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Twenty goodbyes...a letter of gratitude

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Willow - 29 Dec 2004 20:09 GMT
Dear STBX,

It wasn't easy to break up after 25 years together --such a LONG
time.After 10 months of separation and with divorce on the horizon,  I
say goodbye to the dreams of our raising our younger child together, of
celebrating family milestones together (graduations, weddings,
grandchildren). I say goodbye to dreams of retiring together and
growing old together and even going through the final journey as a
married couple.I say goodbye to the idea and ideal of an intact family.
I say goodbye to the stability and respectability and the sense of
rootedness I had because I was your wife.

On the other hand, I am very glad and relieved to say goodbye to:

1. The stress and tension and depressed energy you
seem to carry with you, an energy that affected the whole household
when you were around. Goodbye to the way you constantly put your head
in your hands, or rubbed your eyes, or sighed that exasperated sigh...
as we all made you so miserable. Goodbye to the misery you wore on your
sleeve, and the feeling that I was somehow the source of that misery.

2. The stressful dinners, almost every night, that ended in an argument
and indigestion.

3. The way you treated our son, which was argumentative, belittling and
often humiliating. I don't understand if or why you felt threatened by
his intellect and his opinions but I didn't like the way you often
treated him. Yeah, he was a difficult kid, but he worshipped you and
respected you and he deserved better than that. It was painful to watch
and I thank my lucky stars I don't have to see it anymore, and that
more importantly, it happens less frequently because you don't have as
many opportunities.

4. The way you sometimes manhandled him, even if he provoked it. I
remember all the times you kicked him out of the car and made him walk
home, the time you grabbed him and completely ripped off his sleeve,
the bloody nose you gave him... even if he was almost as big as you and
even if he started it, you should have been above it and you were not.

5. I'm glad to say goodbye to your lack of interest in sex, and the way
it made me feel. I remember the time I posed for you in my new teddy
and you looked at me with some combination of amusement and detachment.
I felt like a fool.

6. I'm glad to say goodbye to your intensifying interest in your band,
the way it took you away from me and the family, the kind of nightlife
you experienced as a musician, the flirtations with your singer, the
affectionate emails between the two of you and the endless suspicion
and jealousy it caused me.

7. I'm glad to say goodbye to feeling unimportant in your life, feeling
like a low priority who wasn't valuable enough to invite on business
trips when your other colleagues seemed excited about taking their
wives along.

8. I'm glad to say goodbye to all your neuroses, and the way they
infected the rest of us. Your fear of traveling in bad weather, and how
it stopped us from taking road trips. Your fear of flying, which our
son now shares.

9. I am THRILLED to say goodbye to all the crappy TV shows that
permeated our airspace, especially the shows that made me wonder
whether you had a thing for younger women, or other women... the
obsession with Buffy the Vampire Slayer and before that, Xena the
Warrior. Goodbye to feeling that any crap on TV was more appealing to
you than talking to me..the incredibly stupid B-grade westerns and any
show that featured nubile young women, like Charmed. Goodbye to feeling
like I had to compete with Alyssa Milano for your attention.

10. I am glad to say goodbye to the way you seemed to put TV above me,
how you watched it every single night instead of making any kind of
intimate connection with me, the way you raised the volume when I tried
to talk to you sometimes, even when the time I came downstairs and told
you I thought I might be experiencing perimenopause... I remember how
you looked at me blankly and reached for that damn remote control. And
I remember how much I really hated you then. I am glad to say goodbye
to those feelings.

11. I am glad to say goodbye to all the subtle ways you humiliated and
embarrassed me: how you interrupted my business meetings and business
phone calls to make juvenile demands, your way of saying that my work
didn't count as much as your need for attention, your need to
demonstrated your dominance, just like a dog peeing to mark his
territory.

12. I'm glad to say goodbye to the way you managed to spoil so many
family celebrations. The way you stopped talking to me when we
vacationed in Wisconsin, and then after I begged you to tell me what
was bothering you, you finally told me that you thought I was too busy
with work. And then when I gave up my work to help improve our
marriage, nothing really changed. You continued to be withholding and
uninterested in sex. So yes, I'm very glad to say goodbye to all that.

13. And goodbye to way you made other people--my friends!--feel
sometimes. How almost everyone said they were intimidated by the way
you spoke on the phone and some (strong, smart women) were even
hesitant to call the house for fear that you'd pick up.

14. And goodbye to the way you responded to some really nice people,
and how that made me feel self conscious and uncomfortable. Like the
time Laura stopped by our table at the cafe and talked (maybe a little
too long for your taste). So that when she finally left, you were mad
at her and even mad at me simply because she stopped by for some
friendly chat. You were often unfriendly to people who mattered to me,
and I thought that was, ultimately, a sign of disrespect to me. So yes,
a hearty goodbye to feeling self conscious and afraid that someone
might have the nerve to talk to us when we're "out on the town." Or in
a supermarket. Or anywhere else.

15. Goodbye to the way you deliberately DIDN'T do what I asked you to
simply because I asked you, and presumed you'd actually respond. Like
the time I asked you to bring in perishable groceries from the car but
you were busy watching TV and never brought them in, and in fact
perceived my request as a kind of nagging. I couldn't understand why
you'd think that. I wasn't a nag. And I usually tried to do things on
my own. But that day I asked for help and you seemed to take pleasure
in making me (and the perishables) wait. Goodbye to that!

16. Goodbye to the way you behaved those times you came home to a messy
kitchen, the way you wouldn't smile or make eye contact, how you
withdrew from me... all because of a few drinking glasses on the
kitchen counter. I have seen your new apartment and every time I've
been there I've been struck by the enormous mess... so it wasn't me or
my mess after all.

17. Goodbye to the knot in my stomach I'd get every time I heard the
garage door open, and how I felt compelled to frantically clear the
counter and kitchen table, even if I'd only just gotten home myself. Of
course I take responsibility for my response: no one can force another
person to behave that way... it was my choice, but I felt at the time
that I had no other choice. I didn't want you to be mad.

18. Goodbye to all the time you spent on email, the way you quickly
closed the email window when I walked into the room, the email
flirtations you had with various women, the back-and-forth emails that
were practically real-time conversations when you could have been
talking to me.

19. Goodbye to your reaction almost every time I cooked a meal, the way
you'd ask, what's in this? Or say, this chicken is overcooked with that
pained, disappointed look on your face. I'm no Betty Crocker but I'm
not a bad cook. And goodbye to your criticizing how I loaded the
dishwasher. I remember how you called me downstairs, as if I was a
child, and said, "Watch closely. THIS is how one loads a dishwasher."
Goodbye to your criticism, your arrogance and your condescension.

20. Goodbye to your stale, pungent body odor and bad breath, which you
inherited from your father and probably will never get rid of. (This
feels mean to say, but since you will never get this letter, I might as
well mention it.) Which reminds me, goodbye to your parents, who never
really liked me much... to be more specific would require an entirely
new list so I'll just leave it at that.

I know it will take months, maybe years, before I completely feel the
gratitute and relief I've expressed in this note. But I'm hoping that
this letter with its 20 different goodbyes will help me along my
journey. Goodbye.
The Dave© - 29 Dec 2004 20:23 GMT
> Willow wrote:
> Dear STBX,
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>
> <snipped for brevity>

I almost hate to ask, and I don't want to sound like I'm discounting
your feelings, but was there anything that was good?

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The only difference between a rut and a grave is their dimensions.  ~
Ellen Glasgow

Willow - 29 Dec 2004 20:36 GMT
I think I mentioned some of that: we had some good dreams together, and
I had a sense of stability and rootedness. There was a lot of good of
the years, but so little of it actually endured.Here's what was good:
1. the familiarity and comfort that builds after all those years
together
2. bringing our children into the world,
3. celebrating each others' professional accomplishments (which came
with a price, though)
4. knowing I had an ally and advocate as I struggled with my crazy
family. I played the same role in his life as he struggled with his own
family.
5. the security and safety that came with being married to a man who
got things done, who didn't take crap from anyone.
6. finally (although this is by no means a comprehensive list) it was
good to be with an intellectual, though that certainly has its downside
too. I doubt I'll find anyone else with that kind of mind.
Bill in Co. - 29 Dec 2004 20:53 GMT
> I think I mentioned some of that: we had some good dreams together, and
> I had a sense of stability and rootedness. There was a lot of good of
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> good to be with an intellectual, though that certainly has its downside
> too. I doubt I'll find anyone else with that kind of mind.

Yeah, I know there must have been some good stuff, otherwise it wouldn't
have lasted so long, right?    Like you, we had a really long relationship
(about the same length).

Where are you now in this process, Willow?    How would you assess that?
And how do you see getting thru this process?   Have you seen any Light (at
the end of the tunnel) yet?    (I haven't seen much light, that's for sure)
Willow - 29 Dec 2004 21:02 GMT
Honestly, I'm not sure exactly where I am in the process. I think that
after 10 months of separation, I'm turning some kind of corner. I
cooked a real meal for the first time a few weeks ago, and rearranged
my kitchen the way I like it, not the way he insisted on having it. I
see this as progress.

On the other hand, I was devastated a few days ago when I stopped by
his apartment and found pictures of his new, very thin, very young
girlfriend literally all over the place.

On the OTHER, other hand, I think I'm about done with the fantasies
that we might get back together (even though I'm the one who pulled the
plug). Up until very recently, I always assumed that he wanted to be
with me again. For instance, if he happened to sigh a certain way, or
say he was doing "just OK" when I'd ask "how are you?"... I immediately
thought the subtext was, I miss you. I love you. I want us to be
together. So I guess it's progress that this week I finally stopped
assuming that, or fantasizing about it.

This list is progress. So are my plans to repaint the bedroom and purge
the house. And now I'm ordering books on amazon that I plan to read,
books about letting go and rebuilding one's life. I guess that's
progress too.

But 10 months ago, and all this time until recently, I've been in
denial, I've felt real grief, I've been nostalgic, I've been angry and
jealous... all normal but also indicators that I was far from healed
(just in the process of healing, not a bad thing in and of itself). I'm
still far from healed, but I'm a little closer than I was last month or
even last week.

I did break all the rules by getting involved with someone right out of
the gate, and we are still involved. A part of me doesn't really know
how to be anything but COUPLED.

But I feel myself pulling back, being less dependent and attached, and
really just focusing on myself. Learning about myself. All that cliche
stuff. Tomorrow I take my kids on a cruise, something my STBX never
wanted to do. I'm really looking forward to it. Anyway, thanks for your
comments. Happy New Year.
Bill in Co. - 29 Dec 2004 21:12 GMT
> Honestly, I'm not sure exactly where I am in the process. I think that
> after 10 months of separation, I'm turning some kind of corner. I
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> wanted to do. I'm really looking forward to it. Anyway, thanks for your
> comments. Happy New Year.

Sure, anytime.   And - Happy New Year to you too!   Sounds like next year
will most likely be better (it's gotta get better, right?).

Anyways, enjoy the cruise, Willow (I'm betting the kids will too)!
Bill
I.A. Manny - 31 Dec 2004 15:58 GMT
I found out along time ago when you "low crawl" and nose around it
almost never hurts anyone but yourself.
Anyway, he most likley had to pay for her "time" and the pictures were
left there for you to see. Why would a young woman be interested in an
old man anyway? "OLD" meaning over 10 years older. Does he have money?
Men will never realize, never, how old and disgusting they are to young
women. Why don't you men get real, and face it? Date someone closer to
your age! You say, "but I'm not attracted to women my age" Well, what
does a much OLDER woman look like to you?  See what I mean gentlemen?
See what "old and disgusting" looks like to a young woman?
John Riggs - 31 Dec 2004 22:58 GMT
   Obviously a troll.....

   Don't everyone rush to post an answer now. we don't want to overload
it's brain
Jonesy2222 - 31 Dec 2004 23:04 GMT
>From: catchyphrase@webtv.net  (I.A. Manny)

>Why would a young woman be interested in an
>old man anyway? "OLD" meaning over 10 years older. Does he have money? Men
will never realize, never, how old and disgusting they are to young women.

----------

Wow...

Well before I was married, I dated someone that was older than I was (17 years
older).  

Right now, I live around younger men (not interested), been asked out by men my
own age (not interested).

I actually 'prefer' an older man, and it has nothing to do with his looks or
wallet but more because of the level of maturity, and my preferences.

Plus I make a very good wage, and not need anyone to pay my or my childrens
way.

Old and disgusting - if a woman is shallow, she will feel most men are beneath
her - same as if a man is shallow.  Got to look beyond - for something that is
more worth while.. (personality, intelligence, etc).

Deb.
The Dave© - 29 Dec 2004 21:21 GMT
> Willow wrote:
> I think I mentioned some of that: we had some good dreams together,
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> good to be with an intellectual, though that certainly has its
> downside too. I doubt I'll find anyone else with that kind of mind.

Sorry for asking, but I sometimes wonder when there's an all-bad or
all-good rant like that.  But, to be fair, I do understand it's
therapeutic and have been known to do it myself on occasion.  There's
something in me that says keeping a decent perspective is healthy (at
least in the long run), so I try to not forget the good things, too.

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The only difference between a rut and a grave is their dimensions.  ~
Ellen Glasgow

YooperBoyka - 30 Dec 2004 15:58 GMT
>I think I mentioned some of that: we had some good dreams together, and
> I had a sense of stability and rootedness. There was a lot of good of
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> good to be with an intellectual, though that certainly has its downside
> too. I doubt I'll find anyone else with that kind of mind.

I see a lot that indicates that you found "marriage" good,
but little that says you found marriage to *him* good.
Ren - 30 Dec 2004 16:50 GMT
>>I think I mentioned some of that: we had some good dreams together, and
>> I had a sense of stability and rootedness. There was a lot of good of
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> I see a lot that indicates that you found "marriage" good,
> but little that says you found marriage to *him* good.

That's a good thing.  Means that someday she can have a good relationship
with someone *not like him*.
YooperBoyka - 30 Dec 2004 18:36 GMT
>>>I think I mentioned some of that: we had some good dreams together, and
>>> I had a sense of stability and rootedness. There was a lot of good of
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> That's a good thing.  Means that someday she can have a good relationship
> with someone *not like him*.

<nods head>
I can buy that I guess.
...but how can someone be married that long and not have any
good memories of "the person"?
I mean, it begs the question, "Why were they married in the first place?"
Convienience?
LoriMc - 29 Dec 2004 20:26 GMT
> Dear STBX,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> family. I say goodbye to the stability and respectability and the
> sense of rootedness I had because I was your wife.

Writing this must have been very painful for you, but also therapeutic. I
can relate to so much of what you wrote, other parts made me want to cry for
what you have gone through.

Take care, you will heal in time and life can and will become good for you
again.

Lori Mc

> On the other hand, I am very glad and relieved to say goodbye to:
>
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> this letter with its 20 different goodbyes will help me along my
> journey. Goodbye.
Bill in Co. - 29 Dec 2004 20:28 GMT
> Dear STBX,
>
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> this letter with its 20 different goodbyes will help me along my
> journey. Goodbye.

(((Willow)))

What a heartfelt, soulful note, Willow.    Geeez, it was depressing reading
thru this, and trying to put myself in your shoes.    How humiliated you
must have felt.

Hopefully it is cathartic for you.   Still, looking back, it's sad thinking
about what could have been, and is lost forever, isn't it.     But.... maybe
it was only a dream, and it never really was there.     I dunno....

(((Willow)))
DaKitty - 30 Dec 2004 01:32 GMT
ouch ouch ouch!
I'm sorry things have been like that for you...
Now you have a chance for a new beginning :)

> Dear STBX,
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> On the other hand, I am very glad and relieved to say goodbye to:
 
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