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David John Thornton - 30 Sep 2004 01:48 GMT
 I had threats last year from my mother inlaw during a seperation agreement
about not ever seeing my daughter.  I signed a seperation agreement made out
by only my wife and I. No lawyers wrote it up.  I got ripped plus my mother
inlaw was the witness.

 Legally can a mother inlaw be a witness for a seperation agreement?  Is
that not biased towards my wife/?  Is it legal
iNet Group - 30 Sep 2004 02:05 GMT
>  I had threats last year from my mother inlaw during a seperation
> agreement
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>  Legally can a mother inlaw be a witness for a seperation agreement?  Is
> that not biased towards my wife/?  Is it legal

Dumb choice for a witness, yes.  Perfectly legal.
David John Thornton - 30 Sep 2004 03:08 GMT
Also, I would add that I had nothing but threats and also my wife withheld
the fact that she does have a pension.  We had no legal finacial disclosure.
I was threaten of not seeing my daughter which they are doing right now.
Can I get the seperation agreement thrown out because of these things?  I
was threatened with my wife taking my pension meanwhile she has a pension
and RRSP's that she did not tell me about.

> >  I had threats last year from my mother inlaw during a seperation
> > agreement
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>
> Dumb choice for a witness, yes.  Perfectly legal.
Laura - 30 Sep 2004 06:41 GMT
> Also, I would add that I had nothing but threats and also my wife withheld
> the fact that she does have a pension.  We had no legal finacial disclosure.
> I was threaten of not seeing my daughter which they are doing right now.
> Can I get the seperation agreement thrown out because of these things?  I
> was threatened with my wife taking my pension meanwhile she has a pension
> and RRSP's that she did not tell me about.

Check with an attorney pronto.  You may be able to have the agreement set
aside if your situation meets the requirements.  Not because of the witness,
but because you signed under duress and possibly failure to disclose all
information.  I say "pronto," because often there are statutes of
limitations attached.

Laura in CA

> > >  I had threats last year from my mother inlaw during a seperation
> > > agreement
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> >
> > Dumb choice for a witness, yes.  Perfectly legal.
The Dave© - 30 Sep 2004 17:47 GMT
> Laura wrote:
> Check with an attorney pronto.  You may be able to have the agreement
> set aside if your situation meets the requirements.  Not because of
> the witness, but because you signed under duress and possibly failure
> to disclose all information.  I say "pronto," because often there are
> statutes of limitations attached.

It is my impression that if any pertinent information is found to have
been purposely withheld, the whole deal can be set aside.  It would
seem easy in a case like this.  I'm sorry, but people just don't
"forget" that they have pensions.

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War?

Big RJ - 30 Sep 2004 17:34 GMT
David,

I have no idea what I'm talking about, and I am not an attorney.  The
following is my opinion only.

Do you have any proof of threats?  Go to a store, buy a recorder that can be
plugged into a phone, and some tapes.  Radio Shack has them.  Record every
conversation you have with them on the phone. I would imagine that having
threats on the phone or via email would help show duress on your part.
Maybe that would help.

You should also talk with an attorney, even if just a free or low cost
consultation.  See what your rights are.  Your situation is very ugly, and
you will need to fight her legally to keep seeing your child.

Good luck!

Big RJ

> Also, I would add that I had nothing but threats and also my wife withheld
> the fact that she does have a pension.  We had no legal finacial disclosure.
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> >
> > Dumb choice for a witness, yes.  Perfectly legal.
Fred - 30 Sep 2004 04:14 GMT
>  I had threats last year from my mother inlaw during a seperation agreement
>about not ever seeing my daughter.  I signed a seperation agreement made out
>by only my wife and I. No lawyers wrote it up.  I got ripped ...

Don't bitch.  You wrote it, you signed it, you suffer the
consequences.

>... plus my mother inlaw was the witness.

See what I mean?
David John Thornton - 30 Sep 2004 04:40 GMT
 But my wife did not reveal her pension or her RRSP's.  Half mine according
to law.

> >  I had threats last year from my mother inlaw during a seperation agreement
> >about not ever seeing my daughter.  I signed a seperation agreement made out
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> See what I mean?
Fred - 30 Sep 2004 06:08 GMT
>> >  I had threats last year from my mother inlaw during a seperation
>agreement
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>  But my wife did not reveal her pension or her RRSP's.  Half mine according
>to law.

And had you insisted on full disclosure p front, it would not have
been an issue.  A quick look at her tax returns and pay stubs would
have done the trick.

But you let a third party (the mama) bully you into submission.

If you can prove what you say, then the court should have no problem
in overturning the separation agreement and dividing all assets IAW
the laws of your province.  That includes the marital home, so if
you're lucky you might get some of your investment back.

And if you find yourself having to renegotiage some things, make it
clear that her mother has no place at the table, period.
Casey - 30 Sep 2004 05:03 GMT
David John Thornton said...
>   I had threats last year from my mother inlaw during a seperation agreement
> about not ever seeing my daughter.  I signed a seperation agreement made out
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>   Legally can a mother inlaw be a witness for a seperation agreement?  Is
> that not biased towards my wife/?  Is it legal

Did you file it?

I don't remember ever reading anything that said only a lawyer can
write up a separation agreement.  I wrote my own divorce agreement and
filed it.  

I think I'd have a hard time claiming my divorce was invalid just
because no lawyer was involved - plus I should be declared legally
insane if I were to even momentarily desire such a reversal.

Casey
barry@psyber.com - 30 Sep 2004 18:17 GMT
The mother in law has no reason to be involved in a settlement agreement.

You need to contact a Family Law attorney and have the existing agreement
nullified as it's probably not legally valid (and the attorney will
help you with this).

Additionally, you need to have the attorney draft a legitimate dissolution/
settlement agreement as well as a Custody Order that clearly defines
(for example doesn' state "reasonable visitation decided between parents"
but instead, first, third, and fifth weekend of month, etc) the time
you are to have with your child.  

You already know that they're going to give you trouble with parenting
time so (again) make it CLEAR, which days the child will be with you
so you can pursue a contempt citation with the mother should they
not observe the custody order.

Keep the mother in law out of the negotiations.  It's not her marriage/divorce.

b.
 
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