Study confirms women are whores at work
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Ray Gordon - 14 Feb 2006 10:24 GMT New study out:
50 percent of women have dated co-workers 21 percent of women have dated their boss 13 percent said dating boss helped career
No wonder women get so angry when men accuse them of using sexuality to get ahead at work. The truth -- especially that one -- hurts.
These women want to be thought of as nice, moral creatures, but keep in mind that they are stealing opportunity and survival resources from less-attractive women, though none of the male feminists I meet seem to realize that less-attractive women also count as women.
scruby - 14 Feb 2006 11:34 GMT > New study out: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > less-attractive women, though none of the male feminists I meet seem to > realize that less-attractive women also count as women. Yeah seduction guru, that's the way to pick up beautiful women. Tell them they're all "office whores." The foxes eat that up like its caramel macchiato with whipped cream.
Happy Valentines..
connor_a@hotmail.com - 14 Feb 2006 11:39 GMT > Yeah seduction guru, that's the way to pick up beautiful women. Tell > them they're all "office whores." The foxes eat that up like its > caramel macchiato with whipped cream. Personally, I enojy licking out, like most men, womens "dirty bits". I tell them this and they always seem aroused.
Could it be I'm onto something here? ;-)
justwaxing@yahoo.com.au - 14 Feb 2006 20:40 GMT "Dirty Bits" ? How old are you?
connor_a@hotmail.com - 14 Feb 2006 23:27 GMT > "Dirty Bits" ? How old are you? Yes, "dirty bits", as a right wing concerned christian of the Promise Keeper movement, what do you want me to say... "hey kids, come checkout your moms c.nt, a.s hole and cock suckin' lips?..."
Shame on you.
Paul Robinson - 20 Feb 2006 07:01 GMT > "Dirty Bits" ? How old are you? I always thought the "dirty bit" was the indicator that a memory page was changed and if the job is swapped out of the computer, that page needs to be saved (as opposed to a code page that you can simply reload from the application binary.)
jaynie - 15 Feb 2006 22:23 GMT > > Yeah seduction guru, that's the way to pick up beautiful women. Tell > > them they're all "office whores." The foxes eat that up like its [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Could it be I'm onto something here? ;-) Ray Gordon - 14 Feb 2006 11:55 GMT >> New study out: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > them they're all "office whores." The foxes eat that up like its > caramel macchiato with whipped cream. So "calling her on her bullshit" doesn't apply to stuff like this. This bullshit is stuff you shouldn't call on her.
So much for being alpha and being unafraid of being honest with women.
scruby - 14 Feb 2006 12:38 GMT > So "calling her on her bullshit" doesn't apply to stuff like this. This > bullshit is stuff you shouldn't call on her. > > So much for being alpha and being unafraid of being honest with women. Since when has "being honest with women" been a cardinal virtue of alt.seduction.fast?
johnebravo836 - 14 Feb 2006 14:25 GMT >>So "calling her on her bullshit" doesn't apply to stuff like this. This >>bullshit is stuff you shouldn't call on her. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Since when has "being honest with women" been a cardinal virtue of > alt.seduction.fast? Since when has "being honest with anybody about anything" been a cardinal virtue of sociopathic, bipolar newsloons?
Steve Chaney, still taunting the happy fun ball - 14 Feb 2006 15:25 GMT >> So "calling her on her bullshit" doesn't apply to stuff like this. This >> bullshit is stuff you shouldn't call on her. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Since when has "being honest with women" been a cardinal virtue of >alt.seduction.fast? Hole in one.
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Krus T. Olfard - 14 Feb 2006 16:31 GMT "scruby" <bryan@wasdrunk.com> wrote in news:1139920719.383868.161560 @g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> Since when has "being honest with women" been a cardinal virtue of > alt.seduction.fast? Since dismissed baybee developed the agenda that the ONLY way a man can get laid is to lie to women. Then, of course, he developed the agenda that all women can tell when a man is lying so if a man lies to a woman he CAN'T lay her. Then he started getting confused as to what exactly his agenda really is and started throwing out both ideas indiscriminately.
Now? Who the f.ck knows. He certainly doesn't.
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goldielocks - 14 Feb 2006 14:22 GMT > So "calling her on her bullshit" doesn't apply to stuff like this. This > bullshit is stuff you shouldn't call on her. There is no "bullshit" to call anyone on. If you don't like the game, don't play it.
> So much for being alpha and being unafraid of being honest with women. What does enjoying oral sex have to do with being an alpha male?
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Daedalus - 14 Feb 2006 16:06 GMT On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:55:57 GMT, "Ray Gordon" <ray@cybersheet.com>, wrote:
>>> New study out: >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >So much for being alpha and being unafraid of being honest with women. You aren't concerned about honesty, Ray. You just want to whine, as usual.
Like a little girl.
A really crazy, litigiously obsessed little girl.
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Odious - 15 Feb 2006 01:49 GMT >>>> New study out: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > A really crazy, litigiously obsessed little girl. What it boils down to is ray's need for failure rationalization, as always.
He tries to float the premise that women are screwing their bosses... so he can then postulate that the reason women do not want sex with him, is that he is unable to offer them and career advancement.
If he can label all women or most women as gold diggers, then he can in turn blame his failures with women on his lack of gold, rather than admit his failures are due to the fact he has a personality that is roughly as appealing as the bottom of a port-o-potty that's been sitting in the sun for a week.
As a side note it makes ray feel better about his inability to get and keep a job if he blames it on some evil woman who used her sex appeal to steal a job from gordo. See that's his rationalization for his failure in the job market... it isn't his anti-social behavior, lack of skill, nor his delusional persecution complex or mood swings that keep him from being hired in an office environment, but that the bosses only hire women that they think will f.ck them.
Odious - 15 Feb 2006 01:42 GMT >>> New study out: >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > So "calling her on her bullshit" doesn't apply to stuff like this. You mean stuff like stats that prove your math skills are even worse than your social skills?
The numbers you posted show only about 3 percent of women are advancing their careers by banging their boss.
The other 97% are either not banging their boss in the first place or have seen no career advancement as a result of banging their boss.
HC - 18 Feb 2006 15:28 GMT > So much for being alpha and being unafraid of being honest with women. So much for sleep.
Hello 6:55 AM.
Rudy Canoza - 14 Feb 2006 13:55 GMT > > New study out: > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Happy Valentines.. Yes women hate the truth, don't they? That'd explain the breast-implant/cosmetic surgery industry...
Kadaitcha Man - 14 Feb 2006 12:55 GMT Ray Gordon <ray@cybersheet.com>, the ghastly grandpa and teary-eyed buggeranto who likes exhausting penile regurgitation with muskrats, and whose partner is a toll-hole with a macabre willy washer, wrote in <vdiIf.15564$Lp2.7939@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>:
> New study out: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > in mind that they are stealing opportunity and survival resources from > less-attractive women BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Do the numbers, fucktard. 83% of women are 'are stealing opportunity and survival resources from [the 17% of] less-attractive women'.
You utterly f.ck-knuckled misanthrope.
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Rudy Canoza - 14 Feb 2006 13:57 GMT > Ray Gordon <ray@cybersheet.com>, the ghastly grandpa and teary-eyed > buggeranto who likes exhausting penile regurgitation with muskrats, and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Do the numbers, fucktard. 83% of women are 'are stealing > opportunity and survival resources from [the 17% of] less-attractive women'. Men are on the job to do a job. Obviously women can't be trusted to do this. Maybe that's why they're not paid as much?
> You utterly f.ck-knuckled misanthrope. Better than being a boob-bouncing whore.
Aratzio - 14 Feb 2006 14:58 GMT >> Ray Gordon <ray@cybersheet.com>, the ghastly grandpa and teary-eyed >> buggeranto who likes exhausting penile regurgitation with muskrats, and [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Men are on the job to do a job. Obviously women can't be trusted to do this. >Maybe that's why they're not paid as much? What a retard.
Yeah, you have a lot of experience in an office environment. Put one good looking lady in the office and every man in the place will find any excuse to spend time near her.
>> You utterly f.ck-knuckled misanthrope. > >Better than being a boob-bouncing whore. BWAHAHAHAHA I'd much rather watch them boobies doing the bounce than having a moron like you spewing crap.
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Aratzio - 14 Feb 2006 14:37 GMT >Ray Gordon <ray@cybersheet.com>, the ghastly grandpa and teary-eyed >buggeranto who likes exhausting penile regurgitation with muskrats, and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >You utterly f.ck-knuckled misanthrope. Careful, Raytard will kooksoot you for $10,000,000,000.00.
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johnebravo836 - 14 Feb 2006 14:51 GMT [snip]
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Kadaitcha Man - 14 Feb 2006 22:13 GMT Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>, the griping transient and zit-faced leatherdyke who likes licentious goob loobin' with moose, and whose partner is a hard-boiler with infectious foetus flaps, wrote in <lrq3v1ler58tnipojdtd2jq0ea3e9937rd@4ax.com>:
>> Ray Gordon <ray@cybersheet.com>, the ghastly grandpa and teary-eyed >> buggeranto who likes exhausting penile regurgitation with muskrats, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Careful, Raytard will kooksoot you for $10,000,000,000.00. I hope so.
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>Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>, the griping transient and zit-faced >leatherdyke who likes licentious goob loobin' with moose, and whose [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >I hope so. I asked for one, he ran away.
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David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus) on 10-22-2005 Message-Id: <slrndlk3ae.fc2.dformosa@dformosa.zeta.org.au> "But it is not isolated AUK has a massive impact the rest of usenet."
Kadaitcha Man - 15 Feb 2006 03:00 GMT Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>, the plump freeloader and vacant rimadonna who likes inventive one-eyed target practice with guinea pigs, and whose partner is a gay-lady with a fiery slimey slot, wrote in <97s4v11cbb2l64nar8mbvkgsv02j99d6ap@4ax.com>:
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:58:33 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man" > <f.ck-you.ya.c.nt@kiss-my-big-black-a.s.com> got double secret [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > I asked for one, he ran away. Well, he's not much fun, is he?
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Aratzio - 15 Feb 2006 03:19 GMT On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:45:56 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man" <f.ck-you.ya.c.nt@kiss-my-big-black-a.s.com> got double secret probation because:
>Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>, the plump freeloader and vacant >rimadonna who likes inventive one-eyed target practice with guinea pigs, [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >Well, he's not much fun, is he? He is a semi-soc.froot and *seduction* expert, so on occasion he says REALLY stupid sh.t.
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David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus) on 10-22-2005 Message-Id: <slrndlk3ae.fc2.dformosa@dformosa.zeta.org.au> "But it is not isolated AUK has a massive impact the rest of usenet."
Kadaitcha Man - 15 Feb 2006 03:37 GMT Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>, the prattling cadger and dirty-minded sissy-britches who likes ceaseless nad chewing with cats, and whose partner is a street-sister with a dripping nooner, wrote in <ic75v1t3vlv4ak5sup8usilan8kf5tnqg1@4ax.com>:
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:45:56 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man" > <f.ck-you.ya.c.nt@kiss-my-big-black-a.s.com> got double secret [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > He is a semi-soc.froot and *seduction* expert, so on occasion he says > REALLY stupid sh.t. Oh, he seduced himself into believing his own bullshit?
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Aratzio - 15 Feb 2006 03:36 GMT On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:22:46 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man" <f.ck-you.ya.c.nt@kiss-my-big-black-a.s.com> got double secret probation because:
>Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>, the prattling cadger and >dirty-minded sissy-britches who likes ceaseless nad chewing with cats, [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > >Oh, he seduced himself into believing his own bullshit? $10,000,000,000 kooksoot against google for archiving posts.
So that would be, yes.
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David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus) on 10-22-2005 Message-Id: <slrndlk3ae.fc2.dformosa@dformosa.zeta.org.au> "But it is not isolated AUK has a massive impact the rest of usenet."
Kadaitcha Man - 15 Feb 2006 21:19 GMT Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>, the scraggy tramp and young baby-butch who likes sordid rumple foreskin rubbing with budgerigars, and whose partner is a Mastercard-Mary with a capacious wizard's sleeve, wrote in <2d85v1h5q3gkq95c7u8bqqmnfsmhos781u@4ax.com>:
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:22:46 +0545, "Kadaitcha Man" > <f.ck-you.ya.c.nt@kiss-my-big-black-a.s.com> got double secret [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > $10,000,000,000 kooksoot against google for archiving posts. BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Honestly?
> So that would be, yes.
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HeeroYuy - 15 Feb 2006 22:38 GMT > Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>, the scraggy tramp and young > baby-butch who likes sordid rumple foreskin rubbing with budgerigars, [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Honestly? Sadly, yes. He actually filed a $10 billion suit against Google. Needless to say, it didn't get very far.
>> So that would be, yes. Pale.Pink. - 15 Feb 2006 23:40 GMT > Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>, the griping transient and zit-faced > leatherdyke who likes licentious goob loobin' with moose, and whose [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>> stealing opportunity and survival resources from [the 17% of] >>> less-attractive women'. You didn't do too well in logic... I can see. There is no evidence
that the total is 83%. It is more logical to assume the total is 50%.
And that leaves a bit more then 17% being "less attractive" and/or
opportunistic. Actually neither of those descriptors need apply ...
if you checked the statistics you would learn the general average of
those who date other employees is equal between male and female ...
oh ... gees ... you could have figured that out just by thinking a
little less heavily on you feet.
>>> You utterly f.ck-knuckled misanthrope. >> Careful, Raytard will kooksoot you for $10,000,000,000.00. > > I hope so. Kadaitcha Man - 16 Feb 2006 00:14 GMT Pale.Pink. <Pale.Pink.Meta.Gases@hush.ai>, the crippled leper and diseased dyna who likes nasty willy wonka w.nking with worms, and whose partner is a town-bike with a sloppy pecan pattie, wrote in <dPidnRsYdPWaIW7eRVn-tA@comcast.com>:
>> Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com>, the griping transient and >> zit-faced leatherdyke who likes licentious goob loobin' with moose, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > that the total is 83%. It is more logical to assume the total is > 50%. Get a calculator, slagtits.
50 percent of women 21 percent of women 13 percent
50 + 21 + 13 = 84
Call me a liar for a rough estimate of the numbers without actually adding them up being out by 1 and I'll call you a fuckwitted nincompoop for your utter bullshit. Now, f.ck off and die. Horribly, please.
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Pale.Pink. - 16 Feb 2006 01:26 GMT > Pale.Pink. <Pale.Pink.Meta.Gases@hush.ai>, the crippled leper and > diseased dyna who likes nasty willy wonka w.nking with worms, and whose [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > them up being out by 1 and I'll call you a fuckwitted nincompoop for your > utter bullshit. Now, f.ck off and die. Horribly, please. A-gain. Within the 50%
> >>>>> 21 percent of women have dated their boss Who is a co-worker <get it> and
> >>>>> 13 percent said dating boss helped career of the 21% <you ninny> Not an additional 13%.
Now I know this may difficult for you to grasp ... but .... if 50% of women are dating co-workers how many of those coworkers are male?
Kadaitcha Man - 16 Feb 2006 01:32 GMT Pale.Pink. <Pale.Pink.Meta.Gases@hush.ai>, the constipated scrounger and conspicuous receptive sex partner who likes dispassionate eddy clubbing with beavers, and whose partner is a hay bag with a defective beefgina, wrote in <iKSdncpldu5fSW7enZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com>:
>> Pale.Pink. <Pale.Pink.Meta.Gases@hush.ai>, the crippled leper and >> diseased dyna who likes nasty willy wonka w.nking with worms, and [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > A-gain. > Within the 50% Ok, if you want to insist that 50% + 21% + 13% = 50%, I'm not going to explode your delusion.
BTW, what in particular did you fail to understand about the words 'f.ck off and die. Horribly, please.'?
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Pale.Pink. - 16 Feb 2006 01:47 GMT > Pale.Pink. <Pale.Pink.Meta.Gases@hush.ai>, the constipated scrounger and > conspicuous receptive sex partner who likes dispassionate eddy clubbing [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >> A-gain. >> Within the 50%
> >>>>> 21 percent of women have dated their boss Who is a co-worker <get it> and
> >>>>> 13 percent said dating boss helped career of the 21% <you ninny> Not an additional 13%.
Obviously truth means little to you ... minimally you value it less then your juvenility.
Kadaitcha Man - 16 Feb 2006 02:02 GMT Pale.Pink. <Pale.Pink.Meta.Gases@hush.ai>, the sloppy leper and jazzy mattress-muncher who likes blood-thirsty tugs of war with cyclops with narwhals, and whose partner is a flea bagger with a massive axe wound, wrote in <qsqdnZMt15EoRG7enZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com>:
>> Pale.Pink. <Pale.Pink.Meta.Gases@hush.ai>, the constipated scrounger >> and conspicuous receptive sex partner who likes dispassionate eddy [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > Obviously truth means little to you ... minimally you value it less > then your juvenility. coworker or co-worker n. One who works with another; a fellow worker.
boss n. An employer or a supervisor.
>> BTW, what in particular did you fail to understand about the words 'f.ck >> off and die. Horribly, please.'? Note: no response.
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Pale.Pink. - 16 Feb 2006 02:30 GMT > Pale.Pink. <Pale.Pink.Meta.Gases@hush.ai>, the sloppy leper and jazzy > mattress-muncher who likes blood-thirsty tugs of war with cyclops with [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > Note: no response. Vociferous idiotic bully.
Tarikhi al-Dabbah - 16 Feb 2006 02:35 GMT Pale.Pink. <Pale.Pink.Meta.Gases@hush.ai> wrote:
>> Pale.Pink. <Pale.Pink.Meta.Gases@hush.ai>, the sloppy leper and jazzy >> mattress-muncher who likes blood-thirsty tugs of war with cyclops [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] >> >> Note: no response. Note: Still no response.
> Vociferous idiotic bully. <pokes out tongue>
Pale.Pink. - 16 Feb 2006 02:33 GMT > Pale.Pink. <Pale.Pink.Meta.Gases@hush.ai>, the sloppy leper and jazzy > mattress-muncher who likes blood-thirsty tugs of war with cyclops with [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > n. > An employer or a supervisor. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=co-worker
Fred Tehbot - 16 Feb 2006 02:38 GMT Pale.Pink. <Pale.Pink.Meta.Gases@hush.ai>, popped out in <e-CdnRvP2dMPeW7enZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com>:
>> Pale.Pink. <Pale.Pink.Meta.Gases@hush.ai>, the sloppy leper and jazzy >> mattress-muncher who likes blood-thirsty tugs of war with cyclops [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] >> > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=co-worker http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=boss
Pale.Pink. - 16 Feb 2006 10:59 GMT > Pale.Pink. <Pale.Pink.Meta.Gases@hush.ai>, popped out in > <e-CdnRvP2dMPeW7enZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com>: [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=boss When Hell freezes over.
Alex - 14 Feb 2006 13:10 GMT > New study out: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > less-attractive women, though none of the male feminists I meet seem to > realize that less-attractive women also count as women. Not quite sure how to jump that chasm of logic between dating a co-worker and being a whore.
johnebravo836 - 14 Feb 2006 14:23 GMT >>New study out: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Not quite sure how to jump that chasm of logic between dating a co-worker > and being a whore. I don't think that Evel Knievel's rocket powered motorcycle would get you across a chasm like that.
Note to Mr. Parker: definition of "non sequitur"
Main Entry: non se·qui·tur Pronunciation: 'nän-'se-kw&-t&r also -"tur Function: noun Etymology: Latin, it does not follow 1 : an inference that does not follow from the premises; specifically : a fallacy resulting from a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent 2 : a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from anything previously said
Quintal - 25 Feb 2006 01:01 GMT >>>New study out: >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Etymology: Latin, it does not follow >1 : an inference that does not follow from the premises; specifically :
>a fallacy resulting from a simple conversion of a universal affirmative >proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent interesting. any examples of the two above??
"a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition"
" or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent"
>2 : a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from >anything previously said adding a french NG for mailbox;-)
johnebravo836 - 25 Feb 2006 03:09 GMT >>>>New study out: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > interesting. > any examples of the two above?? What? You want a basic logic lesson?
> "a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition" A universal affirmative proposition would be (1) "All S is P"; a simple conversion of that proposition would be (2) "All P is S". Inferring (2) from (1) would be one example of a non sequitur.
> " or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent" A conditional proposition would be (1) "If A, then B"; a transposition of that proposition would be (2) "If B, then A". Inferring (2) from (1) would be another example of a non sequitur.
>>2 : a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from >>anything previously said > > adding a french NG for mailbox;-) Quintal - 25 Feb 2006 21:30 GMT >>>>>New study out: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >What? You want a basic logic lesson? sure, although my request bears mostly on defining the vocabulary.
>> "a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition" > >A universal affirmative proposition would be (1) "All S is P"; a simple >conversion of that proposition would be (2) "All P is S". Inferring (2) >from (1) would be one example of a non sequitur. got it.
>> " or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent" > >A conditional proposition would be (1) "If A, then B"; a transposition >of that proposition would be (2) "If B, then A". Inferring (2) from (1) >would be another example of a non sequitur. Allright.
Thank you;-) It's been easy to understand with your explanations.
>>>2 : a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from >>>anything previously said johnebravo836 - 27 Feb 2006 17:06 GMT [snip]
>>What? You want a basic logic lesson? > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Thank you;-) > It's been easy to understand with your explanations. My pleasure . . . I will agree that the vocabulary used in the dictionary definition cited was unnecessarily technical.
Quintal - 27 Feb 2006 17:20 GMT >[snip] > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >My pleasure . . . I will agree that the vocabulary used in the >dictionary definition cited was unnecessarily technical. quite jargonesque indeed;-)
I ended up translating the whole bit (and adding concrete examples) for my french newsgroup (last one on the list here).
Viking - 14 Feb 2006 16:32 GMT >> New study out: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Not quite sure how to jump that chasm of logic between dating a co-worker >and being a whore. The last number above might help you along.
Daedalus - 14 Feb 2006 19:49 GMT >>> New study out: >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >The last number above might help you along. *giggle* Professor Bumblenuts is trying to interpret numbers again...
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Aratzio - 14 Feb 2006 20:26 GMT >>>> New study out: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Jade Those ar feminist numbers. You know, more than 10.
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JMC - 14 Feb 2006 13:25 GMT > New study out: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that they are stealing opportunity and survival resources from > less-attractive women No, worst of all they are stealing jobs from more qualified men. Then they turn around and bitch that they can't find a man who earns more money than they do. And by God they aren't going to "settle" for a man who makes less! Can't have it both ways, bitches ...
Ray Gordon - 14 Feb 2006 18:17 GMT >> New study out: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > No, worst of all they are stealing jobs from more qualified men. Agreed,. but we aren't sympathetic victims. Feminists are supposed to care about what happens to women, however, yet it's obvious that they do not.
I guess only the pretty women count.
Krus T. Olfard - 15 Feb 2006 02:42 GMT "Ray Gordon" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in news:U8pIf.15609$Lp2.10201 @news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com:
> I guess only the pretty women count. Try adding up the numbers you posted again. I suspect even the ugly women can count better than you.
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HC - 18 Feb 2006 15:30 GMT > I guess only the pretty women count. Still posting.
Still awake.
Hello 1:17 PM.
I guess only non-mentally ill people sleep.
Quintal - 25 Feb 2006 01:06 GMT >>> New study out: >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Agreed,. but we aren't sympathetic victims. Feminists are supposed to care >about what happens to women, however, yet it's obvious that they do not. feminism is a tool of communism, and women a tool of feminism. Feminist leaders are just communists. Feminism is used to justify the toppling down of the patriarchal social order, aka the capitalist society, aka the christian old order of society. It's a war machine. The feminist women are dumb soldiers, happy to flesh it out, unaware of what they're into.
>I guess only the pretty women count. johnebravo836 - 25 Feb 2006 02:52 GMT [snip]
> feminism is a tool of communism, and women a tool of feminism. So, if A is a tool of B, and C is a tool of A, does that mean that C is a tool of B? I'm asking. You seem to be *implying* that, but not saying so explicitly.
> Feminist leaders are just communists. Whoops-a-daisy! I think you just slipped in "feminist leaders" in place of "women". Hmm, do you think that there may be something fishy about equating "women" with "feminist leaders"? You're kinda new to this "logical inference stuff", aren't you?
Pete Turk - 26 Feb 2006 01:05 GMT >feminism is a tool of communism, and women a tool of feminism. >Feminist leaders are just communists. Feminism is used to justify the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >>I guess only the pretty women count. Well well, Mr. Quintal ...
I notice you have a way of linking two grossly dissimilar and mutually alien ideologies by saying that _one is the same as the other_!! ...
whereas anyone can see that the only thing they possibly have in common is the negative connotations they both simultaneously evoke in your head.
I wonder if you're from that same clique whose leader once blathered about an _axis of evil_. In a similar way, he'd linked-up three of four totally dissimilar countries (Iraq, Iran, North Korea and Cuba) on the fatuous basis that they MUST be in league because they had similar views regarding the U.S.A.
I digress.
Mr Quintal, if your mind is that firmly set on the notion Feminism=Communism=Feminism then let me introduce you to the Whiners' Club of America:
-------------- Press Release -------------------------- The Whiners' Club of America (WCA) announces that it will offer the following free memberships: ------------ Basic Level: ------------ Qualification:
-- One reference to "jerks get sex, nice guys don't". Any general explanation for this phenomena accepted. This level of membership will entitle you to lifetime membership into the Whiners' Lounge, or until you lose your virginity ... whichever comes first. -------------------- Silver Club Members: -------------------- To get this level you need: -- The creation of a general theory of women's behaviour or attitude. This theory can be based on either imagined or actual experiences.
No verification of this theory is required. The rewards of this level is lifetime membership in the WCA, that does not expire at the loss of virginity.
However, if feelings of bitterness subside, or the theory has not been actively discussed in a 3-year period, the silver club membership will be revoked. ------------------ Gold Club Members: ------------------ To get this level you need: -- A fully developed general theory of women's behaviour and attitudes with rationalisations and justifications;
-- No date in the preceding 1 year;
-- You have not approached any women for dates or conversations in 3 months; As a reward you receive membership to the Whiners' Lounge. However, the WCA cannot guarantee against ridicule, disdain, disbelief, disrespect, contempt or any other emotion that may be expressed in the member's direction. Finally we have the:
*********************** Platinum Level Members: *********************** To get this level you need: -- A fully developed general theory of women's behaviour and an attempt to fit _any_ situation into the theory regardless of the evidence. Sexual History or sexual attempts are irrelevant.
Revocation is at the discretion of the member. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
The WCA was set up to provide a warm comfortable meeting place for men to relax and exchange ideas. The WCA is proud of its distinguished role in society. We are located all over the country.
Look in the yellow pages for a club near you. Signed the President ...
======== end of press release ==============================
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the Danimal - 26 Feb 2006 01:52 GMT > -------------- Press Release -------------------------- > > The Whiners' Club of America (WCA) announces that it > will offer the following free memberships: [...]
> ------------------ > Gold Club Members: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- You have not approached any women for dates or conversations > in 3 months; A very large percentage of women have NEVER approached any male stranger and asked him out on a date.
If this failure is shameful for men, why is it socially acceptable for women?
> As a reward you receive membership to the Whiners' Lounge. > > However, the WCA cannot guarantee against ridicule, disdain, > disbelief, disrespect, contempt or any other emotion that > may be expressed in the member's direction. One way to avoid those kinds of reactions, or at least to have a good way to respond to them, is to stick to the facts.
Loserguys should hang around courthouses and ridicule winnerguys who are having their wallets cleaned out in divorce cases.
-- the Danimal
johnebravo836 - 27 Feb 2006 17:17 GMT [snip]
> A very large percentage of women have NEVER approached > any male stranger and asked him out on a date. > > If this failure is shameful for men, why is it socially acceptable > for women? Are you suggesting that you think this is an unfair double standard?
Rudy Canoza - 14 Feb 2006 13:54 GMT > New study out: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > less-attractive women, though none of the male feminists I meet seem to > realize that less-attractive women also count as women. I suppose women belong in the workforce like men belong in strip bars. It makes sense.
georgewvandalism@yahoo.com - 14 Feb 2006 14:02 GMT > New study out: > > 50 percent of women have dated co-workers > 21 percent of women have dated their boss > 13 percent said dating boss helped career You are using these statistics to justify calling women "whores", when these statistics clearly show that the majority of women are NOT whores. And being an office whore to advance in the workplace isn't the worst thing you could be, considering some of the sleazy stuff men often pull to move up the corporate ladder.
johnebravo836 - 14 Feb 2006 14:15 GMT >>New study out: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > whores. And being an office whore to advance in the workplace isn't the > worst thing you could be, Are you trying to imply that being a sociopathic, unmedicated bipolar newsloon is even lower than being an office whore?
Hey, who would argue with that? ;)
> considering some of the sleazy stuff men > often pull to move up the corporate ladder. Quintal - 25 Feb 2006 01:08 GMT >>>New study out: >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Are you trying to imply that being a sociopathic, unmedicated bipolar >newsloon unmedicated? being medicated would bebetter in your opinion? are you on drugs?
> is even lower than being an office whore? > >Hey, who would argue with that? ;) > >> considering some of the sleazy stuff men >> often pull to move up the corporate ladder. Krus T. Olfard - 25 Feb 2006 01:32 GMT >>Are you trying to imply that being a sociopathic, unmedicated bipolar >>newsloon > > unmedicated? being medicated would bebetter in your opinion? > are you on drugs? I suppose there may be a place for you somewhere in the universe. I wish you luck in finding it.
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johnebravo836 - 25 Feb 2006 02:45 GMT [snip]
>>Are you trying to imply that being a sociopathic, unmedicated bipolar >>newsloon > > unmedicated? being medicated would bebetter in your opinion? If you're bipolar? You betcha.
goldielocks - 14 Feb 2006 14:17 GMT > New study out: > > 50 percent of women have dated co-workers > 21 percent of women have dated their boss > 13 percent said dating boss helped career Would you name this "study" so I can access the information for myself?
Dating someone doesn't equate with being a whore.
> No wonder women get so angry when men accuse them of using sexuality to get > ahead at work. The truth -- especially that one -- hurts. It doesn't hurt. Obviously, though it seems to have eluded you, men date at work too. Unless you believe that all these women are dating each other.
> These women want to be thought of as nice, moral creatures, but keep in mind > that they are stealing opportunity and survival resources from > less-attractive women, though none of the male feminists I meet seem to > realize that less-attractive women also count as women. All people, men and women, equally exploit whatever strengths they possess. It is laudable that you are concerned about the less attractive, but in the modern business world, ability is still very necessary. No one would deny that looks help, however both men and women exploit their appearance, charm, and social savoir faire.
Attempting to blame women for all of this is ridiculous. Blame human biology.
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johnebravo836 - 14 Feb 2006 14:30 GMT [snip]
> Dating someone doesn't equate with being a whore. It does if you're Mr. Parker, and the woman is dating anyone who's last name does not start with a "P" and end with an "arker".
Krus T. Olfard - 14 Feb 2006 16:37 GMT > Dating someone doesn't equate with being a whore. Apparently it means that to the dismissed baybee. I suppose that's why he never gets out on any dates. I suppose that's why he can't get a woman to pose in a photo with him. I suppose that explains all of his failures with woman. Lucky women!
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Ray Gordon - 14 Feb 2006 20:12 GMT >> New study out: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Dating someone doesn't equate with being a whore. Doing it to advance one's career, however, does.
>> No wonder women get so angry when men accuse them of using sexuality to >> get [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > date at work too. Unless you believe that all these women are dating > each other. Men are the ones in positions of power.
>> These women want to be thought of as nice, moral creatures, but keep in >> mind [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > All people, men and women, equally exploit whatever strengths they > possess. Hardly. Laws prohibit us from doing that.
>It is laudable that you are concerned about the less > attractive, but in the modern business world, ability is still very > necessary. Ability is not tied to looks.
>No one would deny that looks help, however both men and > women exploit their appearance, charm, and social savoir faire. If they have them. Unfortunately, not everyone has them, and in a meritocracy, it's not supposed to matter if they do.
> Attempting to blame women for all of this is ridiculous. Blame human > biology. If the women are called to testify about what goes on and lie under oath to protect their paycheck (as most will), then they are the problem above and beyond any man.
georgewvandalism@yahoo.com - 14 Feb 2006 20:52 GMT If the Aryan Nations published the results of some agenda ridden horse sh.t survey that claimed that "13% of blacks have committed a crime", how would you feel about using that to justify saying that all blacks are criminals and should be locked up?
ashenthorn - 14 Feb 2006 21:02 GMT > >No one would deny that looks help, however both men and > > women exploit their appearance, charm, and social savoir faire. > > If they have them. Unfortunately, not everyone has them, and in a > meritocracy, it's not supposed to matter if they do. The United States not a meritocracy and is currently at the furthest point from being a meritocracy than it ever has been before. Exhibit A - "Heck of a job Brownie".
And of course the perennial problem in advocating meritocracy is defining exactly what one means by merit.
goldielocks - 14 Feb 2006 21:09 GMT > >> New study out: > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > Would you name this "study" so I can access the information for myself? Who did this "study" and where? How can the reader access this study? Did the study refer to women as "whores"?
> > Dating someone doesn't equate with being a whore. > > Doing it to advance one's career, however, does. I suppose. But until I can access the study that you mention I cannot take any of the numbers seriously.
> >> No wonder women get so angry when men accuse them of using sexuality to > >> get [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Men are the ones in positions of power. More women are in positions of power. Therefore it can cut both ways.
> >> These women want to be thought of as nice, moral creatures, but keep in > >> mind [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Hardly. Laws prohibit us from doing that. There are laws against being smarter than someone else? Since when?
> >It is laudable that you are concerned about the less > > attractive, but in the modern business world, ability is still very > > necessary. > > Ability is not tied to looks. Of course not. No sensible person would disagree with that.
> >No one would deny that looks help, however both men and > > women exploit their appearance, charm, and social savoir faire. > > If they have them. Unfortunately, not everyone has them, and in a > meritocracy, it's not supposed to matter if they do. Everything matters, including personal hygiene. Perhaps it shouldn't, but it does.
> > Attempting to blame women for all of this is ridiculous. Blame human > > biology. > > If the women are called to testify about what goes on and lie under oath to > protect their paycheck (as most will), Do you have statistically varifiable evidence for that?
> then they are the problem above and > beyond any man. That is speculative at best. Please provide documentation for your assertions.
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Alex - 14 Feb 2006 22:08 GMT >> then they are the problem above and >> beyond any man. > > That is speculative at best. Please provide documentation for your > assertions. Good luck with that.
Some of us have been waiting for YEARS for Gordon to document evidence for any of his assertions, including a Federal Judge or three.
Krus T. Olfard - 15 Feb 2006 02:47 GMT > I suppose. But until I can access the study that you mention I cannot > take any of the numbers seriously. Gordon posted it. Don't take it seriously. Don't take anything that he posts seriously. Well, not unless he also posts verifiable evidence of his claiims. Which he never does so... ...don't take anything he posts seriously.
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Sean_MacCloud - 15 Feb 2006 18:56 GMT > > >> New study out: > > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I suppose. But until I can access the study that you mention I cannot > take any of the numbers seriously. Who cares whether or not you take them to lunch.
> > >> No wonder women get so angry when men accuse them of using sexuality to > > >> get [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > More women are in positions of power. Therefore it can cut both ways. And the moon is made of cheese.
Hey! You're right!: just saying things _does_ make them true.
> > >> These women want to be thought of as nice, moral creatures, but keep in > > >> mind [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > There are laws against being smarter than someone else? Since when? Sophistry.
> > >It is laudable that you are concerned about the less > > > attractive, but in the modern business world, ability is still very [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Of course not. No sensible person would disagree with that. Looks and intellectual aptitude are related, generaly.
> > >No one would deny that looks help, however both men and > > > women exploit their appearance, charm, and social savoir faire. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Do you have statistically varifiable evidence for that? Do you swallow on the first date.
> > then they are the problem above and > > beyond any man. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > */* Sean_MacCloud - 15 Feb 2006 21:20 GMT Sean_MacCloud <sean_macloud@[you-is-smart]yahoo.com> wrote in message <LJKIf.172$U82.150@fe11.lga>...
> Thoughtless Butt Ranger with pointless dooker and ratty butt-hole > requires two bit kibble 'n' bitz for rugged bayonet drill. Mail me at > <sean_macloud@[you-is-smart]yahoo.com> Ray Gordon - 15 Feb 2006 21:45 GMT >> If the women are called to testify about what goes on and lie under oath >> to >> protect their paycheck (as most will), > > Do you have statistically varifiable evidence for that? Most of the stats would involve retaliation cases, and the EEOC tracks that.
The most telling evidence is when someone goes down for misconduct (civil or criminal), it inevitably comes out that some whistleblower was fired, or that half the company knew and said nothing.
It's not exactly a secret that a snitch can expect to be fired, so if the company is corrupt, you can be pretty sure the underlings know what is going on and also know that they aren't allowed to speak up.
I prefer women who are removed from the corporate corruption and who earn their livings independently inasmuch as they aren't vulnerable to that type of situation. Lots of guys have wives and girlfriends who go to work in places where sexual misconduct later comes out, and this is not a good thing for that type of relationship.
Awoken Spirit - 15 Feb 2006 22:38 GMT >>> If the women are called to testify about what goes on and lie under oath >>> to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > company is corrupt, you can be pretty sure the underlings know what is going > on and also know that they aren't allowed to speak up. There are laws to protect people from "getting fired" when they are not in the wrong. It is far more likely that their job will be made as unpleasant as possible to drive the "unwanted" employee out.
Ray Gordon - 16 Feb 2006 13:01 GMT >> It's not exactly a secret that a snitch can expect to be fired, so if the >> company is corrupt, you can be pretty sure the underlings know what is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the wrong. It is far more likely that their job will be made as unpleasant > as possible to drive the "unwanted" employee out. Or they'll be fired under pretext. The laws do little to protect the worker because they don't guarantee employment while the suit is pending.
johnebravo836 - 16 Feb 2006 14:43 GMT > The laws do little to protect the worker > because they don't guarantee employment while the suit is pending. Thus spaketh the Employment Lawyer Extraordinaire.
Since coaching gymnasts is really no different than playing chess, then why can't being a flop as a legal secretary be just like being an expert on employment law?
Awoken Spirit - 16 Feb 2006 21:12 GMT >>> It's not exactly a secret that a snitch can expect to be fired, so if the >>> company is corrupt, you can be pretty sure the underlings know what is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Or they'll be fired under pretext. The laws do little to protect the worker Wrong.
> because they don't guarantee employment while the suit is pending. Paid suspension.
Ray Gordon - 18 Feb 2006 00:49 GMT >>>> It's not exactly a secret that a snitch can expect to be fired, so if >>>> the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Paid suspension. You think every fired whistleblower gets a paid suspension?
Not in America.
Awoken Spirit - 18 Feb 2006 01:32 GMT >>>>> It's not exactly a secret that a snitch can expect to be fired, so if >>>>> the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > You think every fired whistleblower gets a paid suspension? Some laws need to change.
In the UK there are laws to protect people from unfair dismissal.
Odious - 18 Feb 2006 20:41 GMT >>>>>> It's not exactly a secret that a snitch can expect to be fired, so if >>>>>> the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > In the UK there are laws to protect people from unfair dismissal. There are also laws like that here in the US.
However when someone is fired for legit reasons, like having severe mental problems for example, and then they turn around and blame their firing on some whistle blowing they did or were planning to do... the law does not automatically assume the employer is guilty. They require proof, not simply the ranting of a paranoid delusional netkook.
You have to understand ray's definition of whistle blowing.... he claims calling under age girls whores and c.nts in alt.sports.gymnastics was whistle blowing about child abuse in gymnastics.
He thinks calling women office whores is whistle blowing.
Imagine that... being in an office where some a.s starts calling the women there office whores and accusing them of using their looks to get ahead of him in the workplace. Then when he gets fired for harassing other employees and creating a hostile work environment, he'd accuse them of firing him because he was whistle blowing about sex discrimination.
Johannes Seppi - 15 Feb 2006 23:11 GMT Ray Gordon schrieb:
>>> If the women are called to testify about what goes on and lie under oath >>> to >>> protect their paycheck (as most will), >> Do you have statistically varifiable evidence for that? > > Most of the stats would involve retaliation cases, and the EEOC tracks that. Ray, the question was "do you have statistically verifiable evidence for that?" You deflect, as usual, so I take that as a no.
[snip deflection]
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goldielocks - 15 Feb 2006 23:53 GMT > Most of the stats would involve retaliation cases, and the EEOC tracks that. What? Is there a "study" or is there not a "study"?
> The most telling evidence is when someone Who? Which someone? I am not following this.
> goes down for misconduct (civil or > criminal), it inevitably comes out that some whistleblower was fired, or > that half the company knew and said nothing. So you have nothing verifiable? Nothing that can be checked for accuracy? So I am just supposed to take your word for it?
> It's not exactly a secret that a snitch can expect to be fired, so if the > company is corrupt, you can be pretty sure the underlings know what is going > on and also know that they aren't allowed to speak up. Then how do you know about it? So let me see if I understand this; your information comes from court testimony (not from an actual study) that no one is allowed to see - but that you have somehow been allowed to see, and that you cannot share because of the EEOC, is that what you're saying?
I am sorry, but I do not follow. If there is no verifiable study - where did those numbers come from? And who decided that these alleged women were "whores"?
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Krus T. Olfard - 16 Feb 2006 01:30 GMT > And who decided that these alleged women were "whores"? I assume ray decided they were whores because they wouldn't f.ck HIM, other men perhaps but not him.
Personally, I'd call them smart for making a decision like that.
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Alex - 16 Feb 2006 01:49 GMT >>> If the women are called to testify about what goes on and lie under oath >>> to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Most of the stats would involve retaliation cases, and the EEOC tracks that. So that would be a "no," then?
dizzy - 16 Feb 2006 03:51 GMT >>> If the women are called to testify about what goes on and lie under oath >>> to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Most of the stats would involve retaliation cases, and the EEOC tracks that. You are a dumbshit, "Ray Gordon". Stop embarrassing yourself.
HeeroYuy - 16 Feb 2006 04:17 GMT >>>> If the women are called to testify about what goes on and lie under >>>> oath [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You are a dumbshit, "Ray Gordon". Stop embarrassing yourself. The most entertaining part of Gordon's embarrassing himself is that he *cannot* stop.
dizzy - 14 Feb 2006 23:05 GMT >> All people, men and women, equally exploit whatever strengths they >> possess. > >Hardly. Laws prohibit us from doing that. Not true, idiot.
Krus T. Olfard - 15 Feb 2006 02:44 GMT "Ray Gordon" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in news:EQqIf.15612$Lp2.8204 @news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com:
> Hardly. Laws prohibit us from doing that. Ah, that's why you can't get laid, eh? There's a law against you ramping up your powerful sexuality.
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Awoken Spirit - 15 Feb 2006 22:33 GMT >>> New study out: >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Doing it to advance one's career, however, does. "Whore" is a word typically used to describe somebody who f.cks more than one person without a suitable time space in between. It carries the same meaning as slag, slapper, trollop, and the usual.
Somebody who f.cks to get themselves up the career ladder is not a whore, they are just selfish. Perhaps you could refer to them as a "drawer remover." Unless of course they are f.cking lots of managers, in which case they would become "drawer removing whores".
Am I making sense or do I need to stick to just the one sylabble?
>>> No wonder women get so angry when men accuse them of using sexuality to >>> get [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Men are the ones in positions of power. And in this day and age, that is a fine example of sexual equality?
goldielocks - 16 Feb 2006 00:04 GMT "Whore" is a word typically used to describe somebody who f.cks more than one person without a suitable time space in between. It carries the same meaning as slag, slapper, trollop, and the usual.
"Someone"? Or specifically a woman? What is a "suitable time space" between sexual partners? Is there an objective criteria that applies equally for both men and women or is this merely an arbitrary individual opinion?
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Awoken Spirit - 16 Feb 2006 21:11 GMT > "Whore" is a word typically used to describe somebody who f.cks more > than [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > objective criteria that applies equally for both men and women or is > this merely an arbitrary individual opinion? If you learn how to format a Usenet post properly and ask questions that actually need an answer then I will expend my time responding to your post.
Thank you.
goldielocks - 17 Feb 2006 03:21 GMT > > "Whore" is a word typically used to describe somebody who f.cks more > > than [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Thank you. Evasion noted.
You're welcome.
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Awoken Spirit - 17 Feb 2006 11:44 GMT >> > "Whore" is a word typically used to describe somebody who f.cks more >> > than [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > You're welcome. If the answers to your questions are not obvious to you, perhaps you should consider returning to School.
Your questions are in many ways similar to asking what colour the sky is.
goldielocks - 17 Feb 2006 13:47 GMT > >> > "Whore" is a word typically used to describe somebody who f.cks more > >> > than [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Your questions are in many ways similar to asking what colour the sky is. If my questions are easily answered - it must mean that the assertions I challenged are questionable at best. It is also self-evident that the first person to turn to an ad hominem attack is, in a sense, admitting rhetorical befuddlement.
Clearly, there was no "study" that produced the questionable statistics and the original poster simply needed to scream "whore" at women to compensate for some personal reason.
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Awoken Spirit - 18 Feb 2006 02:52 GMT >> >> > "Whore" is a word typically used to describe somebody who f.cks >> >> > more than [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > first person to turn to an ad hominem attack is, in a sense, admitting > rhetorical befuddlement. No. It just means that your are too stupid to understand simple English and feel that asking silly questions is the best way to go about life.
You are the sort of person who walks into a self service coffee shop and stands looking at the "Self Service Please" notice behind a queue of customers with trays on those cute little runners with plates of food on them and asks in a really loud voice "it is self service".
You are the sort of person who phones up an insurance company and goes through that little automated system, ignores the instructions such as "push 1 if you are existing customer, push two if you are a new customer interested in our services", takes option 1 and asks about signing up for services.
You are the sort of person who walks up to a close shop entrance, looking straight at the opening times on the glass door, having to squint slightly to read them as all the lights are off and tries to push the automatic doors apart but finds yourself hindered by the lock visible through the small gap in between the two doors that holds them closed, and shouts through "EXCUSE ME, ARE YOU OPEN?"
You are the sort of person who goes to a restaurant and asks for a no smoking table, and then when you are sat down hunt around the table before asking for an ash tray.
You are the sort of person who goes into a newsagent that is roughly the size of a Ford Transit van and asks if they sell furniture.
You are the sort of person who phones up the fire brigade to tell them that there is a large fire, and when asked where the fire is and if you know a postcode/zip code for the area, you ask "what would you need to know that for?"
You are the sort of person who travels across to Milan for the sole purpose of paying a visit to the Versace clothing outlet, entering the store you notice english person who you just heard speaking (in English) to another English person and ask them if they speak English. When they reply "yes" you ask to see the range of Giorgio Armani clothes.
You are the sort of person who pulls into a closed petrol station at 3AM having just driven through the traffic cones in front of the pumps, have a look around and notice the fact that nobody is around, and all the lights inside, and the canopy lighting is all switched off, you go to the back of your car where you look across at the metal roll-shutters over the kiosk entrance doors, before removing the petrol cap and picking up the pump. After waiting for five minutes for the pump to start, having had two people walk past you laughing at you decide to get back into your car and drive off.
You are the sort of person who goes to a bank and stands at the three ATM Cash Machines; having chosen the one in the middle which nobody seems to be using you notice a big sign saying "OUT OF ORDER" covering the entire front of the machine, you remove the sign as it is obstructing the keypad and the slot that you insert your card into. Having forcefully tried inserting your card several times, you storm over to the enquiry desk and ask the person at the desk if the ATM is working.
In actual fact, it wouldn't surprise me at all if you have done all these things I list above, at least twice, and still have not learnt from the embarassing experience.
> Clearly, there was no "study" that produced the questionable statistics > and the original poster simply needed to scream "whore" at women to > compensate for some personal reason. You are slow. The majority of us (tinu) picked up on the fact that it was bullshit within seconds of reading the post.
HC - 18 Feb 2006 15:32 GMT > If the women are called to testify about what goes on and lie under oath to > protect their paycheck (as most will), then they are the problem above and > beyond any man. So is sleep depravation.
It causes delusional behavior.
Hello 3:12 PM.
Not even a nap.
jjtjr - 14 Feb 2006 14:49 GMT >New study out: It's the same old song and dance. Some woman beat grp-ie out pf a job, his herpes acts up, his mommie bitches about him having no job, the dollies are updating their resume(s)..
He always needs someone ELSE to blame for his failures..
ALL I can add is:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Think for a sec. grp-ie has been singing the same spew now for over a decade...still, he has no life, no job, no woman, no future. And he STILL blames everyone else..
..mainly the "..c.nts." n "..whores.." whom he fears..
It's been said for as long as needed..and it still rings true..
"..it does suck to be Gordon Roy "..i was jesus.." Parker.."
And the clock is going tick-tock till his fantasy land fears ring true..wither in court, in person, or by time it 'self.
JJT
(enjoying my day off)
(to the tune of "Less then Zero, by Elvis C < Dallas Version > )
'Hellen' sucks da kennel off, in succession, While Ray Gordon threatens minors in mommie's abusive heaven.. Dreams his widdle dreams as 'hellen' looks up from giving head. Wet's his Under-Roos, grp-ie re-writes his spew again Just to teach him he's a lie, and that he's loony in the head..
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Chorus:
He brags about his Herpes. So the ladies don't reflect, truth is, his dollies don't respect him, U'all sure his mommie don't know... You'd think that grp-ie would learn, but His whole life is one big fat zero. Hey, ray... Hey, oo Ray-ey.
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Calling "c.nts" n "whores", calling anyone at the scene, If you were in the Twin Towers, your death grp-ie believes will pay for all his failures, every dollar he was denied. 'Hellen' wipes her mouth off & she swallows it with pride.. She moans, "47 poodles, earns us $24.95! ." NO TIP !
--- He brags about his Herpes. So the ladies don't reflect, truth is, his dollies don't respect him, U'all sure his mommie don't know... You'd think that grp-ie would learn, but His whole life is one big fat zero. Hey, ray... Hey, oo Ray-ey. ---
Under-Roos still steaming, grp-ie's 'fetal' on the floor. Mommie Parker thought her b/f beat grp-ie's a.s into a ball . Penny looks into the mirror, 'Hellen' turns and looks away. The dollies just don't give a sh.t as long as they get paid... 'Hellen' spits on grp-ie, as his fantasy fades away..
--- He brags about his Herpes. So the ladies don't reflect, truth is, his dollies don't respect him, U'all sure his mommie don't know... You'd think that grp-ie would learn, but His whole life is one big fat zero. Hey, ray... Hey, oo Ray-ey. ---
Beachcomber - 14 Feb 2006 15:58 GMT >New study out: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >less-attractive women, though none of the male feminists I meet seem to >realize that less-attractive women also count as women. The also steal opportunity from men in the office, although few men will put up with this situation on a long term basis. We intrinsically know about the power of pussy.
Beachcomber
Sean_MacCloud - 15 Feb 2006 18:59 GMT > >We [men] > intrinsically know about the power of pussy. > > Beachcomber And some fight back and some become stockholm syndrome sychopants, as evidenced at the very least by this thread.
Sean_MacCloud - 15 Feb 2006 21:20 GMT Sean_MacCloud <sean_macloud@[you-is-smart]yahoo.com> wrote in message <tMKIf.174$U82.169@fe11.lga>...
> Passive butthole surfer with coarse tree of life and diseased > butt-hole wants to meet wiry probe for formidable boffing. Mail me at > <sean_macloud@[you-is-smart]yahoo.com> Daedalus - 14 Feb 2006 16:13 GMT >New study out: > >50 percent of women have dated co-workers >21 percent of women have dated their boss >13 percent said dating boss helped career Who do you imagine they are all dating, each other?
>No wonder women get so angry when men accuse them of using sexuality to get >ahead at work. Looks like only 13 percent said it helped. Not a solid gamble. *Maybe* there is another reason they are dating co-workers.
(Hint: you're a dumbass.)
>The truth -- especially that one -- hurts. Why? I don't see the problem.
>These women want to be thought of as nice, moral creatures, but keep in mind >that they are stealing opportunity and survival resources from >less-attractive women, though none of the male feminists I meet seem to >realize that less-attractive women also count as women. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
This from the moron who allegedly bases his entire livelihood on getting "major hottie" chicks.
Aren't you the same guy (I use that term loosely) that is criticizing your seduction colleagues for the inferior looks of the women they date?
Hypocrite much?
Jade
goldielocks - 15 Feb 2006 14:26 GMT > Daedalus wrote: > Looks like only 13 percent said it helped. Not a solid gamble. *Maybe* > there is another reason they are dating co-workers. It is obvious; put men and women in any coed environment, school, business, whatever, and some of them will pair off and hook up. Attractions will happen, it's biology.
> >The truth -- especially that one -- hurts. > > Why? I don't see the problem. Neither do I. This so-called "truth" doesn't hurt at all. Would anyone want to work in a mixed sex environment that had some kind of rigid no-fraternization policy imposed on everyone?
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Daedalus - 15 Feb 2006 15:05 GMT >> Daedalus wrote: >> Looks like only 13 percent said it helped. Not a solid gamble. *Maybe* [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >business, whatever, and some of them will pair off and hook up. >Attractions will happen, it's biology. Makes perfect sense to you and me, but kooks like Ray understand nothing about the human race. He's too busy blaming women for his own failure and trying to tell men how to pick them up. *giggle*
>> >The truth -- especially that one -- hurts. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >*/* And Ray should want that too. If women were not in the work place he'd have to bitch and whine about men screwing him over.
Jade
Krus T. Olfard - 14 Feb 2006 16:27 GMT "Ray Gordon" <ray@cybersheet.com> wrote in news:vdiIf.15564$Lp2.7939 @news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com:
> 50 percent of women have dated co-workers > 21 percent of women have dated their boss > 13 percent said dating boss helped career 13 percent of newsloons are stupid and have absolutely no clue. 87 percent of newsloons are just stupid.
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mpitc2000@comcast.net - 14 Feb 2006 21:22 GMT New study out:
50 percent of women have dated co-workers 21 percent of women have dated their boss 13 percent said dating boss helped career
So that being said.... 50 percent of men have dated co-workers 21 percent of bosses have dated their female underlings 13 percent of bosses boosted the careers of women who dated them!
AND YOUR POINT IS??????
These men/bosses want to be thought of as nice, moral creatures, but keep in mind that they are stealing opportunity and survival resources from less-attractive women, though none of the males I meet seem to realize that less-attractive women also count as women
Coming from someone who turned down a Caddy and an appartment that one "boss" wanted to set up for me in return for.............. WHO THE HELL KNOWS WHAT? and that was at 20 years old! Thank God for my moral upbringing!!!!
the Danimal - 14 Feb 2006 22:12 GMT > New study out: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > So that being said.... > 50 percent of men have dated co-workers Not necessarily. There could be different total numbers of men and women working. The women who date co-workers might date a smaller or larger absolute number of men.
For example, in a small group of ten men and ten women, five of the women could date one of the men. Then 50% of the women would have dated one or more men from the group, and only 10% of the men would have dated one or more women from the group.
> 21 percent of bosses have dated their female underlings Again, not necessarily. The dating could distribute very unevenly between the two groups. Because underlings outnumber bosses, it's possible that a much higher percentage of bosses have dated underlings.
If a company has one boss and ten underlings, only one underling has to date the boss to cause 100% of bosses at the company to have dated an underling.
This may constitute an important fringe benefit for men who work as managers in companies that employ a lot of young women in entry-level positions.
I mean, come on. When middle-aged business dude sees an attractive young woman asking for her instructions, he definitely wants to get her into an entry-level position.
> 13 percent of bosses boosted the careers of women who > dated them! Again, not necessarily.
> AND YOUR POINT IS?????? That women are evil temptresses corrupting the morals of men wherever they go. Got to get me some of THAT!
> These men/bosses want to be thought of as nice, moral creatures, but they'll settle for making obscene amounts of money
> keep in mind that they are stealing opportunity and survival resources > from less-attractive women, though none of the males I meet seem to > realize that less-attractive women also count as women Do they?
> Coming from someone who turned down a Caddy and an appartment that one > "boss" wanted to set up for me in return for.............. WHO THE HELL > KNOWS WHAT? Presumably the boss knows.
> and that was at 20 years old! Thank God for my moral > upbringing!!!! You needed your moral upbringing to stop you?
Did you feel seriously tempted?
Was the boss hot or something?
How often does moral upbringing stop anyone from doing what they really want to do?
Lost Lurker - 15 Feb 2006 15:24 GMT > How often does moral upbringing stop anyone from doing what > they really want to do? I'll <wave> & say "me".
and then I'll shut up. ;-)
(even tho, I truly believe there are quite a few people _here_ who could say the same.)
LL
who also cut the cross post.
ls - 14 Feb 2006 22:43 GMT > New study out: What study? Cite please.
> 50 percent of women have dated co-workers > 21 percent of women have dated their boss [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > These women want to be thought of as nice, moral creatures, but keep in mind > that they are stealing opportunity and survival resources from You aren't stealing when someone gives you something. What about the men who give greater opportunity to attractive women (whether they sleep with them or not)? What does that make them?
> less-attractive women, though none of the male feminists I meet seem to > realize that less-attractive women also count as women. Odious - 15 Feb 2006 01:38 GMT > New study out: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > No wonder women get so angry when men accuse them of using sexuality to > get ahead at work. The truth -- especially that one -- hurts. Ray just showed us all how his remedial math skills truly are.
His stats on their face disprove his claims...
According to these numbers, only 21% of women have even dated their boss. Meaning the overwhelming majority of women, 79% have never dated their boss.
Of that minority of 21% that have dated a boss, only 13% of that subset say it helped their careers... meaning that 87% of the women who did have a relationship with their boss, did not see any career advancement as a result.
So, what these stats show is that only about 3 percent of women are advancing their careers by f.cking their bosses.
Which seems to prove ray's office whores bullshit, is just that... bullshit.
> These women want to be thought of as nice, moral creatures, but keep in > mind that they are stealing opportunity and survival resources from > less-attractive women, though none of the male feminists I meet seem to > realize that less-attractive women also count as women. On the contrary your numbers prove that by a huge majority, women are not dating their bosses and those who do not have relations with their bosses are the ones seeing career advancement.
KenPisano - 15 Feb 2006 11:08 GMT >> New study out: >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >dating their bosses and those who do not have relations with their bosses >are the ones seeing career advancement. I would think that to be more accurate, the figures would have to be adjusted to remove from the equation all of the ugly women that no boss would ever want to f.ck to begin with, lol.
( I'm pretty sure they would be in the majority.)
Sean_MacCloud - 15 Feb 2006 19:14 GMT > >> New study out: > >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >dating their bosses and those who do not have relations with their bosses > >are the ones seeing career advancement.
> I would think that to be more accurate, the figures would have > to be adjusted to remove from the equation all of the ugly women that > no boss would ever want to f.ck to begin with, lol. > > ( I'm pretty sure they would be in the majority.) That's nicely done there Ken.
I was going to say as contest to this particular spin, `deys engaging in, that Ray didn't post '"study confirms all" [females] are whores at work'.
===== The point of Ray Gordon's post is pussy wants it both ways as usual.
Profem will use sophistry and demagoguery to dismiss any such point. (And the western right will not fight back, instead, at best, blaming the rain for being wet [blaming profem and leftists] rather than rebuilding the house leakproof [stopping democracy-etc systems].)
Whether the pro fem culture, and its trickle down toadies, agrees with either of those assessments or not is irrelevant.
ls - 15 Feb 2006 19:58 GMT http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/Careers/02/15/cb.flirt.at.work/index.html
Of the 1,121 men who responded, 92 percent of male managers admitted they've been attracted to female co-workers, and 52 percent of the 1,451 women polled said the same about male co-workers.
82 percent of the female poll respondents also reported feeling "creeped out" by an older male colleague's attempts at flirting.
goldielocks - 15 Feb 2006 22:26 GMT > http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/Careers/02/15/cb.flirt.at.work/index.html > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 82 percent of the female poll respondents also reported feeling > "creeped out" by an older male colleague's attempts at flirting. I read the article you so kindly posted and I didn't see the word "whore" in it once! So I am mystified. How does any of this make women who have relationships with men at work "whores"?
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John Smith - 22 Feb 2006 05:47 GMT > 82 percent of the female poll respondents also reported feeling > "creeped out" by an older male colleague's attempts at flirting. Then they should go back to the empty kitchens ;-)
wickedways - 27 Feb 2006 04:55 GMT > "ls" <lsends@excite.com> wrote in message > news:1140033520.109947.293360@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> 82 percent of the female poll respondents also reported feeling >> "creeped out" by an older male colleague's attempts at flirting. > oh no, I wonder if younger guys are creeped out by my uninhibited behavior! well, what the hell.....let 'em squirm.
> Then they should go back to the empty kitchens ;-) > >
wickedways - 27 Feb 2006 19:32 GMT > > > oh no, I wonder if younger guys are creeped out by my uninhibited > behavior! well, what the hell.....let 'em squirm. > > > Then they should go back to the empty kitchens ;-)
my kitchen's empty too, except for the dirty dishes....
> > > > >
Sean_MacCloud - 15 Feb 2006 21:20 GMT Sean_MacCloud <sean_macloud@[you-is-smart]yahoo.com> wrote in message <a%KIf.421$2m3.130@fe10.lga>...
> Vain shim with doddering nail and unnatural back-hole thirsts for > non-functional hard salami for demoniac johnson jerking. Mail me at > <sean_macloud@[you-is-smart]yahoo.com> cathryn - 15 Feb 2006 14:57 GMT > > New study out: > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > dating their bosses and those who do not have relations with their bosses > are the ones seeing career advancement. I like you Odious! I was going to reply with just that *flaw* in Ray's logic but... *yawn* well, I decided to mow the lawn instead. But I'm glad you did, your point is well stated. In fact, I couldn't have said it better myself!
cheers Cathryn
John Smith - 16 Feb 2006 03:15 GMT Woman use sexuality in every walk of life. It is to the point that most women are not even aware of it. Because of sexuality issue, women have a distinct advantage in a male dominated work environment. Guys will always help a woman over a guy.
However, this doesn't work when women work with other women. This is why most women hate working for other women.
> New study out: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > less-attractive women, though none of the male feminists I meet seem to > realize that less-attractive women also count as women. Turtoni - 16 Feb 2006 07:36 GMT Once you start posting for a living it aint fun anymore.
goldielocks - 16 Feb 2006 13:59 GMT > John Smith wrote: > Woman use sexuality in every walk of life. It is to the point that most > women are not even aware of it. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the sexual dynamic is part of life? Your statement connotes blame, blame aimed at women in particular.
And that begs the question: Why do you feel the need to blame women for something that is really part of a male-female interactive dynamic?
> Because of sexuality issue, women have a > distinct advantage in a male dominated work environment. And you see no disadvantages to being a female in a male-dominated profession? Can you not imagine a scenario in which a woman in an male-dominated profession is the object of frequent sexual harrassment? Do you think unwanted sexual harrassment is pleasant?
> Guys will always > help a woman over a guy. Yes and no. I don't think you can say "always".
> However, this doesn't work when women work with other women. This is why > most women hate working for other women. And you have verifiable evidence for that statement?
> > New study out: Was there a verifiable study? No citation ever was made. And therefore...
> > 50 percent of women have dated co-workers > > 21 percent of women have dated their boss > > 13 percent said dating boss helped career Without a verifiable study, these numbers are meaningless.
> > No wonder women get so angry when men accuse them of using sexuality to > > get ahead at work. The truth -- especially that one -- hurts. This sounds a lot like wishful thinking. There seems to be no cause for either anger or hurt since the statement is, apparently, questionable at best.
> > These women want to be thought of as nice, moral creatures, but keep in > > mind that they are stealing opportunity and survival resources from > > less-attractive women, To imply that all women should feel ashamed (as women) for the actions of a very, very few women, is, of course, absurd. Since when do we apply collective guilt to an entire gender for the actions of a few members of that gender?
Are all men guilty (as a gender) for the actions of Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin?
> > though none of the male feminists I meet seem to > > realize that less-attractive women also count as women. And exactly who is it that hires on the basis of looks? Is it not the employer? And if he or she hires people on the basis of looks - isn't he or she the guilty party?
Some people are simply blessed with good looks. That is a fact of life. I don't see why I should be compelled to walk around in a burkha because of another's bias or involuntary harmonal responses.
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Sean_MacCloud - 16 Feb 2006 15:47 GMT Who cares what you f.cking "think" about anything?
> > John Smith wrote: > > Woman use sexuality in every walk of life. It is to the point that most [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > */* Sean_MacCloud - 16 Feb 2006 15:44 GMT Sean_MacCloud <sean_macloud@[you-is-smart]yahoo.com> wrote in message <f21Jf.5$ds2.3@fe10.lga>...
> Flagrant heterosexual with gargantuan tuna torpedo and smooth bung > hole yearns for perished cream spritzer for venal meat squashing. Mail > me at <sean_macloud@[you-is-smart]yahoo.com> scruby - 16 Feb 2006 22:53 GMT > Are all men guilty (as a gender) for the actions of Adolf Hitler http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf-lovers/msg/84426456ad1724f2
noon_union@yahoo.com - 17 Feb 2006 02:46 GMT > > Are all men guilty (as a gender) for the actions of Adolf Hitler > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf-lovers/msg/84426456ad1724f2 Nooo. They are guilty because of Adam's original lie.
John Smith - 17 Feb 2006 22:35 GMT >> John Smith wrote: >> Woman use sexuality in every walk of life. It is to the point that most [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > life? Your statement connotes blame, blame aimed at women in > particular. But if I say that, then it would mean that men also use sexual dynamics to get an unfair advantage with women. However, men don't do that. A woman (especially an attractive one) has an incredible advantage in a male dominated work environment. ABC did a piece on this which showed the advantages pretty women have over others.
> And that begs the question: Why do you feel the need to blame women for > something that is really part of a male-female interactive dynamic? I am sorry, I don't mean to blame all women, but it seems a woman doesn't think that there is anything wrong with using her sexuality to gain advantages from a man. In a man's world, such tactics are considered subversive and a self-respecting man will always make sure to play fair. Our rules of engagement dictate this much.
>> Because of sexuality issue, women have a >> distinct advantage in a male dominated work environment. > > And you see no disadvantages to being a female in a male-dominated > profession? Can you not imagine a scenario in which a woman in an > male-dominated profession is the object of frequent sexual harrassment? This is most unfortunate when it happens. No body should be denied their dignity. However, it is too easy for a women to accuse a man of sexual harasment. Also, women think they have a right to just degrade men at work, but that is not right either. I work in a male dominated industry and my company goes out of its way to hire women, but majority of these women are very difficult to work with. They have a chip on their shoulder about all kinds of stuff. Most men walk on eggshells around them. Now mind you, my company has a very strict policy on sexual harassment so it rarely ever happens if ever.
> Do you think unwanted sexual harrassment is pleasant? I don't think so. But harasment of any kind is wrong. Don't you agree? Why should we limit our princples to specialized instances. Why not agree that harasment is wrong. Period. I see women at my work harassing men openly and mercilessly.
>> Guys will always >> help a woman over a guy. > > Yes and no. I don't think you can say "always". Ok, how about "most of the time" instead of "always."
>> However, this doesn't work when women work with other women. This is why >> most women hate working for other women. > > And you have verifiable evidence for that statement? No, I don't. My evidence is anecdotal at best. And it is as follows. I have never met a woman who told me she liked working for a woman. This includes women at work and outside of my work. So I conjecture, that it is because women have a "sexual" advantage with men, they don't like working for women.
>> > New study out: > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > */* goldielocks - 17 Feb 2006 23:44 GMT > >> John Smith wrote: > >> Woman use sexuality in every walk of life. It is to the point that most [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > women at work and outside of my work. So I conjecture, that it is because > women have a "sexual" advantage with men, they don't like working for women. I am sorry but there are men who use sex to get ahead in the business world too. Perhaps not to the same extent, but it does happen. And since we are speaking anecdotally, I was sexually harrassed so badly in one job that I was compelled to resign. And it wasn't a minor set of incidents of an ambiguous nature either.
In order to fight it I would have had to hire a lawyer and take the employer to court. I negotiated a sterling recommendation from them and just left. I do not doubt that there are women who use sex to get ahead. But to impune the majority of employed women as guilty of sexual manipulation is just wrong. And I know for a fact that there are men who will feel sexually "manipulated" if you so much as deign to have a casual conversation with them.
It seems to me that some men just need to take ownership of their own lust and get over it! Have you any idea how humiliating it is to have people believe that you were hired because of your looks? Even when you know in your heart it isn't true, you are still stigmatized.
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ls - 17 Feb 2006 23:46 GMT > >> John Smith wrote: > >> Woman use sexuality in every walk of life. It is to the point that most [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > subversive and a self-respecting man will always make sure to play fair. Our > rules of engagement dictate this much. But, if men always made sure to play fair then they would not give these pretty women the advantage. Women are "given" these advantages by men, right? Sure, there are women out there who don't think there is anything wrong with using their sexuality to gain advangates. But, those men who "give" them the advantages obviously don't see anything wrong with it either. Men's "rules of engagement dictate" that you play fair? Then why do men let women get away with all of this? It's a double standard. Men expect men to play fair but men don't expect women to. That's part of the problem.
> >> Because of sexuality issue, women have a > >> distinct advantage in a male dominated work environment. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > women at work and outside of my work. So I conjecture, that it is because > women have a "sexual" advantage with men, they don't like working for women. In my 16 years of work experience I've worked for both men and women. I'm working for a woman now, and like her a lot. Either man or women there have been some I liked and some I didn't like working for. It didn't have anything to do with their sex.
> >> > New study out: > > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > > > */* scruby - 18 Feb 2006 05:08 GMT > But, if men always made sure to play fair then they would not give > these pretty women the advantage. Women are "given" these advantages [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > expect men to play fair but men don't expect women to. That's part of > the problem. Alpha males are the first class citizens, women are second class citizens, and wimpy men are down there in last place.
Women see strong, powerful men who have advantages over themselves in virtually every area of life. The problem with soc.men whiners is that they equate the powerful men of this world as being in the same class of people as themselves. So, when they start whining about how women have all the advantages over men, women look at their model of the world, and are shaking with rage because their personal experience invalidates this claim.
By the same token, there are women who equate the strong and powerful men as being representative of all men. They think that being born with a penis automatically grants him a privilege to be a part of some secret club called the patriarchy. Men, like the picked on, wimpy, beaten-down into submission guys in soc.men look at their model of the world, and are shaking with rage because their personal experience invalidates that claim.
These "rules" aren't set by society. It's a rule of biological determinism, and nothing short of replacing all humans with machines will change it.
John Smith - 18 Feb 2006 06:09 GMT > These "rules" aren't set by society. It's a rule of biological > determinism, and nothing short of replacing all humans with machines > will change it. Then women should go easy on men and not make men pay for the biological differences. It is not my fault that only a woman can have a baby.
bryan@wasdrunk.com - 18 Feb 2006 08:55 GMT > > These "rules" aren't set by society. It's a rule of biological > > determinism, and nothing short of replacing all humans with machines > > will change it. > > Then women should go easy on men and not make men pay for the biological > differences. It is not my fault that only a woman can have a baby. You are a man in competition with other men, and those other men you are competing against aren't the gays, and bitter misogynists of soc.men. The men you are competing against are the men women love to f.ck, the ones they call "real men."
Now, you and I both know that most of these "real men" are utterly full of sh.t. So, how long is it going to take you to smarten up and get with the program?
Turtoni - 18 Feb 2006 06:35 GMT > scruby smote:
> Alpha males are the first class citizens, At the all you can eat scrubies world buff-et.
> women are second class citizens, Condemed into carrying the alpha baggage down a runway of stories.
> and wimpy men are down there in last place. Defined and ruined by their very own placement?
> These "rules" aren't set by society. It's a rule of biological > determinism, and nothing short of replacing all humans with > machines will change it. Machines, like ants, are cold, soulless, slaves to a conditioning.
John Smith - 18 Feb 2006 06:08 GMT >> >> John Smith wrote: >> >> Woman use sexuality in every walk of life. It is to the point that [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > these pretty women the advantage. Women are "given" these advantages > by men, right? Good point! Yes, men act stupid too.
> Sure, there are women out there who don't think there is anything wrong > with using their sexuality to gain advangates. But, those men who > "give" them the advantages obviously don't see anything wrong with it > either. Because men are easily duped. They are hardwired to respond to sexuality. It is unfair to say that a woman can be "sexual" at work and that a man (that she doesn't want to) must not notice her. Don't you think women share the blame too? Yet, the onus is on men to control themselves. This is wrong.
> Men's "rules of engagement dictate" that you play fair? Then why do > men let women get away with all of this? It's a double standard. Men > expect men to play fair but men don't expect women to. That's part of > the problem. These rules are typically observed when dealing with other men. I guess, some men buy into treating women special. However, regardless, the men who are not party to this little "sexual" game are the ones who are at a severe disadvantage.
>> >> Because of sexuality issue, women have a >> >> distinct advantage in a male dominated work environment. [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > there have been some I liked and some I didn't like working for. It > didn't have anything to do with their sex. That's good. You are the first woman to tell me that you actually enjoyed working for a woman. I am happy for you. The point I am making is that not only men should treat women fairly, but also women should also treat men fairly. I see an awareness campaign about men treating women fairly, but I don't see women any such thing for women to treat men fairly.
Women form these cliques that no man can penetrate.
>> >> > New study out: >> > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >> > >> > */* goldielocks - 18 Feb 2006 14:48 GMT > >> >> John Smith wrote: > >> >> Woman use sexuality in every walk of life. It is to the point that [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Because men are easily duped. They are hardwired to respond to sexuality. And women aren't? That's rather naive.
> It > is unfair to say that a woman can be "sexual" at work and that a man (that > she doesn't want to) must not notice her. Don't you think women share the > blame too? Why do you feel the need to assign "blame"? It's like you're saying that men are one dimensional weaklings who cannot control themselves...that they are ruled by their penis. And just because one feels an attraction doesn't mean they have to act on it.
> Yet, the onus is on men to control themselves. This is wrong. The onus of self-control in the workplace is one everyone.
> > Men's "rules of engagement dictate" that you play fair? Then why do > > men let women get away with all of this? It's a double standard. Men [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > are not party to this little "sexual" game are the ones who are at a severe > disadvantage. Are you *imagining* a game that you feel you are not part of?
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> > In my 16 years of work experience I've worked for both men and women. > > I'm working for a woman now, and like her a lot. Either man or women > > there have been some I liked and some I didn't like working for. It > > didn't have anything to do with their sex. I had a very bad experience when I was employed in a male-dominated workplace. Since then, I have worked in one other place, with both men and women, and it is a very cool environment. It's a place where people seem to know the boundaries.
> That's good. You are the first woman to tell me that you actually enjoyed > working for a woman. I am happy for you. The point I am making is that not > only men should treat women fairly, but also women should also treat men > fairly. Of course. That's merely being professional. My direct superior is a man and we have a good working relationship. But I know others in this company who have women supervisors and they like them too. So I don't *see* a gender issue there.
> I see an awareness campaign about men treating women fairly, but I > don't see women any such thing for women to treat men fairly. I think most employed women who do treat men fairly. I think I do! But I also think that there is always going to be some sexual tension in any coed environment. It's something that has to be 'managed' like everything else. And management is the key: Personal management; taking ownership of one's emotions and attractions and not allowing those to get in the way of one's professional judgment.
> Women form these cliques that no man can penetrate. Women and men both form tight little cliques! Where have you been?
One shouldn't have unrealistic expectations of people. There are always going to be office flirtations and attractions and, well, *issues* within any place of employment. And occasionally, boundaries will be either consciously or unconsciously crossed. It's just part of life.
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John Smith - 18 Feb 2006 18:41 GMT >> >> >> John Smith wrote: >> >> >> Woman use sexuality in every walk of life. It is to the point that [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > And women aren't? That's rather naive. The point is, women don't appear to think anything wrong with using "sexuality" at work. I personally have not seen men do it. If men were to do it, they would be wrong too.
And look at the result. People are so afraid to pursue a relationship at work, that they will let a good opportunity pass. The fact remains, after college, you spend more time at work than anywhere else. You interect more with people at work than people anywhere else.
>> It >> is unfair to say that a woman can be "sexual" at work and that a man [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > themselves...that they are ruled by their penis. And just because one > feels an attraction doesn't mean they have to act on it. Good point, but here is the reason. Women are conditioned to bring out there sexuality. E.g. Women put makeup on, and the purpose of makeup is to portray a woman in a hightened sexual state (red lips, blushed cheeks, clear skin ) etc etc. This is just one example. Men don't do any such thing. If a man were to put on a toupe, he is accused of false advertising and is shunned by all.
>> Yet, the onus is on men to control themselves. This is wrong. > > The onus of self-control in the workplace is one everyone. Agreed, but I don't see any campaign to ask women to control themselves at work. I only see such campaigns directed towards men.
>> > Men's "rules of engagement dictate" that you play fair? Then why do >> > men let women get away with all of this? It's a double standard. Men [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Are you *imagining* a game that you feel you are not part of? Hahahahaha. No. I am just reporting my observations and I don't have anything against you.
> [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and women, and it is a very cool environment. It's a place where people > seem to know the boundaries. That's good. I am happy for you.
>> That's good. You are the first woman to tell me that you actually enjoyed >> working for a woman. I am happy for you. The point I am making is that [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Women and men both form tight little cliques! Where have you been? Men are constantly being told that they cannot form cliques, but women are encouraged to form cliques.
> One shouldn't have unrealistic expectations of people. There are always > going to be office flirtations and attractions and, well, *issues* > within any place of employment. And occasionally, boundaries will be > either consciously or unconsciously crossed. It's just part of life. Good. So why make it a "battle of the sexes" at work. We have enough of that elsewhere.
> */* Krus T. Olfard - 19 Feb 2006 20:57 GMT "John Smith" <john_smith271@microsoft.com> wrote in news:gTJJf.362 $kt2.102@fed1read02:
> The point is, women don't appear to think anything wrong with using > "sexuality" at work. While you and ray gordon think that this is universal I have not noticed it. Perhaps you two see something that is not really there because you feel that it has to be there.
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mpitc2000@comcast.net - 19 Feb 2006 03:43 GMT The onus of self-control in the workplace is one everyone
Im with goldielocks on this one. Think about it. Before women had equal education and employment opportunities with men. How many bosses went after their secretaries? Way back when...there was no where to go anyway....except for the Holiday bonus....lol...
No, when you think about it ....not really funny. Now with (they say) equal pay and educational opportunities for women (ahemmm...still lower then men) there are many more female bosses for the men to flirt with and try to get ahead!!! I think those statistics, cited in those studies..... will only take a few years to change..... :) and the men will still be bitching about whores at work. Women just can't win...lol...or can we???? ;) Well, I think it's bettter just to keep men guessing until the end of time!
none - 22 Feb 2006 23:46 GMT You are totally wrong.
Women have had employment since the beginning of recorded history. Just look at old photographs of hospitals, factories, etc, or drawings, or written accounts, and they are filled with stories of women holding jobs, owning businesses, etc.
The equal pay discrepency is a myth.
A few years ago, the IRS did a study where they took all the tax forms and found that women earned 73% of what men earned. This study was an average of all men and all women. It did not account for women working less hours per day, less hours per week, taking more part time jobs, taking jobs in low paying fields, taking more days off, and taking more vacations. When you factor in the number of hours worked, the type of job, and experience, men and women make within 3% of each other, and YES in many cases women are making 3% more than men.
The belief that there isn't equal pay is a myth. Go read the original IRS study for yourself. You will see it says nothing about hours worked or doing the same work. That was added by delusional feminists (of which you have become).
Women always had equal educational opportunities. They did NOT have equal motivation. They are taught (as I am sure you were too) that the path to happiness is to marry a rich man, not to get a job. Just because women today want to go to college doesn't mean women of yesterday wanted too, and you can't place today's values on yesterday's.
goldielocks - 27 Feb 2006 19:41 GMT > You are totally wrong.
> Women always had equal educational opportunities. They did NOT have > equal motivation. That is simply not true.
> They are taught (as I am sure you were too) that the > path to happiness is to marry a rich man, not to get a job. Just > because women today want to go to college doesn't mean women of > yesterday wanted too, and you can't place today's values on yesterday's. And how do you know that they did not wish to go to a university? Have you first-hand knowledge of the asperations of young women from several decades ago? A century ago? I don't think so.
And can you possibly explain how you know what I, or any other young woman was taught in school regarding marriage, happiness, and wealth? */*
Krus T. Olfard - 19 Feb 2006 20:55 GMT >> Yet, the onus is on men to control themselves. This is wrong. > > The onus of self-control in the workplace is one everyone. You may not like it, John, but this is correct. Learn to control yourself - stop acting like a 2-year-old.
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KenPisano - 18 Feb 2006 16:50 GMT >That's good. You are the first woman to tell me that you actually enjoyed >working for a woman. I am happy for you. The point I am making is that not [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Women form these cliques that no man can penetrate. What . . . the women or the cliques?
John Smith - 18 Feb 2006 18:42 GMT >>That's good. You are the first woman to tell me that you actually enjoyed >>working for a woman. I am happy for you. The point I am making is that not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > What . . . the women or the cliques? Hhahahaha. I meant the cliques.
John Riggs - 18 Feb 2006 01:00 GMT <Cross-Posting snipped>
You obviously have no clue of the sexual nature of men and women. We are just flip-sides of the same coin, and our sexuality is pretty much the same for both sexes. You only perceive what you believe to be the truth, and you are sadly missing a really cool side of the human condition.
>>> John Smith wrote: >>> Woman use sexuality in every walk of life. It is to the point that most [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] >> >> */* John Smith - 18 Feb 2006 06:11 GMT > <Cross-Posting snipped> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You only perceive what you believe to be the truth, and you are sadly > missing a really cool side of the human condition. Yes, I need to learn more. I will be the first one to admit that, but to say that men and women are the same in all aspects is wrong. Women and men behave very differently at work and in courts.
>>>> John Smith wrote: >>>> Woman use sexuality in every walk of life. It is to the point that most [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] >>> >>> */* HC - 18 Feb 2006 15:27 GMT > New study out: > > 50 percent of women have dated co-workers 100 percent of newsloons don't sleep.
Hello 5:24 AM.
bb - 18 Feb 2006 22:15 GMT >50 percent of women have dated co-workers >21 percent of women have dated their boss >13 percent said dating boss helped career Wow, certainly looks like men at whores at work too!
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