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yoyoyrral@gmail.com - 19 Jul 2007 06:42 GMT
Anyone going thru a divorce that wants to end it all? Please dont tell
me about the ones left behind.I am crumbling under the weight of it
all. just cant focus on anything. go to sleep at night and hope I
never wake up-every night. I know i cant be alone
Daisy - 19 Jul 2007 11:12 GMT
> Anyone going thru a divorce that wants to end it all? Please dont tell
> me about the ones left behind.I am crumbling under the weight of it
> all. just cant focus on anything. go to sleep at night and hope I
> never wake up-every night. I know i cant be alone

One simple question, do you have children?

Daisy
Rog' - 19 Jul 2007 14:17 GMT
>> Anyone going thru a divorce that wants to end it all? Please
>> dont tell me about the ones left behind.I am crumbling under
>> the weight of it all. just cant focus on anything. go to sleep at
>> night and hope I never wake up-every night. I know i cant
>> be alone.

BTDT, and many other times, I simply wanted to quit my job,
run away, and hide. What got me thru it, were these notions:

1st -- There is value in breathing.  No matter how bad it gets,
if you can still breathe, sooner or later, things will get better.

2nd -- Defeat at the hands of my ex stuck in my craw.  My ex
had stabbed me with with a wooden stake to the heart, but I
was not going to let it be the final word.  To "live well and
prosper" was my way of proving that she was the foolish one.

The best thing that I did for myself was to get into therapy, join
a support group, find a new hobby and make new friends. =R=
yoyoyrral@gmail.com - 19 Jul 2007 20:18 GMT
> > yoyoyr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Anyone going thru a divorce that wants to end it all? Please
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> The best thing that I did for myself was to get into therapy, join
> a support group, find a new hobby and make new friends. =R=

SOrry I am in therapy. I feel no better, the lexapro does not work too
well, hell my drive to want to kill myself is stronger. I do have kids
but my desire to die is greater than my desire to fight.
YooperBoyka - 19 Jul 2007 21:32 GMT
>> > yoyoyr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> Anyone going thru a divorce that wants to end it all? Please
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> well, hell my drive to want to kill myself is stronger. I do have kids
> but my desire to die is greater than my desire to fight.

How long has it been?
How old are your kids?

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t@home - 19 Jul 2007 23:53 GMT
Why are you so willing to hurt and destroy your kids?  Go right now to
an inpatient facility where you can be helped.  Suicide is the most
self-centered thing you can do.

On Jul 19, 3:18 pm, yoyoyr...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > yoyoyr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> Anyone going thru a divorce that wants to end it all? Please
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YooperBoyka - 20 Jul 2007 03:49 GMT
> Why are you so willing to hurt and destroy your kids?  Go right now to
> an inpatient facility where you can be helped.  Suicide is the most
> self-centered thing you can do.

Toni?
Now is not the time for head bashing.
Trust me.
You'll get your shot later.

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Bill in Co. - 24 Jul 2007 17:57 GMT
> Why are you so willing to hurt and destroy your kids?  Go right now to
> an inpatient facility where you can be helped.  Suicide is the most
> self-centered thing you can do.

But that's also being a bit judgemental.

> On Jul 19, 3:18 pm, yoyoyr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
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>> well, hell my drive to want to kill myself is stronger. I do have kids
>> but my desire to die is greater than my desire to fight.
GGGNH - 27 Jul 2007 02:26 GMT
> > Why are you so willing to hurt and destroy your kids?  Go right now to
> > an inpatient facility where you can be helped.  Suicide is the most
> > self-centered thing you can do.
>
> But that's also being a bit judgemental.

LOL

GGG

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rj - 21 Jul 2007 16:03 GMT
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>SOrry I am in therapy. I feel no better, the lexapro does not work too
>well, hell my drive to want to kill myself is stronger. I do have kids
>but my desire to die is greater than my desire to fight.

So... have you told your doctor and/or therapist this?  If not, then
do so asap.

rj
BP - 24 Jul 2007 17:35 GMT
>SOrry I am in therapy. I feel no better, the lexapro does not work too
>well, hell my drive to want to kill myself is stronger. I do have kids
>but my desire to die is greater than my desire to fight.

Then think about this: statistics show that if you commit suicide,
then your kids will be more likely to commit suicide later. You may
want to kill yourself, but do you really want to do that to your kids?

BP
Felicia_21 - 20 Jul 2007 14:45 GMT
On 19 juil, 01:42, yoyoyr...@gmail.com wrote:
> Anyone going thru a divorce that wants to end it all? Please dont tell
> me about the ones left behind.I am crumbling under the weight of it
> all. just cant focus on anything. go to sleep at night and hope I
> never wake up-every night. I know i cant be alone

Hello ,six years ago my husband mistress called me to tell me she had
been sleeping with him for the past 9 months.

I don't have to tell you the floor open under my feet,I had no idea.
After that one evening I was sitting on the side of my bed with a
bunch of pills

in front of me and I was ready to end it all. My computer was open and
to this day I still don't know why I enter the name "divorce" the
newsgroup section and end up here. I posted my story and said I what I
was thinking of doing. A bunch of very good peoples came to my
help,and told me to

keep hoping,not to do it,that better days are coming. That for now
just being alive was enough,that it will hurt a lot but there is good
times coming,and probably even better then what I though I had before.

Well there told the truth,we are six years after ,I can't be happier
made a ton of changes in my life ,bur mostly in myself. I decided that
I would love myself first and then would love someone else,that I
would never trust someone a 100%.Trust and love are two different
things.

Love is a gift,trust is earn.

TO resume it ,I am happy ,I have a great life I even started my own
small company and made it a success. You will grow from this,believe
me.

Turn this situation to your advantage,not against yourself. You will
let go ,you just need time. At first it's hard to go through the
day,then it get easier and easier .I know ,I know,it's very hard right
now ,don't loose hope ,don't let the other win .The best revenge is to
get on with your life and be happy . Big hug to you.:)

Elise

PS: sorry for the poor grammar ,I am not English.
Rog' - 20 Jul 2007 15:05 GMT
Excellent post.  Very well said.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Hello ,six years ago my husband mistress called me to tell me
> she had been sleeping with him for the past 9 months.
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> the other win .The best revenge is to get on with your life
> and be happy.  Big hug to you.:)

> PS: sorry for the poor grammar, I am not English.
findingmysmile - 21 Jul 2007 08:24 GMT
>Anyone going thru a divorce that wants to end it all? Please dont tell
>me about the ones left behind.I am crumbling under the weight of it
>all. just cant focus on anything. go to sleep at night and hope I
>never wake up-every night. I know i cant be alone
Listen, sweetie, I was where you are and recognized that, whether or not
anyone else understood,  ending it all was a logical and rational choice
under the current, painful circumstances...problem with that thinking is that
circumstances change, maybe not quickly enough but they do. When you are
crumbling, you do not have the ability to reach down inside yourself and find
those coping skills that are in there...Lexapro, prescribed by my regular
doctor, on its own didnt help me either...when a psychiatrist prescribed
Wellbutrin along with it, I still hurt, I still cried, I still was weighted
down, but I started finding I could cope a little better...my divorce has
been a high conflict battle with two kids caught in the middle... and they
need me to be a positive role model in their lives.  Your kids need you too...
and you need to be there for them, maybe one day at a time, but you need to
get the medicine and the help to get through this...of course you cant sleep
or focus, your body is chemically reacting to the stress and you cant
function like you could before... just like you need antibiotics when an
infection messes with your equilibrium, you need the right medicine to help
you restore the chemical equilibrium that the stress is altering. Go to the
doctor, a psychiatrist if you can as they seem to know better how to combine
the medications in the best way for you. And you will start to heal...the
divorce may still suck, your financial situation may be real tough, the
courts may render unfair and absurd decisions...things all around you will be
a mess, but there you will be in the middle of the chaos, intact, dealing
with it all one day at at time...welcome people into your life you never let
in before, accept help from others where you may never have before. Love and
support will begin to come from unexpected places. When you get down and feel
isolated and alone,  read inspirational quotes or listen to songs you
listened to as a teen that spoke to you, inspired you...   or just connect
online with someone who has been there...what they would say to me is that
they went through what I am going through, and now they are happy, better
than before..and though I could not feel that would ever happen for me, I
trusted that it was possible, even if I could not envision it.  If I could
look you in the eyes to show you the genuineness of my words, you would see.
So every day, give yourself one more day, and get medical care and support...
the bad things will still be there, but you will deal withthem...and then one
day you will find the good things starting to outnumber the bad things.  Be
strong!
GGGNH - 21 Jul 2007 14:42 GMT
> >Anyone going thru a divorce that wants to end it all? Please dont tell
> >me about the ones left behind.I am crumbling under the weight of it
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> day you will find the good things starting to outnumber the bad things.  Be
> strong!

findingmysmile,

Can you take a breath while typing your responses and use paragraphs,
instead of running your text together when you post? It'll make a much
easier read for the rest of the folks. I know some people here who skip
over a post like this because it is all one big text block.

GGG

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Rog' - 21 Jul 2007 15:39 GMT
> > yoyoyrral@gmail.com wrote: <snip>
> Can you take a breath while typing your responses and use
> paragraphs, instead of running your text together when you
> post? It'll make a much easier read for the rest of the folks.
> I know some people here who skip over a post like this
> because it is all one big text block.

It a shame that an otherwise helpful post is lost in an oblique
writing style.  "9.5" for effort, "0" for style.  =R=
Tumbleweed - 21 Jul 2007 20:45 GMT
After reading the long and short of it, the idea is to just give
yourself one more day. no one can ask more than that, not even someone who
is not having problems.
   Give yourself today, and when tomorrow comes around ... well ...
tomorrow will take care of itself, but when you wake up, give yourself one
more day.

>> >Anyone going thru a divorce that wants to end it all? Please dont tell
>> >me about the ones left behind.I am crumbling under the weight of it
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>
> GGG
BP - 24 Jul 2007 17:42 GMT
>    After reading the long and short of it, the idea is to just give
>yourself one more day. no one can ask more than that, not even someone who
>is not having problems.
>    Give yourself today, and when tomorrow comes around ... well ...
>tomorrow will take care of itself, but when you wake up, give yourself one
>more day.

Good suggestion.

Also, the OP has kids. Being a parent means a commitment to be there
for your kids. No matter how bad things are now, you know that someday
there will come a time when your kids need your help. If you have
killed yourself, you cannot be there for them. No matter how bad you
feel, you cannot abandon your children like this. You need to tough it
out and keep going, one day at a time. In the blackest days after my
wife left, this is what kept me going and kept the shotgun out of my
mouth. My kids needed me, and I was not going to fail them.

Keep going, one day at a time.

Get professional help to keep you going and fight the brain chemicals
that are telling you to quit.

BP
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 24 Jul 2007 22:41 GMT
The truest statement ever made was "and it came to pass". Nothing in
our lives comes to stay. The way you are feeling now will not last
forever. You will survive it, the sun will come up, things will
evolve, and there will be joy again. Change IS the constant, so the
black never stays forever, no matter how bleak something is in the
short term.

My grandmother was a suicide back in 1953. She was 46 years old and
was depressed over my grandfather's behaviour towards my father (a
long story, but suffice it to say, my grandfather was a sod). Her
death still reverberates - the shock waves echoed for half a century.
It almost destroyed my father and his brother. Her intent was focussed
on relieving her own pain, which she couldn't see past, and her action
brought agony down on so many people. Your life is never entirely your
own. It belongs in part to the people who love us and need us and want
us. Her husband may not have been among those, but she was needed and
wanted and loved by so many.

It was a complete and entire waste. The situation would not have
stayed the same forever, so the misery she was in was destined to be
transitory by its very nature, and there were many other options. She
threw away all the might have beens her future held. She missed the
weddings of her sons, the births of seven grandchildren, all the
holidays, the gatherings, the graduations, half a lifetime of joys. I
should have grown up knowing her, loving her, learning from her. She
should have danced at my wedding. And it pains me that a healthy
intelligent, creative woman couldn't foresee that so much that was
wonderful was waiting for her beyond her crummy cruel selfish husband,
who ended up as his own worse enemy (what goes around usually comes
around, and in his case, it did in spades).

You CAN be alone. A good relationship is the cherry on the cake, its
not the cake itself. There are good things about life, things to
savour and celebrate, and find happiness in, even if you are not with
the person you were with, or hoped to be with.

Get yourself to a doctor right now, and get some help. You need help
to get through this, and come out the other side (which I know you
will!).

Mary
Bill in Co. - 25 Jul 2007 00:19 GMT
> The truest statement ever made was "and it came to pass". Nothing in
> our lives comes to stay. The way you are feeling now will not last
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> stayed the same forever, so the misery she was in was destined to be
> transitory by its very nature, and there were many other options.

Maybe.    But how do you know that for a fact?    Maybe there really weren't
any, for her.    You're not her, I'm not her, and nobody else here is "her",
so who really knows, for sure?    (I've experienced a similar loss, too, but
one even closer than a grandmother.   And - I just don't know all the
answers here, but I do know I can see two sides to it now).
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 25 Jul 2007 02:53 GMT
You know Bill, I can see there being situations where riding the train
to the bitter end of the line might be a daunting option - i.e. what's
going to happen to you is inescapable, there is no possibility of a
hopeful outcome -  - like facing some really god forsaken illness or
disability, or a life in a jail etc.

However, I will never believe that a healthy able bodied, intelligent
woman of 46 in a short term crisis had no other option than suicide.

I will also never believe that being dumped is a reason for suicide.
Smacks of the romantic fiction that there is only "one" true love
destined by fate in each life. Just ain't true.

M
rj - 25 Jul 2007 08:37 GMT
>You know Bill, I can see there being situations where riding the train
>to the bitter end of the line might be a daunting option - i.e. what's
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>
>M

And in my better moments, I would carry this thought one step
further... that there is *always* a better option than suicide.  And I
say this after giving it some fairly serious thought.  I've watched
both of my parents die.  They died in a fairly typical fashion, of old
age and the complications of it... but they both died with equanimity.
Even in the hospice, they had a choice... and that choice was the
*manner* in which they faced and accepted the inevitable.

rj
Daisy - 25 Jul 2007 10:15 GMT
> You know Bill, I can see there being situations where riding the train
> to the bitter end of the line might be a daunting option - i.e. what's
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>
> M

I never thought of suicide when I divorced, however I did consider it
after the death of my son, I guess if you've never been in those shoes
you wouldn't really understand.

Daisy
saulgoode - 25 Jul 2007 11:53 GMT
> > You know Bill, I can see there being situations where riding the train
> > to the bitter end of the line might be a daunting option - i.e. what's
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>
> Daisy

I don't worry so much about the folks who "talk" about suicide -- it's the
ones who don't mention it that I'm concerned with.

I'd venture that nearly every person has at some point considered suicide. I
have, quite seriously when I was in college, had all the details picked out.
It's a normal -- okay, not ~normal~, so let's say ~common~ -- feeling to
want to end it all. Of course you want to end it all. The question "How do I
end it?"

For some folks, "ending it" means picking out a seat and riding it through
to the end, f.ck it.

For others, "ending it" means accepting your fate and trying to do it better
next time.

For others, for a few who just can't see any other option, who've lost their
sight, "ending it" is that tragic and terminal step of taking their own
life.

For me, when I was in that suicide mode, I found counseling the best option.
Took about 6mos to get me out of that mind-set.

And the counselor was the only person I mentioned it to.

- Saul
Daisy - 25 Jul 2007 15:36 GMT
>>>You know Bill, I can see there being situations where riding the train
>>>to the bitter end of the line might be a daunting option - i.e. what's
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>
>  - Saul

I actually attempted it once, glad I didn't succeed, but was watched
very carefully for a long time and I also went into counseling.  It was
a long road but I'm glad that I turned my mindset around when I did
because I'm very content right now :)

Daisy
rj - 25 Jul 2007 08:30 GMT
>The truest statement ever made was "and it came to pass". Nothing in
>our lives comes to stay. The way you are feeling now will not last
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
>Mary

Mary...

Though you post relatively rarely, you are *always* worth reading.

And this one is worth saving.  And framing.

rj
 
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