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Family Forum / Marriage / Divorce / August 2005The Violator Demands Victim Status
The Abuse of Women and Children by Divorce Lawyers and Judges. "......Each year more than one million marriages in the United States are dissolved in divorce court. Before these legal proceedings start, the husband and wife share one standard of living in their single household. Something strange happens, however, by the time the divorce decree is issued: the division of the household income between the two parties no longer remains equitable and the new arrangement is lopsided, almost always against women......." http://www.divorcecentral.com/DCLive/expert/winner_excerpt.html I appreciate what the author is saying about the legal system. I take exception to his position about women however. Here in Canada we have the same bleading heart liberal crap. Support need only be based on "her need". The courts do NOT have to consider a man's ability to pay - AT ALL. Divorce courts have become kangaroo courts. Oddly, I have seen both men and women get screwed by the Divorce Courts. So I cannot generalize. I will say, however, that here in Canada, men definitely get screwed way more than women (on average). The author's contention that a woman's standard of living goes down after divorce, well I guess so! If the woman is not as qualified in the work force as her ex, the of course she will make less. I suppose the author never looked at the possibility that ex-hubby is a CEO, and the woman might be asking "do you want fries with that?". SO, of course, even after divorce a man should support the woman??? Indefinitely perhaps???? NOT! I am a man. NO ONE cut me a break in the divorce. My options were work my a.s off, of wind up in jail or on the street. There were NO men's advocate services, NO legal aid for men, No men's shelters, no support services. What I got was financially raped. When the smoke cleared, I had to pay the ex 2 years of support, and I lost litterally evey penny I had, all the while the ex got to drive a spanking new car that I was essentially paying for. What I have I had to work for. Period. I expect nothing less from women. The fact that I had to pay about $20,000 in support to my money grubbing ex makes me sick. I can only take comfort in the fact that the courts finally ended it, so now I can get on with my life. You want a good lifestyle post divorce people??? How about you do it the old fashined way - YOU EARN IT! /rant off >The Abuse of Women and Children by Divorce Lawyers and Judges. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >http://www.divorcecentral.com/DCLive/expert/winner_excerpt.html >... > I am a man. NO ONE cut me a break in the divorce. My options were work [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > /rant off There are billions of people on the globe who despite their every effort will never escape poverty. Let's consider you fortunate but don't assume that others will be just by trying extra hard. Things, despite what we are told, don't work that way. >>... >>I am a man. NO ONE cut me a break in the divorce. My options were work [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > that others will be just by trying extra hard. Things, despite what we are > told, don't work that way. $20K over two years is, what, $800 a month? Thank god you don't have lawyers involved. Rambler Rambler said > >>... > >>I am a man. NO ONE cut me a break in the divorce. My options were work [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > $20K over two years is, what, $800 a month? Thank god you don't have > lawyers involved. I'm not making light of Newman's experience, but $800 a month would be a blessing to me. Oh well - 43 months down, 11 more months to go. Casey > Rambler said > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I'm not making light of Newman's experience, but $800 a month would be > a blessing to me. Oh well - 43 months down, 11 more months to go. Ka-ching ... my point. Rambler (who now has his next court date set for early December) Rambly wrote: > Ka-ching ... my point. > > Rambler > (who now has his next court date set for early December) Make sure to wear a nice shirt and tie when going to court. And comb your hair cause it helps. The judge may try to piss you off but bite the bullet when it comes to emotions. > Rambly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > hair cause it helps. The judge may try to piss you off but bite the bullet > when it comes to emotions. Thanks ... I've been in court for almost four years now ... think I've got the hang of it. Rambler Ummmm..... The legal bill was $30,000 ++++++ That was what I meant about losing every penny. I had to pay the ex from the cash-flow generated by my gainful employment. Never mind living hand-to-mouth. Try having in the back of your mind that unemployment might mean jail for non-payment of support! Talk about pressure. :( >>>... >>>I am a man. NO ONE cut me a break in the divorce. My options were work [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Rambler This is the truth! I just finished a very nasty divorce in January. My ex, 11 years younger ended up with about 50-60K in the savings, full military income, kept all the support money that was supposed to go to me. I ended up with a 5K settlement, all the bills run up moving back to Alaska, and nowhere to live. At least the judge knew he was lying, but unless I chose to make the divorce go to trial, I couldn't prove anything. I wish now I had taken my lawyers offer of free trial support, as he knew along with the judge that my ex was lying about everything. I would have ended up better financially. But he was so abusive I was afraid he may hurt me if I pursued it. So, I took the 5K and ran. Misty > The Abuse of Women and Children by Divorce Lawyers and Judges. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > http://www.divorcecentral.com/DCLive/expert/winner_excerpt.html I have no doubt it is true in some number of cases in which case shows that the system is not working for half the people going through it (court). One side looses every time. Many would argue it is in fact fathers who are suffering in greater numbers but no study or report indicates this abuse is taking place. Having said that I'm not without sympathy in your case. Like I said, I'm sure it happens but to the degree portrayed by feminism, I think not. Besides, what more could you possibly have on your side in order to come out better? > This is the truth! I just finished a very nasty divorce in January. My ex, > 11 years younger ended up with about 50-60K in the savings, full military [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > > > http://www.divorcecentral.com/DCLive/expert/winner_excerpt.html I have truthfully seen both sides of the coin. I know one guy who has 5 kids by 3 different gals. He pays child support on all of them. However, he has to live with his parents as all his money goes for child support. But, I think that was something he should have considered when he had all those kids. I just seem to be one of those people that guys have figured out they can take advantage of. My last ex (9 years married) had bad credit. I worked on his credit all those years, got it to where he had a good rating again, he got a credit card, and immediately made late payments. When we separated, I was 36K in debt, with hardly any income, where as he had retirement and income. He didn't have to support me either in this state. Not till we got divorced. I ended up doing a bankruptcy, after 30+ years of good credit. I've learned my lesson. I think I've learned to stay away from the opposite sex. I have been able to get back on my feet, hoping to buy a condo in the next couple weeks, and I'll be darned if I'll let anyone get near it. I wish it could be more equal. And I feel for the guys who get taken advantage of. I'm in their shoes. >I have no doubt it is true in some number of cases in which case shows that > the system is not working for half the people going through it (court). [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> > >> > http://www.divorcecentral.com/DCLive/expert/winner_excerpt.html Sharon said > I have truthfully seen both sides of the coin. I know one guy who has 5 > kids by 3 different gals. He pays child support on all of them. However, he > has to live with his parents as all his money goes for child support. But, > I think that was something he should have considered when he had all those > kids. Yeah, he should have. At least he does the right thing. > I've learned my lesson. I think I've learned to stay away from the opposite > sex. I have been able to get back on my feet, hoping to buy a condo in the > next couple weeks, and I'll be darned if I'll let anyone get near it. I > wish it could be more equal. And I feel for the guys who get taken > advantage of. I'm in their shoes. I feel for anyone who has been taken advantage of. It is hard to stay away from the opposite sex - I've tried (unsuccessfully) from time to time. Casey > Sharon said > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> But, I think that was something he should have considered when he had >> all those kids. He didn't have those kids. You just flunked Biology 101. Note that, post-coitally, *he* had NO say as to whether or not *she* would, or would not, decide to have a child. For more on this, google up the Choice For Men ( C4M ) FAQ. > Yeah, he should have. At least he does the right thing. But, that can't be said about the three women, who demand money for what THEY chose to do... >> I've learned my lesson. I think I've learned to stay away from the >> opposite sex. I have been able to get back on my feet, hoping to buy a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I feel for anyone who has been taken advantage of. In matters of " child support " ( Which is really hidden alimony ), thats always the man. > It is hard to stay away from the opposite sex - I've tried > (unsuccessfully) from time to time. It can be done, as the Men's Marriage Strike shows. Example: In California, marriges dropped by 25% between 2002 and 2004. And, in the pop media, its women complaining about this. That proves that its not women choosing that... Andre -- " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. " The Man Prayer, Red Green. Wow, that is going to piss off a lot of divorce lawyers! I wonder.... what a twist of fate if the divorce lawyers wind up asking "Did you want fries with that??" One can only dream.... :) :) :) >> Sharon said >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >Andre >> Sharon said >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >He didn't have those kids. He had the choice NOT TO HAVE SEX He had the choice to USE A CONDOM Stop portraying men as infantile beings who can't say no. >>> Sharon said >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Stop portraying men as infantile beings who can't say no. He has no more responsibility than the other participant. "The best proof of intelligent life in space is that it hasn't come here." - Sir Arthur C. Clarke > >> Sharon said > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Stop portraying men as infantile beings who can't say no. Unfortunately, men *are* being forced with all the might of the state and in particular fathers. Our only choice is abstinence which even then will not protect us from the state. Are you attempting to portray women are those who are solely the victimes of men then??? What hapenned to women keeping their legs closed?? It takes two to tango. Yet femminists expect a man to pay for the consequences of both the man and the woman. So much for equality. >>> Sharon said >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Stop portraying men as infantile beings who can't say no. |
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