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Longshot - 30 Aug 2005 13:58 GMT
my stbx is hounding me to pay additional monies for various items...
school clothes, dental/ medical, school supplies, parking pass, yearbook
fees, sports fees, sports pass, school registration..

I pay an already inflated support payment & the health insurance. I think
some of these should be covered in my existing support payments. opinions?

thanks
Longshot
Rog' - 30 Aug 2005 14:24 GMT
> my stbx is hounding me to pay additional monies for various items...
> school clothes, dental/ medical, school supplies, parking pass,
> yearbook fees, sports fees, sports pass, school registration..
> I pay an already inflated support payment & the health insurance.
> I think some of these should be covered in my existing support
> payments. opinions?

Any medical+dental expenses not covered by insurance should be
shared by the parents, either 50-50 or by the ratio of their incomes.
The other stuff is what C/S is for, but some CP's find that their ex's
are such whack-jobs that they front this stuff for the kid anyway.
=R=
Longshot - 30 Aug 2005 14:57 GMT
> Any medical+dental expenses not covered by insurance should be
> shared by the parents, either 50-50 or by the ratio of their incomes.
> The other stuff is what C/S is for, but some CP's find that their ex's
> are such whack-jobs that they front this stuff for the kid anyway.
> =R=

the way i understood it... i pay like 35/ week for health insurance & she
was supposed to exceed that amount on a yearly basis (35x 52=1820) &
everything after that was to be split 70/30 since my income is 70% of what
the household income was.
Rog' - 30 Aug 2005 15:31 GMT
> the way i understood it... i pay like 35/ week for health insurance
> & she was supposed to exceed that amount on a yearly basis
> (35x 52=1820) & everything after that was to be split 70/30 since
> my income is 70% of what the household income was.

IOW, you pay $1820 in premiums and she's liable for the first $1820
of co-payments, deductibles and uninsured expenses?  If that's how
your state does it, sweet.  In Florida, payers are commonly expected
to provide health insurance if a group-policy is available, and 50% of
all uninsured expenses. =R=
Longshot - 30 Aug 2005 16:04 GMT
> > the way i understood it... i pay like 35/ week for health insurance
> > & she was supposed to exceed that amount on a yearly basis
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> to provide health insurance if a group-policy is available, and 50% of
> all uninsured expenses. =R=
something like that i think. actually , i think it's more like 23 week.
which is the difference between the single coverage vs family coverage. i
know my lawyer said something like 1200ish i dont remember exactly
chaz - 30 Aug 2005 14:32 GMT
> my stbx is hounding me to pay additional monies for various items...
> school clothes, dental/ medical, school supplies, parking pass, yearbook
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> thanks
> Longshot

Its called Child Support, not Wife Support. Stick to your guns and pay what
you are ordered to. Some states have an age-adjustment, however, that should
have been taken into account at the time the agreement was drawn up,
assuming you have one. Do I pay for things I dont have to? Yes, but i do
that for my kids, not at the beckoning of the ex. If this is new and it
sounds like it is, the first year or three are a power struggle. It will
improve.

chaz
My Own Doppelganger - 31 Aug 2005 03:34 GMT
No, it depends on the individual situation.  If the NCP makes 200K a
year, they better damn well pay for the school supplies, medical
bills, summer camp...etc.

If on the other han, the NCP makes 30K a year and the CP makes 50K a
year, then I call it a draw.

>> my stbx is hounding me to pay additional monies for various items...
>> school clothes, dental/ medical, school supplies, parking pass, yearbook
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>chaz

--------
You can't change the past, but you can change the future.
barry@psyber.com - 31 Aug 2005 16:20 GMT
: No, it depends on the individual situation.  If the NCP makes 200K a
: year, they better damn well pay for the school supplies, medical
: bills, summer camp...etc.

: If on the other han, the NCP makes 30K a year and the CP makes 50K a
: year, then I call it a draw.

If the NCP is makint 200K/year, Child Support would be over $2,000/month
in my state.  One would hope that mom could have enough integrity to set
aside part of that lump of money for school supplies.

b.
BP - 30 Aug 2005 16:22 GMT
>my stbx is hounding me to pay additional monies for various items...
>school clothes, dental/ medical, school supplies, parking pass, yearbook
>fees, sports fees, sports pass, school registration..
>
>I pay an already inflated support payment & the health insurance. I think
>some of these should be covered in my existing support payments. opinions?

*ALL* of that stuff should be covered in your support payments, except
maybe the dental/medical if that was made a separate item in your
decree. You don't have any obligation to your ex to go above and
beyond the support payments for stuff like this.

That being said, you still may want to look at some of these items and
decide for yourself if these are things that you want to pay for your
kids, not because you are obligated to pay them as support, but
because they might be good things for your kids and you might want the
kids to have them. But think of doing it for your kids, not for your
ex.

BP
stilllearning - 30 Aug 2005 19:02 GMT
Of course, once you pay extra for the "good of the kids"; the exes will
up the ante since they now know that if they don't provide for the
kids, you will. I am already in such a situation.
ml - 30 Aug 2005 18:18 GMT
>my stbx is hounding me to pay additional monies for various items...
>school clothes, dental/ medical, school supplies, parking pass, yearbook
>fees, sports fees, sports pass, school registration..
>
>I pay an already inflated support payment & the health insurance. I think
>some of these should be covered in my existing support payments. opinions?

Yeah, they should be covered.  It should have been worked out that way.
If your ex doesn't know how to manage money, that shouldn't be at your expense
(anymore).  
Unfortunately, that's too many should's.  Make sure the kids are getting what
they need.  I'd like to say that if she's unable to manage a reasonable budget
she shouldn't be trying to raise the kids, but i know that's unrealistic to
say.
Henry - 31 Aug 2005 22:15 GMT
> my stbx is hounding me to pay additional monies for various items...
> school clothes, dental/ medical, school supplies, parking pass,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> thanks
> Longshot

Before I answer your question...

You are now experiencing the great privilege of being a regular part of
your child's life... the divorce punishment through extra day-to-day
expenses. You see... if you lived on the moon and sent regular support
payments (whether court ordered, agreed to or whatever), you would
probably never see that extra day-to-day expense and be richer for it.
But, the more involved you are, the more you get burned. Nice system,
eh.

Now, before everyone starts into how nice it is that he is part of the
child's life, etc... blah blah blah... get over it. S/He's being
screwed.

Child support is a crock. If the ex wants me for spousal support,
lifestyle support, household support, i-want-to-screw-my-ex-over
support. Fine. Let me fight that battle. But child support... no way.
Split all costs by percentage of income.

Okay... so to answer your question. No. Don't pay. Fight and fight hard.
S/He gets support. That's what is it for... for cryin' out loud.

Just to let you know... I live in Canada. Which has a marvelous
percentage of MY income system (the ex's wealth not a factor). I have
the child (as determined by my peers) to be 39.36%. So I get no break in
support. But I get the lion's share of daycare and pre-school costs,
almost all day-to-day costs, lessons, clothes, books, toys, DVD's,
etc... because I have NO say where that support goes and NO way to make
the ex give me anything that is our child's. So everything is bought by
me, or at least bought twice (by me). Friends don't beleive how bad the
systems is. Family don't believe the system lack of accountability. I
mean, the system has the word "child" in Child Support. It MUST be for
the child... right? How can you not support your CHILD! ..right??

um.. right...

Yeah... the moon is looking pretty good.

H.

P.S. I just recently posted this to the alt.child-support as someone
there had the same question.
 
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