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teachrmama - 02 Sep 2009 02:07 GMT
Hi, Bob.  Got a question for you.  My husband's daughter is 20--will
be 21 in April.  She is going back to school at the end of Sept.  I
know that, according to the law in your state, April is the outside
limit of his financial responsibility for her.  What can we expect to
happen now?  The child's mother called today asking him to put his
daughter on his health insurance, but, unless she is a dependent, he
can't  Besides which, his insurance is an HMO, just in this area. We
would just like to know what to expect.  Thanks!  TM
Bob W - 02 Sep 2009 03:10 GMT
> Hi, Bob.  Got a question for you.  My husband's daughter is 20--will
> be 21 in April.  She is going back to school at the end of Sept.  I
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> can't  Besides which, his insurance is an HMO, just in this area. We
> would just like to know what to expect.  Thanks!  TM

Your question is more about tax law than CS law.  The state's CS order will
be terminated at age 21, but your husband can elect to continue healthcare
coverage for his daughter after she reaches 21 and is a full-time student
until age 25.

Once his daughter turned 18 the IRS child dependency definition changed from
the special rules for divorced or never married parents to the support test.
If your husband provides over 50% of her support she is his dependent for
tax purposes.  Since most CS orders require the father to provide more than
50% of a child's total expenses, once the child reaches age 18 the support
test definition kicks in.  (See IRS publication 504.)  You can call the IRS
to confirm what I am saying.

If it were me. I'd make sure I filed tax returns (or amended returns) for
all tax years after she turned age 18 (including the year where she turned
18 in April) claiming her as a dependent.  I would not change my healthcare
plan from an HMO that is best for my subsequent family and go with the
wishes of the child's mother.

I would tell the child's mother the daughter is welcome to be included and
participate in the HMO plan but she must travel to your local area to use
the plan's healthcare services.
teachrmama - 02 Sep 2009 04:07 GMT
> > Hi, Bob.  Got a question for you.  My husband's daughter is 20--will
> > be 21 in April.  She is going back to school at the end of Sept.  I
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> participate in the HMO plan but she must travel to your local area to use
> the plan's healthcare services.

Thanks, Bob.  I need to clarify something.  Child support was
discontinued 2 years ago, when she was 18.  She did not inform us that
she had graduated from high school (a year sooner than she should
have--don't quite know how she managed that), so an extra 3 months of
CS was paid.  She has not attended school since.  Now she has decided
to go back.  Do they have to open another case?  Can they force him to
pay for the intervening 2 years that she was not attending school?
Bob W - 02 Sep 2009 05:36 GMT
On Sep 1, 7:10 pm, "Bob W" <robe...@teleport.com> wrote:
> "teachrmama" <teachrm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> participate in the HMO plan but she must travel to your local area to use
> the plan's healthcare services.

Thanks, Bob.  I need to clarify something.  Child support was
discontinued 2 years ago, when she was 18.  She did not inform us that
she had graduated from high school (a year sooner than she should
have--don't quite know how she managed that), so an extra 3 months of
CS was paid.  She has not attended school since.  Now she has decided
to go back.  Do they have to open another case?  Can they force him to
pay for the intervening 2 years that she was not attending school?

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ORS 107.108 covering CS for adult children attending school has been changed
so often over the past couple of years it is hard to keep up.

As I understand the current version of the law a child can stop going to
school after age 18 and then resume getting CS if they re-enroll at least
half time before age 21.

I would think the child has to ask the court to re-instate the CS payments,
not the mother, since they are no longer a minor.  (I have no experience
with this recent change in the law.)  Also the court can be asked to require
CS to be paid directly to the child.  That would include both the father and
mother's pro-rata share of the CS ordered.

Be sure, if any court hearing is held, to insist the child be set up as the
judgment creditor, and the child's mother's portion of the CS be included in
the order to pay the money directly to the child.  CS will end for both
parents at age 21.
teachrmama - 02 Sep 2009 06:02 GMT
> On Sep 1, 7:10 pm, "Bob W" <robe...@teleport.com> wrote:
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Thanks so much, Bob.  We'll see if she even tries to get any more
money from her dad.  She has not even been accepted at school yet, but
seems to think that she can start at the end of september.  We're just
going to have to wait to see what happens next.  Thanks again for your
help!!
Bob W - 03 Sep 2009 06:08 GMT
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On Sep 1, 9:36 pm, "Bob W" <robe...@teleport.com> wrote:
> "teachrmama" <teachrm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks so much, Bob.  We'll see if she even tries to get any more
money from her dad.  She has not even been accepted at school yet, but
seems to think that she can start at the end of september.  We're just
going to have to wait to see what happens next.  Thanks again for your
help!!
 
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