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Family Forum / Parenting / Parenting / July 2004Dead beat fathers or simply defeated
http://www.joplinglobe.com/story.php?story_id=120188&c=96 Fathers in Missouri and all across the United States are being stripped of their pride, their self-dignity and their basic freedom because the Division of Child Support Enforcement and the courts have been unsuccessful in developing any new programs that promote self-sufficient families where the father can have the opportunity to be actively involved in the life of their children. Many hardships and insurmountable odds contribute to other problems that arise. Eventually, everyone suffers from this seemingly inescapable turmoil. Many fathers suffer from depression, low self-esteem and some often suffer nervous breakdowns. There have also been accounts of suicide when a father has become overwhelmed by the pressures applied through Child Support Enforcement, the courts and the harassment from local law enforcement. > http://www.joplinglobe.com/story.php?story_id=120188&c=96 > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > has become overwhelmed by the pressures applied through Child Support > Enforcement, the courts and the harassment from local law enforcement. You know, I truly feel for fathers who are taken advantage of and have unfair CS amounts to pay, ect. But a mother who might be a single mother because the father left might feel the same way. She can feel depressed, overwhelmed by life's expectations, have low self-esteem and suffer from nervous breakdowns. Heck, they might even commit suicide. These situations are tragic regardless of the sex involved. T > > http://www.joplinglobe.com/story.php?story_id=120188&c=96 > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > T Yeah sure being in jail is the same as raising a child. /sarcasm How you can compare the two is absolutely sickening. You criticize Bob for his extreme views when you are far worse on the far other end of the extreme. > > "Don" <don@free> wrote in message > news:10fd7j9op5agf8f@corp.supernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > You know, I truly feel for fathers who are taken advantage of and have > > unfair CS amounts to pay, ect. Yeah, did you not see this sentence??? /sarcasm > > But a mother who might be a single mother because the father left might > feel [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > These situations are tragic regardless of the sex involved. Did you read this sentence????? > > T > > Yeah sure being in jail is the same as raising a child. /sarcasm How you > can compare the two is absolutely sickening. Where did I say the 2 compared? Can you read my post again please. I said that a mother can feel as desperate as a man. Yeah, imagine both sexes suffer in life. > You criticize Bob for his extreme views when you are far worse on the far > other end of the extreme. Sure, I talk of murdering men all the time. I am the opposite of Bob...... /SARCASM I feel sorry for those who can't see both sides of the coin. I am far from extreme, I just see both sides and bring them to light. T > > > "Don" <don@free> wrote in message > > news:10fd7j9op5agf8f@corp.supernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > Sure, I talk of murdering men all the time. I am the opposite of Bob...... > /SARCASM You condone a system in which the end result is the same. The system you support places men in extreme circumstances where they commit suicide and end up in prison where they may be raped, beaten or killed. This not to mention having their children ripped from their lives, they are forced into homelessness and they are striped of their possessions. This therefore makes you no different than Bob but on the other extreme. > I feel sorry for those who can't see both sides of the coin. I am far from > extreme, I just see both sides and bring them to light. > > T > > "Don" <don@free> wrote in message > news:10fdj52kjdpbd9e@corp.supernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > This therefore makes you no different than Bob but on the other extreme. Why do I say I support the system? Again, you have no idea on my feelings about the 'system'. T > > > "Don" <don@free> wrote in message > > news:10fdj52kjdpbd9e@corp.supernews.com... [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > > T I meant WHERE. lol ! >>"Don" <don@free> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 111 lines] > > This therefore makes you no different than Bob but on the other extreme. There is a huge difference actually. Bob consistently supports equal rights, while the feminists support greed and oppression. Bob  SignatureWhen did we divide into sides? "As president, I will put American government and our legal system back on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/ [Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.] I am a single mom with 2 kids with a court order for child support thru missouri. and my ex fled to texas with every intention of NOT paying his obligated child support. the system has not been able for the last 2 years to get the child support money my kids are owed. well while he's out having a good ol time every nite doin whatever he does now, while my kids are doing without certain things because he doesn't want to be a man and take care of 2 responsibilities he helped create. these men are not defeated......there're deadbeats.....plain and simple.....they can play but when it comes to payin, they're running...... Just Remember that, "If America was not the Home of the Brave", It would not be, " The Land of the Free". Bless our service women and men. > I am a single mom with 2 kids with a court order for child support thru > missouri. and my ex fled to texas with every intention of NOT paying [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > not defeated......there're deadbeats.....plain and simple.....they can > play but when it comes to payin, they're running...... I agree that there are NCPs who do not fulfill their obligations. Just as there are custodial parents who do not fulfill their obligations. But that in no way makes every man who can not pay his court-ordered child support a deadbeat. You must not fall into the trap of painting every man who does not meet his child support obligations with the same brush as your ex. Out of curiosity, was your ex offered 50/50 custody of the kids? As you must be aware, this money is NOT owed to your children. If what you say is correct, the money is owed to YOU. The technique of talking of child support as owed to the children is widely used, both by mothers and by CS bureaucrats. However, it's a fundamentally dishonest technique all the same. It's used because it sounds better to say that the money is owed to innocent children than to say that fathers owe the money to adult women. I don't know what your situation is, other than what you say here (and who can verify what is said in news groups about individual situations?) However, research has indicated that most men who are behind on their so-called "child support" are themselves impoverished, and are scarcely able to support themselves, never mind the mothers of their children. Furthermore, research also shows that most of these men are not separated from their families because of their own choices. They have been kicked out of their families by the mothers of their children. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bec Fiat" <Fishnfwl@webtv.net> Newsgroups: alt.child-support Sent: 15 July, 2004 11:19 PM Subject: Re: Dead beat fathers or simply defeated > I am a single mom with 2 kids with a court order for child support thru > missouri. and my ex fled to texas with every intention of NOT paying [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Just Remember that, "If America was not the Home of the Brave", It would > not be, " The Land of the Free". Bless our service women and men. > As you must be aware, this money is NOT owed to your children. If what > you say is correct, the money is owed to YOU. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > from their families because of their own choices. They have been kicked out > of their families by the mothers of their children. And you have to assume from all the identical cases that get posted here, when the mother tells the father to get out of her life and never come back she failed to recognize at the time he would actually take her up on her demand and disappear. >> As you must be aware, this money is NOT owed to your children. If >what [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >she failed to recognize at the time he would actually take her up on her >demand and disappear. ==== My great-nephew has just found himself in a very predictable situation. 1. She says the baby isn't his 2. He requests a paternity test 3. Baby is his/he wants custody 4. She files PFA/Exits dad 5. She gets free lawyer 6. She files for support 7. He can't afford a lawyer 8. Another child grows up without dad (and a very loving dad) These two parents were high school "sweethearts" and neither graduated. Because of the baby, he immediately enrolled in community college and hopes to get himself financially established so he can afford a lawyer and take care of his child. He has a long hard road ahead (I didn't tell him that.) ==== ==== > >> As you must be aware, this money is NOT owed to your children. If > >what [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > ==== > ==== I'm totally guessing - Does PFA stand for PA Family Assistance? >"Gini" <ginih@jlink.com> wrote ................. >> ==== >> My great-nephew has just found himself in a very predictable situation. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >I'm totally guessing - Does PFA stand for PA Family Assistance? ==== Protection from abuse. Woman requests it and it is granted under the presumption of guilt. The man has to either contest it in court or attend classes/therapy to have it removed. Isn't that how it is done elsewhere? ==== ==== > ................. > >> ==== [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > ==== > ==== My state calls this a Temporary Restraining Order. Women request them all the time as a tactical move in divorce and have no obligation to prove any abuse. It's only important to allege abuse! Courts never require a woman to prove her allegations. >> In article <rj0Kc.5734$Qu5.1140@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Bob >Whiteside [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >abuse. It's only important to allege abuse! Courts never require a woman >to prove her allegations. ==== Yep. That's what we're dealing with. ==== ==== > I am a single mom with 2 kids with a court order for child support thru > missouri. and my ex fled to texas with every intention of NOT paying > his obligated child support. That is a real shame. No man ought to have to flee for his life to avoid the slave chasers. There is no such thing as **paying** child support. There is only paying you. > the system has not been able for the last > 2 years to get the child support money my kids are owed. well while he's > out having a good ol time every nite doin whatever he does now, while my > kids are doing without certain things because he doesn't want to be a > man and take care of 2 responsibilities he helped create. You created them babe. Only a woman crates children. You had the only legal "choice" to create or not to create the children. Your choice, your responsibility. > these men are > not defeated......there're deadbeats.....plain and simple.....they can > play but when it comes to payin, they're running...... Typical feminist greed. Men-pay, women-get-paid. > Just Remember that, "If America was not the Home of the Brave", It would > not be, " The Land of the Free". Bless our service women and men. Yep, since feminism it has not been free for men at all. He is running for his life from slave chasers. Bob SignatureWhen did we divide into sides? "As president, I will put American government and our legal system back on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/ [Bob does not advocate any illegal, seditious, or immoral acts. All posts are for discussion, rhetorical, or humorous purposes only.] |
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