, and I'm on Zoloft.  My GP told me it was the most suitable
antidepressant for a breastfeeding mother and gave me a sample packet
to use in case I couldn't get a prescription filled immediately.  NZ
seems to really have a bit of a little-man-syndrome about authorising
new medications (as does Aus when it comes to stuff we haven't tested
ourselves) if they won't agree to either Implanon or Zoloft as fully
funded medications.

Cheryl
Mum of Two - 28 Jan 2006 09:32 GMT
> I'm in Aus, and I'm on Zoloft.  My GP told me it was the most suitable
> antidepressant for a breastfeeding mother and gave me a sample packet
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> ourselves) if they won't agree to either Implanon or Zoloft as fully
> funded medications.

It sounds like you have a good GP. We do have the medication authorised, but
I think it has more to do with our budget-conscious public health system.
We'll see if I get it, I guess. If I don't I'll be raising a stink about it,
because it's just not right...there are so many breastfeeding mothers with
PND who should have the option of the most suitable antidepressant, should
they want and need antidepressant therapy. How are you finding the Zoloft?
I'm a little bit concerned about going back on SSRI's due to weight gain, as
it's a problem I'm already battling.

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oregonchick - 26 Jan 2006 17:46 GMT
stoooooopid retarded @#$@#!#$$!!!$#$ doctors.  That's all I have to say.
Sounds like my experience.  Only I came home with Celexa.  I haven't taken
any though...

> Ok, now I'm annoyed. I saw a new Dr. today because mine hasn't been
> helpful with treating my PPD. I told the new Dr. that despite my history
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> afraid of harming their babies? F*ck. I can see I'm going to have to lobby
> Pharmac until Zoloft is a fully funded medication.
Mum of Two - 28 Jan 2006 09:33 GMT
> stoooooopid retarded @#$@#!#$$!!!$#$ doctors.  That's all I have to say.
> Sounds like my experience.  Only I came home with Celexa.  I haven't taken
> any though...

How did you get on? Did you go back to your Dr.? I can't believe we're all
having such similar experiences simultaneously. It's a sad situation :-(

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