I've always been pro-marriage. I've always been against divorce, to the
point I've been willing to suffer many years of pain and grief over our
non-existent relationship, constantly praying for her, praying for a
solution to her aloofness and coldness, her dishonesty and cowardice.
Tonight she told me she is "done" trying to work on our relationship.
(As if she had ever actually tried!!!) She told me a "story" of sorts
about all the things she supposedly has done in an attempt to make our
relationship work -- all of which was a blatant lie -- I reminded her of
all the emails, notes, and phone messages I have sent to her, all of
which she IGNORED. I accused her of living in a fantasy world, of
blantanly lying. I really coundn't think of anything else to say! She
informed me she is "done" with our relationship.
I've been mourning over this loss for about the past three years or
more, so even though I cry tonight, it is not really any kind of
surprise to me.
She has never been the kind of person who could be honest with me or
with herself; she has never been able to admit when she's made a
mistake, no mater how trivial, and she's never been able to apologize.
I've played that "role," unfortunately, to the point that she has simply
used my openness and admissions of my own faults in my recovery process
as a weapon against me, in the form of making me into the "bad guy" she
has always needed for balance in her brutal world, mostly to allow her
the luxury of not having to admit her own substantial faults.
This is a MAJOR kind of sickness. And I must admit I'm very "sick" of
that sickness.
I've prayed for her everyday, hoping against hopelessness that she would
somehow become an "honest" person who could see her world as it truly
is. Our counselor says that anyone who feels like appologizing for
breathing your air, as in being worth less than the dust of the ground
-- can only get what she needs in underhanded ways, since she doesn't
deserve them (in her own mind) in the first place. Hence her
manipulative ways. It's a sick kind of arrogant "pride."
The truth is: I married badly.
But we were both so dysfunctional, that the broken pieces fit together
so well -- for a time. But after 20 years or so, I had grown out of that
kind of dysfunctional set of patterns we called a relationship. But she
has not!! So now the "broken" pieces just don't fit together at ALL
anymore, and the relationship's only hope is for her to work on herself
with the same courage I have done over the past several years. But she
is not ready or willing to do anything that radical (heaven forbid that
she would have to admit she wasn't PERFECT!).
Damn. As Job said over 6,000 years ago, "What I have feard most has come
uopn me."
Everyone I've know who has suffered through a divorce has appeared to me
as a real person getting ripped in half, with no anesthetic. I don't
relish the thought.
But in my inmost parts, I do feel a spark of life inside me when I think
of being truly and finally separate from her!!!!!!! -- It's just the
meantime that will be like getting drawn and quartered in the square,
left alone to bleed to death with no help or caring from anyone that can
actually mitigate the pain of it.
Damn. This sucks big time. But here we go, apparently. :-( Here's
looking past the forthcoming pain, and toward healing, and feeling the
resulting freedom from having been caged so long and so closely with
such sickness!
Here's to FREEDOM, even though between here and there is terrible PAIN,
it will ultimately be WORTH IT. Or so my weeping soul so strongly hopes
tonight.
Joe
S.Taylor - 30 Jul 2005 08:47 GMT
Eventually you will be honest enough with yourself to admit that women
are biologically incapable of loving a man. It is not in a woman's
genetic interest to love anyone than herself and a child (which she sees
as an extension of herself). A woman who loves a man would:
- go to war to defend him
- confront burglars to protect him
- take risky construction jobs to earn more money
all of which increase her risk of death or inability to bear a child.
Once you accept that women are incapable of loving a man, everything
they do become very clear.
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>I've always been pro-marriage. I've always been against divorce, to the
>point I've been willing to suffer many years of pain and grief over our
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>
>Joe
Barbara Didrichsen - 30 Jul 2005 11:33 GMT
[snip]
>Everyone I've know who has suffered through a divorce has appeared to me
>as a real person getting ripped in half, with no anesthetic. I don't
>relish the thought.
You got that part right.
This can be a good group to help you get through it, though. Just
ignore the kooks.
We have a website with a lot of good resources -- books other members
have found helpful, etc. -- at http://www.altsupportdivorce.org/
As someone from the other side of the divorce abyss, I can tell you
that eventually, you get through the pain. And for those of us who
had long-term unhappy marriages, it was worth every bit of it to reach
this better place.
Barb
Jobtodo1st - 30 Jul 2005 12:33 GMT
"I accused her..."
That was the beginning of the end.
rj - 30 Jul 2005 13:14 GMT
>I've always been pro-marriage. I've always been against divorce, to the
>point I've been willing to suffer many years of pain and grief over our
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>
>Joe
Joe,
Sorry to hear that you're going through this. Though I know it may be
cold comfort at this point, it *does* get better. Stick around and
ignore the trolls...
rj
Rog' - 30 Jul 2005 14:50 GMT
Its important that you grieve for what's been lost and to accept that
there will be pain, buckets of pain. For any conscious person, there
is no way around it. Its what makes us human. But remember that,
as an individual, you are more than this marriage. It was only an
aspect of your life and you still have a life of your own. Try to be
patient with yourself and allow time to heal your wounds. =R=
> I've always been pro-marriage. I've always been against divorce, to the
> point I've been willing to suffer many years of pain and grief over our
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>
> Joe
Sushi Fish - 30 Jul 2005 18:39 GMT
> I've always been pro-marriage. I've always been against divorce, to the
> point I've been willing to suffer many years of pain and grief over our
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>
> Joe
you have life in you, it will come out with your permission. Name of
the game is, you don't allow yourself be destroyed, keep your emotion
and health in check. At your age, odd is stacked against you, it
matters only if you believe it. You might have to start again from
scratch, just do it right this time.
Xenos the Elder - 30 Jul 2005 22:01 GMT
> The truth is: I married badly.
Well if I should put in to one sentence I would say the same about my
failed marriage.
The red flags were there from the early beginning.
They didn't went away.
They got better hidden only.
" Better alone then in bad company ".
> Joe
mirrorman - 31 Jul 2005 00:42 GMT
Hi Joe B,
Very sorry to hear your story. Please be assured that you are not alone
and there is hope as you move forward with your life. What you're
describing sounds like classic Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD).
Check out this link...I think it will be a real eye-opener:
http://www.bpdcentral.com/resources/basics/indicators.shtml
I recommend that you read up on BPD...it really helps to understand why
your relationship ended up going down this path, which really reduces
all of the "should have's" and "could have's" that many of us beat
ourselves up with.
Best of luck in the future, and God bless you!
MirrorMan
Bill in Co. - 31 Jul 2005 01:32 GMT
Joe, also talk to your doc about possibly getting on some anti-depressant
meds, which can significantly help take the edge off of this, because it IS
a rough ride, especially after 27 years (same as me)!
Also check out some of the resources ( books, and whatnot), at our ASD web
site here, which is: http://www.altsupportdivorce.org/ And keep posting
and sharing your feelings here, as you feel you can.
> Hi Joe B,
>
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>
> MirrorMan
Sushi Fish - 31 Jul 2005 06:53 GMT
> Joe, also talk to your doc about possibly getting on some anti-depressant
> meds, which can significantly help take the edge off of this, because it IS
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> site here, which is: http://www.altsupportdivorce.org/ And keep posting
> and sharing your feelings here, as you feel you can.
Joe's immuned to hardship in the last 3 yrs
anti-depressant is the last he ever needs
its purpose is to numb his mind
walk few miles does him good
exercise releases dopamine in his brain
Bill in Co. - 31 Jul 2005 07:01 GMT
>> Joe, also talk to your doc about possibly getting on some anti-depressant
>> meds, which can significantly help take the edge off of this, because it IS
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> anti-depressant is the last he ever needs
> its purpose is to numb his mind
No, its purpose is NOT to "numb your mind". Its purpose is to HELP take
the edge off. Apparently you don't know much about antidepressants!
> walk few miles does him good
> exercise releases dopamine in his brain
Casey - 31 Jul 2005 17:38 GMT
Sushi Fish said
> > Joe, also talk to your doc about possibly getting on some anti-depressant
> > meds, which can significantly help take the edge off of this, because it IS
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> anti-depressant is the last he ever needs
> its purpose is to numb his mind
Nothing like hearing from a physician about the latest pharmaceutical
developments.
You do have a medical degree ... right?
Casey
Rodney M. - 31 Jul 2005 01:15 GMT
> I've always been pro-marriage. I've always been against divorce, to the
> point I've been willing to suffer many years of pain and grief over our
> non-existent relationship, constantly praying for her, praying for a
> solution to her aloofness and coldness, her dishonesty and cowardice.
>
> <snip>
> Here's to FREEDOM, even though between here and there is terrible PAIN,
> it will ultimately be WORTH IT. Or so my weeping soul so strongly hopes
> tonight.
>
> Joe
Dude, you're me only a few *weeks* ago, believe it or not. Clinging,
praying, hoping, bending...
Now she's gone and life is not only better, it's real LIFE again, not
just a trapped existence.
You're right, you're in the dentist chair and the tooth pull will be
uncomfortable. But give it awhile and you are going to be SO happy the
abcessed tooth is gone, believe me.
Jimmy Camp - 31 Jul 2005 01:19 GMT
Your story fits my story i feel exactly the same as you do. People say
things happen for a reason. I wouldn't say you married bad or made a bad
choice it was just a choice. What help me is to keep my faith in jesus
and not give up on life. One thing i learned is that God created
marriage to reflect who God is its called Christ love for the church. I
figured if a loving God is willing to to put up with all the flawed
humanity and save those who believe then this is how we should reflect
our love to our wives. My ex is prb. just as screwed up as yours but im
willing to wait and reconcile rather to give up. To many give up so easy
on their marriage on simple grounds of not getting along then latter on
they divorce and remarry just to end up in the same senirio. I don't
think God created love in a way that if someone's marriage fails go try
another. Its best to stay in a bad marriage and put forth all the effort
of love "christ love for the church" then it is to divorce and remarry.
Im not saying remarring is bad but a second divorce would be
devastating. So believe me your not alone on this matter please, please
work it out. I very dought some on here that divorce on not getting
along grounds are much happier now. They say they are but deep down
inside their spiritly hurting. Divorce effects all the same way and very
few to none will be happier in the long run after divorcing. Women are
very naieve and they have their heart set to be happier to get out of a
marriage and find someone more suitable only in the long run to be more
miserable.
Casey - 31 Jul 2005 17:34 GMT
Jimmy Camp said
> One thing i learned is that God created
> marriage to reflect who God is its called Christ love for the church. I
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> marriage and find someone more suitable only in the long run to be more
> miserable.
So did God tell you that stuff about women?
Casey
Inco.Warren - 31 Jul 2005 01:21 GMT
>I've always been pro-marriage. I've always been against divorce, to the
>point I've been willing to suffer many years of pain and grief over our
>non-existent relationship, constantly praying for her, praying for a
>solution to her aloofness and coldness, her dishonesty and cowardice.
Aloofness and coldness... I know lots about that and I know how lonely
you feel eventhough you have her by your side. I wonder if these cold
people are warm with someone else who they (will) love.
Just curious, was she cold when you met her? did she change in others
aspects too?
I don't think time is wasted. We have learned how to appreciate
someone who does have those traits we like and somehow those
experiences we have been through are part of us. We must live day by
day.
The best
IW