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Notchalk - 16 Sep 2006 14:16 GMT
It's me again...

Just wondering if anyone thinks I should be worried about static weight
in my lil boy.  He has been the same weight since 11 months old, and
he's now almost 16 mo.  Still has chubby cheeks, still night feeds,
still doesn't eat much solids.

Tonight we are going to try "nini's milk" (night weaning;))

Jo

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Notchalk - 16 Sep 2006 15:13 GMT
> It's me again...
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> Jo

P.S. he is 8.7kg or 19lbs

Hence, lil boy ;)

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col - 16 Sep 2006 21:48 GMT
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> --

hi
I dont think you should worry a lot of baby stay a the same weight for
a while especial at this age
Is he walking yet and what age did he start? because that can be why he
isnt putting on weight just burns it off everytime
What does your health visiter say? If she not worried I wouldnt be
As for the eatin my son has never been a big eater as long as he still
having his milk he having somthing which is the main thing
Good luck with ninis milk
If your stillworried get him checked Im sure hes fine but there
nothing like reasurance
Notchalk - 17 Sep 2006 01:43 GMT
>  hi
> I dont think you should worry a lot of baby stay a the same weight for
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>  If your stillworried get him checked Im sure hes fine but there
> nothing like reasurance

Hi :)

He has been walking since just before 13 months, and yes, he is always
on the go!
Next visit to CHN is in 2 months time, so I'll see what she says then.

Last night's "nini's milk" went ok - he only fed at 4am and 7:30am
(after a bedtime feed at 7pm)  DH was able to resettle him when he woke
between 7pm and 4am though without TOO much trouble.  So he went a good
9 hours without a BF for the first time.  Today I'm just going to make
sure I offer him something to eat every 1/2 hour or so ;)

Thanks :)

Jo
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col - 16 Sep 2006 21:48 GMT
> > It's me again...
> >
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> --

hi
I dont think you should worry a lot of baby stay a the same weight for
a while especial at this age
Is he walking yet and what age did he start? because that can be why he
isnt putting on weight just burns it off everytime
What does your health visiter say? If she not worried I wouldnt be
As for the eatin my son has never been a big eater as long as he still
having his milk he having somthing which is the main thing
Good luck with ninis milk
If your stillworried get him checked Im sure hes fine but there
nothing like reasurance
Irrational Number - 17 Sep 2006 04:55 GMT
> It's me again...
>
> Just wondering if anyone thinks I should be worried about static weight
> in my lil boy.  He has been the same weight since 11 months old, and
> he's now almost 16 mo.  Still has chubby cheeks, still night feeds,
> still doesn't eat much solids.

Is he increasing in height?

-- Anita --
Notchalk - 17 Sep 2006 10:08 GMT
>> It's me again...
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> -- Anita --

a bit, yes... but I just checked and he's dropped off the charts in
that area, too.  At least he's thorough!

Jo
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Melissa - 17 Sep 2006 16:37 GMT
My lil guy has done the same thing.  (Not increased in weight and increased
about 1/2 inch between his 12 month and 15 month appts).  My pediatrician
said as long as he was reaching his milestones, seemed happy, and was eating
not to be concerned.  Kids have different growing cycles (my lil guy started
out in the 95% all around and now is down in the 45 for weight and 50 for
height...still 95% in headsize though, his daddy has a big head too!) So as
long as everything seems good..I wouldn't worry too much, just keep an eye
out etc.  Glad to hear the night weaning went well!

Melissa Walton
Mom to Connor born 05/24/05
Notchalk - 18 Sep 2006 01:18 GMT
> My lil guy has done the same thing.  (Not increased in weight and
> increased about 1/2 inch between his 12 month and 15 month appts).  My
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> Melissa Walton
> Mom to Connor born 05/24/05

Will was on the 50th %ile and is now below the 3rd.  Technically he
should be considered FTT but looking at his chubby cheeks, I know he's
not.  He's getting smarter each day, climbing up anything, adding more
words, running, all that stuff. I guess I was just after people's
thoughts on whether they would be worried in the same situation.

Thanks, Melissa!

Jo (Mum to Will, born 3 days after Connor)

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npardue@indiana.edu - 18 Sep 2006 17:42 GMT
> Will was on the 50th %ile and is now below the 3rd.  Technically he
> should be considered FTT but looking at his chubby cheeks, I know he's
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>
> Thanks, Melissa!

Since you are asking, yes, I would be concerned.  While it's certainly
not abnormal for weight gain to slow, or for babies to gradually drop
down percentiles, to my mind NO weight gain for 5 months in an infant
or toddler is a red flag, especially when that lack of gain drops him
off the bottom on the charts  (My daughter went throw periods of slow
gain, and hovered around the 5th percentile,  but even during those
times she gained SOMETHING ... typically around 8 ounces in the 3
months between appointments/weight checks.) If he was a poor eater that
might explain it, but given that he's still nursing often and eating
some solid foods ... well ... it doesn't seem quite right.

There could be nothing wrong, but I think it's better to check and find
nothing than to not check and miss something treatable.  I'd ask the
ped about running some tests.

Naomi
Notchalk - 19 Sep 2006 12:42 GMT
> Since you are asking, yes, I would be concerned.  While it's certainly
> not abnormal for weight gain to slow, or for babies to gradually drop
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> ped about running some tests.
> Naomi

Thanks for your honesty, Naomi.

There is a drop-in weight clinic in the morning which I am going to
take him in to, and see what they think.  The whole picture seems to me
that he's fine (given my husband's history of tiny growth until he was
15) but it's the numbers that are getting to me.

He IS a poor eater - that is until the last 3 days when we've night
weaned him (pretty much cold turkey, just to get him hungry).  It's
seeming to work so far.  He actually ate 1/2 a weetbix for breakfast
this morning, rather than a single teaspoon of whatever I've ever
offered him.

I've had him to the GP 3 times in the last few months for his eczema
and asthma, and just as an aside mentioned his weight (needed it for
the prednisolone dose) and he didn't bat an eyelid.  I think if it was
a way out, "He's TINY" then he'd make some kind of noise other than a
nod ;)

Anyway, thanks again for your advice :)

Jo

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Anne Rogers - 19 Sep 2006 14:40 GMT
> I've had him to the GP 3 times in the last few months for his eczema and
> asthma, and just as an aside mentioned his weight (needed it for the
> prednisolone dose) and he didn't bat an eyelid.  I think if it was a way
> out, "He's TINY" then he'd make some kind of noise other than a nod ;)

I think that's because as a one off, yes it's small, but it isn't tiny, my
first was below this weight through all the time yours has been this weight,
but he was increasing. He's even smaller proportionally now and as a one off
weighing we never get a comment, I think in the end, with both boys and
girls charts very few people actually know without looking what a normal
range of weights are for any given age.

FWIW I agree with Naomi, I suspect it's far more behavioural, that night
weaning and persistance with getting a good amount of solids in is likely to
sort things out (also, remember, that even with the right amount of calories
going in, if not enough sleep is occuring, it will be burned up with staying
awake, rather than growing), but with zero weight gain I'd want some checks,
myself, I'd particularly ask for a celiac disease check. We've just been
through similar with our 3 year old, we haven't got the test results back
yet, but the paed said in the end, if he's behaving in a healthy way,
developing normally etc. the chances of anything being wrong are very slim,
but you can't ignore it forever either and a few simple tests mostly likely
puts ones mind at rest and a less worried parent is going to be a better
parent when it comes to encouraging routines and habits that are going to
help the child thrive.

Cheers

Anne
Notchalk - 20 Sep 2006 04:41 GMT
> FWIW I agree with Naomi, I suspect it's far more behavioural, that
> night weaning and persistance with getting a good amount of solids in
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> Anne

That makes sense, Anne.  He has always woken several times a night, and
once awake for the day, is ALWAYS on the go and wanting attention.  He
is in the "spirited" or "high needs" category ;)

I am wondering what the signs of coeliac disease are - I thought there
would be abdominal cramping or other bowel symptoms?

I got him weighed this morning and on the same scales at 12 months old
he was 8.2kg, and he's now 8.7kg, so that IS a gain, however small.  He
has also grown 6cm in height...  I measured him myself the other day
and it wasn't so accurate, it seems.

Anyway, I'll ask the doc about some tests next time I go see him for
the inevitable eczema or asthma and see what he thinks :)

Thanks, Anne.

Jo
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Anne Rogers - 21 Sep 2006 14:43 GMT
> That makes sense, Anne.  He has always woken several times a night, and
> once awake for the day, is ALWAYS on the go and wanting attention.  He is
> in the "spirited" or "high needs" category ;)

I think my DS was the same, but his weight gain improved so much when he
stopped waking up and eating 3 times a night!

> I am wondering what the signs of coeliac disease are - I thought there
> would be abdominal cramping or other bowel symptoms?

there are usually, but it can be silent, or silent with the exception of
lack of weight gain

> I got him weighed this morning and on the same scales at 12 months old he
> was 8.2kg, and he's now 8.7kg, so that IS a gain, however small.  He has
> also grown 6cm in height...  I measured him myself the other day and it
> wasn't so accurate, it seems.

that seems a lot better, ok, so it's only a pound in 3 months, but weight
gain does have to slow down at some point! I'm be leaping around and
rejoicing if my toddler put on a pound in 3 months!

cheers

Anne
npardue@indiana.edu - 19 Sep 2006 16:51 GMT
..

> He IS a poor eater - that is until the last 3 days when we've night
> weaned him (pretty much cold turkey, just to get him hungry).  It's
> seeming to work so far.  He actually ate 1/2 a weetbix for breakfast
> this morning, rather than a single teaspoon of whatever I've ever
> offered him.

He's been a poor eater of solids, but he was, if I understood your
post, still taking a lot of breastmilk.

> I've had him to the GP 3 times in the last few months for his eczema
> and asthma, and just as an aside mentioned his weight (needed it for
> the prednisolone dose) and he didn't bat an eyelid.  I think if it was
> a way out, "He's TINY" then he'd make some kind of noise other than a
> nod ;)

FWIW, if he's on steroids a lot, that could be a factor.  Steroids,
esp, in high doses, can slow growth.  Definitely something to ask the
doc about, esp. if he's taking the steroids more than just
occassionally, and/or not tapering the dose.

Naomi

> Anyway, thanks again for your advice :)
>
> Jo
Notchalk - 20 Sep 2006 04:47 GMT
> ..
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> He's been a poor eater of solids, but he was, if I understood your
> post, still taking a lot of breastmilk.

Yup, he was taking as much as he wanted - never more though, I would
often still be leaking from letdown once he'd decided he'd had enough.

>> I've had him to the GP 3 times in the last few months for his eczema
>> and asthma, and just as an aside mentioned his weight (needed it for
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> doc about, esp. if he's taking the steroids more than just
> occassionally, and/or not tapering the dose.

He is on steroid cream for his skin, and he's been on prednisolone only
twice for his cough (asthma).  We are trialling a non-steroid cream atm
that is TWICE the price - seems to work but not as well/fast.  I hate
using steroids, but one of the paeds at work says you end up using less
if you use a tiny bit each day rather than a good dose every few days
for the flareups.

:)

Thanks,
Jo

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jmm_ny@hotmail.com - 19 Sep 2006 19:22 GMT
> I've had him to the GP 3 times in the last few months for his eczema
> and asthma, and just as an aside mentioned his weight (needed it for
> the prednisolone dose) and he didn't bat an eyelid.  I think if it was
> a way out, "He's TINY" then he'd make some kind of noise other than a
> nod ;)

Whoah - Eczema and asthma...that threw up some red flags to me.  My
little guy was born in the 99th percentile and by 6 months had slipped
off the charts and he also had severe eczema on his face.  He didn't
gain any weight between his 2 month and his 6 month appointment.  At
that time my pediatrician had him RAST (ie blood) tested for food
allergies.  He came up with some significant numbers for milk, soy and
eggs.  I removed them from my diet and the eczema continued.  A couple
months later I went to an allergist and she did more RAST testing for
wheat, peanut, almond, sweet potato (because we thought he was
reacting), dust mite and cat.  He came up positive for ALL except sweet
potato and dust mite.  Since eliminating his allergens, he's a MUCH
happier baby and is gaining weight.  He's also sleeping much better
too!

Consider bringing up the possibilities of food allergies at your next
ped visit.  Good luck!  This email doessn't work, but post if you want
me to contact you with any other info.

Joanne M. - BF mom avoiding all J's allergens
Jeremy - 10/05 RAST+ to: milk, soy, egg, wheat, peanut, almond, cat -
first steps this week!
Nathan - 09/02 No known allergies and TERRIFIC big brother
npardue@indiana.edu - 19 Sep 2006 20:49 GMT
>  I removed them from my diet and the eczema continued.  A couple
> months later I went to an allergist and she did more RAST testing for
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> happier baby and is gaining weight.  He's also sleeping much better
> too!

So you no longer eat cats?  ;-) (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Naomi
jmm_ny@hotmail.com - 20 Sep 2006 03:15 GMT
> >  I removed them from my diet and the eczema continued.  A couple
> > months later I went to an allergist and she did more RAST testing for
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>
> Naomi

hee hee hee...I wrote a post over on kidswithfoodallergies.com to a
woman with a daughter with a similar allergy list and of the same age
as my son.  I mentioned that we could have an allergy free wedding in
20 years or so.  She joked that she was working on a milk, soy, egg,
wheat, peanut, tree nut and cat free wedding cake.  The whole "cat free
wedding cake" had me giggling for days.
Notchalk - 20 Sep 2006 05:02 GMT
>> I removed them from my diet and the eczema continued.  A couple
>> months later I went to an allergist and she did more RAST testing for
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>
> Naomi

But they are so tasty!  ;)

I think cat is a very common allergen - I've been allergic to them for
longer than I can remember.  Can't touch one then touch my face/eyes or
there'll be hives galore.... and lots of itching.

But I do like them

Jo
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Beth Kevles - 20 Sep 2006 13:09 GMT
Hi --

Remember that the allergy tests (rast and skin both) are okay, but not
excellent.  They work better as you get older, but never approach 100%.
Which means that if you have a child with symptoms of allergy (ie
eczema) then it makes sense to try out an elimination diet.  If you do
one in conjunction with a food diary, you get a MUCH more reliable
indicator or what his allergies may be.

You may find the book "Is This Your Child" by Dr. Doris Rapp to be
interesting reading.  You should be able to get it at your local
library, and it's a pretty easy read.

Good luck with the allergies,
--Beth Kevles
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 Disclaimer:  Nothing in this message should be construed as medical
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Notchalk - 20 Sep 2006 04:58 GMT
>> I've had him to the GP 3 times in the last few months for his eczema
>> and asthma, and just as an aside mentioned his weight (needed it for
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> first steps this week!
> Nathan - 09/02 No known allergies and TERRIFIC big brother

Yup that was one of my first thoughts, too. He has had 2 RASTs done,
one pre solids and one just recently. First one came up clear, second
one came us as allergic to animals (dog, cat, horse and/or cow) and
dust/mites and cockroaches (!!??).  Our dogs are outside and I already
knew he was allergic to them... a single lick on the cheek comes up in
welts.  So we make sure to wash thoroughly after going outside.

I was surprised that dairy, eggs, peanuts, wheat, etc came up as
negative, so it seems he does not have any food allergies.  However I'm
still skeptical.  He is now having soy milk on his cereal, and soy
yoghurt, but is still having small bits of cheese.  His IgE came up as
257 when it should be below 6, so taht shows his immune system has a
large tendancy to overreact to stuff in general.  None of this
surprises me, given our family history.  I sometimes think I'm being
selfish for having a baby with our family history of inconvenient
ailments!

I do find that if his skin is clear for a day, that is the day he'll
sleep better, so we are being more dilligent with putting cream on his
itchy bits instead of holding off on the steroids.

His lovely clear skin was marred yesterday by the swimming pool
chlorine at his lesson - must shower him off after lessons!

Thnks, Joanne!

Jo (also a Joanne)
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jeni_steers@yahoo.co.uk - 22 Sep 2006 16:16 GMT
> I was surprised that dairy, eggs, peanuts, wheat, etc came up as
> negative, so it seems he does not have any food allergies.  However I'm
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> selfish for having a baby with our family history of inconvenient
> ailments!

I don't know if this is useful or not but ds recently went for a skin
prick test for egg allergy. It came up negative. However, his vomiting
episodes after eating egg clearly indicate he is *intolerant* to eggs.
We firgured this out for ourselves before the test and the paed
confirmed this for us. This means it doesn't affect his immune systyem
but his gastric one (I know there is a proper word for it but it
escapes me now). It seems my niece has the same problem. She has
stomach aches from eating any dairy and eggs. Her tests for allergies
came back mostly negative or mild, but it's clear she is intolerant to
some foods.

It was very frustrating looking into this subject because most sites I
looked at did not make clear the difference between an allergy and an
intolerance and hardly any of them mentioned egg intolerance, only
lactose/dairy.

Good luck with the tests. I can imagine it is worrying but without
being an expert I would day having an todller constantly on the go has
got to be a good sign. We have one of those to (except he's too lazy to
toddle just yet:) - exhausting but fun!

Jeni
Notchalk - 24 Sep 2006 14:04 GMT
>> I was surprised that dairy, eggs, peanuts, wheat, etc came up as
>> negative, so it seems he does not have any food allergies.  However I'm
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>
> Jeni

hehe it is exhausting but fun!

Well, for the first time EVER, Will slept through the whole night from
8pm till almost 6am the other night, and last night he only woke once
briefly about 11pm.

Tonight he ate more for dinner than he ever has before and still had a
breastfeed before bed.

This night weaning thing is so far working wonders for his appetite
during the day, and slowly positively impacting his sleeping patterns.

I think we're onto a winner.

DH is intollerant to eggs, too.  I've not noticed any issues with Will
and eggs - he likes them. But I still have it in the back of my mind.  
I haven't gone the skin prick route yet.  His eczema isn't horribly bad
atm, since changing to a bit of soy - milk on cereal, yoghurt (not a
favourite) and some tofu for fun.  Then I read that a glass of soy milk
is like giving him 3 OCPs worth of oestrogen!  So going to go back to
dairy for a bit and see if his skin flares up again.  Trouble is the
chlorine from the heated swimming pool at lessons once a week messes up
the elimination diet results ;)

*sigh* we'll work it out.  Things are starting to work out well now, anyway.

Thanks for posting!!

Jo
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Chookie - 20 Sep 2006 05:45 GMT
> Just wondering if anyone thinks I should be worried about static weight
> in my lil boy.  He has been the same weight since 11 months old, and
> he's now almost 16 mo.  Still has chubby cheeks, still night feeds,
> still doesn't eat much solids.

IIRC from a recent ABA meeting:  he should be growing in weight, height or
head circ, but not necessarily all of them.  He should be meeting his
milestones and producing the requisite number of wet nappies.  Happy and
content is good too.

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