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Jon - 06 Jul 2004 19:57 GMT
I have a friend, father.  His ex has custody of the two children.  He is
ordered to take a parenting class, and upon completion is elligible for
visitation.  Divorce was in Portland, Or.  He is moving to Medford and plans
to take class within next 6 weeks.  She is contemplating moving to Los
Angelas or Las Vegas.  Mom says she doesn't have to tell him where she is
living.  He wants to know where his kids are so he can proceed on getting
visitation established.  Current on Child support and alimony.
So, does he need to get a lawyer to now to go to court for finding out where
they are moving?  Wait until he is established in Medford?  before or after
taking parenting class?  Wait until she moves?  He is moving back to his
parents home to re-establish himself and his business, but right now doesn't
have a place to see the kids, ie he is living in the back of his shop in a
trailer until he moves.
Thanks for your advice, he is really concerned and wants to be a part of his
son's lives.  They are both under 10.
short - 06 Jul 2004 20:07 GMT
> I have a friend, father.  His ex has custody of the two children.  He is
> ordered to take a parenting class, and upon completion is elligible for
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Thanks for your advice, he is really concerned and wants to be a part of his
> son's lives.  They are both under 10.

He needs to get the process started now, before she moves out of state.
Once she moves, it makes it a lot harder to track them down.  A lot of
attorneys I've spoken with about this same issue don't even want to take the
case, unless you can afford an expensive retainer, blahblahblah.

Get an attorney now.

short
Bob - 06 Jul 2004 20:12 GMT
> I have a friend, father.  His ex has custody of the two children.  He is
> ordered to take a parenting class, and upon completion is elligible for
> visitation.  

Note that mom has full custody but has never been required to take a
misandrist "parenting" class.  Note 2 that father only gets "visitation"
and not full father recognition despite taking the class.  The bigot on
the bench ought to be shot at dawn -- right after the ex.

> Divorce was in Portland, Or.  He is moving to Medford and plans
> to take class within next 6 weeks.  She is contemplating moving to Los
> Angelas or Las Vegas.  Mom says she doesn't have to tell him where she is
> living.  He wants to know where his kids are so he can proceed on getting
> visitation established.  Current on Child support and alimony.

IOW: mom can do whatever the hell she pleases, and to hell with dad.
The only way dad can get his family back is to dump the bitch in the
river, and they have rivers in Portland, OR, where a carcass will never
be found.

> So, does he need to get a lawyer to now to go to court for finding out where
> they are moving?  

A lieyer would do no good while a misandrist bigot is on the bench.  The
river is cheaper and more effective.

> Wait until he is established in Medford?  before or after
> taking parenting class?  Wait until she moves?  He is moving back to his
> parents home to re-establish himself and his business, but right now doesn't
> have a place to see the kids, ie he is living in the back of his shop in a
> trailer until he moves.

The sooner the bitch hits the water the sooner he gets his kids back.

> Thanks for your advice, he is really concerned and wants to be a part of his
> son's lives.  They are both under 10.

Don't mention it.  MEN have to fight our our families.

Bob

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Joe_College - 06 Jul 2004 21:46 GMT
He wants to know where his kids are so he can proceed on getting
visitation established.  Current on Child support and alimony.
So, does he need to get a lawyer to now to go to court for finding out
where
they are moving?  Wait until he is established in Medford?  before or
after
taking parenting class?  Wait until she moves?  He is moving back to his
parents home to re-establish himself and his business, but right now
doesn't
have a place to see the kids, ie he is living in the back of his shop in
a
trailer until he moves.
Thanks for your advice, he is really concerned and wants to be a part of
his
son's lives.  They are both under 10.
______________________________________________

I agree with Short. He should get a lawyer now...he can't have her served
for any court in the future if he has no idea where she lives. Just
because he doesn't have visitation "establihshed" in an order doesn't mean
he doesn't have parental rights. Am I safe in assuming he gave the court
reason to order parenting classes before he can have visitation? Not that
that should affect his parental rights, just curious.
short - 08 Jul 2004 13:21 GMT
> He wants to know where his kids are so he can proceed on getting
> visitation established.  Current on Child support and alimony.
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> reason to order parenting classes before he can have visitation? Not that
> that should affect his parental rights, just curious.

My brother in law was ordered to take parenting classes just because the
mother was fighting him for custody and he didn't have any other kids.  The
mother didn't have to take any classes though.  I think sometimes the judge
just makes the call based on what is said/what he sees, not always for a
reason.

short
Gini - 06 Jul 2004 22:18 GMT
>I have a friend, father.  His ex has custody of the two children.  He is
>ordered to take a parenting class, and upon completion is elligible for
>visitation.  Divorce was in Portland, Or.  He is moving to Medford and plans
>to take class within next 6 weeks.  She is contemplating moving to Los
>Angelas or Las Vegas.  Mom says she doesn't have to tell him where she is
>living.
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"Mom" is not the judge. The judge tells "mom" what she has to do.
In some places the NCP has the option of getting an emergency injunction if a
parent is attempting to leave the vicinity. The injunction has the purpose of
keeping the kids in the jurisdiction until a judge can here the case.
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teachrmama - 07 Jul 2004 17:17 GMT
> >I have a friend, father.  His ex has custody of the two children.  He is
> >ordered to take a parenting class, and upon completion is elligible for
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> parent is attempting to leave the vicinity. The injunction has the purpose of
> keeping the kids in the jurisdiction until a judge can here the case.

We get this "privacy"  notice every year that states that, if there is a
reason that one parent needs to be prevented from knowing the other parents
address, to fill out the form and send it back.  It especially talks about
being in danger of harm of some sort.  If the dad OP talked about was
ordered into parenting classes for a reason that could be seen as
"dangerous" he might not be able to block her from moving, and may be in for
a heck of a fight.  Especially if mommy is determined and plays on the
reason he was assigned parenting classes.  He needs to get something moving
fast!
Don - 07 Jul 2004 12:39 GMT
I agree with the other responses.

He should go to court now.

He can try to stop her from moving, though that nearly always fails.
But at the least she should be obligated to tell him where his
children are and how he can reach them.

    Don
 
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