Twenty goodbyes...a letter of gratitude
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Willow - 29 Dec 2004 20:09 GMT Dear STBX,
It wasn't easy to break up after 25 years together --such a LONG time.After 10 months of separation and with divorce on the horizon, I say goodbye to the dreams of our raising our younger child together, of celebrating family milestones together (graduations, weddings, grandchildren). I say goodbye to dreams of retiring together and growing old together and even going through the final journey as a married couple.I say goodbye to the idea and ideal of an intact family. I say goodbye to the stability and respectability and the sense of rootedness I had because I was your wife.
On the other hand, I am very glad and relieved to say goodbye to:
1. The stress and tension and depressed energy you seem to carry with you, an energy that affected the whole household when you were around. Goodbye to the way you constantly put your head in your hands, or rubbed your eyes, or sighed that exasperated sigh... as we all made you so miserable. Goodbye to the misery you wore on your sleeve, and the feeling that I was somehow the source of that misery.
2. The stressful dinners, almost every night, that ended in an argument and indigestion.
3. The way you treated our son, which was argumentative, belittling and often humiliating. I don't understand if or why you felt threatened by his intellect and his opinions but I didn't like the way you often treated him. Yeah, he was a difficult kid, but he worshipped you and respected you and he deserved better than that. It was painful to watch and I thank my lucky stars I don't have to see it anymore, and that more importantly, it happens less frequently because you don't have as many opportunities.
4. The way you sometimes manhandled him, even if he provoked it. I remember all the times you kicked him out of the car and made him walk home, the time you grabbed him and completely ripped off his sleeve, the bloody nose you gave him... even if he was almost as big as you and even if he started it, you should have been above it and you were not.
5. I'm glad to say goodbye to your lack of interest in sex, and the way it made me feel. I remember the time I posed for you in my new teddy and you looked at me with some combination of amusement and detachment. I felt like a fool.
6. I'm glad to say goodbye to your intensifying interest in your band, the way it took you away from me and the family, the kind of nightlife you experienced as a musician, the flirtations with your singer, the affectionate emails between the two of you and the endless suspicion and jealousy it caused me.
7. I'm glad to say goodbye to feeling unimportant in your life, feeling like a low priority who wasn't valuable enough to invite on business trips when your other colleagues seemed excited about taking their wives along.
8. I'm glad to say goodbye to all your neuroses, and the way they infected the rest of us. Your fear of traveling in bad weather, and how it stopped us from taking road trips. Your fear of flying, which our son now shares.
9. I am THRILLED to say goodbye to all the crappy TV shows that permeated our airspace, especially the shows that made me wonder whether you had a thing for younger women, or other women... the obsession with Buffy the Vampire Slayer and before that, Xena the Warrior. Goodbye to feeling that any crap on TV was more appealing to you than talking to me..the incredibly stupid B-grade westerns and any show that featured nubile young women, like Charmed. Goodbye to feeling like I had to compete with Alyssa Milano for your attention.
10. I am glad to say goodbye to the way you seemed to put TV above me, how you watched it every single night instead of making any kind of intimate connection with me, the way you raised the volume when I tried to talk to you sometimes, even when the time I came downstairs and told you I thought I might be experiencing perimenopause... I remember how you looked at me blankly and reached for that damn remote control. And I remember how much I really hated you then. I am glad to say goodbye to those feelings.
11. I am glad to say goodbye to all the subtle ways you humiliated and embarrassed me: how you interrupted my business meetings and business phone calls to make juvenile demands, your way of saying that my work didn't count as much as your need for attention, your need to demonstrated your dominance, just like a dog peeing to mark his territory.
12. I'm glad to say goodbye to the way you managed to spoil so many family celebrations. The way you stopped talking to me when we vacationed in Wisconsin, and then after I begged you to tell me what was bothering you, you finally told me that you thought I was too busy with work. And then when I gave up my work to help improve our marriage, nothing really changed. You continued to be withholding and uninterested in sex. So yes, I'm very glad to say goodbye to all that.
13. And goodbye to way you made other people--my friends!--feel sometimes. How almost everyone said they were intimidated by the way you spoke on the phone and some (strong, smart women) were even hesitant to call the house for fear that you'd pick up.
14. And goodbye to the way you responded to some really nice people, and how that made me feel self conscious and uncomfortable. Like the time Laura stopped by our table at the cafe and talked (maybe a little too long for your taste). So that when she finally left, you were mad at her and even mad at me simply because she stopped by for some friendly chat. You were often unfriendly to people who mattered to me, and I thought that was, ultimately, a sign of disrespect to me. So yes, a hearty goodbye to feeling self conscious and afraid that someone might have the nerve to talk to us when we're "out on the town." Or in a supermarket. Or anywhere else.
15. Goodbye to the way you deliberately DIDN'T do what I asked you to simply because I asked you, and presumed you'd actually respond. Like the time I asked you to bring in perishable groceries from the car but you were busy watching TV and never brought them in, and in fact perceived my request as a kind of nagging. I couldn't understand why you'd think that. I wasn't a nag. And I usually tried to do things on my own. But that day I asked for help and you seemed to take pleasure in making me (and the perishables) wait. Goodbye to that!
16. Goodbye to the way you behaved those times you came home to a messy kitchen, the way you wouldn't smile or make eye contact, how you withdrew from me... all because of a few drinking glasses on the kitchen counter. I have seen your new apartment and every time I've been there I've been struck by the enormous mess... so it wasn't me or my mess after all.
17. Goodbye to the knot in my stomach I'd get every time I heard the garage door open, and how I felt compelled to frantically clear the counter and kitchen table, even if I'd only just gotten home myself. Of course I take responsibility for my response: no one can force another person to behave that way... it was my choice, but I felt at the time that I had no other choice. I didn't want you to be mad.
18. Goodbye to all the time you spent on email, the way you quickly closed the email window when I walked into the room, the email flirtations you had with various women, the back-and-forth emails that were practically real-time conversations when you could have been talking to me.
19. Goodbye to your reaction almost every time I cooked a meal, the way you'd ask, what's in this? Or say, this chicken is overcooked with that pained, disappointed look on your face. I'm no Betty Crocker but I'm not a bad cook. And goodbye to your criticizing how I loaded the dishwasher. I remember how you called me downstairs, as if I was a child, and said, "Watch closely. THIS is how one loads a dishwasher." Goodbye to your criticism, your arrogance and your condescension.
20. Goodbye to your stale, pungent body odor and bad breath, which you inherited from your father and probably will never get rid of. (This feels mean to say, but since you will never get this letter, I might as well mention it.) Which reminds me, goodbye to your parents, who never really liked me much... to be more specific would require an entirely new list so I'll just leave it at that.
I know it will take months, maybe years, before I completely feel the gratitute and relief I've expressed in this note. But I'm hoping that this letter with its 20 different goodbyes will help me along my journey. Goodbye.
The Dave© - 29 Dec 2004 20:23 GMT > Willow wrote: > Dear STBX, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > <snipped for brevity> I almost hate to ask, and I don't want to sound like I'm discounting your feelings, but was there anything that was good?
 Signature The only difference between a rut and a grave is their dimensions. ~ Ellen Glasgow
Willow - 29 Dec 2004 20:36 GMT I think I mentioned some of that: we had some good dreams together, and I had a sense of stability and rootedness. There was a lot of good of the years, but so little of it actually endured.Here's what was good: 1. the familiarity and comfort that builds after all those years together 2. bringing our children into the world, 3. celebrating each others' professional accomplishments (which came with a price, though) 4. knowing I had an ally and advocate as I struggled with my crazy family. I played the same role in his life as he struggled with his own family. 5. the security and safety that came with being married to a man who got things done, who didn't take crap from anyone. 6. finally (although this is by no means a comprehensive list) it was good to be with an intellectual, though that certainly has its downside too. I doubt I'll find anyone else with that kind of mind.
Bill in Co. - 29 Dec 2004 20:53 GMT > I think I mentioned some of that: we had some good dreams together, and > I had a sense of stability and rootedness. There was a lot of good of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > good to be with an intellectual, though that certainly has its downside > too. I doubt I'll find anyone else with that kind of mind. Yeah, I know there must have been some good stuff, otherwise it wouldn't have lasted so long, right? Like you, we had a really long relationship (about the same length).
Where are you now in this process, Willow? How would you assess that? And how do you see getting thru this process? Have you seen any Light (at the end of the tunnel) yet? (I haven't seen much light, that's for sure)
Willow - 29 Dec 2004 21:02 GMT Honestly, I'm not sure exactly where I am in the process. I think that after 10 months of separation, I'm turning some kind of corner. I cooked a real meal for the first time a few weeks ago, and rearranged my kitchen the way I like it, not the way he insisted on having it. I see this as progress.
On the other hand, I was devastated a few days ago when I stopped by his apartment and found pictures of his new, very thin, very young girlfriend literally all over the place.
On the OTHER, other hand, I think I'm about done with the fantasies that we might get back together (even though I'm the one who pulled the plug). Up until very recently, I always assumed that he wanted to be with me again. For instance, if he happened to sigh a certain way, or say he was doing "just OK" when I'd ask "how are you?"... I immediately thought the subtext was, I miss you. I love you. I want us to be together. So I guess it's progress that this week I finally stopped assuming that, or fantasizing about it.
This list is progress. So are my plans to repaint the bedroom and purge the house. And now I'm ordering books on amazon that I plan to read, books about letting go and rebuilding one's life. I guess that's progress too.
But 10 months ago, and all this time until recently, I've been in denial, I've felt real grief, I've been nostalgic, I've been angry and jealous... all normal but also indicators that I was far from healed (just in the process of healing, not a bad thing in and of itself). I'm still far from healed, but I'm a little closer than I was last month or even last week.
I did break all the rules by getting involved with someone right out of the gate, and we are still involved. A part of me doesn't really know how to be anything but COUPLED.
But I feel myself pulling back, being less dependent and attached, and really just focusing on myself. Learning about myself. All that cliche stuff. Tomorrow I take my kids on a cruise, something my STBX never wanted to do. I'm really looking forward to it. Anyway, thanks for your comments. Happy New Year.
Bill in Co. - 29 Dec 2004 21:12 GMT > Honestly, I'm not sure exactly where I am in the process. I think that > after 10 months of separation, I'm turning some kind of corner. I [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > wanted to do. I'm really looking forward to it. Anyway, thanks for your > comments. Happy New Year. Sure, anytime. And - Happy New Year to you too! Sounds like next year will most likely be better (it's gotta get better, right?).
Anyways, enjoy the cruise, Willow (I'm betting the kids will too)! Bill
I.A. Manny - 31 Dec 2004 15:58 GMT I found out along time ago when you "low crawl" and nose around it almost never hurts anyone but yourself. Anyway, he most likley had to pay for her "time" and the pictures were left there for you to see. Why would a young woman be interested in an old man anyway? "OLD" meaning over 10 years older. Does he have money? Men will never realize, never, how old and disgusting they are to young women. Why don't you men get real, and face it? Date someone closer to your age! You say, "but I'm not attracted to women my age" Well, what does a much OLDER woman look like to you? See what I mean gentlemen? See what "old and disgusting" looks like to a young woman?
John Riggs - 31 Dec 2004 22:58 GMT Obviously a troll.....
Don't everyone rush to post an answer now. we don't want to overload it's brain
Jonesy2222 - 31 Dec 2004 23:04 GMT >From: catchyphrase@webtv.net (I.A. Manny)
>Why would a young woman be interested in an >old man anyway? "OLD" meaning over 10 years older. Does he have money? Men will never realize, never, how old and disgusting they are to young women.
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Wow...
Well before I was married, I dated someone that was older than I was (17 years older).
Right now, I live around younger men (not interested), been asked out by men my own age (not interested).
I actually 'prefer' an older man, and it has nothing to do with his looks or wallet but more because of the level of maturity, and my preferences.
Plus I make a very good wage, and not need anyone to pay my or my childrens way.
Old and disgusting - if a woman is shallow, she will feel most men are beneath her - same as if a man is shallow. Got to look beyond - for something that is more worth while.. (personality, intelligence, etc).
Deb.
The Dave© - 29 Dec 2004 21:21 GMT > Willow wrote: > I think I mentioned some of that: we had some good dreams together, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > good to be with an intellectual, though that certainly has its > downside too. I doubt I'll find anyone else with that kind of mind. Sorry for asking, but I sometimes wonder when there's an all-bad or all-good rant like that. But, to be fair, I do understand it's therapeutic and have been known to do it myself on occasion. There's something in me that says keeping a decent perspective is healthy (at least in the long run), so I try to not forget the good things, too.
 Signature The only difference between a rut and a grave is their dimensions. ~ Ellen Glasgow
YooperBoyka - 30 Dec 2004 15:58 GMT >I think I mentioned some of that: we had some good dreams together, and > I had a sense of stability and rootedness. There was a lot of good of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > good to be with an intellectual, though that certainly has its downside > too. I doubt I'll find anyone else with that kind of mind. I see a lot that indicates that you found "marriage" good, but little that says you found marriage to *him* good.
Ren - 30 Dec 2004 16:50 GMT >>I think I mentioned some of that: we had some good dreams together, and >> I had a sense of stability and rootedness. There was a lot of good of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I see a lot that indicates that you found "marriage" good, > but little that says you found marriage to *him* good. That's a good thing. Means that someday she can have a good relationship with someone *not like him*.
YooperBoyka - 30 Dec 2004 18:36 GMT >>>I think I mentioned some of that: we had some good dreams together, and >>> I had a sense of stability and rootedness. There was a lot of good of [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > That's a good thing. Means that someday she can have a good relationship > with someone *not like him*. <nods head> I can buy that I guess. ...but how can someone be married that long and not have any good memories of "the person"? I mean, it begs the question, "Why were they married in the first place?" Convienience?
LoriMc - 29 Dec 2004 20:26 GMT > Dear STBX, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > family. I say goodbye to the stability and respectability and the > sense of rootedness I had because I was your wife. Writing this must have been very painful for you, but also therapeutic. I can relate to so much of what you wrote, other parts made me want to cry for what you have gone through.
Take care, you will heal in time and life can and will become good for you again.
Lori Mc
> On the other hand, I am very glad and relieved to say goodbye to: > [quoted text clipped - 144 lines] > this letter with its 20 different goodbyes will help me along my > journey. Goodbye. Bill in Co. - 29 Dec 2004 20:28 GMT > Dear STBX, > [quoted text clipped - 153 lines] > this letter with its 20 different goodbyes will help me along my > journey. Goodbye. (((Willow)))
What a heartfelt, soulful note, Willow. Geeez, it was depressing reading thru this, and trying to put myself in your shoes. How humiliated you must have felt.
Hopefully it is cathartic for you. Still, looking back, it's sad thinking about what could have been, and is lost forever, isn't it. But.... maybe it was only a dream, and it never really was there. I dunno....
(((Willow)))
DaKitty - 30 Dec 2004 01:32 GMT ouch ouch ouch! I'm sorry things have been like that for you... Now you have a chance for a new beginning :)
> Dear STBX, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > On the other hand, I am very glad and relieved to say goodbye to:
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