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Gosh Darnit Dude - 22 Feb 2006 21:10 GMT
x-Oregon State Foster Kid
$2.48 Civil Penalty

State of Oregon delivers 'bill' to x-Oregon state foster kid for
allegedly selling stock in an Internet company without the proper
license.

The local news agency that brought the story is "The Columbian" found
online at http://www.columbian.com/

Temporary article link is
http://www.columbian.com/business/businessNews/02222006news941.cfm

________________________________________________________

Previously: Vancouver resident Hans Wayne Schnauber formed Internet
company Zipee.com, which promised family-friendly Web surfing.

What's new: The state of Oregon alleges Schnauber owes $2.48 million
for selling interest in the company without a proper license.

What's next: Schnauber intends to fight the allegations.
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Local Web Entrepreneur in Hot Water

Oregon alleges shares of Zipee.com were sold without proper license
By JOHNATHAN NELSON
Columbian staff writer

Hans Wayne Schnauber, or the "Butterfly Guy" as he was once known,
allegedly owes the state of Oregon $2.48 million for selling shares of
a failed Internet company he formerly owned.

The "bill" arrived at Schnauber's Vancouver home Saturday, leaving the
46-year-old curious as to why Oregon, five years after revoking his
corporation's license, is now taking action.

It's another chapter in a peculiar trip that links Schnauber to the
late '90s heyday of the dot.com craze. He has alternately been
described as a champion of butterflies and a cybersquatter, someone who
holds hostage domain names that are similar to legitimate Web addresses
for large corporations.

Schnauber denies all allegations. He understood that he was licensed to
sell interest in his Internet company, Zipee.com, and said the
cybersquatter label is inaccurate because he never tried to sell domain
names back to companies.

"I'd give them their name back for free," he said.

The Oregon Department of Consumer and Business services sent Schnauber
an order that demands he and two business associates stop selling
securities in Oregon. The state also demands Schnauber pay $2.48
million in civil penalties.

The order alleges the Schnauber sold stock or "licenses" of Zipee.com
to 500 people, most of whom live in Oregon and Washington. Schnauber
told investors Zipee owned more than 2,000 Internet domain names that
took legitimate site names and replaced the "com" suffix with "org," a
designation normally used for nonprofit groups.

Schnauber told investors the companies would pay to get the names back,
the order said.

The practice of cybersquatting made headlines in the 1990s as
legitimate sounding domain names like whitehouse.com often took
unsuspecting Web surfers to sites filled with pornographic content.

Others registered domain names similar to a corporation's correct
address and offered to give up the site for exorbitant fees.

A 1999 federal law that linked cybersquatting with trademark
infringement and increased vigilance by companies have dramatically
reduced such aggressive takeovers.

Back when Schnauber was snapping up names like timewarner.org or
espn.org, the founder of the International Federation of Butterfly
Enthusiasts said he was merely trying to highlight how companies are
helping or hurting the plight of butterflies.

He also said he was demonstrating that such Internet locations are
valuable.

The Wall Street Journal and trade publications appeared amused with his
tactic. Time Warner executives saw little humor in the action and
demanded Schnauber release the names.

Schnauber denies he ever owned the names, just that he registered them.

He plans to fight Oregon and says if he loses, he doesn't have $2.48
million sitting in a bank.

"I'm a strange kind of person," Schnauber said. "I'm not weird, but my
brain works differently."
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x-Oregon State Foster Kid
$2.48 Civil Penalty
pohaku.kane@gmail.com - 22 Feb 2006 21:20 GMT
...A lie when he titled this, " x-Oregon State Foster Kid."

" Local Web entrepreneur in hot water

Wednesday, February 22, 2006
JONATHAN NELSON Columbian staff writer

Hans Wayne Schnauber, or the -"Butterfly Guy" as he was once known,
allegedly owes the state of Oregon $2.48 million for selling shares of
a failed Internet company he formerly owned. " ...

That's the real openner to the article.

With no mention in the entire article that he was ever a foster child.

So, you had a point? What might it be?

Kane

> x-Oregon State Foster Kid
> $2.48 Civil Penalty
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> x-Oregon State Foster Kid
> $2.48 Civil Penalty
pohaku.kane@gmail.com - 22 Feb 2006 21:20 GMT
...A lie when he titled this, " x-Oregon State Foster Kid."

" Local Web entrepreneur in hot water

Wednesday, February 22, 2006
JONATHAN NELSON Columbian staff writer

Hans Wayne Schnauber, or the -"Butterfly Guy" as he was once known,
allegedly owes the state of Oregon $2.48 million for selling shares of
a failed Internet company he formerly owned. " ...

That's the real openner to the article.

With no mention in the entire article that he was ever a foster child.

So, you had a point? What might it be?

Kane

> x-Oregon State Foster Kid
> $2.48 Civil Penalty
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> x-Oregon State Foster Kid
> $2.48 Civil Penalty
Gosh Darnit Dude - 22 Feb 2006 21:42 GMT
i was the foster kid and at the conclusion of this situation we will
see what the state of oregon had do do with the outcome. stay tuned.
those involved with childrens issues and the outcome of foster kids
that spent years in the system will reveal major flaws in the state
system beginning with the histories of these children.

A testimony of the case which includes the story of foster kids in
Oregon will open some eys.

stay tuned . . .
pohaku.kane@gmail.com - 22 Feb 2006 22:57 GMT
> i was the foster kid

If you were "the" foster kid being mentioned in the Subject field, then
can we also presume you posted the article because you are also "Hans
Wayne Schnauber?"

> and at the conclusion of this situation we will
> see what the state of oregon had do do with the outcome.

What outcome? That you go to jail?

> stay tuned.
> those involved with childrens issues and the outcome of foster kids
> that spent years in the system will reveal major flaws in the state
> system beginning with the histories of these children.

Is it possible you are going to plead that you were damaged by the
state foster care system and that's why you did what you did as an
adult?

Are you willing to provide me with full access to your case records
with the state, including any records provided by therapies,
councelors, and all materials pertaining to your parents and how they
treated you that might have had something to do with you being in state
custody and how you turned out as an adult?

I'm happy to oblige, if you wish it. But I must have first hand contact
with the records, not provided by you, but simply signed off for
permission for me to see them where they reside, in state files.

> A testimony of the case which includes the story of foster kids in
> Oregon will open some eys.

This case will have information about Oregon Foster kids? It's hard to
see from the openner that this will be likely, but if you say so.

> stay tuned . . .

Try not to keep us waiting long.

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Gosh Darnit Dude - 22 Feb 2006 23:54 GMT
> > i was the foster kid
>
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>
> 0:->

i will give any third party orgization or qualified individual total
access to all records if they guarantee to do the part that they say
they will play . . .

if interested send me an email with contact info. ie phone etc
pohaku.kane@gmail.com - 23 Feb 2006 02:23 GMT
> > > i was the foster kid
> >
> > If you were "the" foster kid being mentioned in the Subject field, then
> > can we also presume you posted the article because you are also "Hans
> > Wayne Schnauber?"

You did not answer my question.

> > > and at the conclusion of this situation we will
> > > see what the state of oregon had do do with the outcome.
> >
> > What outcome? That you go to jail?

You did not answer my question.

> > > stay tuned.
> > > those involved with childrens issues and the outcome of foster kids
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> > state foster care system and that's why you did what you did as an
> > adult?

Please answer this and the previous questions.

> > Are you willing to provide me with full access to your case records
> > with the state, including any records provided by therapies,
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>
> if interested send me an email with contact info. ie phone etc

"Any" third party organization? Are you sure you want to say that?

And what would constitute a "qualified" individual? And what records
are you referring to? The ones I mention, or some other?

Please list.

Thank you.

Kane
Gosh Darnit Dude - 23 Feb 2006 03:51 GMT
any would mean any organization that pertains to the subject matter

qualified individual would be attorney, md's, etc

records would mean all juvenile records from both the state of
california and oregon, as well as any records made available by the
dept of naval defense . . . .

by the way, the state of oregon system in the testimony will be in
regard to principles learned rather than some form or type of excuse to
do a crime . . . .

no more time however to answer your questions . . . . but i will give a
followup to this information on or before 8 mar 2006  . . . .

as stated before, if you are interested send me your contact info via
email.
pohaku.kane@gmail.com - 23 Feb 2006 04:21 GMT
> any would mean any organization that pertains to the subject matter
>
> qualified individual would be attorney, md's, etc

I am none of the above. Sorry.

> records would mean all juvenile records from both the state of
> california and oregon, as well as any records made available by the
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> as stated before, if you are interested send me your contact info via
> email.
 
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