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cadad - 28 Jun 2004 21:32 GMT
I am not trying to get out of supporting my son, I am just trying to
understand the child support guidelines.  In fact I have a very good
relationship with my son and will continue to support him.  So if anyone
here can help, I would appreciate it.

I was told about my son's birth three days after he was born.  His mother's
parents didn't even know she was pregnant!  After knowing them now for 15
years, I believe they were totally clueless about it based on other past
events.  I was in college and had 3 years left.  She filed for child support
which was then tagged as "reserved" meaning I had no way to pay for it but
she would still receive payments from the county.  I was to notify the court
when I graduated and had a certain amount of time to find employment.  I did
so and since then have been paying everything I owe.  In fact, it took about
a year for the courts to re-open our case after I notified them of my
employment and I was ordered to pay about a year of support in arrears.  I
still haven't gotten over that one.  We were never married to eachother,
however I am now married with two other children.  She has married and
re-married with a child from each husband.  The CS obligation was based on
my salary and the fact she did not work at all.  I make more money now and
she has been employed for years.  We have never been back to court to adjust
the CS and I have a few questions.

In California, does the marital status of the mother (custodial parent)
factor into child support?

She still receives the county checks in her maiden name and original address
where her parents still live.  This tells me she never told the county of
her marital status (if it even matters?), nor has she given them her various
addresses.  Is there anything wrong with this?

If the non-custodial father is married and has additional children with his
wife, does that affect the child support obligation?  I ask this because
there is no way my other two children cost me anywhere close to what I am
paying in child support (I understand the CS figures in costs of the roof
over his head, food, clothes, fun, etc.).  I am also positive the amount of
support I pay is not benefiting my son to its fullest extent.
Bob - 28 Jun 2004 21:47 GMT
> I am not trying to get out of supporting my son, I am just trying to
> understand the child support guidelines.  In fact I have a very good
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> over his head, food, clothes, fun, etc.).  I am also positive the amount of
> support I pay is not benefiting my son to its fullest extent.

I suggest you get a DNA test done on the son.  You can find numerous DNA
testing services in a 5 minute google search.  Since you weren't close
enough to even know she was pregnant, and her folks weren't either,
there is a VERY good chance that she was f.cking several other men and
you are just the sucker she hooked.  Several reasons. 1.  The boy has a
right to know his real father, whether it's you or someone else.  2.
Paternity fraud is rampant in California.  The laws on paternity fraud
have been in some flux in CA.  The former governor vetoed a paternity
fraud law shortly before the voters booted him out.

Generally the mother's other husband and other children are not
considered in slavery cases (child support)  The state gets paid by the
federal government for processing your payments, so they are very
unfriendly to reasons to stop.

If you go back to court they are likely to raise your payments.  Best
leave sleeping dogs lie unless the DNA test comes back no match.

Bob

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cadad - 28 Jun 2004 21:54 GMT
Thanks for the reply.

DNA tests were done prior to the CS order.  In Los Angeles paternity has to
be determined prior to the order being finalized.

> > I am not trying to get out of supporting my son, I am just trying to
> > understand the child support guidelines.  In fact I have a very good
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>
> Bob
Bob - 28 Jun 2004 22:08 GMT
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> DNA tests were done prior to the CS order.  In Los Angeles paternity has to
> be determined prior to the order being finalized.

From your story that would have been more than 10 years ago.  I didn't
realize that they did DNA testing then. It's pretty new.  If you're sure
it was a real DNA test, then perhaps they were already doing it.

Since the boy is now 15, he may want to come live with his dad.  You
ought to consider that if you haven't already.  Of course it would
theoretically reverse C$, but also of course in reality it doesn't.

If I was in your shoes I would mostly keep my mouth shut and pay for the
next 3 years until he's 18 and then stop.

Bob

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on the side of women."  John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/

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cadad - 28 Jun 2004 22:19 GMT
Thanks again Bob.

In fact I am not sure if it was a DNA test.  I was ordered to get a
"paternity test" and can't totally recall the process.  I am pretty sure
they took blood from my son, his mom, and me.  I do recall that the test
results didn't say exactly 100% paternity, something like 99.7% (don't have
the paperwork with me right now) which translates to a positive I guess.

My son has expressed some interest in coming to live with us.  THAT would be
ideal and I would absolutely love it, so would his younger siblings and my
wife.  Wouldn't his mother have to agree to such a thing?  She is a complete
psycho (and I am not a woman hater, there are just so many incidents from
the past that I really do think she is a sandwich short of a picnic).  I
couldn't care less about getting any support from her if he were to live
with us.

> > Thanks for the reply.
> >
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>
> Bob
John - 29 Jun 2004 05:32 GMT
> In fact I am not sure if it was a DNA test.  I was ordered to get a
> "paternity test" and can't totally recall the process.  I am pretty sure
> they took blood from my son, his mom, and me.  I do recall that the test
> results didn't say exactly 100% paternity, something like 99.7% (don't have
> the paperwork with me right now) which translates to a positive I guess.

That's a DNA test, I had one done about 10 years ago, and they had been
around for 3 or 4 years even then.
Chris - 29 Jun 2004 06:33 GMT
> Thanks again Bob.
>
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> couldn't care less about getting any support from her if he were to live
> with us.

Typical COMMON response from men. RARELY, will you find a woman who takes
the same position. They almost always demand "child support"; which just
demonstrates that with mothers it's ALL about the money!

> > > Thanks for the reply.
> > >
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> >
> > If I was in your shoes I would mostly keep my mouth shut and pay for the

> > next 3 years until he's 18 and then stop.
> >
> > Bob
Chris - 29 Jun 2004 06:28 GMT
> > I am not trying to get out of supporting my son, I am just trying to
> > understand the child support guidelines.  In fact I have a very good
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> If you go back to court they are likely to raise your payments.  Best
> leave sleeping dogs lie unless the DNA test comes back no match.

Only in AmeriKa is one guilty until proven innocent!

> Bob
REB4MWC - 29 Jun 2004 04:07 GMT
It sounds as though you did have dna testing done.  they did do dna 10 yrs
ago.  has everybody forgotton the oj simpson trial and the dna evidence
and testimony? that was 10 years ago.
also note paternity tests will never be 100%. If yours came back at
anything over 98% you are the father.
The issue that your child's mother is still recieving welfare checks from
the county is a concern.  That is fraud if she is using her parents
address and her maiden name to receive payments from the Dept. of Social
Services (DSS).
This is where your money is going.  It is paying the state back for money
she is receiving from the state and if it isn't then that could come back
to haunt you later and the state could possibly make you pay this back.
(no this is not always fair)
If your child's mother is currently married and working that also is a
fraud issue if she is still recieving money from the county or state.
Although the DSS should have her SSN on file and should catch these
discrepancies it doesn't always happen.  You can call the DSS office and
report this information to them.  However if it were me i would do it
anonymously because a lot of the times if DSS knows you have a personal
interest in the case or think you are an ex they don't investigate the
call as seriously. (sad but true)
If your son wants to live with you a lot of the time a judge will consider
the child's request if they are over the age of about 12yrs old, may vary
depending on different states. But if mom doesn't agree this could be
costly for you also.  
Now about your child support owed based on your income.  
Only your income and the child's mother's income should be used for
determing your support owed.  Yes you should be given credit for any other
biological children you support and any extra expenses you are paying for
your son with this ex depending on what the state of Calif. will allow to
be considered as an expense for the child's needs. However if you and mom
are both making a considerable amount more of income this could very
probally increase the payment you are currently making.  Remember the
courts do not consider your personal expenses such as car payments and
such as they state you can lower your standard of living to pay your
support.  Lastly note that a lot of courts have a mediation unit that you
and mom can go to if the two of you can agree on an amount of support on a
monthly basis.  Also if you have the child over a certain amount of days
thru the year you should receive credit against the monthly support owed
for the time the child is with you in your home and being supported by you
when he is physically with you.
If it were me I think I would at least consult an attorney
since there are a lot of issues to consider.
Hope this is of help.  
Gini - 29 Jun 2004 04:41 GMT
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>Now about your child support owed based on your income.  
>Only your income and the child's mother's income should be used for
>determing your support owed.  Yes you should be given credit for any other
>biological children you support and any extra expenses you are paying for
>your son with this ex depending on what the state of Calif.
====
The above issues are completely dependent on the controlling state. In fact,
many states do *not* consider the needs of subsequent children when calculating
child support orders nor do they consider "any extra expenses" paid by the NCP.
===
........................
> Also if you have the child over a certain amount of days
>thru the year you should receive credit against the monthly support owed
>for the time the child is with you in your home and being supported by you
>when he is physically with you.
===
Not all states consider parenting time expenses of the NCP. Child support
guidelines and statutes are not nationally universal. The OP needs to research
CA statutes or speak with someone thoroughly familiar w/CA statutes.
===
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Chris - 29 Jun 2004 06:36 GMT
> ..........................
> >Now about your child support owed based on your income.
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> many states do *not* consider the needs of subsequent children when calculating
> child support orders

They don't consider the needs of ANY children when calculating "child
support" orders. They are interested in one thing and one thing
ONLY..........  forcing a man to pay money to a woman for her SOLE choice to
bring a child into the world!

> nor do they consider "any extra expenses" paid by the NCP.
> ===
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> ===
> ===
Bob - 29 Jun 2004 07:13 GMT
> They don't consider the needs of ANY children when calculating "child
> support" orders. They are interested in one thing and one thing
> ONLY..........  forcing a man to pay money to a woman for her SOLE choice to
> bring a child into the world!

Yep, that was the goal when feminists invented "child support" in the
1850s.  That was the goal when feminists lobbied so-called "child
support" through state legislatures in the first half of the 20th
century.  That is always the goal, men-pay, women-get-paid.

It has NOTHING to do with supporting children.

Bob

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on the side of women."  John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
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george - 29 Jun 2004 05:31 GMT
Thanks for the reply.

<snip>
"It is paying the state back for money she is receiving from the state and
if it isn't then that could come back to haunt you later and the state could
possibly make you pay this back. (no this is not always fair)"
<snip>

What could I be liable for?  I AM paying the CS every month through a wage
assignment and always have paid the CS.  What else could I have to pay back
if she is committing CS fraud?  Shouldn't she be the one liable for paying
back the CS?

I wouldn't want her to have to come up with some kind of huge sum of money
right now, that would only hurt my son (financially and emotionally I am
sure).

> It sounds as though you did have dna testing done.  they did do dna 10 yrs
> ago.  has everybody forgotton the oj simpson trial and the dna evidence
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> since there are a lot of issues to consider.
> Hope this is of help.
cadad - 29 Jun 2004 05:34 GMT
The above message was from me the Original Poster.

I am posting from two different computers.
short - 29 Jun 2004 15:55 GMT
> I am not trying to get out of supporting my son, I am just trying to
> understand the child support guidelines.  In fact I have a very good
> relationship with my son and will continue to support him.  So if anyone
> here can help, I would appreciate it.

No problemo!

> I was told about my son's birth three days after he was born.  His mother's
> parents didn't even know she was pregnant!  After knowing them now for 15
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> she has been employed for years.  We have never been back to court to adjust
> the CS and I have a few questions.

EH??????????  You and the county have both been robbed, basically.

> In California, does the marital status of the mother (custodial parent)
> factor into child support?

Don't know about CA, but in most places it does.

> She still receives the county checks in her maiden name and original address
> where her parents still live.  This tells me she never told the county of
> her marital status (if it even matters?), nor has she given them her various
> addresses.  Is there anything wrong with this?

Fraud, plain and simple.  She could be in deep doo-doo if they find out
she's been receiving double payments this whole time.  How old is your son?

You should apply for a modification though, and let them know she's
remarried and moved, etc.

> If the non-custodial father is married and has additional children with his
> wife, does that affect the child support obligation?  I ask this because
> there is no way my other two children cost me anywhere close to what I am
> paying in child support (I understand the CS figures in costs of the roof
> over his head, food, clothes, fun, etc.).  I am also positive the amount of
> support I pay is not benefiting my son to its fullest extent.

Not in most places.  I've remarried and have 2 kids myself, and they don't
give a rip how many kids I have now.

short
cadad - 29 Jun 2004 16:31 GMT
I may have been unclear on the CS payments...

I pay the the county and the county pays her.  She is NOT receiving double
payments.

> > I am not trying to get out of supporting my son, I am just trying to
> > understand the child support guidelines.  In fact I have a very good
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>
> short
short - 29 Jun 2004 19:18 GMT
> I may have been unclear on the CS payments...
>
> I pay the the county and the county pays her.  She is NOT receiving double
> payments.

Ahh, ok.  Heh, she won't be in as much trouble then :o)

You should be able to get it modified if she's married though.

short
 
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