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"What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" Date: 2007-11-19, 3:52AM PST I see this question posted with some regularity in the personals section, so I thought I'd take a minute to explain things to the ladies out there that haven't figured it out. What happened to all the nice guys? The answer is simple: you did. See, if you think back, really hard, you might vaguely remember a Platonic guy pal who always seemed to want to spend time with you. He'd tag along with you when you went shopping, stop by your place for a movie when you were lonely but didn't feel like going out, or even sit there and hold you while you sobbed and told him about how horribly the (other) guy that you were f.cking treated you. At the time, you probably joked with your girlfriends about how he was a little puppy dog, always following you around, trying to do things to get you to pay attention to him. They probably teased you because they thought he had a crush on you. Given that his behavior was, admittedly, a little pathetic, you vehemently denied having any romantic feelings for him, and buttressed your position by claiming that you were "just friends." Besides, he totally wasn't your type. I mean, he was a little too short, or too bald, or too fat, or too poor, or didn't know how to dress himself, or basically be or do any of the things that your tall, good-looking, fit, rich, stylish boyfriend at the time pulled off with such ease. Eventually, your Platonic buddy drifted away, as your relationship with the boyfriend got more serious and spending time with this other guy was, admittedly, a little weird, if you werent dating him. More time passed, and the boyfriend eventually cheated on you, or became boring, or you realized that the things that attracted you to him weren't the kinds of things that make for a good, long-term relationship. So, now, you're single again, and after having tried the bar scene for several months having only encountered players and douche bags, you wonder, "What happened to all the nice guys?" Well, once again, you did. You ignored the nice guy. You used him for emotional intimacy without reciprocating, in kind, with physical intimacy. You laughed at his consideration and resented his devotion. You valued the aloof boyfriend more than the attentive "just-a-" friend. Eventually, he took the hint and moved on with his life. He probably came to realize, one day, that women aren't really attracted to guys who hold doors open; or make dinners just because; or buy you a Christmas gift that you mentioned, in passing, that you really wanted five months ago; or listen when you're upset; or hold you when you cry. He came to realize that, if he wanted a woman like you, he'd have to act more like the boyfriend that you had. He probably cleaned up his look, started making some money, and generally acted like more of an a.shole than he ever wanted to be. Fact is, now, he's probably getting laid, and in a way, your ultimate rejection of him is to thank for that. And I'm sorry that it took the complete absence of "nice guys" in your life for you to realize that you missed them and wanted them. Most women will only have a handful of nice guys stumble into their lives, if that. So, if you're looking for a nice guy, here's what you do: 1.) Build a time machine. 2.) Go back a few years and pull your head out of your a.s. 3.) Take a look at what's right in front of you and grab ahold of it. I suppose the other possibility is that you STILL don't really want a nice guy, but you feel the social pressure to at least appear to have matured beyond your infantile taste in men. In which case, you might be in luck, because the nice guy you claim to want has, in reality, shed his nice guy mantle and is out there looking to unleash his cynicism and resentment onto someone just like you. If you were five years younger. So, please: either stop misrepresenting what you want, or own up to the fact that you've f.cked yourself over. You're getting older, after all. It's time to excise the bullshit and deal with reality. You didn't want a nice guy then, and he certainly doesn't f.cking want you, now. Sincerely, A Recovering Nice Guy  SignatureHackamore http://www.hackamore.com http://hackamoretravel.blogspot.com > "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" > Date: 2007-11-19, 3:52AM PST snipped for length > Sincerely, > > A Recovering Nice Guy Unfortunately you forgot part of the story. Her name was Joan Doe. She was quiet and shy, not homely but plain. She was the one you grunted hello at while you fumbled with your keys, wearing your wet shirt your Pamela Anderson cried all over. She never failed to say hi to you as you past her apartment, and she wore her heart on her sleeve hoping you would give up being a lap dog to blonde bimbetty. Every now and then she might have even impressed you a bit with witty, intelligent conversation, even cooked you a couple grand dinners, but you stuffed it away behind the fantasies of boffing your so called "best friend". She was smart though, knew you were dazzled, and figured you would hang in there until the cows came home. Still she persisted with her "Hellos" and "How are yous" as you mumbled replies to her. Those brains took her somewhere, top of the ladder. Making a 6 figure salary, she got a personal trainer and toned up she did. Put on some make-up and looked not so plain. Her confidence was also bolstered by the fact that during those lonely nights, while you drooled after the trophy, she became intimately knowledgeable about her body and read up on how to please a man. Quite a proficient scholar she had been told! She left you at that apartment, still drooling over tits and a.s. Then one day, you bumped into her at the grocery store. Yep, you were a bad-a.s now. The girls in the world had *done you wrong*. So, while she was getting on her Italian made MV Agusta F4 CC, looking pretty damn fine, you thought to saunter over and give her that award winning smile. She shook her new highlighted, beautiful head of hair... and was gone. Simply, Vickie > > "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" > > Unfortunately you forgot part of the story. Both completely true, so here's the third part of that story: In the end the nice guy and the nice girl got together, paid attention to each other, grew up from lusting after the wrong type, got married. And now they are both out of the market and since they are married to a nice spouse they are out of the market permanently because they are going to live to be in their 90s and still be together raising a family, putting a white picket fence in their front yard and a dog in their back yard. That's why there's a lack of nice single guys and also a lack of nice single girls. Because they aren't a revolving door serial marriage partner and because they eventually turned to their own type, they paired up and removed themsevles permanently and together. Want a nice spouse? Get in that time machine and convince yourself to be nice yourself. Starting as early in your life as possible. And then don't get back into that time machine until you've also convinced yourself to pay heed to the other nice folks around. Where to buy that time machine? There are plenty to be had at the school of hard knocks - Wisdom comes from experience; experience comes from either making your own mistakes or managing to learn from the mistakes of others. > > > "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > either making your own mistakes or managing to learn > from the mistakes of others. I find it obsessively strange and silly to believe there are no nice girls, and/or no nice guys, or that for some reason the market thins or morphs as you age. How come I don't see folks saying: o Where did all the tall guys go? There were TONS of six-footers in college. All the men today look like you left them in the dryer too long. o Where did all the blonde girls go? There used to be ten blondes for every brunette, now it's like one-to-one. What the f.ck? o And where did all the rich guys go? All the guys I knew in high school were loaded. These guys today can barely hold a job dipping fries. What, did Canada open its borders and suck out all the good American guys? Jesus, I'm gonna hafta move to Taiwan just so I can find a freaking employed husband. And so on. Ridiculous. Now, you might say "thin women," or "furry-headed men," but those are just physical age-factors. Bald happens. Hips happen. sh.t happens. And sh.t don't count. But "nice?" Come on, now, nice doesn't just get beamed back up -- the pool hasn't changed. ~You~ have. You just can't see the wheat for the chaff (oh God, did I just write that...). There are a.sholes and huggables at every single age. I have had no problem finding nice women my age. - Saul > > > > "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > girls, and/or no nice guys, or that for some reason the market thins > or morphs as you age. I find it strange and silly to believe there are no nice guys or nice girls too. But it seems clear that the market does change as you age. Here I am in my 40s, and unlike 20 years ago, a lot of my contemporaries are married and thus off the market. And while it isn't true that all the nice people are married, I think it is true that a higher percentage of the good marriage partners are already married. And of course among the unmarried group, the bad marriage partners are over-represented. I'm not disagreeing with what I see as your main point - there are good people around. But the premise that the pool hasn't changed is, I think, wrong. On May 13, 12:24 pm, Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovet...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > good people around. But the premise that the pool hasn't changed is, > I think, wrong.- Me, I'm not trusting my judgement right now wrt who's a "nice guy" and who's not. I'll leave it to my son and my mechanic to help me see through the games being played, while I learn to pay more attention to my gut feelings about people than I've done in the past. The good thing about being in a small community is that I can ask around and find out how a person treats others when their places other than where I see them. I'm finding that to be a very good way to know who to avoid. Kitten > > > > "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" > > > > Unfortunately you forgot part of the story. > > > Both completely true, so here's the third part of that story: > Now, you might say "thin women," or "furry-headed men," but those are > just physical age-factors. Bald happens. Hips happen. sh.t happens. > And sh.t don't count. But sh.t does count. And the sh.t is really piling up. A lot of guys out there grow to be wanting the so called "whole package". They think it is their right, and why not? They deserve a woman who is a head turning, spit dripping off your chin, knock out. Men want brains and money from their women as well. And don't forget a second mama! But, yeah, they will forego the brains if the beauty is there. Then low-and behold!... she is flaky and flighty, treats you like that sh.t we were talking about, and is about as deep as a puddle. And the men end up scratching their balding heads wondering what the hell went wrong with dream girl. Men certainly want and deserve nice! But it has to be wrapped up in size DD cups, lush lips, waist size 0, and thin, shapley legs up to here <hold your arm up real high, yeah that's about it>. Oh wait, that is what they wanted in the early 90's. Change the DD's to a nice round backside! > But "nice?" Come on, now, nice doesn't just get beamed back up -- the > pool hasn't changed. That's true. Just that nice most of the time does not come in the model perfect bod and face a lot of men want, or maybe I will even dare to say expect. Vickie >>>>> "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Vickie Is is size 0?? I thought it was size 4? At least that's what I got from watching "The Devil Wears Prada". :-) (LOL - I'm probably the only guy who did watch it) On May 13, 2:20 pm, "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudg...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >>>>> "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Is is size 0?? I thought it was size 4? At least that's what I > got from watching "The Devil Wears Prada". :-) Size 4? Hmm, maybe guys have come a long way...baby! > (LOL - I'm probably the only guy who did watch it)- Good for you! :-) I still can't stand any Steven Sagal flick. But I have watched Arnie movies and loved them...Predator was awesome. Vickie > On May 13, 2:20 pm, "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudg...@earthlink.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Size 4? Hmm, maybe guys have come a long way...baby! With my height and bone structure, I'm too thin if I get below a size 12. I'd be completely emmaciated if I got anywhere near a 4. So I'm SOL. lol Mais, c'est la vie, n'est pas? Kitten On May 14, 8:09 am, Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe <st_brigids_gate_f...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On May 13, 2:20 pm, "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudg...@earthlink.net> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > 12. I'd be completely emmaciated if I got anywhere near a 4. So I'm > SOL. lol Mais, c'est la vie, n'est pas? Oh me too, me too. It is my bone structure and height! No, not really. Just playing. I was a size 0 for a period of time. At that same time, I was barfing up everything I ate, rarely slept, taking 2 laxatives a day. I was a wonderful girl to be around then!!! NOT! Vickie > On May 14, 8:09 am, Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > No, not really. Just playing. LOL... when I get down to a size 12, my hip bones start protruding. <shrug> Lower than that, and I start being threatened with the medicos in the family feeding me intraveniously. > I was a size 0 for a period of time. At that same time, I was barfing > up everything I ate, rarely slept, taking 2 laxatives a day. > > I was a wonderful girl to be around then!!! > > NOT! I can imagine! Kitten On May 14, 3:22 pm, Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe <st_brigids_gate_f...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On May 14, 8:09 am, Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > <shrug> Lower than that, and I start being threatened with the > medicos in the family feeding me intraveniously. I hear ya. I am average height, like 5'4", but being a size 0, I had all sorts of things protruding, hip bones, collar bones. In any case family/friends thought I wasn't looking so good. > > I was a size 0 for a period of time. At that same time, I was barfing > > up everything I ate, rarely slept, taking 2 laxatives a day. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I can imagine! :-) V > On May 14, 3:22 pm, Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > all sorts of things protruding, hip bones, collar bones. In any case > family/friends thought I wasn't looking so good. Uhm, 5'4" is SHORT, darlin'. :-) Kitten On May 15, 8:15 am, Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe <st_brigids_gate_f...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On May 14, 3:22 pm, Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > Uhm, 5'4" is SHORT, darlin'. :-) Hmph! Nuu uhh! Really? lol So, I wanted to ask you, how did the labor for bbq and beer go? Did you have it and get a lot done? I have kind of been chicken to get the ball rolling. Too many reasons why I shouldn't ask my few friend's husbands to help. 1) they probably have too much they are doing for themselves 2) it is mostly heavy lifting or gruelling grunt work that NOBODY wants to do 3) I don't want to squash my own husband's ego Stuff like that. Any advice? Vickie > On May 15, 8:15 am, Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe > [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > Stuff like that. Any advice? Haven't done it yet. First, I've got to get enough $$$$ together to get the food and beer. Then I've got to get up the energy to track down the guys who'd actually do it. I have been, however, doing just little bits at a time, some of what I can get done by myself. And YS did some loading for me the other day. Biggest thing lately, with the fronts rolling through like they've been doing, is trying to recouperate from repeated sinus infections and trying to combat the weepiness that results from over of month of dealing with this chronic crud. You know how it is when life's been challenging, then you get sick on top of it. Kitten On May 16, 5:49 am, Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe <st_brigids_gate_f...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On May 15, 8:15 am, Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe > [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > I have been, however, doing just little bits at a time, some of what I > can get done by myself. And YS did some loading for me the other day. Ah well, one step at a time. > Biggest thing lately, with the fronts rolling through like they've > been doing, is trying to recouperate from repeated sinus infections > and trying to combat the weepiness that results from over of month of > dealing with this chronic crud. You know how it is when life's been > challenging, then you get sick on top of it. Yeah, it sucks big w.nkers. I hate when I have big plans and then have to slow it all down to try and get over illness. I am very impatient and refuse to be sick, but then if I don't take the time to rest and get better, it just prolongs everything. I really hope you are on the mend, Cait. Vickie > On May 16, 5:49 am, Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe > [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] > > I really hope you are on the mend, Cait. Thanks. Taking care of the medical stuff this weekend, hoping to have it all in hand so I don't have to miss any work next week to see the doc. Going dancing with my son tonight. That's always been one of my favorite ways to deal with the fever from a sinus infection - sweat it out. lol ... besides, how many 18yo's want to hang out with their moms on the weekend? Tomorrow, I'll work on the house and on getting well. Tonight, I'm going to try to have some fun. Kitten >> On May 16, 5:49 am, Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe >> [quoted text clipped - 126 lines] >> >> I really hope you are on the mend, Cait. I know we all live in a long way from each other but respiratory/sinus infections seem to be rife everywhere at the moment! I usually throw off a cold in a week but this time it's going on three and I haven't got to the coughing stage. I hope you're feeling better soon, too, Kitten, and the distraction you've chosen does seem a very good way to get through it. > Thanks. Taking care of the medical stuff this weekend, hoping to have > it all in hand so I don't have to miss any work next week to see the > doc. Going dancing with my son tonight. That's always been one of my > favorite ways to deal with the fever from a sinus infection - sweat it > out. lol ... besides, how many 18yo's want to hang out with their > moms on the weekend? lol I'm not sure mine is up yet and it's only 2:20 pm .... We were out of the house for hours this morning with DS7 - sports, errands, coffee date along with our resident little chatty gooseberry - and back home again before either of our teenagers were awake. But both have been working and studying hard and didn't have early Saturday morning shifts at their jobs so, of course, they went nocturnal instantly! It's cold and very wet today so it's good to back inside in the warmth. > Tomorrow, I'll work on the house and on getting well. Tonight, I'm > going to try to have some fun. I'm trying to imagine DS17 wanting to go dancing with me and thinking it would be somewhere between never and hell freezing over. (But if it involved food he'd be there in a heartbeat.) Enjoy! On May 16, 6:04 pm, Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe <st_brigids_gate_f...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On May 16, 5:49 am, Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe > [quoted text clipped - 120 lines] > out. lol ... besides, how many 18yo's want to hang out with their > moms on the weekend? I am thinking not many! Never heard of sweating out a fever that way. Usually I am knocked on my a.s if my temp rises above normal. So, glad it works for you! > Tomorrow, I'll work on the house and on getting well. Tonight, I'm > going to try to have some fun. I spent the day at Satan's a.shole, aka the DMV (name courtesy of D. Cook). Then went around looking for a gift for my step-sister-in-law. My BIL is giving her a surprise party tonight...I don't want to go. Today I am all a'quiver.....laundry, toilet cleaning, and yelling at the kids! Woohoooo! Hope you had fun last night. Vickie In alt.support.marriage Bill in Co <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote: > Is is size 0?? I thought it was size 4? At least that's what I > got from watching "The Devil Wears Prada". :-) > > (LOL - I'm probably the only guy who did watch it) Not the only guy who did watch it, although in fairness, I was trapped on an /long/ plane flight and had exhausted my reading material. (Were there any "good parts" that would have been cut for the airline version?) > In alt.support.marriage Bill in Co <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote: >> Is is size 0?? I thought it was size 4? At least that's what [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > (Were there any "good parts" that would have been cut for the airline > version?) After seeing a few of the insults flying around this ng, I suspect that all the nice guys have left. SPQR. -- "Cassius was the last of the Romans." ( I have forgotten who said that, but the Emperor put him to death for saying it.) Or: "Heil Trajan?" > Men certainly want and deserve nice! But it has to be wrapped up in > size DD cups, lush lips, waist size 0, and thin, shapley legs up to > here <hold your arm up real high, yeah that's about it>. and don't forget.... inflates easily. > > Men certainly want and deserve nice! But it has to be wrapped up in > > size DD cups, lush lips, waist size 0, and thin, shapley legs up to > > here <hold your arm up real high, yeah that's about it>. > > and don't forget.... inflates easily. Well yeah, even better, as there is no nagging voice. Am I sounding bitter or something? I don't mean to, really. Just putting some thoughts out there, you know? And I do know that *all* men are not this shallow......at least not after they reach the 40 year mark, lol. Vickie > inflates easily. Are you referencing the typical women waist line that gets lazy in marriage? :) > Men certainly want and deserve nice! But it has to be wrapped up in > size DD cups, lush lips, waist size 0, and thin, shapley legs up to > here <hold your arm up real high, yeah that's about it>. Hi, what's funny is my wife #2 is jealous of wife #1 basically because of the size of her tits... no granted they are spectacular (36F) and when fitted into a size 10 is centerfold material... but she's crazy as a loon! (tried to burn down the house crazy) >> But "nice?" Come on, now, nice doesn't just get beamed back up -- the >> pool hasn't changed. I must say I'm happy with 34b's, a nice a.s, smart, long hair, good in bed, caring.... >> Men certainly want and deserve nice! But it has to be wrapped up in >> size DD cups, lush lips, waist size 0, and thin, shapley legs up to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > fitted into a size 10 is centerfold material... but she's crazy as a > loon! (tried to burn down the house crazy) I dont see why large breasts are so awsome. We all start wearing them lower sooner or later, and the large ones can droop down to the waste! >>> But "nice?" Come on, now, nice doesn't just get beamed back up -- >>> the pool hasn't changed. > > I must say I'm happy with 34b's, a nice a.s, smart, long hair, good in > bed, caring.... One way I knew DH was mine was that he has loved me through overweight, haircuts he HATED (said it made me look like his mother), various sized chest (weight gain and loss)... And I have a terribly flat bottom which he insists is lovely. My husband is absolutely gorgeous. (I don't know if this is objectively true.) But I thought he was gorgeous when he was an overweight, super bearded mountain man looking guy. Looks for me change with knowledge of the person. When I was in college, I used to see this guy at breakfast every morning. He was simply vision of a man gorgoeus. Over time I got to know him and become something like friends. And as I realized he was not very nice, selfish and self centered, I noticed that he just did not look all that attractive to me anymore. His buddy, whom I later dated, was not good looking At All. But he was very nice, funny and was just a fun great person. I later started noticing attractive physical characteristics (like large pectoral muscles). And he became quite attractive. Does this happen to anyone else? (snip) > Looks for me change with knowledge of the person. When I was in college, I > used to see this guy at breakfast every morning. He was simply vision of a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > characteristics (like large pectoral muscles). And he became quite > attractive. Does this happen to anyone else? Absolutely. Though I confess that I found my wife extremely attractive before I knew anything about her (and still find her so). > Looks for me change with knowledge of the person. When I was in college, I > used to see this guy at breakfast every morning. He was simply vision of a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > characteristics (like large pectoral muscles). And he became quite > attractive. Does this happen to anyone else? Oh, definitely. When I first met my husband I wasn't all that attracted to him - not repulsed or anything, but he didn't make my heart go pitter-patter. After a few weeks of dating I started to really like him, and I clearly remember looking over at him at one point and noticing that he'd somehow become incredibly sexy and thinking to myself, "Oh, no, I'm in trouble now." :-) Sarah > Oh, definitely. When I first met my husband I wasn't all that > attracted to him - not repulsed or anything, but he didn't make my > heart go pitter-patter. After a few weeks of dating I started to > really like him, and I clearly remember looking over at him at one > point and noticing that he'd somehow become incredibly sexy and > thinking to myself, "Oh, no, I'm in trouble now." :-) I met my husband in a Psych. Lab. He was a friend of a friend and we started sitting together in lectures but the first conversations we had were actually arguments about politics and I thought he was so stubborn! He had gorgeous legs, though, and after a while I noticed my breathing tended to change if I stood close to him. I was going out with someone else at the time so it wasn't until a few months later when I was free before he asked me out. We'd got to be quite good friends by that point and the pivotal moment occurred when a group of all single friends went away over a long weekend to ski Mt Ruapehu. Sigh. I'm surprised I passed my classes that semester, we were joined at the hip! > Looks for me change with knowledge of the person. When I was in > college, I used to see this guy at breakfast every morning. He was [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > characteristics (like large pectoral muscles). And he became quite > attractive. Does this happen to anyone else? Oh sure! Some people are just beautiful to look upon or they move with grace or have a voice that stirs our emotions and so they appeal to our aesthetic senses first. But our reason and emotions take over eventually so someone can become dull or ugly, or go from ordinary to gorgeous, once we get to know them. Very good-looking people do get a head start in that most people will be more open to finding out whether the personality matches the face when the face (or body) is attractive. <snipped> > Looks for me change with knowledge of the person. When I was in college, I > used to see this guy at breakfast every morning. He was simply vision of a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > characteristics (like large pectoral muscles). And he became quite > attractive. Does this happen to anyone else? Yep. I've dated someone who was totally "not my type," based on a connection made during conversations. And I've known "Hollywood" types who became very unattractive to me based on personality. Kitten > Looks for me change with knowledge of the person. When I was in > college, I used to see this guy at breakfast every morning. He was [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > characteristics (like large pectoral muscles). And he became quite > attractive. Does this happen to anyone else? Looks call also change with timing...ie where you are emotionally when you meet someone new. I've met ladies where I really felt little or no attraction at first, yet several months later I'd see them again and say to myself.. "man she's hot, why didn't I notice that before?" So, I think chemisty also has alot to do with timing. > > Men certainly want and deserve nice! But it has to be wrapped up in > > size DD cups, lush lips, waist size 0, and thin, shapley legs up to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I must say I'm happy with 34b's, a nice a.s, smart, long hair, good in > bed, caring.... Notice how "caring" comes down at the bottom of the list??? Kitten >>>>> "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" >>>> Unfortunately you forgot part of the story. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > And the men end up scratching their balding heads wondering what the > hell went wrong with dream girl. Do you notice that you are generalizing? This is an emotional state. There are plenty of down to earth men and women. Know they self is the first step to find the right partner. > Men certainly want and deserve nice! But it has to be wrapped up in > size DD cups, lush lips, waist size 0, and thin, shapley legs up to > here <hold your arm up real high, yeah that's about it>. > > Oh wait, that is what they wanted in the early 90's. Change the DD's > to a nice round backside! It's not true. Some guys aren't all guys. >> But "nice?" Come on, now, nice doesn't just get beamed back up -- the >> pool hasn't changed. > > That's true. Just that nice most of the time does not come in the > model perfect bod and face a lot of men want, or maybe I will even > dare to say expect. What about honesty, compassion, partnership and being responsible? You sound bitter and it won't help. My grand father believed that for every man and woman there is the right partner somewhere. Know who you are and figure out who might be your match. But it's to early for that at this stage. Take note how different people enjoy them selfs in different ways. Men or women. Can you connect emotionally with any of them? I have been in the negative. It didn't help > Vickie > I find it obsessively strange and silly to believe there are no nice > girls, and/or no nice guys, or that for some reason the market thins > or morphs as you age. Reason you keep having the problems you have with women,,, you are in your own way like many, never learning to move forward so the smart one's see though your reflection and head the other direction. > > > "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > a white picket fence in their front yard and a dog in their > back yard. Grew up. Key words here. I find it hard to believe anyone can find a life partner before the age of 30 anymore. Vickie >>>> "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Vickie Yet another sign of the times, my dear. :-) On May 13, 2:27 pm, "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudg...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >>>> "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Yet another sign of the times, my dear. :-)- Hide quoted text - Yield? Detour? No Rigs Over 5 Tons? Do Not Enter?.......LOL. (Totally made myself laugh there.) Vickie > "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" > Date: 2007-11-19, 3:52AM PST [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > A Recovering Nice Guy Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage, saith Shakespeare. A man who swears like you would be better hanged than married. You are so sure you are a "nice guy". Are you? You talk to women as though they were dirt. Is that what "nice guys" do? Sorry, all the really nice guys are getting the girls while "Mr Nice Guy" sits back and plays Victim. Doug L. More interested in my wife than in myself. Hint! Hint! > "What Happened to All the Nice Guys?" > Date: 2007-11-19, 3:52AM PST [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > A Recovering Nice Guy Womean are women, men are men. > What happened to all the nice guys? Nice guys head in the opposite direction from wacko single or married women that think the grass is greener and or haven't learned from their mistakes needing others to practice on. |
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