Who is the more selfish sexual morph?

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PandoraElpis - 14 Aug 2009 23:54 GMT

If we are to apply kind of rigorous standard for selfishness, it must
follow from an inverse relationship with unconditional biological
altruism(where an organism is compelled to defer reproductive success
in favor of rival evolutionary gains) - which is frequently in
evidence with sterility affected/manipulated low quality males
(popularly denounced as 'losers'), but only rarely indicated in
weighing upon female fitness.

Thus, I submit that a lower frequency of biological altruism,
combined with the fact that female sexual choice represents the most
contentiouus/contrary locus in all human conflict(down to extended
reproductive intervals), successfully demonstrate females as a
singularly onerous and selfish morph.

- No two more dispirate quantities exist in nature, as between what
females claim, and what they demonstrate.

- It truly is the height of fem hubris to assume that male courtship
could possibly reduce to anything more noble than the basest
asymmetries at the lowest levels of dimorphic sex.

- Self determination is an artifice of irreducible properties of
inheritence, preserved through a prior history of evolutionary
outcomes.

- Males have been shaped by evolutionary pressures to be the dynamic
shock troops of evolution, entailing extremes in the human condition,
which are, as in all opportunistic organisms, dependent soley on
condition.

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Hannele - 17 Aug 2009 08:23 GMT

> If we are to apply kind of rigorous standard for selfishness, it must
> follow from an inverse relationship with unconditional biological
> altruism(where an organism is compelled to defer reproductive success
> in favor of rival evolutionary gains)

Now, you are completely wrong: take a holistic look at the subject and
you will notice that the bigger ones will eat the smaller ones, so the
allying kind, the altruistic will eat the so called selffish, i.e. the
short-sightedly selfisn non-altruistical ones. It is the group against
an individual! The group will win!

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PandoraElpis - 17 Aug 2009 23:43 GMT

Hannele schreef:

> > If we are to apply kind of rigorous standard for selfishness, it must
> > follow from an inverse relationship with unconditional biological
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> short-sightedly selfisn non-altruistical ones. It is the group against
> an individual! The group will win!

You are confusing 'co-operation' with altruism.

Unconditional bio-altruism(absolute altruism, if you will) implies
greater concessions in reproductive fitness, end of story(you cannot
have a stable population of absolute altruists, as they reproduce
less, or not at all - which is what makes them biological altruists).

This is why such altruism is almost exclusively found in males of low
sexual quality, as their co-operation is coerced/manipulated(through
punishment) while being deprived of reproductive benefits(by
competitive/hostile males, and uninterested females) regardless of
their contributions towards the evolutionary success of the group
(lending to interpretations of inclusive fitness - a nice way of
wording an evolutionary raw deal).

Male altruists are the unsung victims of all socially organized,
sexually reproducing organisms(which is what we should expect, as a
cryptic status dilemma is exponent of the same conspecific pressures
which act upon their complicity).

The passive fates of females, on the other hand, would appear to
represent the lap of evolutionary luxury(but through no agency of
their own, and thus entailing a necessary dilemma of dimorphic sex),
resisting classifications of altruism.

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Who is the more selfish sexual morph?