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Media keeps suggesting that drugs are responsible for the death of     Michael Jackson.

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tom5515@yahoo.com - 26 Jun 2009 22:08 GMT
The police should investigate all the people who have extorted Michael
Jackson, over the years.

Drugs didn't kill Michael Jackson.  The people who slandered Jackson
burdened his heart -he lasted far longer than anybody similarily
attacked.

                            http://surftofind.com/change
Mav - 28 Jun 2009 14:49 GMT
On Jun 26, 10:08 pm, tom5...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The police should investigate all the people who have extorted Michael
> Jackson, over the years.
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>
>                              http://surftofind.com/change

Yes I think lots of people need to stop and think how they affect
others in what they do and say and be kinder
Dusty - 28 Jun 2009 17:52 GMT
On Jun 26, 10:08 pm, tom5...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The police should investigate all the people who have extorted Michael
> Jackson, over the years.
>
> Drugs didn't kill Michael Jackson. The people who slandered Jackson
> burdened his heart -he lasted far longer than anybody similarily
> attacked.

Oh really?  You think MJ's heart was "burdened", eh?  Talk to a divorced
father some time, you know, the one where he's been taken to the cleaners
and can't afford to hire an attorney to defend himself in court so he can
have some level of contact with his children and I'll show you what a truly
"burdened" person looks like.

Jackson was a fool.  He spent all his money on bull sh.t and died a pauper.
No one is to blame for his predicament save Jackson himself.  No one held a
gun to his head to make his "home" into a private theme park.  He blew his
wad, he freaked and took the easy way out.

He was a fool and weak of moral substance.  for every MJ, I can show you
dozens of fathers that wade into the mire of "family court" at ever
opportunity they have in order to keep in touch with their kids and fight
for what's right.  They don't freak out and take the easy way out.  Only
when the state backs them into a corner, takes all they own or ever will own
and uses it against them, poisons their children's minds against them tells
those same, loving fathers that they don't matter.  Then and only then do
they take the only way out left to them.

Jackson, heh, what a moron.
XXX@XXX.COM - 01 Jul 2009 02:48 GMT
> On Jun 26, 10:08 pm, tom5...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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> have some level of contact with his children and I'll show you what a truly
> "burdened" person looks like.

So the fact that you can't deal with your problems means that nobody
else's problems interest you .... interesting.

In case you don't have a radio, Michael Jackson was a father and he
was divorced a few times. He went through a few legal battles, was
estranged from his family and had lost every connection he may have
had with reality. I'd say deadbeat dads have an easy life by
comparison.

> Jacksonwas a fool.  He spent all his money on bull sh.t and died a pauper.

No he didn't. He died with millions in a 40 million dollar rental
mansion, he just left a lot of debt behind. If the stories are true he
stashed cash everywhere, had 100 new hits ready for release and still
owns the Beatles catalog.

> No one is to blame for his predicament saveJacksonhimself.

Shocking admission from a guy who claims he shouldn't be held
responsible for the care of his own spawn.
 
> No one held a
> gun to his head to make his "home" into a private theme park.  

Unless you are claiming to have been raped at gunpoint, you are
admitting that you are responsible for your own children. Another
shocker.

> He blew his
> wad, he freaked and took the easy way out.

As you wish you could do. Except his way out was dying, yours is less
admirable.

> He was a fool and weak of moral substance.

He took responsibility for his kids, that puts him head and shoulders
above you.

> for every MJ, I can show you

How many can you show us? More than one? Michael Jordan would be #2?

> dozens of fathers that wade into the mire of "family court" at ever

By your "stupid guy" math we are up to 24 fathers.

> opportunity they have in order to keep in touch with their kids and fight
> for what's right.  They don't freak out and take the easy way out.  Only
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>
> Jackson, heh, what a moron.

Most don't take the position that they are not responsible for their
offspring because someone else has the right to abort the children. If
you take that position you have lost the moral high ground and nobody
will ever buy your "loving father kicked out of his house" crap.

Imagine that, a psychotic homo who bought 3 children is a better man
and father than you. Kinda makes a guy want to keep quiet and pay his
bills ... no?
Phil #3 - 01 Jul 2009 23:12 GMT
"XXX@XXX.COM" <dtombanjo@aol.com> wrote nothing with validity or of
interest.
DB - 02 Jul 2009 20:02 GMT
> "XXX@XXX.COM" <dtombanjo@aol.com> wrote nothing with validity or of
> interest.

Exactly!

It's like thin people that get on a dieters forum, they have no clue!
Dusty - 02 Jul 2009 22:05 GMT
>> "XXX@XXX.COM" <dtombanjo@aol.com> wrote nothing with validity or of
>> interest.
>
> Exactly!
>
> It's like thin people that get on a dieters forum, they have no clue!

LMAO!!!
XXX@XXX.COM - 03 Jul 2009 15:35 GMT
> > "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote nothing with validity or of
> > interest.
>
> Exactly!
>
> It's like thin people that get on a dieters forum, they have no clue!

Or liars who pretend to believe each other's lies.
Dusty - 03 Jul 2009 18:11 GMT
On Jul 2, 3:02 pm, "DB" <Dee...@netscape.net> wrote:
> "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
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> It's like thin people that get on a dieters forum, they have no clue!

Or liars who pretend to believe each other's lies.
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Now that's a hell of a thing for you to say to us, all you ever do is lie!
Phil #3 - 03 Jul 2009 20:47 GMT
On Jul 2, 3:02 pm, "DB" <Dee...@netscape.net> wrote:
> "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
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> It's like thin people that get on a dieters forum, they have no clue!

Or liars who pretend to believe each other's lies.

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The expert speaks.
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 03 Jul 2009 20:58 GMT
> Or liars who pretend to believe each other's lies.
>
> *****************************************************
>
> The expert speaks.
> Phil #3

And who are you speaking to? Of course I doubt you would be considered
an expert on anything
Phil #3 - 03 Jul 2009 21:07 GMT
On Jul 3, 3:47 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Or liars who pretend to believe each other's lies.
>
> *****************************************************
>
> The expert speaks.
> Phil #3

And who are you speaking to? Of course I doubt you would be considered
an expert on anything

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I am speaking to any who read this, including you apparently. Your opinion
is worth its weight in warm spit.
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 03 Jul 2009 21:19 GMT
> > The expert speaks.
> > Phil #3
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> is worth its weight in warm spit.
> Phil #3

So there you go, my opinion is worth more than yours. Is that why you
need to respond to every post I make with  lies and nonsense?
Dusty - 03 Jul 2009 22:40 GMT
On Jul 3, 4:07 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> > The expert speaks.
> > Phil #3
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> is worth its weight in warm spit.
> Phil #3

So there you go, my opinion is worth more than yours. Is that why you
need to respond to every post I make with  lies and nonsense?
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Lies and nonsense should always be answered with truth, honest debate and
learned opinions.  Which is what happens whenever you post your foolish
drivel - people reply openly and honestly, something you have never done.

I bet if you did, Hell would freeze over.
XXX@XXX.COM - 04 Jul 2009 02:57 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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> I bet if you did, Hell would freeze over.

No you don't, read this very thread for examples of misinformation,
lies and a strawman argument. You all lie to yourselves so much that
you don't know what the truth looks like anymore. You might notice how
dead your group is when I don't post here, filled with dopey articles
and no replies.  So far none of you have addressed the misinformation
I pointed out in my first post, you have just resorted to attacking
the messenger, a common tactic among deadbeats and idiots it seems.
Dusty - 04 Jul 2009 07:14 GMT
On Jul 3, 5:40 pm, "Dusty" <No....@home.org> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> I bet if you did, Hell would freeze over.

No you don't, read this very thread for examples of misinformation,
lies and a strawman argument. You all lie to yourselves so much that
you don't know what the truth looks like anymore. You might notice how
dead your group is when I don't post here, filled with dopey articles
and no replies.  So far none of you have addressed the misinformation
I pointed out in my first post, you have just resorted to attacking
the messenger, a common tactic among deadbeats and idiots it seems.
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Your ignorance of the topics and information posted here, coupled with the
out-right arrogance at your refusal to engage in honest debate, are
overwhelmingly foolish.
XXX@XXX.COM - 04 Jul 2009 15:16 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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With the ton of misinformation, misinterpretation and outright lying
you do here, it is almost impossible to discuss anything rational with
any of you.
Phil #3 - 08 Jul 2009 20:36 GMT
On Jul 4, 2:14 am, "Dusty" <No....@home.org> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
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With the ton of misinformation, misinterpretation and outright lying
you do here, it is almost impossible to discuss anything rational with
any of you.

***************************************************

You should try it sometime. All you post is lies, half-truths and innuendo,
completely devoid of knowledge or truth.
Phil #3
Dusty - 02 Jul 2009 22:11 GMT
> "XXX@XXX.COM" <dtombanjo@aol.com> wrote nothing with validity or of
> interest.

Indeed.

After that last bout of liberal-socialist insanity, I damned near placed
her/him/it/them/whatever back into the kilfile...  which would be a cryin'
shame - enduring her/it's antics are well worth the laugh.  Besides, where
else can one get so clear a view of the Enemy of Reality and come away
unscathed?
XXX@XXX.COM - 03 Jul 2009 15:41 GMT
> > "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote nothing with validity or of
> > interest.
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> else can one get so clear a view of the Enemy of Reality and come away
> unscathed?

Yes, your lies are your reality, Michael Jackson is a "pauper" with
500 million in assets, he took responsibility for kids who weren't
even his own and some deadbeat dad thinks he is better than him. I
notice that none of you were able to refute anything that was written
there, I am sure your weak grasp of reality will hold up as long as
you stick together and remain stupid. Keep holding on.
Dusty - 03 Jul 2009 18:13 GMT
"XXX@XXX.COM" <dtombanjo@aol.com> wrote nothing worth repeating.
Phil #3 - 03 Jul 2009 20:50 GMT
On Jul 2, 5:11 pm, "Dusty" <No....@home.org> wrote:
> "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>
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> else can one get so clear a view of the Enemy of Reality and come away
> unscathed?

Yes, your lies are your reality, Michael Jackson is a "pauper" with
500 million in assets, he took responsibility for kids who weren't
even his own and some deadbeat dad thinks he is better than him. I
notice that none of you were able to refute anything that was written
there, I am sure your weak grasp of reality will hold up as long as
you stick together and remain stupid. Keep holding on.

**********************************************

Not surprising that one of your caliber would hold Michael Jackson up as a
paragon of virtue.
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 03 Jul 2009 21:09 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I think he is a psychotic homo, which I wrote in my first post in this
thread (note your lie here) Despite the fact that he is a psychotic he
is still a better man than the deadbeats in this group. (understand
yet?)
Phil #3 - 03 Jul 2009 21:09 GMT
On Jul 3, 3:50 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I think he is a psychotic homo, which I wrote in my first post in this
thread (note your lie here) Despite the fact that he is a psychotic he
is still a better man than the deadbeats in this group. (understand
yet?)

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I understand you are psychotic. Is there anything else you'd like to
demonstrate?
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 03 Jul 2009 21:25 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Apparently you pretend to misunderstand when you know you are wrong
and get caught in a lie. What's wrong? Run out of strawman arguments?
Phil #3 - 08 Jul 2009 20:36 GMT
On Jul 3, 4:09 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Apparently you pretend to misunderstand when you know you are wrong
and get caught in a lie. What's wrong? Run out of strawman arguments?
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Wrong again.
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 08 Jul 2009 22:52 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I didn't believe for a second that you'd run out of lies and strawmen,
after all, they make up the majority of your posts.
Big D - 11 Jul 2009 21:58 GMT
On Jul 3, 4:25 pm, "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote:

> > "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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I don't think ANY of them are pretending. They are either that
ignorant, or they have talked themselves into being that ignorant.
Phil #3 - 15 Jul 2009 13:37 GMT
On Jul 3, 4:25 pm, "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 4:09 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
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I don't think ANY of them are pretending. They are either that
ignorant, or they have talked themselves into being that ignorant.

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Yeah, we' re ignorant because of just being liberal man-haters we lived
through it.
Real piece of work you feminocentrics are.
Phil #3
Phil #3 - 03 Jul 2009 20:49 GMT
>> "XXX@XXX.COM" <dtombanjo@aol.com> wrote nothing with validity or of
>> interest.
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> else can one get so clear a view of the Enemy of Reality and come away
> unscathed?

It's just so damn frustrating to realize that XXXX is not alone; there are
millions as unbalanced as s/he, believing the government really is here to
help her/him. Wait till their ox is the one being gored.
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 03 Jul 2009 21:06 GMT
> >> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote nothing with validity or of
> >> interest.
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> help her/him. Wait till their ox is the one being gored.
> Phil #3

Yes, you 14 deadbeats can refer to us as "the rest of the world" those
of us who comprise "the rest of the world" think you should pay your
bills and accept responsibility for your offspring. There is nothing
in any of my posts that would indicate that I believe the government
really is here to help me. On the contrary I believe that people
should be responsible for themselves and their kids while you all
argue that you shouldn't be responsible for your kids and that other
people should pay for the kids you spawned. In many cases those "other
people" are me and other taxpayers. Same old gang of deadbeats, keep
those blinders on and keep lying and swearing to it.

I noticed nobody except me commented on the original lies in this
thread. Is that because it won't help the group whine to point out the
obvious?
Phil #3 - 03 Jul 2009 21:08 GMT
On Jul 3, 3:49 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "Dusty" <No....@home.org> wrote in message
>
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> help her/him. Wait till their ox is the one being gored.
> Phil #3

Yes, you 14 deadbeats can refer to us as "the rest of the world" those
of us who comprise "the rest of the world" think you should pay your
bills and accept responsibility for your offspring. There is nothing
in any of my posts that would indicate that I believe the government
really is here to help me. On the contrary I believe that people
should be responsible for themselves and their kids while you all
argue that you shouldn't be responsible for your kids and that other
people should pay for the kids you spawned. In many cases those "other
people" are me and other taxpayers. Same old gang of deadbeats, keep
those blinders on and keep lying and swearing to it.

I noticed nobody except me commented on the original lies in this
thread. Is that because it won't help the group whine to point out the
obvious?

**************************************************

Keep talking; you're the best advertisement for what's wrong with America.
You don't get to decide what I or anyone else thinks, regardless your
illusions of grandeur.
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 03 Jul 2009 21:23 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Yes, people who support their own kids and take the position that
fathers are responsible are destroying america, we need more deadbeats
to save our way of life. Just to clarify though, I have no illusions
of grandeur, I just think that you are such scummy folks that everyone
is better than you. I can see that you agree with my assessment by
your description of my opinion, do you know why you have such low self
esteem? Because you deserve it.
Dusty - 03 Jul 2009 22:51 GMT
On Jul 3, 4:08 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Yes, people who support their own kids and take the position that
fathers are responsible are destroying america, we need more deadbeats
to save our way of life. Just to clarify though, I have no illusions
of grandeur, I just think that you are such scummy folks that everyone
is better than you. I can see that you agree with my assessment by
your description of my opinion, do you know why you have such low self
esteem? Because you deserve it.
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Please stop X, I'm laughing so hard I'm gonna shoot milk outta my nose any
second now!!
Phil #3 - 08 Jul 2009 20:37 GMT
On Jul 3, 4:08 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Yes, people who support their own kids and take the position that
fathers are responsible are destroying america, we need more deadbeats
to save our way of life. Just to clarify though, I have no illusions
of grandeur, I just think that you are such scummy folks that everyone
is better than you. I can see that you agree with my assessment by
your description of my opinion, do you know why you have such low self
esteem? Because you deserve it.
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And with this statement show just how ignorant you are about it. Child
support is NOT supporting a child, no matter how much spin you put on it.
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 08 Jul 2009 22:55 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I am a person who supports his own kids, and I take the position that
fathers should be responsible for their own kids. This has nothing to
do with court ordered child support. Again your purposeful misreading
and creation of a strawman argument is the basis of your argument.
Phil #3 - 10 Jul 2009 00:18 GMT
On Jul 8, 3:37 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I am a person who supports his own kids, and I take the position that
fathers should be responsible for their own kids. This has nothing to
do with court ordered child support. Again your purposeful misreading
and creation of a strawman argument is the basis of your argument.

********************************************

Now you're backpeddling. You have claimed that many here who object to
paying the mother of their children are not supporting their children when
you couldn't possibly know one way or another.
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 10 Jul 2009 03:23 GMT
> On Jul 8, 3:37 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
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> when you couldn't possibly know one way or another.
> Phil #3

If you plan to lie, at least cut the thing I said that you are
misrepresenting before you post. My objection is (and has always been)
to people who claim they don't need to support their kids because it is
the mother's/judge's/president's fault or that they shouldn't be
responsible for their offspring for whatever nitwit reason that is
passed off as an argument here among you. If the only money that your
kids get from you is court ordered then that is covered by my opinion as
well, but cases where the father is a deadbeat from the beginning don't
change my opinion.

Another amusing facet of your group stupidity is your ability to cling
to your trailerpark conservative ideals despite claiming to be dead
broke, the republicans being the 'family values' party and the outside
chance that liberals might ease the health insurance burden for you if
they get enough votes.

On top of that, recent republican activity makes it nearly impossible to
conceal your home address, earn or move any significant amount of money
without being reported to the IRS, you can hardly pay cash for a car
anymore without forms being sent to the IRS. All thanks to your
conservative heroes. I attribute this to the fact that you either love
hypocrisy or are too stupid to recognize it.
Phil #3 - 15 Jul 2009 13:51 GMT
>> On Jul 8, 3:37 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
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> for their offspring for whatever nitwit reason that is passed off as an
> argument here among you.

See, this is where you go off track. You blame everyone who takes issue with
the entire child support industry of being a deadbeat then make up lies such
as "they don't need to support their kids because it is the
mother's/judge's/president's fault or that they shouldn't be responsible for
their offspring."  as if you actually had a clue. You just cannot understand
the difference between "child support" and support of a child because you
are a liar and a sexist fool.

>If the only money that your kids get from you is court ordered then that is
>covered by my opinion as well, but cases where the father is a deadbeat
>from the beginning don't change my opinion.

My kids are all grown but during their pre-adult years, the only parent that
flatly refused to spend a cent on our kids was there mom. But that's okay
because mothers aren't expected to provide anything but a womb and must be
paid for the rental on that.

> Another amusing facet of your group stupidity is your ability to cling to
> your trailerpark conservative ideals despite claiming to be dead broke,
> the republicans being the 'family values' party and the outside chance
> that liberals might ease the health insurance burden for you if they get
> enough votes.

What ARE you talking about? It was well known that you are a liberal
democrat just from the anti-male sexism you have posted from day one but
personally, I hold both republicans and democrats as guilty in the tyranny
American government has become. It's just that democrats would elect Hitler
if he were to run today because he promised the world to the German people.
The America people have become the same. Greedy and bigoted.

> On top of that, recent republican activity makes it nearly impossible to
> conceal your home address, earn or move any significant amount of money
> without being reported to the IRS, you can hardly pay cash for a car
> anymore without forms being sent to the IRS. All thanks to your
> conservative heroes. I attribute this to the fact that you either love
> hypocrisy or are too stupid to recognize it.

See, once again you must resort to lies to even have an argument. My heros
are not politicans of either major political party, not that you'd know
anyway.
You are simply incapable of telling the truth or discussing facts.
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 15 Jul 2009 15:43 GMT
> See, this is where you go off track. You blame everyone who takes issue
> with the entire child support industry of being a deadbeat then make up
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> understand the difference between "child support" and support of a child
> because you are a liar and a sexist fool.

Since that is the argument being made, I take it at face value. When
someone is such a deadbeat that they claim they should have the right to
force an abortion or abandon their child completely rather than pay
money to support them, I am on pretty solid ground with my comments.
Wahhhh the money goes to the mother, not the kids, wahhhh the judge is
against men wahhhhh .... Guess what, you let those things get between
you and your kids and you are denying responsibility for that too. If
you get your way and you don't pay for your kids or you force to have
them aborted you are not supporting a child or paying child support.

>> If the only money that your kids get from you is court ordered then
>> that is covered by my opinion as well, but cases where the father is a
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> that's okay because mothers aren't expected to provide anything but a
> womb and must be paid for the rental on that.

Yes, she refused to spend a cent, they walked around naked and all
starved to death. Good thing they had a father who thinks he should be
able to deny responsibility for his kids. Hopefully this taught them to
be responsible for themselves and eventually their families despite
their lowlife parents.

> What ARE you talking about? It was well known that you are a liberal
> democrat just from the anti-male sexism you have posted from day one but
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> the German people. The America people have become the same. Greedy and
> bigoted.

Democrats would also pass a bill that alleviates the cost of health
insurance for people making under 80 grand a year and possibly provide
insurance for all kids. A move which would fix one of your most
expensive problems as a deadbeat dad. Even though it is well known to
idiots that I am a liberal democrat, the fact is that I am very
conservative and align myself with republicans more often than
democrats, mostly because I save a ton of money when capital gains taxes
are low and my business picks up when real estate changes hands. As far
as fathers being responsible for their families, that is a pretty old
conservative value too. I dislike politicians in general, but as I get
older I support more and more conservative policies, most of which help
me and my family and screw people like you.

>> On top of that, recent republican activity makes it nearly impossible
>> to conceal your home address, earn or move any significant amount of
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> You are simply incapable of telling the truth or discussing facts.
> Phil #3

You are just trying to imitate me now. I see that you can't respond to
any of the ideas above though, is it because you realize how stupid you
are now?
Phil #3 - 22 Jul 2009 02:54 GMT
>> See, this is where you go off track. You blame everyone who takes issue
>> with the entire child support industry of being a deadbeat then make up
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> force an abortion or abandon their child completely rather than pay money
> to support them, I am on pretty solid ground with my comments.

Nope. First of all, who said they should have the right to decide abortion?
Second, paying a woman is not supporting children regardless what she does
with the money, even if it goes to supporting the children.

> Wahhhh the money goes to the mother, not the kids, wahhhh the judge is
> against men wahhhhh .... Guess what, you let those things get between you
> and your kids and you are denying responsibility for that too. If you get
> your way and you don't pay for your kids or you force to have them aborted
> you are not supporting a child or paying child support.

You fail to understand at all. Most fathers, especially those here, want to
be PARENTS, not debtors. You apparently think "fatherhood" is solely paying
a woman to breed.

>>> If the only money that your kids get from you is court ordered then that
>>> is covered by my opinion as well, but cases where the father is a
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> responsible for themselves and eventually their families despite their
> lowlife parents.

See? You don't have a clue and won't accept one. You not only don't have a
clue, you are trying to tell me about a situation that between you and me,
only I know about.
You are a sexist sh.t-for-brains. Nothing more or less.

[snip the rest of the bullshit]

Phil #3
Dusty - 03 Jul 2009 22:48 GMT
On Jul 3, 3:49 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "Dusty" <No....@home.org> wrote in message
>
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> help her/him. Wait till their ox is the one being gored.
> Phil #3

[drivel snipped]

I noticed nobody except me commented on the original lies in this
thread. Is that because it won't help the group whine to point out the
obvious?
-------------------------------
<sigh> Once again, you miss the mark X.  You replied to my reply to the OP's
first replier.
XXX@XXX.COM - 04 Jul 2009 02:59 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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>
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thats where the thread started for me, your lies and misinformation.
Start there and tell me how your lies are true and your misinformation
was anything more than a lie to support the group whine.
Dusty - 04 Jul 2009 07:23 GMT
On Jul 3, 5:48 pm, "Dusty" <No....@home.org> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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thats where the thread started for me, your lies and misinformation.
Start there and tell me how your lies are true and your misinformation
was anything more than a lie to support the group whine.
------------------------------
What I posted was my honest opinion of the situation.  Nothing more, nothing
less.
You, on the other hand, started right off and true to form, with a
predictable and fully expected ad hominem attack.
XXX@XXX.COM - 04 Jul 2009 15:18 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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> What I posted was my honest opinion of the situation.  Nothing more, nothing
> less.

You posted that he died a pauper among other things, a complete lie
not your "honest opinion".

> You, on the other hand, started right off and true to form, with a
> predictable and fully expected ad hominem attack.- Hide quoted text -
Dusty - 04 Jul 2009 19:44 GMT
On Jul 4, 2:23 am, "Dusty" <No....@home.org> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
> nothing
> less.

You posted that he died a pauper among other things, a complete lie
not your "honest opinion".

> You, on the other hand, started right off and true to form, with a
> predictable and fully expected ad hominem attack.- Hide quoted text -
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When someone dies deep in debt, as Jackson did, they are a pauper.  He "may
have" hid cash or had other assets, that doesn't change the fact that he
owed many MILLIONS of dollars and had no assets availble to clear his debts
before he died.

Observe the following from:
http://eonline.com/print/index.jsp?uuid=5c00b09c-8ae6-4760-890e-0d049950e772&con
tentType=newsStory


"..a number of significant debts owed by Jackson, including more than $300
million to Fortress Investment Group, over $1.6 million to his brother,
Randy Jackson, and assorted millions to various lawyers.
Jackson's financial woes don't end there. On Monday, a federal judge allowed
a breach-of-contract suit brought by Prescient Acquisition Group against
Jackson's MJ Publishing Trust to move forward.

The financial firm is seeking at least $48 million in fees for its role in
assisting Jackson with refinancing a $272.5 million bank loan.."

And then there's this gem from:
http://ca.lifestyle.yahoo.com/fashion-beauty/articles/archive/bang/michael-jacks
on-s-death-debt-2009-06-30


"Although he had assets worth an estimated $1.3 billion, the majority of it
was tied up in his 50 per cent ownership of The Beatles' back catalogue with
Sony Records, which he refused or was unable to sell."

Face it, X, he was broke and was trying to borrow more and more money to
support his spending sprees.
XXX@XXX.COM - 06 Jul 2009 15:38 GMT
> When someone dies deep in debt, as Jackson did, they are a pauper.  He "may
> have" hid cash or had other assets, that doesn't change the fact that he
> owed many MILLIONS of dollars and had no assets availble to clear his debts
> before he died.

Ohhh, now I understand, you are just stupid. Jackson had over 500
million in assets when he died, his debt was around 250 million. Most
of that debt was loans he took out on property he owned (neverland,
the beatles catalog etc) This was reported on every news outlet that
reported Jackson's death. You are obviously reading up on his finances
so you either can't understand that 500 is greater than 250 or you are
just a bald faced liar.

> Observe the following from:http://eonline.com/print/index.jsp?uuid=5c00b09c-8ae6-4760-890e-0d049...
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Face it, you are either lying or need a calculator. Even with my
extremely conservative estimate (based on news reports) he had 250
million, with your stupid estimate where the Beatles catalog is worth
1.3 billion he is nearly a billionaire after all the bills are paid.
Add up all the numbers you found in all the articles you read and see
if his total debt equals 1 billion. So far you have posted that he had
assets of 1.3 billion and debts that equal less than 400 million. It
is shocking that you are this ridiculous, you make a claim and then
prove that your claim is wrong in your own post, then you repeat the
claim as if you have proven something. You wonder why your agenda
isn't taken seriously and your posts are mocked every time they find
their way outside of this group.
Dusty - 04 Jul 2009 19:48 GMT
On Jul 4, 2:23 am, "Dusty" <No....@home.org> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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> nothing
> less.

You posted that he died a pauper among other things, a complete lie
not your "honest opinion".

> You, on the other hand, started right off and true to form, with a
> predictable and fully expected ad hominem attack.- Hide quoted text -
-------------------------
And then there's this one from 2005..

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-05-03-jackson-financial_x.htm

"..Jackson was in a "serious cash crisis" from overspending when a TV
documentary that raised questions about child molestation threatened his
career, an accountant testified Tuesday at the singer's trial."

Face it X, you suck at this.
XXX@XXX.COM - 06 Jul 2009 15:41 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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You are wrong as usual, not only that but you made my argument for me
in your posts. I did some quick math and figured he had about 250
million, by your math he has over 800 million after all the bills are
paid. You really are bad at math, how can anyone take you seriously
when you claim that you "pay too much in child support" or that your
children don't need whatever pittance you pay for them. You obviously
have no idea how numbers work and nobody in their right mind would
take you seriously.
Dusty - 03 Jul 2009 22:45 GMT
>>> "XXX@XXX.COM" <dtombanjo@aol.com> wrote nothing with validity or of
>>> interest.
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> help her/him. Wait till their ox is the one being gored.
> Phil #3

Indeed, I plan on laughing my a.s off on that day.  S/he can't say they
weren't warned..
Phil #3 - 08 Jul 2009 20:41 GMT
>>>> "XXX@XXX.COM" <dtombanjo@aol.com> wrote nothing with validity or of
>>>> interest.
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> Indeed, I plan on laughing my a.s off on that day.  S/he can't say they
> weren't warned..

Most likely, judging from the amount and severity of it's prejudice and
anger, XXX is a 'she' and will simply reap the rewards of being female in a
feminocentric society at the expense of her children's welfare.
Nothing new there.
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 08 Jul 2009 22:57 GMT
> >>>> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote nothing with validity or of
> >>>> interest.
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Either that or I am not a complete scumbag and I will never be
estranged from my kids or fight with my wife over small change. Did
you happen to read about Michael Jackson's funeral? It seems his kids
were upset by his death and spoke well of him. How many of you can
expect that?
Phil #3 - 10 Jul 2009 00:31 GMT
On Jul 8, 3:41 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "Dusty" <No....@home.org> wrote in message
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Either that or I am not a complete scumbag and I will never be
estranged from my kids or fight with my wife over small change. Did
you happen to read about Michael Jackson's funeral? It seems his kids
were upset by his death and spoke well of him. How many of you can
expect that?

*******************************************

You're just showing your ignorance and arrogance again. My kids love me,
visit often and call even more often. They hate their mother because they
see her for what she really is. (Keep in mind they are all grown and quite
aware).
It's not your choice whether you stay married or not , dumbshit. All it
takes is for one's wife to decide that she can kick the father out, demand
he pay her. It's quite simple and damn near guaranteed to benefit her in
more ways than just being rid of the father without having to let go of his
pocketbook.
And Being raised as a multimillionaire's child with all the privilege that
entails, I can see how they might be sad about the possibility of losing it
but then again, in talking about Jackson's children, who aren't typical
children by any stretch of the imagination.
Why are you holding Jackson up as a paragon of virtue when there are still
so many questions about 1) his mental faculties and 2) his moral compass?
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 10 Jul 2009 03:37 GMT
> On Jul 8, 3:41 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
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> they see her for what she really is. (Keep in mind they are all grown
> and quite aware).

Did you not notice the question mark at the end of that sentence? Those
indicate a question. When someone asks you "how do you get to the
freeway?" do you try to insult them and tell them how often your kids
call you? A rational person would answer a question that starts with HOW
MANY with a number.

> It's not your choice whether you stay married or not , dumbshit. All it
> takes is for one's wife to decide that she can kick the father out,
> demand he pay her. It's quite simple and damn near guaranteed to benefit
> her in more ways than just being rid of the father without having to let
> go of his pocketbook.

It is my choice as much as hers, of course I haven't given her as much
ammunition to use against me as you must have. We can go through the
whole "you get what you deserve" thing again, but it has been beaten to
death already.

> And Being raised as a multimillionaire's child with all the privilege
> that entails, I can see how they might be sad about the possibility of
> losing it but then again, in talking about Jackson's children, who
> aren't typical children by any stretch of the imagination.

They have been shielded from reality as much as Skinner's kid, they have
no idea what goes on in the real world, they were part of a traveling
circus and have no idea what money is no less how much they are due. But
they loved their dad and spoke well of him and will miss him. Even in
his drug haze he took responsibility for them.

> Why are you holding Jackson up as a paragon of virtue when there are
> still so many questions about 1) his mental faculties and 2) his moral
> compass?
> Phil #3

As has been shown to you before, I am not holding him up as anything
other than a divorced father who took responsibility for his own kids.
Directly refuting the nonsense which was posted about him in the
beginning of this thread. As a person he was a psychotic nut, nobody
under the age of 45 remembers him as anything but a child molesting
psycho with a melting face, but somehow he knew that he was responsible
for his (sorta his) kids. When I compare that to people who believe they
should have no responsibility for their own biological kids (insert
excuse here) he compares favorably.
XXX@XXX.COM - 03 Jul 2009 15:34 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote nothing of
> interest to liars who hate when other people tell the truth and don't take whines seriously.
Dusty - 03 Jul 2009 18:14 GMT
Oh, thank the Gods, you've finally admitted your a whiner.

On Jul 1, 6:12 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote nothing of
> interest to liars who hate when other people tell the truth and don't take
> whines seriously.
XXX@XXX.COM - 03 Jul 2009 19:31 GMT
> Oh, thank the Gods, you've finally admitted your a whiner.

We'll thank the gods when you take responsibility for your own
problems, learn to read and write properly. Until then I'll just make
fun of your lying and whining.
Dusty - 03 Jul 2009 22:53 GMT
On Jul 3, 1:14 pm, "Dusty" <No....@home.org> wrote:
> Oh, thank the Gods, you've finally admitted your a whiner.

We'll thank the gods when you take responsibility for your own
problems, learn to read and write properly. Until then I'll just make
fun of your lying and whining.
--------------------
Ah, the Liberal Whiner speaketh nothing of subsance yet again.

So when did you stop beating your wife?
XXX@XXX.COM - 04 Jul 2009 03:03 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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> --------------------
> Ah, the Liberal Whiner speaketh nothing of subsance yet again.

So what is a conservative to you? Someone who refuses to believe he is
responsible for his own offspring preferring that someone else raises
them and pays for them (even if it is welfare)? Someone who is so gung
ho for abortion that he believes he should be allowed to force an
abortion on someone else? I think you need a dictionary.

> So when did you stop beating your wife?

I haven't stopped yet, once you stop beating them they get uppity.
Phil #3 - 03 Jul 2009 20:52 GMT
On Jul 1, 6:12 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote nothing of
> interest to liars who hate when other people tell the truth and don't take
> whines seriously.

********************************************************

You wouldn't know the truth if it introduced itself to you, which it has
several dozen times on this NG.
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 03 Jul 2009 21:10 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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> several dozen times on this NG.
> Phil #3

HAHAHAHAH, which of you paragons of truth is willing to stop lying for
15 seconds and share the truth with me?
Dusty - 03 Jul 2009 22:57 GMT
On Jul 3, 3:52 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> several dozen times on this NG.
> Phil #3

HAHAHAHAH, which of you paragons of truth is willing to stop lying for
15 seconds and share the truth with me?
-----------------------
Oh, brother, not the freakin' "I get all my information from www.NYT.com"
thingie again, X?
Pah-leeze, even -you- can't find the articles you claim to have read there.
XXX@XXX.COM - 04 Jul 2009 03:05 GMT
> HAHAHAHAH, which of you paragons of truth is willing to stop lying for
> 15 seconds and share the truth with me?
> -----------------------
> Oh, brother, not the freakin' "I get all my information fromwww.NYT.com"
> thingie again, X?
> Pah-leeze, even -you- can't find the articles you claim to have read there.

No, my source of information about your lies is you. Why haven't you
responded to my first post in this thread? Do you agree now that your
post was just a pile of bullshit? Explain how Michael Jackson died a
pauper for starters, that was your most obvious lie in that post.
Dusty - 04 Jul 2009 07:51 GMT
On Jul 3, 5:57 pm, "Dusty" <No....@home.org> wrote:

> HAHAHAHAH, which of you paragons of truth is willing to stop lying for
> 15 seconds and share the truth with me?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Pah-leeze, even -you- can't find the articles you claim to have read
> there.

No, my source of information about your lies is you. Why haven't you
responded to my first post in this thread? Do you agree now that your
post was just a pile of bullshit? Explain how Michael Jackson died a
pauper for starters, that was your most obvious lie in that post.
-------------------------
Well, the fact he died many millions in debt would play a major part in the
opinion I stated previously.  Also, and this comes from CNN of all places -
he was a druggie.  The man (?) couldn't function properly without his
cocktail of drugs.  Not that he could function properly to begin with.. but
that's something completely different.

Honestly, I really don't care if you like what I said or not.  I spoke my
mind and that's all there is to it.  Unless you can -prove- that something
else happened, that would be the only way to get me to change my opinion of
Jackson.  But you'd have to prove it with factual information and links to
that information so it can be verified, no blind links either.

This is where you fall over each and every time - you fall to back up your
wild-assed claims, post no corroborating information/links and claim that
the drivel you spew is found at XYZ web site and provide no other clue to
the reader on what the original article is or where it can be found.  I
cannot recall a time when you ever backed up one thing you've said to anyone
here.

Whenever any of the regulars here post there is nearly always a link that
leads straight back to the article/topic in question and there is no doubt
as to the validity of their claim because of it.  But you, on the other
hand, lie out-right and condemn others just because they have an opinion
that differs from yours or they get their facts from sourses other then that
liberal cess-pit: the New York Times.

You make personal attacks at nearly every opportunity and dodge the main
topics posted about in the group, often going off into your own little
demented world view of how all men are cretinous scum and deadbeats.

For some bizarre reason, you consistently make wild personal accusations and
lay out a beautiful reason for all to add you to their kilfile.
XXX@XXX.COM - 04 Jul 2009 15:30 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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> Well, the fact he died many millions in debt would play a major part in the
> opinion I stated previously.

He was worth far more than he owed.

> Also, and this comes from CNN of all places -
> he was a druggie.  The man (?) couldn't function properly without his
> cocktail of drugs.  Not that he could function properly to begin with.. but
> that's something completely different.

And that changes his net worth by 300 million in your estimate?

> Honestly, I really don't care if you like what I said or not.  I spoke my
> mind and that's all there is to it.  Unless you can -prove- that something
> else happened, that would be the only way to get me to change my opinion of
> Jackson.  But you'd have to prove it with factual information and links to
> that information so it can be verified, no blind links either.

Already been proven, that is why I picked the simplest thing to prove.
You just made up the story that he died a pauper and stick with it no
matter how easily it is proven that you are wrong. Just like most of
your arguments here right or  wrong they go unchallenged by the other
12 idiots and defended as if your life depended on them. It is like
the deadbeat mafia "Never go against the whine Anthony"

> This is where you fall over each and every time - you fall to back up your
> wild-assed claims, post no corroborating information/links and claim that
> the drivel you spew is found at XYZ web site and provide no other clue to
> the reader on what the original article is or where it can be found.  I
> cannot recall a time when you ever backed up one thing you've said to anyone
> here.

Oh no, they are just my "honest opinion" backed up by every news
outlet covering michael jackson now, but they are just my honest
opinion. I didn't see any evidence you provided of your claim that
Jackson died a pauper, is that because you just made that up?

> Whenever any of the regulars here post there is nearly always a link that
> leads straight back to the article/topic in question and there is no doubt
> as to the validity of their claim because of it.

Bullshit, your claims for instance, show me the link.

>  But you, on the other
> hand, lie out-right and condemn others just because they have an opinion
> that differs from yours or they get their facts from sourses other then that
> liberal cess-pit: the New York Times.

No, I just state my honest opinion like you. If I read the NY Times
that day I will refer to it but just like you my honest opinion
doesn't need to be linked to anything.

> You make personal attacks at nearly every opportunity and dodge the main
> topics posted about in the group, often going off into your own little
> demented world view of how all men are cretinous scum and deadbeats.

Sounds familiar, 20 posts of personal attacks and not 1 reference to
the original post. See a pattern here? I posted facts which showed
what you were mistaken/lying about in your post and here we are 20
posts later and nobody is able to refute anything I said, just 20
posts attempting to hurl insults at me because I don't join you in
your group whine.

> For some bizarre reason, you consistently make wild personal accusations and
> lay out a beautiful reason for all to add you to their kilfile.

Yet here you are reading and responding. If you had any balls you
would just ignore my posts and let these threads die just like every
other thread in this group.
Phil #3 - 08 Jul 2009 20:42 GMT
On Jul 3, 3:52 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> several dozen times on this NG.
> Phil #3

HAHAHAHAH, which of you paragons of truth is willing to stop lying for
15 seconds and share the truth with me?

******************************************************
Herein lies the problem: ignorance can be cured, stupid goes on forever. See
if you can figure out how that applies to you.
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 08 Jul 2009 23:04 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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> if you can figure out how that applies to you.
> Phil #3

It applies to me because I continue to respond to you despite your
dishonesty and obvious stupidity. I call it irritainment, it amuses me
and I have never found a group of people whose position is less
deserving of support than the dozen or so of you who whine all day
about the fact that you have to pay and/or support your own kids. Add
to that bit of scumbaggery your REASONS why you shouldn't be
responsible for your offspring and you provide laughs for the entire
week. Just remember, Michael Jackson had 50 drug problems and was
completely out of his mind yet he managed to be a more responsible
parent than the lot of you.

I noticed you didn't counter any of the math that was recently
mentioned in this thread, is that because you are still working on a
way to lie about hard numbers?
Bob W - 09 Jul 2009 02:39 GMT
On Jul 8, 3:42 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> if you can figure out how that applies to you.
> Phil #3

It applies to me because I continue to respond to you despite your
dishonesty and obvious stupidity. I call it irritainment, it amuses me
and I have never found a group of people whose position is less
deserving of support than the dozen or so of you who whine all day
about the fact that you have to pay and/or support your own kids. Add
to that bit of scumbaggery your REASONS why you shouldn't be
responsible for your offspring and you provide laughs for the entire
week. Just remember, Michael Jackson had 50 drug problems and was
completely out of his mind yet he managed to be a more responsible
parent than the lot of you.

I noticed you didn't counter any of the math that was recently
mentioned in this thread, is that because you are still working on a
way to lie about hard numbers?

======

If you are referring to your post with numbers about MJ's estate value, you
posted the "math" to the wrong newsgroup.  This group is about child
support, not about deceased celebrities' estates.

Of course, if this were a NG about MJ you beg the question - How do you know
what the numbers are for his estate if his will is in probate before a
California Court and no details have been released to the public?
XXX@XXX.COM - 09 Jul 2009 13:46 GMT
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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> posted the "math" to the wrong newsgroup.  This group is about child
> support, not about deceased celebrities' estates.

And one of you tied it to child support and divorced fathers for some
reason, with lies and misinformation of course but that was the post I
responded to. Just another example of one lying and the others
swearing to it (or ignoring it).

> Of course, if this were a NG about MJ you beg the question - How do you know
> what the numbers are for his estate if his will is in probate before a
> California Court and no details have been released to the public?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Apparently I didn't, I underestimated by a longshot, the guy who
claimed he died a pauper showed me that he had nearly 3 times the
wealth I estimated. Of course there is no need for the will or probate
to counter the claim that "he died a pauper" since he obviously didn't.
Bob W - 10 Jul 2009 02:43 GMT
On Jul 8, 9:39 pm, "Bob W" <robe...@teleport.com> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
> posted the "math" to the wrong newsgroup. This group is about child
> support, not about deceased celebrities' estates.

And one of you tied it to child support and divorced fathers for some
reason, with lies and misinformation of course but that was the post I
responded to. Just another example of one lying and the others
swearing to it (or ignoring it).

======

By that logic, every time you post some made up BS about CS and only one
person calls you on it, you must assume everybody else agrees with your
flawed theories.  No wonder you have a problem communicating in this group.

======

> Of course, if this were a NG about MJ you beg the question - How do you
> know
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Apparently I didn't, I underestimated by a longshot, the guy who
claimed he died a pauper showed me that he had nearly 3 times the
wealth I estimated. Of course there is no need for the will or probate
to counter the claim that "he died a pauper" since he obviously didn't.

======

Still the wrong forum..
XXX@XXX.COM - 10 Jul 2009 03:51 GMT
> And one of you tied it to child support and divorced fathers for some
> reason, with lies and misinformation of course but that was the post I
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> ======

Find a time when that has happened. You all sit around waiting for me to
come back then you take turns spouting bullshit and trying to change the
subject until I get bored with the topic and forget about it.

>> Of course, if this were a NG about MJ you beg the question - How do
>> you know
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Still the wrong forum..

Did you tell the guy who tried to compare MJ to divorced fathers the
same thing? Or is this the forum where you can tell any lie, claim any
misinformation is true as long as the rest of the group agrees with your
point of view?  Sounds like you all need to create a private group where
no opinions can be heard except those that comply with the groupthink.
Wait ... I thought you all hated the commies .... eh, nobody will notice
the extra hypocrisy.

It only becomes the wrong forum when you post something that is contrary
to the group's opinion. You all drew my attention when some of you
crossposted to other groups, since then I've decided to check back once
in awhile to see what nonsense is being spewed. I am never
dissappointed. I can pick a post at random and find enough bullshit in
in to fill a book.
Bob W - 11 Jul 2009 02:17 GMT
>> And one of you tied it to child support and divorced fathers for some
>> reason, with lies and misinformation of course but that was the post I
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> come back then you take turns spouting bullshit and trying to change the
> subject until I get bored with the topic and forget about it.

The shrinks call that Anti-Social Behavior.  When a person thinks the world
revolves around them they are said to be displaying anti-social tendancies.
When self-importance overcomes a person's ability to maintain adult
perspective relationships/communication they exhibit the anti-social
behaviors associated with rebellious teenagers and substance abusers.

>>> Of course, if this were a NG about MJ you beg the question - How do you
>>> know
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> awhile to see what nonsense is being spewed. I am never dissappointed. I
> can pick a post at random and find enough bullshit in in to fill a book.

More anti-social delusions where self-importance overtakes the reality of
intelligent, factual adult communication.
XXX@XXX.COM - 11 Jul 2009 03:36 GMT
>>> And one of you tied it to child support and divorced fathers for some
>>> reason, with lies and misinformation of course but that was the post I
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> The shrinks call that Anti-Social Behavior.  

And the world would call this another lie from another loser. Check the
history of my posting here, threads with my input range from 60 to 200
responses, the average post has 0 - 2 responses. The real anti social
behaviour is your idiotic refusal to stick to the topic in a thread and
your constant need to change the subject rather than admit ANYTHING that
doesn't conform to the groupthink going on here. You are similar to
scientologists and the trench coat mafia in this way.

> When a person thinks the
> world

When maniac considers a newsgroup where everyone agrees with each
other's lies "the world" there are much deeper problems manifesting
themselves. I see you are trying to change the subject again and focus
on me more than the facts presented, what would the shrinks call that?

> revolves around them they are said to be displaying anti-social
> tendancies.

Again, expand your world beyond a group of dishonest deadbeats who will
claim anything is true if it helps them argue that they shouldn't be
responsible for their own children.

> When self-importance overcomes a person's ability to
> maintain adult perspective relationships/communication they exhibit the
> anti-social behaviors associated with rebellious teenagers and substance
> abusers.

Is this why you were all dumped by your wives and kept away from your
children? I can see that, thanks for the insight.

>> Did you tell the guy who tried to compare MJ to divorced fathers the
>> same thing? Or is this the forum where you can tell any lie, claim any
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> More anti-social delusions where self-importance overtakes the reality
> of intelligent, factual adult communication.

Yet you still try to play "projectionist psychologist" and avoid all
facts, questions and reality when it clashes with your little commie
whiner group's agenda. Try to take things one at a time and don't worry
that you are stupid, I can understand stupid people. As you can see, I
don't suffer their stupidity well, but I understand them. Tell me why it
was the wrong forum for me to point out the lies regarding MJ to a
poster who tied MJ to deadbeat dads but you had no problem with him
making up nonsense about MJ's finances to support his deadbeat agenda.
Could this have anything to do with the fact that you hate the truth
when it pierces your veil of deadbeat dadism?
Phil #3 - 15 Jul 2009 13:57 GMT
>>>> And one of you tied it to child support and divorced fathers for some
>>>> reason, with lies and misinformation of course but that was the post I
[quoted text clipped - 73 lines]
> have anything to do with the fact that you hate the truth when it pierces
> your veil of deadbeat dadism?

You can't see it but the problem is that you actually believe the voices
inside your head that tell you these lies.
If you had a clue, you wouldn't blame everyone posting of being a deadbeat,
trailer park trash or other euphemisms to salve your ignorance and bigotry.
Instead, you continually attack everything that doesn't agree with your
femino-centric anti-male drivel.
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 15 Jul 2009 15:45 GMT
> You can't see it but the problem is that you actually believe the voices
> inside your head that tell you these lies.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> agree with your femino-centric anti-male drivel.
> Phil #3

I respond in kind, did you happen to read the thread or are you just
blind to everything that isn't written by a lowlife trailerpark deadbeat?
Phil #3 - 22 Jul 2009 02:56 GMT
>> You can't see it but the problem is that you actually believe the voices
>> inside your head that tell you these lies.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I respond in kind, did you happen to read the thread or are you just blind
> to everything that isn't written by a lowlife trailerpark deadbeat?

You're a lying POS. You insult people you don't know about a situation you
know even less about all the while claiming to have it all knowed up.

Goodness help us that you are probably old enough to vote.

Phil #3
Phil #3 - 10 Jul 2009 00:33 GMT
On Jul 8, 3:42 pm, "Phil #3" <f...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "X...@XXX.COM" <dtomba...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> if you can figure out how that applies to you.
> Phil #3

It applies to me because I continue to respond to you despite your
dishonesty and obvious stupidity. I call it irritainment, it amuses me
and I have never found a group of people whose position is less
deserving of support than the dozen or so of you who whine all day
about the fact that you have to pay and/or support your own kids. Add
to that bit of scumbaggery your REASONS why you shouldn't be
responsible for your offspring and you provide laughs for the entire
week. Just remember, Michael Jackson had 50 drug problems and was
completely out of his mind yet he managed to be a more responsible
parent than the lot of you.

I noticed you didn't counter any of the math that was recently
mentioned in this thread, is that because you are still working on a
way to lie about hard numbers?

*********************************************

You're about as stupid as a two-day old mule. I don't respond the HUNDREDS
of topics in this NG, including many in threads I reply to.
I haven't checked but I'd bet you don't respond to everything in every
thread either.

Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 10 Jul 2009 03:40 GMT
> You're about as stupid as a two-day old mule. I don't respond the
> HUNDREDS of topics in this NG, including many in threads I reply to.
> I haven't checked but I'd bet you don't respond to everything in every
> thread either.
>
> Phil #3

Sorry stupid, you reply to almost all of my posts, you just refuse to
reply to the parts of my posts that shine a light on the stupidity and
dishonesty that passes for abstract thought around here. Your MO is
fairly transparent.
Phil #3 - 15 Jul 2009 14:01 GMT
>> You're about as stupid as a two-day old mule. I don't respond the
>> HUNDREDS of topics in this NG, including many in threads I reply to.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> dishonesty that passes for abstract thought around here. Your MO is fairly
> transparent.

Replying to your posts is entertainment.  You are incapable of showing
stupidity and dishonesty in others posts but you sure show your own.
I don't "refuse" to reply to any post. I do often choose not to reply to
some posts, parts of some posts or typographical errors, among others. You
don't address each and every topic in each and every post made so you're
guilty of doing exactly what you claim I and others are doing. That makes
you an emotional cripple; morally bankrupt (but I think anyone reading is
well aware of your handicap).
Phil #3
XXX@XXX.COM - 15 Jul 2009 15:55 GMT
>>> You're about as stupid as a two-day old mule. I don't respond the
>>> HUNDREDS of topics in this NG, including many in threads I reply to.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Replying to your posts is entertainment.  You are incapable of showing
> stupidity and dishonesty in others posts but you sure show your own.

I think you just have a reading comprehension problem coupled with a
deadbeat bias.

> I don't "refuse" to reply to any post. I do often choose not to reply to
> some posts, parts of some posts or typographical errors, among others.

You skip everything pertinent to the topic that you can't refute and
turn the threads into personal attacks and discussions about semantics
or a play by play of the thread.

> You don't address each and every topic in each and every post made so
> you're guilty of doing exactly what you claim I and others are doing.

I pretty much do, even though I am responding to 3 or 4 deadbeats at a
time. I don't ignore the subject of a thread and try to make the thread
personal because I can't refute something you say (like you do). Of the
4 or 5 of you, why is it that nobody was able to discuss the original
point made in this thread?

> That makes you an emotional cripple; morally bankrupt (but I think
> anyone reading is well aware of your handicap).
> Phil #3

Everyone reading? You mean the group of liars who stick together no
matter how outrageous the lie or how stupid the idea? Yeah I think that
would make you a great judge of my emotions and morality. Whenever I
need a psychological evaluation I go to a guy who claims he shouldn't be
responsible for his kids (because he can't give birth) and someone whose
moral fight is for the right to avoid child support for his own kids.

Aren't you the guy who complained about me calling you names in a recent
post? Were you offended by my use of trailer trash and deadbeat? I guess
you'll just have to get used to that.
Phil #3 - 22 Jul 2009 02:58 GMT
>>>> You're about as stupid as a two-day old mule. I don't respond the
>>>> HUNDREDS of topics in this NG, including many in threads I reply to.
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> post? Were you offended by my use of trailer trash and deadbeat? I guess
> you'll just have to get used to that.

I can always killfile you but I'd miss the entertainment of how stupid a
liberal can be.
Phil #3
 
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