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Family Forum / Parenting / Children's Health / July 2006Influenza Vaccination During Pregnancy
Influenza Vaccination During Pregnancy: A Critical Assessment of the Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices" by David M Ayoub, M.D., and F. Edward Yazbak, M.D. J Am Phys Surg 2006;11:41-47. http://www.jpands.org/vol11no2/ayoub.pdf The only thing I want to add is the Munoz study only followed the infants until 6 mos of age. As with congential minamata disease (Mercury Poisoning in utero)the babies did not start to show symptoms until 6 mos and older. With the most severe to profound children, they usually dont start to show symptoms until 6 mos. > Influenza Vaccination During Pregnancy: A Critical Assessment of the > Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices" > by David M Ayoub, M.D., and F. Edward Yazbak, M.D. J Am Phys Surg > 2006;11:41-47. > > http://www.jpands.org/vol11no2/ayoub.pdf JPANDS? Political science, not real or even alternative science. Mr Know-it-all Mark, I dont think you know your head from you arse! > Mr Know-it-all Mark, > > I dont think you know your head from you arse! Sorry, Donna, but you are quite wrong. I post with my head. Others post with their arse. As for JPANDS: http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/91/strange-bedfellows the blogger is deeply involved in Autism support. Influenza Vaccination During Pregnancy: A Critical Assessment of the Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices" by David M Ayoub, M.D., and F. Edward Yazbak, M.D. J Am Phys Surg 2006;11:41-47. http://www.jpands.org/vol11no2/ayoub.pdf The only thing I want to add is the Munoz study only followed the infants until 6 mos of age. As with congential minamata disease (Mercury Poisoning in utero)the babies did not start to show symptoms until 6 mos and older. With the most severe to profound children, they usually dont start to show symptoms until 6 mos. OEHHA (Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assesment) reports; "The scientific evidence that PMA and Thimerosal cause reproductive toxcitity is CLEAR and VOLUMINOUS. The evidence for its reproductive toxcitity includes severe mental retardation or malformations in human offspring who were poisoned when thier mothers were exposed to ethylmercury or thimerosal while pregnant." http://www.oehha.ca.gov/prop65/CRNR_notices/pdf_zip/hgbayer1.pdf MSDS for THIMEROSAL that is INJECTED into Pregnant women: Includes Fetal DEATH! http://www.nomercury.org/science/documents/MSDS-Amersham_12-03-02.pdf Why would any parent with no medical background with a disabled child tell another parent it is safe to inject thimerosal while they are pregnant? > MSDS for THIMEROSAL that is INJECTED into Pregnant women: Includes Fetal > DEATH! > > http://www.nomercury.org/science/documents/MSDS-Amersham_12-03-02.pdf Have you *actually read* this paper? Here's their reference and commentary: =========================================== Chmielnicka J, Brzeznicka E, Baranski B, Sitarek K (1985). The effect of ethyl mercury on fetal development and some essential metals levels in fetuses and pregnant female rats. Biol Trace Element Res 8:181-189. Chmielnicka et al. administered ethyl mercury ***chloride*** to pregnant rats at a dose of ***2.5 mg Hg/kg/day by gavage every other day*** from gestation day 6 - gestation day 20 and did a standard fetal exam on gestation day 21. Group size was 14 pregnancies for the ethyl mercury experiment. Ethyl mercury had a significant effect on body weight gain of dams, fetal crown rump length and fetal body weight (p<0.05, litter basis). =========================================== (*** emphases mine) 1. This is ethyl mercury CHLORIDE, not a derivative of thimerosal. Chemically, these are two completely different compounds and, thus, it has no relevance to thimerosal used in vaccines. 2. That's a HUGE dose, not to mention administration every other day? How relevant is that? 3. What is the route of gavage administration? It sure isn't intramuscular injection, despite your claim that it is. 4. This really has no relevance to thimerosal because it does not mimic the biochemical processing used by the body. Plus, throw in that chloride and you now have a different molecule. This is an extremely weak document, scientifically speaking. Your assertion that it has relevance either (1) reveals your ignorance about chemistry, or (2) suggestes that you are not being honest. Kevysmom wrote: > MSDS for THIMEROSAL that is INJECTED into Pregnant women: Includes Fetal > DEATH! > > http://www.nomercury.org/science/documents/MSDS-Amersham_12-03-02.pdf ****************** What I posted is from studies done in 1972, what you posted is NOT listed on this MSDS sheet and your study is from the 1980's! YOU CAN NOT PROVE THIMEROSAL IS SAFE ON A FETUS, BECAUSE IT ISNT! AND THERE IS NOT ONE STUDY SHOWING IT AS SAFE, JUST THE OPPOSITE, ITS BEEN PROVED THIMEROSAL KILLS A FETUS OR CAN LEAVE A FETUS WITH SEVERE MENTAL RETARDATION! > Kevysmom wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > What I posted is from studies done in 1972, what you posted is NOT listed > on this MSDS sheet and your study is from the 1980's! Umm, it was a link provided by you. > YOU CAN NOT PROVE THIMEROSAL IS SAFE ON A FETUS, BECAUSE IT ISNT! AND > THERE IS NOT ONE STUDY SHOWING IT AS SAFE, JUST THE OPPOSITE, ITS BEEN > PROVED THIMEROSAL KILLS A FETUS OR CAN LEAVE A FETUS WITH SEVERE MENTAL > RETARDATION! You provided three links. One (the MSDS) does not have the word "pregnant" in it at all, another discusses the fetal toxicity of ethyl mercury chloride, which is not a metabolic product of thimerosal, in huge doses not relevant to vaccinations, and a third paper which is a pseudoscientific publication. I searched in PubMed for this paper using the search parameter of "ayoub [au] AND yazbak [au]" and there is no such paper. That means "Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons" is not a peer-reviewed scientific publication, otherwise it would have shown up in PubMed. In other words, it has as much scientific credibility as "Mad Magazine". If you are going to make assertions then you should be prepared to substantiate those assertions using evidence-based data (i.e., peer-reviewed scientific publications). Until then, your assertions have no merit. >> Kevysmom wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > the search parameter of "ayoub [au] AND yazbak [au]" and there is no > such paper. Yazbak is cited on Whale.to. 'nuf said? That means "Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons" is > not a peer-reviewed scientific publication, otherwise it would have > shown up in PubMed. See http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/91/strange-bedfellows This article proves that JPANDS uses political science instead of real science or alternative science. In other words, it has as much scientific > credibility as "Mad Magazine". Hey! MAD gets it right more often than JPANDS. If you are going to make assertions then > you should be prepared to substantiate those assertions using > evidence-based data (i.e., peer-reviewed scientific publications). > Until then, your assertions have no merit. > MSDS for THIMEROSAL that is INJECTED into Pregnant women: Includes Fetal > DEATH! > > http://www.nomercury.org/science/documents/MSDS-Amersham_12-03-02.pdf Re: Influenza Vaccination During Pregnancy by "Vaccine-man" <ziggittes@yahoo.com> Jun 19, 2006 at 08:43 AM 1. This is ethyl mercury CHLORIDE, not a derivative of thimerosal. Chemically, these are two completely different compounds and, thus, it has no relevance to thimerosal used in vaccines. 1) reveals your ignorance about chemistry, or (2) suggestes that you are not being honest. ******************************** Ethylmercury is one of the metabolites of thiomersal, which is used as a preservative in some vaccines. For this application, the ethylmercury salt sodium ethylmercuric thiosalicylate is used. Thimerosal (C9H9HgNaO2S) is made from the combination of ethyl mercuric chloride, thiosalicylic acid, sodium hydroxide and ethanol. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylmercury http://www.answers.com/topic/ethylmercury http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Ethylmercury > Influenza Vaccination During Pregnancy: A Critical Assessment of the > Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices" > by David M Ayoub, M.D., and F. Edward Yazbak, M.D. J Am Phys Surg > 2006;11:41-47. This may be a "critical" assessment, but it is clearly a biased one, by doctors who are clueless. Jeff |
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