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Julie - 10 Nov 2007 19:24 GMT
Hi, I'm Julie, and I found out about this group through a search engine. My 9 month old baby girl is on a nursing strike. She has a cold, and the first day she had it she tried eating and couldn't breath. She ended up biting me really hard, and my mom had told me if she does that to say OUCH so she would know. Well, instead of it preventing her biting, she's not eating at all. She absolutely refuses to nurse, and throws a fit when I try. I could deal with that, but she is hardly drinking anything. She doesn't like bottles, and doesn't drink enough from a cup. She's been SO FUSSY for a couple days now, and I don't know how to get her to nurse again. Can anyone help????

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Julie - 10 Nov 2007 19:26 GMT
I also wanted to mention, she only had three barely wet diapers yesterday. I know she's not getting enough fluids. I try to give her a cup of breastmilk every chance I get, but its obviously not enough.... I don't know what to do..........

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 Hi, I'm Julie, and I found out about this group through a search engine. My 9 month old baby girl is on a nursing strike. She has a cold, and the first day she had it she tried eating and couldn't breath. She ended up biting me really hard, and my mom had told me if she does that to say OUCH so she would know. Well, instead of it preventing her biting, she's not eating at all. She absolutely refuses to nurse, and throws a fit when I try. I could deal with that, but she is hardly drinking anything. She doesn't like bottles, and doesn't drink enough from a cup. She's been SO FUSSY for a couple days now, and I don't know how to get her to nurse again. Can anyone help????

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Anne Rogers - 11 Nov 2007 06:04 GMT
> I also wanted to mention, she only had three barely wet diapers
> yesterday. I know she's not getting enough fluids. I try to give her a
> cup of breastmilk every chance I get, but its obviously not enough.... I
> don't know what to do..........

I already replied including watch her carefully, babies need help sooner
than older children with simple illnesses. I think with only 3 barely
wet nappies, you should alert you pediatrician, they may want to see
her, or they may be able to suggest other observations to determine
whether she needs the help of IV fluids or not. There is also pedialyte,
  it's a drink with all the right salts and minerals in to rehydrate a
child, I'm not sure at what stage you should give that instead of
breastmilk.

Cheers
Anne
betsy - 11 Nov 2007 02:36 GMT
> Hi, I'm Julie, and I found out about this group through a search engine. My 9 month old baby girl is on a nursing strike.

I'm so sorry.  That must be really tough for both of you.

Have you tried nursing her when she is asleep?  Try to pick a time
when her nose is as clear as possible and see if you can latch her on
when she stirs.

She has a cold, and the first day she had it she tried eating and
couldn't breath. She ended up biting me really hard, and my mom had
told me if she does that to say OUCH so she would know. Well, instead
of it preventing her biting, she's not eating at all. She absolutely
refuses to nurse, and throws a fit when I try.

The OUCH thing seems to work well with some babies, but can be
traumatic for others.  Often they can't seem to help biting when they
are trying to nurse and have plugged up noses.  Babies often
understand more than we think.  Have you tried talking to her about
what happened, explaining that you didn't mean to upset her when you
said "ouch" and telling her that you are sorry and won't do it again?

Have you tried lots of skin to skin contact and cuddling without any
pressure to nurse?  If you can get her to feel calm and relaxed with
skin to skin contact and cuddling, it may help her to get over the
trauma and be ready to nurse again.

Are you able to get her nose clear enough for her to nurse if she
tries?

Some breastfed babies who won't take a bottle seem to do well with the
"Avent Magic Cup" with the softer white spout option.  If you try this
you can tell your daughter that it is OK for biting.

It sounds like you are pumping now, which is good.  If you don't have
a high quality pump, and she doesn't go back to nursing quickly, you
may want to rent a really good one.

--Betsy
Julie - 11 Nov 2007 06:29 GMT
Thank you so much! Yes, she nurses in her sleep just fine... I hope she will
when she wakes up, now... I'm so relieved... TYTY!

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>> Hi, I'm Julie, and I found out about this group through a search engine.
>> My 9 month old baby girl is on a nursing strike.
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> --Betsy
betsy - 11 Nov 2007 14:51 GMT
> Thank you so much! Yes, she nurses in her sleep just fine... I hope she will
> when she wakes up, now... I'm so relieved... TYTY!
>
> --

I'm very glad for you.  If she isn't ready to nurse while awake yet,
experiencing some slow, gentle, natural wakings while nursing will
probably get her over the trauma enough to begin nursing while awake.

--Betsy
Julie - 12 Nov 2007 00:30 GMT
Thank you, Betsy. I've been trying this today, and it seems to be helping.
She's doing a little better, but still not perfect. Thanks for all your
help...

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>> Thank you so much! Yes, she nurses in her sleep just fine... I hope she
>> will
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>
> --Betsy
Anne Rogers - 11 Nov 2007 06:01 GMT
> Hi, I'm Julie, and I found out about this group through a search engine.
> My 9 month old baby girl is on a nursing strike. She has a cold, and the
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> been SO FUSSY for a couple days now, and I don't know how to get her to
> nurse again. Can anyone help????

don't worry that you saying OUCH is what has put her off, it will be the
cold, if you couldn't breath through your nose, you wouldn't want to
nurse. She's fussy because she's ill - there are no magic solutions to
this, you can help her to breath more easily, either by having her in a
steamy room, or by dropping saline in her nose to try and clear it up
before offering a feed. You can play with the times you offer her the
breast, offering when she's just waking up, or maybe even still asleep.
I'd be inclined to try a nice warm bath with her, both of you get in,
have some skin to skin contact, the steaminess should help her breath
more easily and she may initiate nursing. You should try and maintain
your supply by pumping, so it is available for her when she wants it -
my mum lost her supply when my sister had a severe cold at this age, she
had no advice or help about how to maintain a supply and encourage
nursing. Keep offering her the cup, but make sure it's one that doesn't
have a valve, if it does, the action will be very similar to bottle or
breast and she'll probably struggle. Chances are she'll be absolutely
fine, but do keep an eye on her, babies need help for simple illnesses
sooner than older children or healthy adults.

Cheers
Anne
Julie - 12 Nov 2007 00:32 GMT
Thanks, Anne...
I know that she was frustrated because she couldn't breathe, and that's why
she bit me. Maybe it was a combination of both things, I don't know. I know
I won't say OUCH again, though... I might try the bath thing, though. Thanks
for the suggestion! :) I'll do anything I can to get her to eating again.
:-/

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>> Hi, I'm Julie, and I found out about this group through a search engine.
>> My 9 month old baby girl is on a nursing strike. She has a cold, and the
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> Cheers
> Anne
Linda - 12 Nov 2007 01:15 GMT
> Thanks, Anne...
> I know that she was frustrated because she couldn't breathe, and that's
> why she bit me. Maybe it was a combination of both things, I don't know. I
> know I won't say OUCH again, though... I might try the bath thing, though.
> Thanks for the suggestion! :) I'll do anything I can to get her to eating
> again. :-/

Hi Julie, glad she seems to be doing better now.  Just an idea on the Ouch
thing - I read in one of my books that when the baby bites to pull their
head in close right squashed up onto the breast so they are uncomfortable
and push themselves away through natural reflexes.  This seemed to help with
my DD although it's hard to make sure you dont' flinch at the same time due
to the biting!
Beth Kevles - 12 Nov 2007 03:34 GMT
Hi --

Sometimes when one has a cold, one gets the kind of sore throat that
makes it painful to swallow.  Painful ears can do the same thing, I
think.  So if your baby-with-cold goes on a nursing strike, there are
several things you can try:

1.  Try to get her nose clear before nursing so she can breathe.  A trip
   to a steamy bathroom, nasal suction, or a bit of saline into the
   nose may help.
2.  Provide anti-pain medication 30-60 minutes before nursing.
3.  If baby is getting dehydrated, get fluids in however necessary.  Try
   a spoon or a cup.  Dehydration is very risky for infants.
4.  If the diaper count drops for too long, or if baby develops fever or
   other worrisome symptoms, call the baby's doctor promptly.

Good luck,
--Beth Kevles
 bethkevles@gmail.PUT-THE-COM-HERE
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 Disclaimer:  Nothing in this message should be construed as medical
 advice.  Please consult with your own medical practicioner.

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betsy - 12 Nov 2007 04:03 GMT
> Hi Julie, glad she seems to be doing better now.  Just an idea on the Ouch
> thing - I read in one of my books that when the baby bites to pull their
> head in close right squashed up onto the breast so they are uncomfortable
> and push themselves away through natural reflexes.  This seemed to help with
> my DD although it's hard to make sure you dont' flinch at the same time due
> to the biting!

This is generally a very good idea for how to deal with biting.  It
usually works by blocking the baby's nose and forcing her to release
her bite in order to breathe.  Since the baby doesn't like the
procedure too well, it also tends to deter future biting.

In the case of biting due to a cold, the biting happens when the
baby's nose is too plugged up for breathing while nursing.  She tries
to mouth breathe while nursing, constantly latching halfway on and off
and accidentally biting.  Since her nose is already too plugged up for
breathing, pulling her in to block the nose is less likely to help and
more likely to be frightening.

--Betsy
Julie - 12 Nov 2007 04:38 GMT
Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'll have to try to remember that for
the biting. She really doesn't bite while nursing that often (Though she
does bite at other times!), but that makes sense that she was biting because
she couldn't breathe good. She's doing a little better with her breathing
now, though. She's even nursing awake some, but at other times she still
rejects it. She's hardly sleeping, and I'm exhausted! Her diaper count was
up a little better today, though. I nursed her every time she would let me
today. I had pumped while she was on strike, but not maybe enough, so my
milk supply might be down some. I'm hoping that's back up soon. This has
been very stressful for both of us... I really appreciate all of your
suggestions. When I found this group, I was very discouraged. I thought
breastfeeding was over, but was VERY stressed by it, because she wont take a
bottle hardly. Now, though, she's even breastfeeding again. I'm so thankful
for online searches! Thank you soooo much everyone!

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>> Hi Julie, glad she seems to be doing better now.  Just an idea on the
>> Ouch
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> --Betsy
 
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