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Family Forum / Parenting / Children's Health / August 2009Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM
April 20, 2009 Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM By Jill Rubolino In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual, exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to provide the already affected children with proper medical care and treatment. In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal variation of childhood. This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site their references, how many parents ask them to explain that information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether. Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM. Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by environmental insult, including vaccines. The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause, not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly denied its medical or biochemical component except autism. No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred to as gross malpractice. The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again, hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet, they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux, relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore us, because they can. Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional. That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are rarely followed appropriately. Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction, mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness, all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children, we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired. It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one case, one precedent. Change will happen. The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent, mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol, mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies, information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on national television and tout that everything is okay. This political, money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off this planet in an upward direction, sir. I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you know, the placating one you get when you start to talk gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here right now, I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.” So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance. Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at www.autismismedical.com. http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c > April 20, 2009 > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that > person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM. I agree with you... on this point *only*. I too would like to see people stop treating it like a behaviour problem and start looking at the whole picture. Putting it in the DSM only adds to the problem of it being treated like a behaviour problem. For me, autism *is* a medical issue, which in turn aggravates me and causes coping behaviours to manifest. The hypersensitivity, hyperacidity, nausea, pain and such that I deal with every day is the major part of my discomfort. No one treated any of that when I was kid. They just thought it was a behaviour problem and trained those behaviours out. > Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if > not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by > environmental insult, including vaccines. This is where I stop agreeing with you. I am not seeing any convincing empirical evidence of the vaccine/autism connection anywhere. The only thing I see is the possible correlation because the symptoms seem to show up around the same time vaccines are given. No feasible proof has been provided *either way*. The ingredient that is supposed to cause autism was taken out of vaccines years ago. By that reason, we shouldn't be seeing a rise in new diagnoses in children, should we? Just because two things coincide, they are not always related. Even if the coincidence is strong. Have you heard of the Cum Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy, AKA: Correlation Fallacy? This is when people assume that because two events coincide, that one must be the cause of another. A timely example: Is being on welfare the cause of child poverty, or is it the current economic decline that sees an increase in both people needing to go on welfare *and* the occurrence of child poverty? Let's look at this issue: Do vaccines cause autism or is it just the fact that autism symptoms and vaccines seem to occur at the same time? What would be interesting to see is if autism would still noticeably manifest itself at 18 - 24 months if all vaccines were given when a child is 5 or 6 years old instead of between the ages of 18 - 24 months? I was diagnosed autistic 12 years before I received the MMR vaccine. (diagnosed autistic at 2 years, given MMR vaccine at 14 years) How many others would be the same if they got that vaccine at a later date? Are the medical problems that certain autistic people deal with due to problems that may occur naturally with autism or because of some sort of damage done by vaccines? Is there empirical proof out there for Environmental damage vs. Physical issues being a natural part of autism? There's still a lot of research that needs to be done before assumptions can continue to be made. Tell you what. Prove to me empirically, with many studies, that vaccines cause autism and I'll consider the notion. Until then, I'm not buying it. As far as I'm concerned, no one knows the true cause... or even the true treatment for that matter! Arak /|\ >>April 20, 2009 >> >>Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM >> >>By Jill Rubolino <snip> >>Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if >>not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by >>environmental insult, including vaccines. > > This is where I stop agreeing with you. I am not seeing any convincing > empirical evidence of the vaccine/autism connection anywhere. Dammit! Condors cause autism. We all know that! Ever since the condors came back from the brink of extinction, the incidence of autism in California has risen. As the condor population increases, so does the diagnosis of autism. > Have you heard of the Cum Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy, AKA: > Correlation Fallacy? The condors caused that too. ;) > > April 20, 2009 > [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > Arak /|\ I have to agree with you Arak, not that I mind doing so. My oldest had a staggered vaccination schedule because of illnesses she had at the times they normally are done. My youngest is also having a staggered vaccination schedule. My oldest did not have her MMR until right before she started kindergarten and she already had the same idiosyncrasies and motor skill issues she has now. People like having something to tag it on basically, I would compromise and be fine with it being out of the DSM but at the same time I'd love for the vaccine morons to shut up lol. There is more toxins in the air we breath then in half the vaccinations we get. I wish half the money for vaccine research went toward actual services for people with ASD's. Besides...we all know green jello causes Autism..sheesh hehehe. Hey is homosexuality still in the DSM? I found that hysterical when I did a research paper on OCD lol. On Apr 27, 6:59 pm, AmaranthQueen <BratSAmaranthQu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey is homosexuality still in the DSM? I found that hysterical when I > did a research paper on OCD lol. Re China and sex selective abortion: "From 1985 to 1989, for example, there were 108 boys born for every 100 girls. (The worldwide norm is about 105 boys to every 100 girls.) By 2000 to 2004, it was 124 boys for every 100 girls, before dropping slightly in 2005 to 120 boys for every 100 girls." http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/pomfretschina/2009/04/abortions_in _china_girls.html > Hey is homosexuality still in the DSM? I found that hysterical when I > did a research paper on OCD lol. No. It was taken out a few versions ago. Gareeth On Apr 27, 6:59 pm, AmaranthQueen <BratSAmaranthQu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > April 20, 2009 > [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] > Besides...we all know green jello causes Autism..sheesh > hehehe. Wrong, it is not green jello, but purple tapioca pudding. > Hey is homosexuality still in the DSM? I found that hysterical when I > did a research paper on OCD lol. >Besides...we all know green jello causes Autism..sheesh Green jello may cause autism in sheesh, but it can't be the cause in humans, since in Britain we don't have jello, but we do have autistics. (Unless of course green jello only causes American autism, and British, etc., autism(s) have different causes? - That would be an interesting thesis topic to replace all of those "suffering parent" studies - Does autism differ between countries or linguistic groups?) http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=vitamin-d-and-autism&print=true (caveat - not about the linguistic causes of autism :)  SignatureTerry >> Besides...we all know green jello causes Autism..sheesh > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=vitamin-d-and-autism&print=true > (caveat - not about the linguistic causes of autism :) Don't you have gelatin, a clear flavorless powder or sometimes it comes in thin clear sheets that you dissolve in hot water, then chill to solidify, as it's origin is french and it is used in a lot of french cooking. It's the process of extracting gelatin, pure protein, from animal bones by boiling. Jello is made by adding sweet flavorings of one sort or another, food coloring and during final preparation in the home nuts, fruit, crumbled cookies and gummy bears etc. are often added. In your neck of the woods it would be called a Trifle. Then again rendering animal bones to feed to livestock has been outlawed nearly everywhere, due to mad cow disease, but I guess it's still OK for human consumption. >Don't you have gelatin Yes, it's used in jelly (basically a sweetened and [usually fruit] flavoured dessert - not the stuff you spread on bread or toast). Only it's called jelly, not jello :) [Which IIRC is one of those genericised brand names? and since we don't have the brand, we don't use that name] >Jello is made by adding sweet flavorings of one sort or another, food >coloring and during final preparation in the home nuts, fruit, crumbled >cookies and gummy bears etc. are often added. In your neck of the woods >it would be called a Trifle. Over here a trifle is desert, usually with a layer of alcohol soaked cake at the bottom, layered with fruit, covered with jelly, and a layer custard on top - sometimes topped with more fruit, whipped cream, and decorative bits. E.g.; http://thefoody.com/pudding/sherrytrifle.html The equivalent of a gummy bear would be jelly babies; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelly_baby only we don't usually use them in trifle. SignatureTerry > Over here a trifle is desert, usually with a layer of alcohol soaked > cake at the bottom, layered with fruit, covered with jelly, and a > layer custard on top - sometimes topped with more fruit, whipped > cream, and decorative bits. E.g.; Mmmmmm...trifle! One of my faves! My mum makes it the old fashioned way: sponge cake soaked in Harvey's Bristol Cream at the bottom with fruit coctail jelly (she uses Jello here) in between, followed by a thick layer of Bird's English custard and topped off with whipped cream (mum whips heavy cream in the food processor) and maraschino cherries. Oh my God...it's heaven in a cut crystal bowl!! The cummy thing is, Mum usually only makes it at Christmas. :^p I've seen the trifles they make at restaurants here with chocolate pudding and whipped cream from the can, but it's just not the same as my mum's. Arak /|\ > > April 20, 2009 > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the whole picture. Putting it in the DSM only adds to the problem of > it being treated like a behaviour problem. I too agree with this point *only* If ASD's were a behavioral issue then behavior modification would not cause long term side effects like they do. Luckily for my son I did not learn of ABA or the like until recently, so he has not been subjected to this form of abuse / training. Also, people need to stop looking at Autism as something that is horrible. It only becomes horrible because people treat it like it is. Autism is a difference not a malady. Now this is not to say that the GI issues and stemming should be ignored. The root of what is causing these should be investigated an treated. Now for stemming, figuring out the stressors or stimuli that is causing the need for stemming should be adressed and reduced. Example: Prior to my son's diagnosis as ASD I learned to open the curtains in the front room gradually throughout the day instead of all at once in the morning. Thus minimizing my son's negative behavior and constant rocking from being over stimulated by the bright light. > For me, autism *is* a medical issue, which in turn aggravates me and > causes coping behaviours to manifest. The hypersensitivity, > hyperacidity, nausea, pain and such that I deal with every day is the > major part of my discomfort. No one treated any of that when I was > kid. They just thought it was a behaviour problem and trained those > behaviours out. I do not understand how any of these symptoms could be called behavioral issues. discomfort is discomfort. > > Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if > > not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by > > environmental insult, including vaccines. If the world would come to accept that people are different, then maybe they could get past ASD's as an ailment and only treat what is... GI, too much stress etc. My son's 'strange' behaviors greatly diminished once I stopped treating them as somthing that needed to go away. Me focusing on his 'strange' behaviors made him behave more 'strange'. > This is where I stop agreeing with you. I am not seeing any convincing > empirical evidence of the vaccine/autism connection anywhere. Me either. > The only thing I see is the possible correlation because the symptoms > seem to show up around the same time vaccines are given. No feasible [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Just because two things coincide, they are not always related. Even if > the coincidence is strong. I agree. And even if they could pin point a gentic / chromosomal, universal 'cause' of ASD's -with the negative stigma that seems to be the universal view point for most, would cause what? Abortions to prevent one from having a child with ASD????? Ludicris! > Have you heard of the Cum Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc fallacy, AKA: > Correlation Fallacy? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > child is 5 or 6 years old instead of between the ages of 18 - 24 > months? I agree that vaccines are not the safest, hence me not vaccinating my children, but at least in my son's case, I know 100% for sure, that vaccines did not cause his ASD. > I was diagnosed autistic 12 years before I received the MMR vaccine. > (diagnosed autistic at 2 years, given MMR vaccine at 14 years) How > many others would be the same if they got that vaccine at a later > date? My son too, was diagnosed at 2 years, is 10 years now and has never had any vaccines. To be in public school every year I am required to sign a personal waver to exempt him from being vaccinated. > Are the medical problems that certain autistic people deal with due to > problems that may occur naturally with autism or because of some sort > of damage done by vaccines? Very good question. Maybe the vaccines are the cause of the GI issues. My son has never had any GI issues and was never vaccinated. So Maybe... the vaccines don't cause ASD's but do cause GI issues.? > Is there empirical proof out there for Environmental damage vs. > Physical issues being a natural part of autism? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > vaccines cause autism and I'll consider the notion. Until then, I'm > not buying it. Me either. > As far as I'm concerned, no one knows the true cause... or even the > true treatment for that matter! If comedy were not amusing to NT's would a comedian be seen as someone with a disorer? Maybe ASD's are being viewed in the wrong light. Now I know there are more severe cases than My son's, but I also know that when I stopped thinking and behaving like he needed to be fixed, there were fewer behaviors to 'fix'. I don't know. I just think societies view point is all f-cked up when it comes to Autism. > Arak /|\ > My son too, was diagnosed at 2 years, is 10 years now and has never > had any vaccines. To be in public school every year I am required to > sign a personal waver to exempt him from being vaccinated. I have a friend with a 6 year old autistic daughter who had severe GI issues until she went on a GFCF diet. She had the GI issues from birth, which pretty much invalidates that hypothesis. While there are risks from vaccinating, there are even bigger risks from not vaccinating. Hope and pray that the vast majority of the parents of the people your children will encounter in life do not make the same decision as you did. Unfortunately, your children are in a cohort that is undervaccinated, which does put them at much greater risk for serious disease. >>Are the medical problems that certain autistic people deal with due to >>problems that may occur naturally with autism or because of some sort [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > issues. My son has never had any GI issues and was never vaccinated. > So Maybe... the vaccines don't cause ASD's but do cause GI issues.? Nope. The evidence does not support the hypothesis at all. > Also, people need to stop looking at Autism as something that is > horrible. It only becomes horrible because people treat it like it > is. Autism is a difference not a malady. I don't know that I totally believe that. I don't think it is horrible but my issues are much more serious than something I would describe as just being a difference. I mainly don't encounter people much so there is no one treating my autism as horrible and yet it's impact on my day to life in a negative way is pretty substantial. I think some middle ground between treating it like a terrible tragedy and dismissing it as simply differences is best. Gareeth >>Also, people need to stop looking at Autism as something that is >>horrible. It only becomes horrible because people treat it like it [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Gareeth It's not so much that it's treated as horrible as it is treated as repulsive. When it comes to the biggest problems I have caused directly by my autism, most folks just won't believe me. They prefer to see the results of my executive dysfunction as the results of moral failing than the results of disability. Where I need support the most, I get criticism instead. > > Also, people need to stop looking at Autism as something that is > > horrible. It only becomes horrible because people treat it like it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > being a difference. I mainly don't encounter people much so there is no one > treating my autism as horrible This totally disgusted me: http://www.10news.com/news/19306624/detail.html Those three shrews need something real bad. A spanking seems inadequate. and yet it's impact on my day to life in a > negative way is pretty substantial. I think some middle ground between > treating it like a terrible tragedy and dismissing it as simply differences > is best. > > Gareeth > Very good question. Maybe the vaccines are the cause of the GI > issues. My son has never had any GI issues and was never vaccinated. > So Maybe... the vaccines don't cause ASD's but do cause GI issues.? If that was the case, I shouldn't have GI issues either. I missed out on all of the vaccines at school, etc. until my teen years. I had GI problems from the time I was born. Long before I got any vaccines. > If comedy were not amusing to NT's would a comedian be seen as someone > with a disorer? Maybe ASD's are being viewed in the wrong light. Now > I know there are more severe cases than My son's, but I also know that > when I stopped thinking and behaving like he needed to be fixed, there > were fewer behaviors to 'fix'. I don't know. I just think societies > view point is all f-cked up when it comes to Autism. I've read a lot of stories about people who have found their autistic children much easier to deal with (and much happier!) since they stopped trying to "fix behaviour" or "change" them and started focusing on accepting and helping them work with their differences. I do agree that society's viewpoint is very messed up when it comes to autism. Even Down's Syndrome is to be celebrated while autism is to be eradicated. Why is that? What makes autism such a big darned problem compared to other conditions? I'm interested in getting more views on that. Arak /|\ >>Very good question. Maybe the vaccines are the cause of the GI >>issues. My son has never had any GI issues and was never vaccinated. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Arak /|\ It's just an opinion but I would put it down to the uncanny valley. People with Downs Syndrome look sufficiently different from the norm that others can see them as cute. Because autistics have no gross physical differences, our subtle differences, when noticed, make us repulsive to people. > > Very good question. Maybe the vaccines are the cause of the GI > > issues. My son has never had any GI issues and was never vaccinated. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > stopped trying to "fix behaviour" or "change" them and started > focusing on accepting and helping them work with their differences. Great point. It happened in my family. Once we accepted my AD/HD son, we moved on, and he is now a college graduate with a BFA and MFA and earning a hefty salary. > I do agree that society's viewpoint is very messed up when it comes to > autism. Even Down's Syndrome is to be celebrated while autism is to be > eradicated. > > Why is that? What makes autism such a big darned problem compared to > other conditions? There is an interesting discussion of this issue right here: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/04/disgusting.php What those three shrews have done is utterly despicable. I'll have more comments later. My younger son wants to go out for some food. > I'm interested in getting more views on that. > > Arak /|\ On Apr 30, 11:07 am, Arak <Arak.Thayl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 28, 2:55 pm, mindy <UsRc...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > stopped trying to "fix behaviour" or "change" them and started > focusing on accepting and helping them work with their differences. Great point. It happened in my family. Once we accepted my AD/HD son, we moved on, and he is now a college graduate with a BFA and MFA and earning a hefty salary. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/b47238df12888f43 Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories. At worst, outright lies. Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX) Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:59:31 GMT Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:59 pm Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution I have no children, Sistah Jan. As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah! AloysiousX Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX) Date: 06 Jan 2004 22:31:39 GMT Local: Tues, Jan 6 2004 6:31 pm Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution You know something, Sistah Ilena, I'm not Mark Probert, but it's pretty clear who the coward is. Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX) Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:57:50 GMT Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:57 pm Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution Sistah Jan, I'd never heard of you until you made your post in the breast implant group, much in the same way I'd never heard of Mark Probert until Sistah Ilena mentioned him. path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 107 X-Admin: n...@aol.com From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX) Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant Date: 06 Jan 2004 17:54:38 GMT References: <19faaec.0401060908.68a7...@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution Message-ID: 20040106125438.01826.00002...@mb-m18.aol.com > Subj: Is There Some Reason...> Date: 2/12/2004 2:18:07 PM Pacific Standard > Time> From: AloysiousX> To: JDrew63929>>> Is there some reason why you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > guess not.>>> As Salaam Aleikum!>>> Aloysious> > Mark Probert markprobert1...@hotmail.com AloysiousX http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.cerebral-palsy/msg/a150283b4507be81 Newsgroups: alt.support.cerebral-palsy From: "Mark Probert" <mark_probertREMOVEGARB...@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:21:41 -0400 Local: Mon, Aug 12 2002 2:21 pm Subject: Re: Part Time Job, Long Island......... *A*nswering the *N*eeds of *C*itizens with *H*andicaps through *O*ganized *R*ecreation. Their camp has a webiste: www.campanchor.org. My kids pic is there. http://www.campanchor.org/images/jrcamp13.jpg http://www.campanchor.org/images/jrcamp7.jpg The camp is wonderful, and they have a year round program, too, for kids and adults. WRT to the camp, there is a waiting list for volunteers and you must have been a volunteer to get a counsellors job. > I do agree that society's viewpoint is very messed up when it comes to > autism. Even Down's Syndrome is to be celebrated while autism is to be > eradicated. > > Why is that? What makes autism such a big darned problem compared to > other conditions? There is an interesting discussion of this issue right here: Oracnosenuttin. He also is a proven liar, like you. > On Apr 30, 11:07 am, Arak <Arak.Thayl...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories. At > worst, outright lies. Even when there has existed a germ of truth to what the malicious criminals cybersquatting in usenet forums "say", it's still a lie. George W. Bush told those who did his and Pappy B's dirty work that they would be taken care of in a speech which was nationally televised. Taking care of those who do the Bushites includes awarding bennies, degrees, and high paying jobs or government contracts to the children of those who did Pappy B and his sons dirty work. Pretending a son had ADHD created a pretext for Probert's cybersquatting in ASAD and conspiring with others to blackmail, torture/terrorize, and ultimately murder a multitude of innocent people for a dozen or more years. Any and all SSI/SSDI benefits, any and all degrees, and, any and all jobs or government contracts which Probert, Pablo, Eric S. Riddick, Deborah Bentley, Lying Lynda Cunningham, Sherry Pruitt, Leslie E. Packer, Joanne E. Cohen, Marcia Ferrin, Kimberly K Barnard, Nessa or any of the other 500 + co-conspirators, and/or, their children have been being adorned with are all "payments in kind" aka graft for their having conspired to blackmail, torture/ terrorize, and ultimately, murder a multitude of innocent americans. All the funding of the USG's various entitlement programs have been being diverted for decades to make "payments in kind" aka graft for the friends of Pappy B. If an American child with an actual disability is born to someone other then a friend of Pappy B's, that child is SOOL (sh.t out of luck) as the friends of Pappy B employed by the various government entities tasked with dispensing disability benefits make damn sure there's plenty of money for the friends of Pappy B by denying the claims of American children with ACTUAL disabilities. So it may well be true that the children of Probert and all the other animals who conspired to blackmail, torture/terrorize, and ultimately, murder a multitude of innocent americans are being adorned with all manner of government bennies, degrees, high paying jobs or lucrative government contracts; however, it's all 100% pure graft, rather then what Probert and the other animals cybersquatting on usenet would like everyone to believe such is. Thus, even when there exists some germ of truth to what Probert and usenet's other animals "say", it's still a big fat juice lie. > April 20, 2009 > [quoted text clipped - 147 lines] > > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-i... Since there's no such thing as a mental illness the DSM needs to be banned and it's authors IMPRISONED for perpetrating fraud on a massive scale. > April 20, 2009 > > Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM It is however a mental disorder. Which is what the DSM is for. Gareeth >>April 20, 2009 >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Gareeth It's actually a neurological disorder not a mental disorder. > > April 20, 2009 > > > Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM > > It is however a mental disorder. There's no such thing as a mental disorder. >Which is what the DSM is for. Liar, liar, pants on fire. The US Military commissioned members of the mental health related criminal cartels to publish the fabrication known as the DSM. The US Military has illegally, unlawfully and unconstitutionally insinuated itself into every aspect of the domestic affairs of American citizenry by virtue of the US Military's army of corrupt mental health workers engaging in political psychiatry wherein they protect the criminal arses of the psychopaths amongst us from cradle to the grave at the expense of everyone else. > There's no such thing as a mental disorder. Maybe you should consult your dictionary. >> Which is what the DSM is for. > > Liar, liar, pants on fire. Ah yes that's a mature level of debate. Gareeth > > There's no such thing as a mental disorder. > > Maybe you should consult your dictionary. I've never authored a dictionary. > >> Which is what the DSM is for. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Gareeth >>> There's no such thing as a mental disorder. >> >> Maybe you should consult your dictionary. > > I've never authored a dictionary. Yes. That's pretty clear. Gareeth > >>> There's no such thing as a mental disorder. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Yes. That's pretty clear. Says you. Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari say that the survival of all of mankind depends upon the schizoanalysis of schizogenics like you by people like me. > Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari say that the survival of all of > mankind depends upon the schizoanalysis of schizogenics like you by > people like me. Huh? > > >>> There's no such thing as a mental disorder. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > mankind depends upon the schizoanalysis of schizogenics like you by > people like me. > > > Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM > > > It is however a mental disorder. > > There's no such thing as a mental disorder. When I first read your post, I thought you were kidding. Now, I see that you're serious. There is such a thing as mental illness, etc. It affects many people every day. > >Which is what the DSM is for. > > Liar, liar, pants on fire. > > The US Military commissioned members of the mental health related > criminal cartels to publish the fabrication known as the DSM. [ignoring immature method of dispute] Where do you get your information from? The DSM is released by the American Psychiatric Association, which is a collective of academics. While it's true that clinical psychology really came to the forefront with shell-shocked soldiers returning from the war, the DSM is not commissioned by the military. Psychiatry is a branch of medicine more than it is a military tool. > The US Military has illegally, unlawfully and unconstitutionally > insinuated itself into every aspect of the domestic affairs of > American citizenry by virtue of the US Military's army of corrupt > mental health workers engaging in political psychiatry wherein they > protect the criminal arses of the psychopaths amongst us from cradle > to the grave at the expense of everyone else. I won't deny that psychaitry has its dark moments in history with regards to military or government involvement. Dr. Ewen Cameron in Canada is one example and Dr. Sargent in the UK is another example of how psychiatric procedures were used in studying mind control, etc. decades ago. I won't lie and say that there is not a psychiatrist on this planet who is not involved with the military's agenda somehow. That would be naive thinking. Certain individual doctors may have some ethical and moral deficiencies, but it's not a reason to paint the whole profession with the same brush. Have you had been hurt by this profession in the past? Arak /|\ > > > > Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Where do you get your information from? Public documented records. >The DSM is released by the > American Psychiatric Association, which is a collective of academics. So you say.. In fact, a US Brigadeer General is credited with concocting the nosology and nomenclature of the DSM. The members of America's mental health related criminal cartels were ONLY tasked with publishing and distributing the US Military's psychiatric propaganda. Furthermore, the US Military stacks America's "professional lol" organizations with members of the US Military, so much so, members of the US Military even have VETO power over some initiatives of America's...."professional lol" organizations. > While it's true that clinical psychology really came to the forefront > with shell-shocked soldiers returning from the war, the DSM is not > commissioned by the military. <Yawn> The nosology and nomenclature of DSM I is that of US Brigadeer General William Menninger's (the brother of Karl Menninger. All the members of the mental health related criminal cartels are tasked with is publishing and distributing the fabrication known as the DSM. > Psychiatry is a branch of medicine more than it is a military tool. Psychiatry is NOT a branch of medicine. Psychiatry is a field modeled after medicine. The relationship between psychiatry and medicine is the relationship between a balsam model airplane and a 747. > > The US Military has illegally, unlawfully and unconstitutionally > > insinuated itself into every aspect of the domestic affairs of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > decades ago. I won't lie and say that there is not a psychiatrist on > this planet who is not involved with the military's agenda somehow. Puh-lese! The agenda of the United Pathocracy of America, including the US Military, has been being subverted to satisfy a sexual deviant and his friends insatiable lust for sodomizing little boys and little girls the latter half of the 20th century. All the crime victims of Pappy "B" and Friends need is some good ol fashioned biblical JUSTICE, not psychosis inducing drugs nor psychosis inducing BCT. But the crime victims of Pappy B and friends can't obtain justice because A) members of America's mental health related criminal cartels have RAPED the American criminal justice system to protect the criminal arses of Pappy B and friends, and, concocted "treatments" intended to bring about the final solution of their crime victims after incarcerating and/or debilitating them. > Certain individual doctors may have some ethical and moral > deficiencies, but it's not a reason to paint the whole profession with > the same brush. You are confused! A "Professional" is an individual who places their own interest secondary to the interests of the consumers of their professional services. One can't obtain a license to practice psychiatry or psychology unless one demonstrates a willingless to subordinate the truth to membership in the "Profession lol" April 20, 2009 Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM By Jill Rubolino In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual, exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to provide the already affected children with proper medical care and treatment. In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal variation of childhood. This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site their references, how many parents ask them to explain that information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether. Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM. Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by environmental insult, including vaccines. The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause, not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly denied its medical or biochemical component except autism. No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred to as gross malpractice. The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again, hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet, they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux, relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore us, because they can. Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional. That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are rarely followed appropriately. Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction, mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness, all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children, we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired. It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one case, one precedent. Change will happen. The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent, mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol, mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies, information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on national television and tout that everything is okay. This political, money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off this planet in an upward direction, sir. I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you know, the placating one you get when you start to talk gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here right now, I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.” So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance. Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at www.autismismedical.com. http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c Excellent. Thanks, Paul keep up the good work. Jan > April 20, 2009 > > Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM > > By Jill Rubolino I don't have time to get into all the reasons why I don't agree with the much-touted vaccines-autism link (you can read something about my views at http://goodenoughmummy.typepad.com/good_enough_mum/2009/02/mmr.html, though that's mainly aimed at discussing the MMR). However, just wanted to respond quickly to a couple of points here: >Every parent of an autistic child has > heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while > they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive > diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux, > relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. This is not true. I'm a parent of an autistic child, and I have never heard any such statement. As for all those symptoms, the only time my child showed poor weight gain was in the first couple of months of his life when he had an unsnipped tongue tie (before he got any vaccines, so that certainly wasn't the cause), and the only time he's had any of the other symptoms was when he had a few days of explosive diarrhoea with a tummy bug on a few occasions. He has, overall, been an extremely healthy little boy. So please don't tell me what 'every' parent of an autistic child has experienced, because I'm one of those parents and have experienced nothing of the sort. > All of the supposed nonexistent, > mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol, > mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum > etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a > brain. The mainstream medical studies on the matter have consistently shown no link. There have been various studies that have purported to show a link but have been too deeply flawed to take seriously. All the best, Sarah -- http://www.goodenoughmummy.typepad.com >. I'm a parent of an autistic child, So you say... >>. I'm a parent of an autistic child, > >So you say... Most of the regulars at alt.support.autism are indeed parents / relatives of autistics, or themselves autistic - why else would they be here? The question is, what's *your* connection to autism (if any)? SignatureTerry > On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:25:09 -0700 (PDT), Linda > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Most of the regulars at alt.support.autism are indeed parents / > relatives of autistics So they say > - why else would they be here? There are two kinds of knowledge. A)The knowledge acquired about a subject as a result of life experience B)The knowledge acquired by studying about a subject. The humongous gap in knowledge which exists between persons afflicted with a condition and the parasites who study about conditions inspired persons afflicted with conditions to establish support groups where they could swap knowledge they acquired about their condition as a result of living with it with others who have acquired knowledge about a condition as a result of living with it. Subverting the purpose of the support group to further their own sinister agendas is what motivates persons other then the individuals afflicted with a condition to infiltrate a support group for persons afflicted with the condition. > Subverting the purpose of the support group to further their own > sinister agendas is what motivates persons other then the individuals > afflicted with a condition to infiltrate a support group for persons > afflicted with the condition. Paranoid Nut or Perpetrator? > > On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:25:09 -0700 (PDT), Linda > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > afflicted with a condition to infiltrate a support group for persons > afflicted with the condition. > > Subverting the purpose of the support group to further their own > > sinister agendas is what motivates persons other then the individuals > > afflicted with a condition to infiltrate a support group for persons > > afflicted with the condition. > > Paranoid Nut or Perpetrator? Note that in Linda's case, they are NOT mutually exclusive. > > > On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:25:09 -0700 (PDT), Linda > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On Apr 30, 9:50 am, rpautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 30, 8:18 am, Linda <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Paranoid Nut or Perpetrator? Note that in Linda's case, they are NOT mutually exclusive. Note that this thread is not about Linda. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/96f2269de... Call me Mark "Diversion" Probert. > On Apr 30, 8:18 am, Linda <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >> On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:25:09 -0700 (PDT), Linda >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >So they say I've met some of them, and they are indeed what they say. But *you* ducked the question about your own connection with autism. >Subverting the purpose of the support group to further their own >sinister agendas is what motivates persons other then the individuals >afflicted with a condition to infiltrate a support group for persons >afflicted with the condition. So what is your agenda in subverting the purpose of alt.support.autism? (As described in the charter). SignatureTerry > On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:18:00 -0700 (PDT), Linda > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I've met some of them, and they are indeed what they say. So you "say" > But *you* ducked the question about your own connection with autism. Err, an argument stands on it's merit, or, it doesn't stand. You and your ilk are shoving your propaganda down other peoples throats based upon your false appeal to authority of being a NAMI Mommie, as if, the NAMI Mommies who serve up their babies on a silver platter to the criminals who belong to America's mental health related criminal cartels and/or their sexually perverted bosses in the US Military / Intelligence Community have an ounce of credibility. > >Subverting the purpose of the support group to further their own > >sinister agendas is what motivates persons other then the individuals [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So what is your agenda in subverting the purpose of > alt.support.autism? (As described in the charter). I suppose that would depend upon what sort of charter malevolent NAMI Mommies/Daddies and the criminals who belong to America's mental health related criminal cartels concocted to preclude individuals afflicted with autism from utilizing ASA as a gathering place for themselves to swap knowledge about autism which they alone possess as of result of their being the only ones who actually live with autism. >> On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:18:00 -0700 (PDT), Linda >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >So you "say" Well I'm not posting my autism diagnosis on-line, and I doubt that most other people would either. But since you don't believe what people "say", then how can you expect them to believe that what you "say" has any merit? >> But *you* ducked the question about your own connection with autism. > >Err, an argument stands on it's merit, or, it doesn't stand. Oh your "argument" fails on it's own merits - the question is what are you doing here if you have no connection with autism? >You and your ilk are shoving your propaganda down other peoples >throats based upon your false appeal to authority of being a NAMI >Mommie Do you believe yourself to be clairvoyant or something? - You got the gender wrong for a start, not am I a parent, I'm an adult autistic. So what's *your* claim to authority about anything to do with autism? >> So what is your agenda in subverting the purpose of >> alt.support.autism? (As described in the charter). > >I suppose that would depend upon what sort of charter malevolent NAMI >Mommies/Daddies Well, if you'd *read* the charter, you'd see that a.s.a was set up by autistics primarily for autistics - And we do indeed "utilize ASA as a gathering place to swap knowledge about autism which [we] possess as of result of being the ones who actually live with autism." But what's your connection with autism? SignatureTerry > On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:52:12 -0700 (PDT), Linda > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > But since you don't believe what people "say", then how can you expect > them to believe that what you "say" has any merit? Unlike you and your ilk my arguement is based upon historical fact. US Brigadier General William Menninger developed the nosology and the nomenclature of the DSM I, which the US Military and Intelligence Community bribed the members of America's "Mental Health" related criminal cartels to publish and distribute AS IF the fabrication known as the DSM was their own. Furthermore, the US Military and Intelligence Community has bribed the members of the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars to ensure the members of the American Psychiatric Associaton and American Psychological Association collaborate with the US Military and Intelligance Communities domestic warfare on WE THE PEOPLE for the 57 years since the US Military paid the APA's 30 pieces of silver to publish the propaganda known as the DSM which the US Military developed. Although the American Psychiatric Association continues to maintain the pretense of divided loyalties between the US Military who "owns" it and the consumers of it's shoddy services, the American Psychological Association ceased maintaining any pretense about US Psychologists undivided loyalty to the US Military when the American Psychological Association amended Section 1.02 of it's ethics code to include the Nuremberg Defense. Kindly defend your indefensible position of serving up babies afflicted with autism to Whore's collaborating with the US Military and Intelligence Community instead of consulting Neurologists wrt their purely neurological condition. >Unlike you and your ilk my arguement is based upon historical fact. Based on my actual posts, rather than your imaginings, what argument do you claim I'm making? >US Brigadier General William Menninger developed the nosology and the >nomenclature of the DSM I ... Except that like half or more of a.s.a regulars I don't live in the US and have had no contact with the system to which you refer. >Kindly defend your indefensible position of serving up babies >afflicted with autism to Whore's collaborating with the US Military >and Intelligence Community instead of consulting Neurologists wrt >their purely neurological condition. You're imagining things again - I've never claimed that autism is anything other than a neuro-developmental condition - You glibly talk about "facts", so show me the posts where you believe I've expressed such a belief. SignatureTerry > On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:22:38 -0700 (PDT), Linda > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Based on my actual posts, rather than your imaginings, what argument > do you claim I'm making? None! That's my point. You interjected yourself into a discussion where you have nothing of value to contribute. > >US Brigadier General William Menninger developed the nosology and the > >nomenclature of the DSM I ... > > Except that like half or more of a.s.a regulars I don't live in the US > and have had no contact with the system to which you refer. That didn't stop you from interjecting yourself in a discussion whose topic is "Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM", did it? > >Kindly defend your indefensible position of serving up babies > >afflicted with autism to Whore's collaborating with the US Military [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I've never claimed that autism is > anything other than a neuro-developmental condition Saying Autism is anything other then a neurological condition is saying that Autism is something other than a neurological condition. >> Based on my actual posts, rather than your imaginings, what argument >> do you claim I'm making? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >You interjected yourself into a discussion where you have nothing of >value to contribute. Just because *you* don't agree with something doesn't mean that it's of no value. Questioning the claims of people who pontificate about autism is one of the things we do. >> Except that like half or more of a.s.a regulars I don't live in the US >> and have had no contact with the system to which you refer. > >That didn't stop you from interjecting yourself in a discussion whose >topic is "Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM", did it? (1) I am autistic. (2) The topic was posted to a.s.a where I am a regular participant. (3) This is a multi-national group, so what's happening in other countries is of relevance. (4) I agree with the point that autism is not a mental illness. I have a basis for joining in the discussion, but what's yours? >> >Kindly defend your indefensible position of serving up babies >> >afflicted with autism to Whore's collaborating with the US Military [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Saying Autism is anything other then a neurological condition is >saying that Autism is something other than a neurological condition. Are you claiming that autism is *not* a neuro-developmental condition? If so, on what evidence do you base this belief? SignatureTerry > On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:58:23 -0700 (PDT), Linda > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Just because *you* don't agree with something doesn't mean that it's > of no value. You didn't interject yourself into this discussion to discuss anything. You interjected yourself into this discussion to encourage readers to receive what another author asserted as if it were the gospel truth, rather then receive it as something which may be true, or false. Questioning the claims of people who pontificate about > autism is one of the things we do. We??? You are a member of a gang? What sort of gangster are you? > >> Except that like half or more of a.s.a regulars I don't live in the US > >> and have had no contact with the system to which you refer. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I have a basis for joining in the discussion Since what you "say" may be true, or false, how can your "saying" something which may be true, or false, create a basis for your joining a discussion in which you employ ABUSIVE interrogation tactics against others who join the discussion because they joined the discussion? > >> >Kindly defend your indefensible position of serving up babies > >> >afflicted with autism to Whore's collaborating with the US Military [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Are you claiming that autism is *not* a neuro-developmental condition? I'm saying that saying autism is anything other then a neurological condition is one and the same as saying that autism is something other then a neurological condition. >> On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:58:23 -0700 (PDT), Linda >> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > condition is one and the same as saying that autism is something other > then a neurological condition. It's plonking time. >>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:58:23 -0700 (PDT), Linda >>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> >> What sort of gangster are you? Not a gang -- a herd. A herd of cats specifically. >>>>> Except that like half or more of a.s.a regulars I don't live in the US >>>>> and have had no contact with the system to which you refer. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> against others who join the discussion because they joined the >> discussion? If Terry really did manage to do it, I have to say waterboarding someone via usenet is a truly impressive accomplishment. Bravo! >>>>>> Kindly defend your indefensible position of serving up babies >>>>>> afflicted with autism to Whore's collaborating with the US Military [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> > It's plonking time. It was plonking time long before she joined this latest discussion. She bounced off the bottom of my killfile after her first post ever. >> >You interjected yourself into a discussion where you have nothing of >> >value to contribute. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >You didn't interject yourself into this discussion to discuss >anything. What *exactly* do you find wrong in an autistic joining an autism related thread which is posted to (amongst others) an autism newsgroup? >You interjected yourself into this discussion to encourage readers to >receive what another author asserted as if it were the gospel truth, >rather then receive it as something which may be true, or false. I joined the thread when you (on no apparent basis whatever) questioned the authenticity of one of the regular posters on alt.support.autism I did not in fact assert that anything was "gospel truth", but pointed out the probabilities and asked you to justify your doubts. (Which you singularly failed to do, with some spiel about "infiltrate" and "sinister agendas" for which you provided no supporting evidence whatever). >> Questioning the claims of people who pontificate about >> autism is one of the things we do. > >We??? > >You are a member of a gang? I'm a regular reader and poster of an autism newsgroup. And that is one of the things "we" (a number of the posters there, including myself) do. >Since what you "say" may be true, or false, how can your "saying" >something which may be true, or false, create a basis for your >joining a discussion in which you employ ABUSIVE interrogation tactics So to your mind it's "ABUSIVE interrogation" to question the basis for your assertions, or your association with autism - but not for you to do the same with others? >against others who join the discussion because they joined the >discussion? In fact you had made several posts in this thread before the one to which I responded, so asserting that I did so for this reason has no basis in fact - or are you claiming that I did this to some *other* person in the thread? If so whom and in which post(s)? >> Are you claiming that autism is *not* a neuro-developmental condition? > >I'm saying that saying autism is anything other then a neurological >condition is one and the same as saying that autism is something other >then a neurological condition. Which is both a tautology and an evasion. Newsgroups are a public forum, not a pulpit where you preach and everybody else says "Amen" - If you say something questionable, it's likely to be questioned. A point you need to understand if you intended to participate productively in newsgroups. Likewise if you believe that you have something worth saying, then you need to be able to substantiate it, and respond properly to questions raised about your arguments - Not evasion, spin, and ad hominem. Bye to you, Linda Pyrobraccae > On Fri, 1 May 2009 02:01:34 -0700 (PDT), Linda > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > related thread which is posted to (amongst others) an autism > newsgroup? You didn't interject yourself into this discussion to discuss anything. You interjected yourself into this discussion to coerce readers into receiving assertions which may be true, or false, as if such assertions are the gospel truth. > >You interjected yourself into this discussion to encourage readers to > >receive what another author asserted as if it were the gospel truth, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I did not in fact assert that anything was "gospel truth", but pointed > out the probabilities No, you didn't. You asked readers to receive assertions which may be true, or false, as if the assertions were true, not false, based upon nothing more than your "say so", when what you "say" must also be received as something which may be true, or FALSE. > >> Questioning the claims of people who pontificate about > >> autism is one of the things we do. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > one of the things "we" (a number of the posters there, including > myself) do. You established the fact you and one or more other ASA subscribers are gangsters. My question is what sort of gangsters are you. > >Since what you "say" may be true, or false, how can your "saying" > >something which may be true, or false, create a basis for your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > your assertions, or your association with autism - but not for you to > do the same with others? What exactly is your motive for effecting to coerce readers into receiving assertions which may be true, or false, AS IF the assertions are true, not false, other then the fabricate a false pretext for your utilization of abusive interrorgation tactics against any and all who reply to assertions which may be true or false as assertions as assertions which may be true or false? > In fact you had made several posts in this thread before the one to > which I responded, None of which you responded to. > >> Are you claiming that autism is *not* a neuro-developmental condition? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > everybody else says "Amen" - If you say something questionable, it's > likely to be questioned. Nice twist! However, it's you and other members of your gang who are effecting to bully readers into receiving assertions which may be true or false AS IF they are assertions which are true, not false. > Bye to you, Linda Pyrobraccae Criminal libel and criminal harassment documented for reporting to appropriate authorities. >Criminal libel and criminal harassment documented for reporting to >appropriate authorities. I would be delighted to see you attempt to substantiate such claims, given that everything which you (and I) have posted is archived and can be independently verified. SignatureTerry > On Mon, 4 May 2009 10:37:46 -0700 (PDT), Linda > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I would be delighted What would delight a self-proclaimed gangster misusing interactive services to further the malicious and/or sinister agendas of a group of gangsters is of no import to yours truly. > On Mon, 4 May 2009 10:37:46 -0700 (PDT), Linda > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I would be delighted What would delight a self-proclaimed GANGSTER unlawfully misusing interactive computer services to further the malicious and/or sinister agendas of an alleged group of GANGSTERS is of no import to yours truly. >> >Criminal libel and criminal harassment documented for reporting to >> >appropriate authorities. >> >> I would be delighted > >What would delight a self-proclaimed GANGSTER... Now that probably is libelous :) Also duplicitous, since you take your own claims and falsely attribute them to me. As I said before, it's all archived (courtesy of Google), and no matter how much you may CAPITALISE, what was written (and by whom) is not going to change itself to meet your wishes. > > On Mon, 4 May 2009 10:37:46 -0700 (PDT), Linda > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > agendas of an alleged group of GANGSTERS is of no import to yours > truly. Oh shut up. NT or AS, you're annoying as hell. > > Bye to you, Linda Pyrobraccae > > Criminal libel and criminal harassment documented for reporting to > appropriate authorities. "Our Lady of Conception" > > > Bye to you, Linda Pyrobraccae > > > Criminal libel and criminal harassment documented for reporting to > > appropriate authorities. > > "Our Lady of Conception" Meanwhile, back in reality, courts around the world have come to see it my way. See the Megan Meirs/Lori Drew case, as well as, the case of the animal rights activists imprisoned 4-11 years for conspiracy to blackmail aka urban terrorism. >>> . I'm a parent of an autistic child, >> So you say... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The question is, what's *your* connection to autism (if any)? Well I thought she was a parent, but I'm beginning to think she's the Troll Jan Drew in disguise. It's OK to have your own opinions, but it's not OK to attempt to brow beat them into others. One would think that with a subject as contentious as this one is here that one ought to let it slide or quit cross posting it into alt.support.autism. As for the original posting I whole wholeheartedly agree. I see autism as a neurological difference not a psychological abnormality and it doesn't belong in the DSM VI and I shouldn't have to take my son to a damned Shrink to get a stamp of approval every year in order to recieve the services he requires and deserves. >>>> . I'm a parent of an autistic child, >>> So you say... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > damned Shrink to get a stamp of approval every year in order to recieve > the services he requires and deserves. To elaborate further what the hell do I need the Shrink for anyway. Yup, he's still not cured, guess I'll rubber stamp this approval for services n thanks for the $250.00 fee you provide each year for doing absolutely nothing! Morons, he was diagnosed 14 years ago at Baylor University Medical Center's Children's Neuro Unit by Elaine Ellis and a slew of interns and medical students with autism and guess what, ya pain in the a.s Shrink, fourteen years later he's still autistic. Duh! >>>>> . I'm a parent of an autistic child, >>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > medical students with autism and guess what, ya pain in the a.s Shrink, > fourteen years later he's still autistic. Duh! I can understand your frustration. Dealing with bureaucratic nonsense drives me nuts. > >> On Apr 28, 11:55 pm, "Sarah V."<nanny...@samael.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >>> . I'm a parent of an autistic child, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Well I thought she was a parent, but I'm beginning to think she's the > Troll Jan Drew in disguise. That is something that only a Stephen King fan could come up with. A scary thought. They are different people, as I have dealt with both for years. Each has their own list of problems. It's OK to have your own opinions, but it's > not OK to attempt to brow beat them into others. One would think that > with a subject as contentious as this one is here that one ought to let [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > damned Shrink to get a stamp of approval every year in order to recieve > the services he requires and deserves. Fully agree. Why should you have to do it more than once? I know a family where the child could not be serv ed by any state approved facility due to a complexity of multiple problems. Only one provided could address all and their school district had no problem with that. Except for the fact that they had to go through the entire process year after year. The Mom in that household was so thankful for a gift of an old computer with WordPerfect and a printer. All she has had to do was change the dates for the last ten years. On Apr 30, 9:56 am, Muddle <berniesimm...@epix.net> wrote: > Terry Jones wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:25:09 -0700 (PDT), Linda [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Well I thought she was a parent, but I'm beginning to think she's the > Troll Jan Drew in disguise. That is something that only a Stephen King fan could come up with. A scary thought. They are different people, as I have dealt with both for years. Each has their own list of problems. Shall I list your a *some * of your problems, Mark S Probert? From: msprob...@aol.com (MSProbert) Subject: Re: NBC Nightly News Segment on overuse of Ritalin Date: 1996/07/02 Message-ID: <4rbm3n$shd@newsbf02.news.aol.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 163353426 sender: n...@newsbf02.news.aol.com references: <4qs44e$91@news1.infinet.com> organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit In article <4qs44e...@news1.infinet.com>, jpal...@infinet.com (John Palmer) writes: >Er, no. No one, to the extent of my knowledge, has ever been flamed for saying that diagnoses should be made carefully and responsibly.USUALLY, what happens is someone comes in and INSISTS there is widespread overprescription of ritalin and INSISTS that Doctors are being lazy in their diagnoses and INSISTS that there are schools with 75% of all children on ritalin. < I asked Josh's school nurse if she could tell me how many kids are on ADHD medication (the district requires that all medications be known, as they may need to provide medical care in an emergency). Seems that 3% of the JHS are on meds. Mark S. Probert Merrick, New York Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit From: msprob...@aol.com Date: 1997/01/03 Subject: Re: ADD, Teens, Driving In article <qsxq$LAiJuyyE...@helping-hands.demon.co.uk>, "Z.L" <z...@helping-hands.demon.co.uk> writes: >sounds just like my son. We had his field of vision tested, and it was >very limited. No wonder he missed those cars. I refused to go in the car [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >far as I know either treatment is available in the USA but only in the >UK is is available as a combined treatment. Hi Z.L.: Got any proof that this works, yet?. Can I infer that it does not work because you did not mention that it does? Would you go driving with someone who is relying on this? Mark S. Probert Long Island, New York From: msprob...@aol.com Subject: Re: Too Many Side Effects Date: 1997/01/02 Message-ID: <19970102143001.JAA13569@ladder01.news.aol.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 207379985 references: <5afra0$kko@opengovt.open.org> organization: AOL http://www.aol.com newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit x-admin: n...@aol.com In article <5afra0$...@opengovt.open.org>, rex...@open.org writes: >As my girlfriend's eight year old was diagnosed with ADHD at age five, >I have been very interesten in learning as much as possible about the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >effects. While Ritalin and other amphetamines work well for many >people diagnosed with ADHD, the side effects are very undesirable. You have not read the group at all. Why do you feel it necessary to lie like you do? Shame on you. Any email only response to this message will be made public. This message has been posted and mailed. Mark S. Probert Long Island, New York Discussion subject changed to "Ranting and Raving" by msprob...@aol.com Discussion subject changed to "RX-FART" by msprob...@aol.com From: msprob...@aol.com (MSProbert) Subject: Re: PUBLIC SCHOOL UNIFORMS? Date: 1996/04/26 Message-ID: <4lqigq$47j@newsbf02.news.aol.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 151559616 sender: r...@newsbf02.news.aol.com references: <4lntle$1mv@news.xmission.com> organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher In article <4lntle$...@news.xmission.com>, rgarr...@xmission.com writes: >Just because I drive a Chevrolet doesn't mean I think like every other >person who drives a Chevrolet. True for us Chevy owners, but BMW owners all do think alike. All of today's BMWs look alike, except for size. Mark S. Probert Merrick, New York From: msprob...@aol.com (MSProbert) Subject: Re: PUBLIC SCHOOL UNIFORMS? Date: 1996/03/02 Message-ID: <4harau$s1m@newsbf02.news.aol.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 141869140 sender: r...@newsbf02.news.aol.com references: <4h9vfn$9cm@iac2.ltec.net> organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher In article <4h9vfn$...@iac2.ltec.net>, Sharon O'Neil <so40...@ltec.net> writes: >I also wore one for 12 years and think they're a great idea. I >currently teach in the public school system. I don't think that it >is an issue of self-expression at all. When I was younger, my >public school friends were not wearing shirts that exposed their >navels or t-shirts with obscene messages on them. Kids need and >want limits. When I was in school, we were required to wear a shirt with collar, tie, and slacks. The young ladies had to choose between dresses or a skirt and blouse. I would think that this is enough of a "uniform". My 12 year old is on a school team. For away games, they must wear a shirt and tie and either a jacket or sweater. On these days, he seems to be a more peaceful kid. ================ Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX) Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:59:31 GMT Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:59 pm Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution I have no children, Sistah Jan. As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah! AloysiousX Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX) Date: 06 Jan 2004 22:31:39 GMT Local: Tues, Jan 6 2004 6:31 pm Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution You know something, Sistah Ilena, I'm not Mark Probert, but it's pretty clear who the coward is. Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX) Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:57:50 GMT Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:57 pm Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution Sistah Jan, I'd never heard of you until you made your post in the breast implant group, much in the same way I'd never heard of Mark Probert until Sistah Ilena mentioned him. path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 107 X-Admin: n...@aol.com From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX) Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant Date: 06 Jan 2004 17:54:38 GMT References: <19faaec.0401060908.68a7...@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution Message-ID: 20040106125438.01826.00002...@mb-m18.aol.com > Subj: Is There Some Reason...> Date: 2/12/2004 2:18:07 PM Pacific Standard > Time> From: AloysiousX> To: JDrew63929>>> Is there some reason why you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > guess not.>>> As Salaam Aleikum!>>> Aloysious> > Mark Probert markprobert1...@hotmail.com AloysiousX From: msprob...@aol.com (MSProbert) Subject: Re: lying ADD stepson Date: 1996/05/08 Message-ID: <4mr0jm$p36@newsbf02.news.aol.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 153807633 sender: r...@newsbf02.news.aol.com references: <3190C016.342@emeraldis.com> organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) newsgroups: alt.support.step-parents In article <3190C016....@emeraldis.com>, Timbo <ri...@emeraldis.com> writes: >I have a 12 year old stepson who has a problem with lying. He will lie about >anything. He constantly lies about not having homework, and has no interest >in school. Any time he does something wrong, he tells one lie after another >to keep himself out of trouble. We tell him that we all make mistakes and >occasionlly lie, but to continually tell one lie after another is only going >to get in more trouble. Usually his punishment is being grounded are having >priveledges taken away Sounds like my 12 year old. We had the same problems. We backed off on the punishment about a year ago and instituted specific rewards for truthfulness. We also lessened the amount of punishment and deprivation. Instead of giving him a chance to say he has no homework, the school faxes me a copy of his HW list daily. Things have gotten better. Mark S. Probert Merrick, New York From: msprob...@aol.com (MSProbert) Subject: Re: **Need fast CASH? Here it is!** Date: 1996/09/28 Message-ID: <52j2ku$561@newsbf02.news.aol.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 185820786 sender: r...@newsbf02.news.aol.com references: <324B1FB9.1E80@netrover.com> organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) newsgroups: alt.stupidity In article <324B1FB9.1...@netrover.com>, Pringles <pring...@netrover.com> writes: >THAT WAS EXCITING!! So how much did I >get in total return? $1000? $5000? Not even!!! I received a total of >$23,343!!! I couldn't believe it!! I sent a copy of your message to the IRS and asked them to collect back taxes and send me the 10% bounty. They'll then send the message to the USPS as yours is an illegal pyramid scheme and will get you 5 years and $10,000 in fines. AND they take your internet access away! Mark S. Probert Merrick, New York From: msprob...@aol.com (MSProbert) Subject: Re: Beginning Babysitter Date: 1996/04/22 Message-ID: <4lgasn$fvn@newsbf02.news.aol.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 150814229 sender: r...@newsbf02.news.aol.com references: <1996Apr21.235647.6823@news.iup.edu> organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) newsgroups: alt.parenting.solutions In article <1996Apr21.235647.6...@news.iup.edu>, b...@grove.iup.edu (Matthew R. St. John) writes: >I have a question for you. I am a college student Ealy Childhood education >major. I did not discover my love for children until right before I entered >collegeso I did not do a lot of babysitting in my teen years. But now I am >looking to do that to help with getting experience with young children. But >how do I get started being that I do not have a lot of refrences, one to be >precise. So what should I do to get the ball rolling. Any suggestions would >be welcome. OT: For What it is Worth http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/d4233af27b0d7597 Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative From: Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:44:01 GMT Local: Tues, Nov 28 2006 5:44 pm Subject: Re: OT: For What it is Worth pmoran wrote: > Mark, what gives? These are awful accusations and it smells of fakery > . > It should have been possible to check some of the facts, such as that > the child care centre was closed down. Why were criminal charges not > laid if these accusations were true? > I don't think this should have been posted, even as a joke or to make a > point, however well-deserved. Bolen and Ilena have amply demonstrated > how lies can acquire a life of their own on Usenet. > Can you withdraw it? Yes, but for a price. Nothing for free any more. I want peace. I have asked for it, I have lived it. I want peace. I will do whatever is necessary for peace, except give in to Ilena's and Jan extortion. [That was so filled with LIES that you made up, you had it removed from Google] If you really want to try something really hard, and really rewarding, contact the local United Cerebral Palsy center and ask them for a list of respite programs, and where you can get some training in working with multiply handicapped children. Then become a respite worker (most areas have a shortage). Pays better than babysitting in more ways than one. Respite workers provide time off for parents of severely disabled children. Father of Josh-12-ADHD and Noah-7-CP. Mark S. Probert Merrick, New York It's OK to have your own opinions, but it's > not OK to attempt to brow beat them into others. One would think that > with a subject as contentious as this one is here that one ought to let [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > damned Shrink to get a stamp of approval every year in order to recieve > the services he requires and deserves. Fully agree. Why should you have to do it more than once? I know a family where the child could not be serv ed by any state approved facility due to a complexity of multiple problems. Only one provided could address all and their school district had no problem with that. Except for the fact that they had to go through the entire process year after year. The Mom in that household was so thankful for a gift of an old computer with WordPerfect and a printer. All she has had to do was change the dates for the last ten years. Stalking and harASSment removed,. Nothing left. > Stalking and harASSment removed,. > > Nothing left. Poor Mark S Probert cannot stand the *truth* > On Apr 30, 9:56 am, Muddle <berniesimm...@epix.net> wrote: >> Terry Jones wrote: [quoted text clipped - 369 lines] > computer with WordPerfect and a printer. All she has had to do was > change the dates for the last ten years. > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message > They are different people, as I have dealt with both for years. Jan, you're slipping. Probert's assertion that he's dealt with me for years is a blatant LIE. It's been many years since I've had any dealings whatsoever with Mark S. Probert or any of the other criminals who conspired with convicted child molesters, authors of Pedarestic SMBD FAQ's, subscribers of unlawful child porno forums like alt.binaries.pictures.asparagus, phone sex proprietors and porno kings to blackmail, terrorize and murder innocent american soccer moms, little league dads, and their children. Au contraire... Mark S. Probert is amongst the longstanding named recipients of my legally binding Public Notice to Cease and Desist misusing interactive computer services to pursue unwanted and unwelcome communications with yours truly, in violation of the laws of my state of residence, which explicitly includes NEWSGROUPS amongst the venues where malicious creeps like Mark S. Probert are prohibited from cyberharassing me or conspiring with other malicious individuals to blackmail, terrorize and murder me and mine. > > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > cyberharassing me or conspiring with other malicious individuals to > blackmail, terrorize and murder me and mine. Read the CDA and note that state laws are trumped by Federal Law. As for my dealings with you, they are rare, usually to respond to your utterly gratuitous nasty comments coming from your sick, paranoid little mind. On Apr 30, 6:01 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message > They are different people, as I have dealt with both for years. Jan, you're slipping. Oh? Please provide the proof. Probert's assertion that he's dealt with me for years is a blatant LIE. My post stated nothing about that. It's been many years since I've had any dealings whatsoever with Mark S. Probert or any of the other criminals who conspired with convicted child molesters, authors of Pedarestic SMBD FAQ's, subscribers of unlawful child porno forums like alt.binaries.pictures.asparagus, phone sex proprietors and porno kings to blackmail, terrorize and murder innocent american soccer moms, little league dads, and their children. Au contraire... Mark S. Probert is amongst the longstanding named recipients of my legally binding Public Notice to Cease and Desist misusing interactive computer services to pursue unwanted and unwelcome communications with yours truly, in violation of the laws of my state of residence, which explicitly includes NEWSGROUPS amongst the venues where malicious creeps like Mark S. Probert are prohibited from cyberharassing me or conspiring with other malicious individuals to blackmail, terrorize and murder me and mine. And? I see nothing in my post about you whatsoever. If I failed to read that, feel free to point it out. > On Apr 30, 9:56 am, Muddle <berniesimm...@epix.net> wrote: >> Terry Jones wrote: [quoted text clipped - 369 lines] > computer with WordPerfect and a printer. All she has had to do was > change the dates for the last ten years. > On Apr 30, 6:01 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh? Yes, you're slipping. Probert is hyping the blatant and bold faced lie that he's had dealings with someone who has steadfastly refused to have any dealings whatsoever with Probert since Probert conspired with Morin and other child molesters to terrorize and murder me and my child(ren).. Anyone who republishes the lies which Probert is hyping to manufacture the false perception that Probert's conspiring with child molesters to torture and terrorize american soccer moms and their children to their death is propagating Probert;'s LIE that terrorism and murder of American Soccer Moms and/or their children is some sort of sporting contest, when it most certainly is not, what Probert is doing is Terrorism, and, when such Terrorism leads to the death of the target, as it has in many cases, it's called MURDER in the Second Degree. Your republishing Probert's lie propagates it. But, alas, I'm a catholic, albeit an apostate or "cafeteria" catholic, and, Torturing / Murdering Jews like Probert can always rely on WASP's like yourself to ally yourselves with Torturing/ Murdering Jews like Probert when it comes to torturing and murdering Catholics, eh? On May 1, 6:52 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > "Linda" <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Oh? Yes, you're slipping. Probert is hyping the blatant and bold faced lie that he's had dealings with someone who has steadfastly refused to have any dealings whatsoever with Probert since Probert conspired with Morin and other child molesters to terrorize and murder me and my child(ren).. Anyone who republishes the lies which Probert is hyping to manufacture the false perception that Probert's conspiring with child molesters to torture and terrorize american soccer moms and their children to their death is propagating Probert;'s LIE that terrorism and murder of American Soccer Moms and/or their children is some sort of sporting contest, when it most certainly is not, what Probert is doing is Terrorism, and, when such Terrorism leads to the death of the target, as it has in many cases, it's called MURDER in the Second Degree. Your republishing Probert's lie propagates it. But, alas, I'm a catholic, albeit an apostate or "cafeteria" catholic, and, Torturing / Murdering Jews like Probert can always rely on WASP's like yourself to ally yourselves with Torturing/ Murdering Jews like Probert when it comes to torturing and murdering Catholics, eh? I would have to respond that Catholics historically haven't been slackers in the torture and murder dept., having done more than their fair share of it over the years. In fact most of the equipment designed and manufactured for torture, which can be seen in today's museums was created at the behest of the Catholic church, to use against those who were openly, secretly, or were merely accused of belonging to some other religion. I was wondering if perhaps you'd missed a few days of your thorazine dosage. That's the trouble with switching to a different newsreader, people you've plonked in the past reappear. > On May 1, 6:52 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > That's the trouble with switching to a different newsreader, people you've > plonked in the past reappear. You do understand you're absolutely bug-f.ck insane right? Ok..thanks On May 1, 6:52 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > "Linda" <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Oh? Yes, you're slipping. Probert is hyping the blatant and bold faced lie that he's had dealings with someone who has steadfastly refused to have any dealings whatsoever with Probert since Probert conspired with Morin and other child molesters to terrorize and murder me and my child(ren).. Anyone who republishes the lies which Probert is hyping to manufacture the false perception that Probert's conspiring with child molesters to torture and terrorize american soccer moms and their children to their death is propagating Probert;'s LIE that terrorism and murder of American Soccer Moms and/or their children is some sort of sporting contest, when it most certainly is not, what Probert is doing is Terrorism, and, when such Terrorism leads to the death of the target, as it has in many cases, it's called MURDER in the Second Degree. Your republishing Probert's lie propagates it. But, alas, I'm a catholic, albeit an apostate or "cafeteria" catholic, and, Torturing / Murdering Jews like Probert can always rely on WASP's like yourself to ally yourselves with Torturing/ Murdering Jews like Probert when it comes to torturing and murdering Catholics, eh? "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:59834e9c-4771-4de2-ad61-96f98165cfee@y10g2000prc.googlegroups.com... > Stalking and harASSment removed,. > Nothing left. Poor Mark S Probert cannot stand the *truth* "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:jLrKl.17180$8_3.4284@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com... > On Apr 30, 9:56 am, Muddle <berniesimm...@epix.net> wrote: >> Terry Jones wrote: >> > On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:25:09 -0700 (PDT), Linda >> > <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote: >> >> On Apr 28, 11:55 pm, "Sarah V."<nanny...@samael.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> . I'm a parent of an autistic child, >> >> So you say... >> > Most of the regulars at alt.support.autism are indeed parents / >> > relatives of autistics, or themselves autistic - why else would they >> > be here? >> > The question is, what's *your* connection to autism (if any)? >> Well I thought she was a parent, but I'm beginning to think she's the >> Troll Jan Drew in disguise. > That is something that only a Stephen King fan could come up with. A > scary thought. > They are different people, as I have dealt with both for years. Each > has their own list of problems. > Shall I list your a *some * of your problems, Mark S Probert? > From: msprob...@aol.com (MSProbert) > Subject: Re: NBC Nightly News Segment on overuse of Ritalin [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) > newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit > In article <4qs44e...@news1.infinet.com>, jpal...@infinet.com (John > Palmer) writes: >>Er, no. No one, to the extent of my knowledge, has ever been flamed for > saying that diagnoses should be made carefully and responsibly.USUALLY, > what happens is someone comes in and INSISTS there is widespread > overprescription of ritalin and INSISTS that Doctors are being lazy in > their diagnoses and INSISTS that there are schools with 75% of all > children on ritalin. < > I asked Josh's school nurse if she could tell me how many kids are on ADHD > medication (the district requires that all medications be known, as they > may need to provide medical care in an emergency). Seems that 3% of the > JHS are on meds. > Mark S. Probert > Merrick, New York > Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit > From: msprob...@aol.com > Date: 1997/01/03 > Subject: Re: ADD, Teens, Driving > In article <qsxq$LAiJuyyE...@helping-hands.demon.co.uk>, "Z.L" > <z...@helping-hands.demon.co.uk> writes: >>sounds just like my son. We had his field of vision tested, and it was [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>far as I know either treatment is available in the USA but only in the >>UK is is available as a combined treatment. > Hi Z.L.: > Got any proof that this works, yet?. Can I infer that it does not work > because you did not mention that it does? Would you go driving with > someone who is relying on this? > Mark S. Probert > Long Island, New York > From: msprob...@aol.com > Subject: Re: Too Many Side Effects [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit > x-admin: n...@aol.com > In article <5afra0$...@opengovt.open.org>, rex...@open.org writes: >>As my girlfriend's eight year old was diagnosed with ADHD at age five, >>I have been very interesten in learning as much as possible about the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>effects. While Ritalin and other amphetamines work well for many >>people diagnosed with ADHD, the side effects are very undesirable. > You have not read the group at all. Why do you feel it necessary to lie > like you do? Shame on you. > Any email only response to this message will be made public. This message > has been posted and mailed. > Mark S. Probert > Long Island, New York > Discussion subject changed to "Ranting and Raving" by msprob...@aol.com > Discussion subject changed to "RX-FART" by msprob...@aol.com > From: msprob...@aol.com (MSProbert) > Subject: Re: PUBLIC SCHOOL UNIFORMS? > Date: 1996/04/26 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) > newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher > In article <4lntle$...@news.xmission.com>, rgarr...@xmission.com writes: >>Just because I drive a Chevrolet doesn't mean I think like every other >>person who drives a Chevrolet. > True for us Chevy owners, but BMW owners all do think alike. All of > today's BMWs look alike, except for size. > Mark S. Probert > Merrick, New York > From: msprob...@aol.com (MSProbert) > Subject: Re: PUBLIC SCHOOL UNIFORMS? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) > newsgroups: k12.chat.teacher > In article <4h9vfn$...@iac2.ltec.net>, Sharon O'Neil <so40...@ltec.net> > writes: >>I also wore one for 12 years and think they're a great idea. I >>currently teach in the public school system. I don't think that it >>is an issue of self-expression at all. When I was younger, my >>public school friends were not wearing shirts that exposed their >>navels or t-shirts with obscene messages on them. Kids need and >>want limits. > When I was in school, we were required to wear a shirt with collar, tie, > and slacks. The young ladies had to choose between dresses or a skirt and > blouse. I would think that this is enough of a "uniform". > My 12 year old is on a school team. For away games, they must wear a shirt > and tie and either a jacket or sweater. On these days, he seems to be a > more peaceful kid. > ================ > Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant > From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX) > Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:59:31 GMT > Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:59 pm > Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution > I have no children, Sistah Jan. > As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah! > AloysiousX > Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant > From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX) > Date: 06 Jan 2004 22:31:39 GMT > Local: Tues, Jan 6 2004 6:31 pm > Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution > You know something, Sistah Ilena, I'm not Mark Probert, but it's pretty > clear > who the coward is. > Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant > From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX) > Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:57:50 GMT > Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:57 pm > Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution > Sistah Jan, I'd never heard of you until you made your post in the breast > implant group, much in the same way I'd never heard of Mark Probert until > Sistah Ilena mentioned him. > path: > archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution > Message-ID: 20040106125438.01826.00002...@mb-m18.aol.com >> Subj: Is There Some Reason...> Date: 2/12/2004 2:18:07 PM Pacific >> Standard [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> guess not.>>> As Salaam Aleikum!>>> Aloysious> >> Mark Probert markprobert1...@hotmail.com AloysiousX > From: msprob...@aol.com (MSProbert) > Subject: Re: lying ADD stepson [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) > newsgroups: alt.support.step-parents > In article <3190C016....@emeraldis.com>, Timbo <ri...@emeraldis.com> > writes: >>I have a 12 year old stepson who has a problem with lying. He will lie > about [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > another >>to keep himself out of trouble. We tell him that we all make mistakes and >>occasionlly lie, but to continually tell one lie after another is only > going >>to get in more trouble. Usually his punishment is being grounded are > having >>priveledges taken away > Sounds like my 12 year old. We had the same problems. We backed off on the > punishment about a year ago and instituted specific rewards for > truthfulness. We also lessened the amount of punishment and deprivation. > Instead of giving him a chance to say he has no homework, the school faxes > me a copy of his HW list daily. Things have gotten better. > Mark S. Probert > Merrick, New York > From: msprob...@aol.com (MSProbert) > Subject: Re: **Need fast CASH? Here it is!** [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) > newsgroups: alt.stupidity > In article <324B1FB9.1...@netrover.com>, Pringles <pring...@netrover.com> > writes: >>THAT WAS EXCITING!! So how much did I >>get in total return? $1000? $5000? Not even!!! I received a total of >>$23,343!!! I couldn't believe it!! > I sent a copy of your message to the IRS and asked them to collect back > taxes and send me the 10% bounty. They'll then send the message to the > USPS as yours is an illegal pyramid scheme and will get you 5 years and > $10,000 in fines. AND they take your internet access away! > Mark S. Probert > Merrick, New York > From: msprob...@aol.com (MSProbert) > Subject: Re: Beginning Babysitter [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) > newsgroups: alt.parenting.solutions > In article <1996Apr21.235647.6...@news.iup.edu>, b...@grove.iup.edu > (Matthew R. St. John) writes: >>I have a question for you. I am a college student Ealy Childhood > education [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > would >>be welcome. > OT: For What it is Worth > http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/d4233af27b... > Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative > From: Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:44:01 GMT > Local: Tues, Nov 28 2006 5:44 pm > Subject: Re: OT: For What it is Worth > pmoran wrote: >> Mark, what gives? These are awful accusations and it smells of fakery >> . >> It should have been possible to check some of the facts, such as that >> the child care centre was closed down. Why were criminal charges not >> laid if these accusations were true? >> I don't think this should have been posted, even as a joke or to make a >> point, however well-deserved. Bolen and Ilena have amply demonstrated >> how lies can acquire a life of their own on Usenet. >> Can you withdraw it? > Yes, but for a price. Nothing for free any more. > I want peace. I have asked for it, I have lived it. I want peace. > I will do whatever is necessary for peace, except give in to Ilena's and > Jan extortion. > [That was so filled with LIES that you made up, you had it removed from > Google] > If you really want to try something really hard, and really rewarding, > contact the local United Cerebral Palsy center and ask them for a list of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Respite workers provide time off for parents of severely disabled > children. > Father of Josh-12-ADHD and Noah-7-CP. > Mark S. Probert > Merrick, New York > It's OK to have your own opinions, but it's >> not OK to attempt to brow beat them into others. One would think that >> with a subject as contentious as this one is here that one ought to let >> it slide or quit cross posting it into alt.support.autism. >> As for the original posting I whole wholeheartedly agree. I see autism >> as a neurological difference not a psychological abnormality and it >> doesn't belong in the DSM VI and I shouldn't have to take my son to a >> damned Shrink to get a stamp of approval every year in order to recieve >> the services he requires and deserves. > Fully agree. Why should you have to do it more than once? I know a > family where the child could not be serv ed by any state approved > facility due to a complexity of multiple problems. Only one provided > could address all and their school district had no problem with that. > Except for the fact that they had to go through the entire process > year after year. > The Mom in that household was so thankful for a gift of an old > computer with WordPerfect and a printer. All she has had to do was > change the dates for the last ten years. Now, do post exactly where I posted anything about you, and where *exactly* where you think I am slipping. > where *exactly* were you thinking I am slipping. You incessantly point out the blatant LIES which Mark S. Probert publishes to recruit a never ending stream of malicious criminals and other undesirables to join his terrorist cells cybersquatting in ASAD, MHA, and, elsewhere. Yet, you republished Probert's blatant LIE wherein Probert falsely claimed Probert has had dealings with yours truly for years, without bothering to point out Probert's assertion is yet another one of his many lies. Hence, I infomed you that you are slipping. > > where *exactly* were you thinking I am slipping. > > You incessantly point out the blatant LIES which Mark S. Probert > publishes to recruit a never ending stream of malicious criminals and > other undesirables to join his terrorist cells cybersquatting in > ASAD, MHA, and, elsewhere. With my training and experience, if I were to do any recruiting, you would never know. > Yet, you republished Probert's blatant LIE wherein Probert falsely > claimed Probert has had dealings with yours truly for years, without > bothering to point out Probert's assertion is yet another one of his > many lies. > > Hence, I infomed you that you are slipping. > where *exactly* were you thinking I am slipping. You incessantly point out the blatant LIES which Mark S. Probert publishes to recruit a never ending stream of malicious criminals and other undesirables to join his terrorist cells cybersquatting in ASAD, MHA, and, elsewhere. I posted about * malicious criminals and other undesirables to join his terrorist cells cybersquatting* Where? Yet, you republished Probert's blatant LIE wherein Probert falsely claimed Probert has had dealings with yours truly for years, without bothering to point out Probert's assertion is yet another one of his many lies. Where? Hence, I infomed you that you are slipping. Yes, I know, but you have failed to prove it. Use for very own words, please. > > where *exactly* were you thinking I am slipping. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Yes, I know, but you have failed to prove it. Jan, you are the person who chose to propagate Probert's blatant LIE that he's had dealings with yours truly "for years", by your republishing Probert's blatant lie; therefore, when I call you on your propagating Probert's lie the onus is on you to either produce the non- existing evidence of these non-existing dealings Probert lied about having with yours truly "for years", or, make amends to me and mine, most especially my child(ren), for your having propagated Probert's outrageous lie that I've had dealings with Probert or any of the other monsters whose criminals activities led to one of these monsters other crime victims publishing articles soliciting the murder of myself and my child(ren). > > "Linda" <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > monsters other crime victims publishing articles soliciting the murder > of myself and my child(ren). Thank you Linda for once again posting the scientific facts. A certain "cult" would rather not discuss facts, data, science and documentation. Proby and his ilk are pro-med shills that are easily dismissed as kooks and crackpots!! I am sure that he will apologize to this group. Linda, you have obviously demonstrated that you are the true genius of this group and hopefully the others will follow your dictates. Thanks you for all your hard work! On May 21, 7:08 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > "Linda" <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Yes, I know, but you have failed to prove it. Jan, you are the person who chose to propagate Probert's blatant LIE that he's had dealings with yours truly "for years", by your republishing Probert's blatant lie; therefore, when I call you on your propagating Probert's lie the onus is on you to either produce the non- existing evidence of these non-existing dealings Probert lied about having with yours truly "for years", or, make amends to me and mine, most especially my child(ren), for your having propagated Probert's outrageous lie that I've had dealings with Probert or any of the other monsters whose criminals activities led to one of these monsters other crime victims publishing articles soliciting the murder of myself and my child(ren). Linda, You didn't answer either question of Where? Using my very own words. Until you do, this discussion is over. > On May 21, 7:08 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Using my very own words. Until you do, this discussion is over. On May 22, 10:46 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > "Linda" <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Using my very own words. Until you do, this discussion is over. > On May 22, 10:46 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > > Using my very own words. Until you do, this discussion is over. > On May 21, 7:08 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > You didn't answer either question of Where? Being obtuse is no excuse. > Using my very own words. I'm accusing you a republishing Probert's LIES in depraved indifference to the lives of his other crime victims. Your failure to assume responsibility for YOUR having done so suggests you intentionally acting as a foil for Probert's murder and mayhem. IOW....a criminal accomplice to murder in the second degree. > > "Linda" <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > IOW....a criminal accomplice to murder in the second degree Stop picking on Jan. That is my job. As for me killing people, I never killed anyone lower that a First Degree or a Colonel. I left he Second Degrees for the riff-raff. > > "Linda" <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > I'm accusing you a republishing Probert's LIES in depraved > indifference to the lives of his other crime victims. Jan is protected from liability under the case of ROSENTHAL VS. BARRETT. > Your failure to assume responsibility for YOUR having done so suggests > you intentionally acting as a foil for Probert's murder and mayhem. OOPS! Foiled again? (Is it better to be foiled or rapiered?) > IOW....a criminal accomplice to murder in the second degree. I do nothing in the second degree. All my work is pure first degree. Never less. Linda, you are so funny! On Jun 4, 2:30 pm, Linda <Indomitab...@netzero.com> wrote: > On May 22, 7:46 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > I'm accusing you a republishing Probert's LIES in depraved > indifference to the lives of his other crime victims. Jan is protected from liability under the case of ROSENTHAL VS. BARRETT. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/96f2269de7a8bdbc From: Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Local: Sun, Aug 17 2008 5:18 pm Subject: Re: Seven Gold-ADHD and Medicated ***Call me Mark "Diversion" Probert.*** 5,500 results for ROSENTHAL VS . Barrett > Your failure to assume responsibility for YOUR having done so suggests > you intentionally acting as a foil for Probert's murder and mayhem. OOPS! Foiled again? (Is it better to be foiled or rapiered?) There is a fine example of your work is pure first degree. There is no such word as *rapiered* http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foiled > IOW....a criminal accomplice to murder in the second degree. I do nothing in the second degree. All my work is pure first degree. Never less. LOL!! Linda, you are so funny! >>>> . I'm a parent of an autistic child, >>> So you say... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Well I thought she was a parent, but I'm beginning to think she's the > Troll Jan Drew in disguise. Jan Drew (me) is not the subject. Neither am I a Troll. It's OK to have your own opinions, but it's > not OK to attempt to brow beat them into others. One would think that > with a subject as contentious as this one is here that one ought to let it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Shrink to get a stamp of approval every year in order to recieve the > services he requires and deserves. > As for the original posting I whole wholeheartedly agree. I see autism > as a neurological difference not a psychological abnormality and it > doesn't belong in the DSM VI and I shouldn't have to take my son to a > damned Shrink to get a stamp of approval every year in order to recieve > the services he requires and deserves. I came into this thread a little late and can't see the original posts. From superficial studies about AS a while ago I found mention of autism causing aberrant behaviour due to confusion, frustration and not being able to fit in. My understanding theses days is that autism is a result of a neurological reconfiguration which has no intrinsic tendency towards psychosis, sociopathy or psychopathy. I don't understand why it is considered a mental illness. How does the establishment justify treating it as such? > I don't understand why it is considered a mental illness. > How does the establishment justify treating it as such? Being in the DSM makes it a mental disorder not a mental illness. The two are not the same thing at all. Other neurologically based disorders are also in the DSM including dyslexia. This whole thread is based on a misunderstanding of what the DSM stands for. How I don't know as it is right in the title. Gareeth >>I don't understand why it is considered a mental illness. >>How does the establishment justify treating it as such? > > Being in the DSM makes it a mental disorder not a mental illness. The two > are not the same thing at all. With all due respect, "mental disorder" is neither more nor less than a euphism for "mental illness". It was basically a way of re-branding the profession after Szasz cut the whole idea to shreds. > Other neurologically based disorders are also > in the DSM including dyslexia. This whole thread is based on a > misunderstanding of what the DSM stands for. How I don't know as it is right > in the title. > > Gareeth It's in the title, but it's also quite Orwellian. Actually the DSM has no value at all beyond historical curiosity, there are no mental illnesses in it at all, just a collection of symptoms, suppositions and popular prejudices. SignatureþT L'autisme c'est moi "Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not believe in the laws of mathematics" April 20, 2009 Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM By Jill Rubolino In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual, exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to provide the already affected children with proper medical care and treatment. In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal variation of childhood. This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site their references, how many parents ask them to explain that information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether. Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM. Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by environmental insult, including vaccines. The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause, not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly denied its medical or biochemical component except autism. No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred to as gross malpractice. The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again, hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet, they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux, relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore us, because they can. Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional. That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are rarely followed appropriately. Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction, mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness, all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children, we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired. It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one case, one precedent. Change will happen. The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent, mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol, mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies, information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on national television and tout that everything is okay. This political, money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off this planet in an upward direction, sir. I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you know, the placating one you get when you start to talk gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here right now, I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.” So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance. Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at www.autismismedical.com. http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c April 20, 2009 Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM By Jill Rubolino In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual, exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to provide the already affected children with proper medical care and treatment. In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal variation of childhood. This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site their references, how many parents ask them to explain that information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether. Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM. Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by environmental insult, including vaccines. The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause, not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly denied its medical or biochemical component except autism. No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred to as gross malpractice. The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again, hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet, they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux, relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore us, because they can. Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional. That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are rarely followed appropriately. Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction, mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness, all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children, we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired. It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one case, one precedent. Change will happen. The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent, mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol, mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies, information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on national television and tout that everything is okay. This political, money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off this planet in an upward direction, sir. I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you know, the placating one you get when you start to talk gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here right now, I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.” So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance. Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at www.autismismedical.com. > April 20, 2009 > [quoted text clipped - 147 lines] > > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-i... >April 20, 2009... Why have you just posted a double copy of the same message? Especially since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this thread? SignatureTerry Terry, Figure It Out. > On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Terry >> On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Figure It Out. OCD? Not able to respond constructively to questions or crticisms of the contents of your posts, so you just keep repating the same things over and over? Simple bad manners? TJ, You get 999 more guesses. > On Fri, 15 May 2009 10:03:57 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Simple bad manners? > Not able to respond constructively to questions or crticisms of the > contents of your posts, so you just keep repating the same things over > and over? > > Simple bad manners? Yawn! > On Fri, 15 May 2009 10:03:57 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Simple bad manners? > On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this > thread? Terry, he has no idea why he does what he does. He is intellectually bankrupt. When I offered to bail him out with a brain transplant from an Amoeba, he refused. On May 15, 1:19 am, Terry Jones <terryjo...@beeb.net> wrote: > On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this > thread? Terry, he has no idea why he does what he does. He is intellectually bankrupt. When I offered to bail him out with a brain transplant from an Amoeba, he refused ------------------------------------------ Forgot to read Torah again, today. Which makes you a liar. http://www.ohrtorahstone.org.il/parsha/5762/emor62.htm speaking kindly to every human being accepting everyone cheerfully and taking precise care concerning his business ethics to the point that everyone praises him and strives to emulate his comportment, then that individual is sanctifying G-d's Name, and about him it is said, 'And He says to me, you are my servant Israel, through whom I am glorified' "(Maimonides, Laws of the Foundations of Torah, 5, 11). http://www.bodhicitta.net/Compassion%20for%20Humanity%20in%20the%20Jewish%20Trad ition.htm Choosing Judaism: Jewish Concern for 'TZEDAKAH" (Charity) and Social Justice Most Jews are aware of the traditional story about the great Jewish scholar, Hillel, who was asked by a Roman soldier to summarize Judaism "while standing on one foot"-in other words, to put all of Jewish theology in a nutshell. Hillel's response was to repeat Judaism's original "Golden Rule": "That which is hateful to yourself, do not do unto others. That is the heart of the Torah; all the rest is commentary. Now go and study!" The "Golden Rule" is in that portion of the Torah known as "The Holiness Code" (Leviticus, Chapter 19). It is a basic principle underlying the traditional Jewish commitment to fairness, human responsibility, and social justice. These fundamental values, rooted in the Torah, have led Jews to establish relatively high standards of generosity for charitable causes. Actually, the concept of tzedakah extends beyond charity-its usual translation-and includes the dual concepts of righteousness and human responsibility-something a Jew is required to do as a part of her or his Jewishness, not simply a voluntary act. The great Jewish scholar, philosopher, and rabbi, Moses Maimonides, who lived 800 years ago, delineated eight different levels of charity. As you read these words, consider how relevant these Jewish teachings are today, more than 800 years later: Going from the lowest level to the highest: 1. One who gives unwillingly. 2. One who gives cheerfully, but not enough. 3. One who gives enough, but not till he is asked. 4. One who gives before being asked, but directly to the poor person. 5. The poor one knows from whom he or she takes, but the giver does not know who is receiving. 6. The giver knows to whom he or she gives, but the receiver does not know the giver. 7. The giver does not know to whom he or she gives, nor does the poor person know from whom he or she receives. The highest form of charity is to strengthen the hand of the poor by giving a loan, or joining in partnership, or training out of the individual's poverty, to help become independent. The highest level of charity-helping a person establish herself or himself-is the foremost ideal of our modem social agenda as we address the complex issues of poverty and welfare and seek the best ways to help people break the chains of poverty. The words of Maimonides exemplify the compassion of Judaism and also vividly show how Jewish sages have sought to point the way for Jews to help make our world a better place in which all people might live with dignity and self-respect. Some people are surprised when they learn that Judaism embodies compassion and love, for language in the Torah often appears harsh to the modem ear. However, one must remember and understand that the Jewish Bible-what Christianity called the "Old Testament"-was written 3,000 years ago. Just as it is important to judge Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence, in the context of the times in which he lived, and not in absolute terms of his having been a slave owner, we must judge the Jewish Bible, including the first five books known as the Torah, in terms relative to what was taking place in society 3,000 years ago. By that standard, the Torah was remarkably progressive. (For instance, the well-known adage, "an eye for an eye," by contemporary times may seem harsh, but this concept was an improvement over the mores of Middle Eastern society 3,000 years ago when one could be killed for injuring another person's eye.) Actually, although the Torah is an ancient document, there is in Judaism a process of study, commentary, and re-interpretation that has allowed the Torah to continue to speak to Jews in every generation. Even though Christianity's "New Testament" was written more than 1,000 years after the Jewish Bible, nevertheless both have passages that are harsh by modern standards. Both also have language of love and compassion, and there are many important similarities such as the Golden Rule. These similarities are not surprising since Jesus was raised as a Jew as were all of his contemporary disciples. On the other hand, there are major philosophical differences, the most fundamental being that Jews did not, and do not, believe that Jesus, who lived and died a Jew, was the Son of God. Another central difference was that Christianity asserted that an individual had to "believe in Jesus in order to be saved," therefore denying any life in "heaven" to non-believers. In sharp contrast, the central theme of Judaism was one of universalism with the "gates of heaven" open to all who lead an exemplary life of good actions and deeds, regardless of religious creed. Although the Jewish Bible was written nearly 3,000 years ago, much of it still speaks directly to us today. For example, in an ancient world in which slavery and injustice were rampant, the Jewish prophets were among the first to call for social justice-for everyone, not just Jews. One of the most meaningful aspects of Judaism is that it offers a religious and cultural environment and a structure in which these moral values can be enhanced and also transmitted from one generation to the next. Some people assert that there is no longer a need to have any religious identity and that these values can be transmitted automatically without the need for a religious framework. However, most thoughtful Jews believe the remarkable extent of active involvement of modern Jews in support of charitable causes and issues of freedom and social justice did not arise in a vacuum but rather developed out of a religious and cultural heritage and faith, nurtured and refined over a period of 4,000 years. This Jewish heritage has been a very important factor in influencing and encouraging individual Jews to speak out on behalf of freedom, compassion, love, peace and justice for all. Therefore, committed Jews seek Jewish continuity, not just for themselves, but for all humankind. Has-Been, You're a 'Hack'("Wannabe"!). Create and write your own material. > > On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > bankrupt. When I offered to bail him out with a brain transplant from > an Amoeba, he refused. > Has-Been, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > bankrupt. When I offered to bail him out with a brain transplant from > > an Amoeba, he refused.- Hide quoted text - Go tend your Jenny McCarthy shrine will you? > Go tend your Jenny McCarthy shrine will you? Huh? On May 17, 5:00 pm, AmaranthQueen <BratSAmaranthQu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Has-Been, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >>April 20, 2009... > >Why have you just posted a double copy of the same message? Especially >since it's the same text as your original post at the start of this >thread? It's because people who tend to believe the nonsense put out by Age of Autism think that everybody else is as dumb as they are and need to be told things more than once. They also seem to think that something untrue becomes truer with repetition. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > It's because people who tend to believe the nonsense put out by Age of > Autism think that everybody else is as dumb as they are and need to be > told things more than once. They also seem to think that something > untrue becomes truer with repetition. Pea Brain(PB - ratbag), You're brilliant!? > >>April 20, 2009... > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was > affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and > parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at www.autismismedical.com. The website is excellent and contains all the availabel facts supporting the claims that autism is caused by the environment, vaccines, toxins, etc. In fact, I am CERTAIN that every single fact ever produced proving that is now contained on that website. Click on it and see. > > Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was > > affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Click on it and see. Ugh... typical autism website: Puzzle pieces galore (don't even get me started on how much I *hate* that symbol!) Here is the opening message from the home page: "We want to thank you for visiting Autism Is Medical! We can’t wait to get started. Our website is currently under construction but we will blog weekly with interesting “tid bits” and “thoughts of the day”. " (Boy oh boy... I can't wait - not) Oh... and the spiel by the title: "...to educate doctors and parents about the underlying medical conditions and environmental insults that place our children on the autism spectrum." I'll tell you who this insults: Me. I'd like to create a little site and have it say something to the effect of "...to educate doctors and parents about the underlying medical conditions and constant media-laden insults that irritate and hold people on the autism spectrum back from getting anywhere in life." Has anyone read the latest in Time Magazine about autistic adults and how we suffer? Mark, please tell me that you posted this in sarcasm and not as a legitimate page... :^) Arak /|\ >>>Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was >>>affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Arak /|\ I think Mark's point is the site has no evidence whatsoever. It is just an "under construction" page. > > > Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was > > > affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Has anyone read the latest in Time Magazine about autistic adults and > how we suffer? B-b-b-b-b-ut, according to GR, you do not exist. There are no autistic adults. That is what they say. > Mark, please tell me that you posted this in sarcasm and not as a > legitimate page... :^) Ack! You saw right through me. Call me Mr. Glass. BTW, do you always rush to be the first to tell the punchline? :) >> Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was >> affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Click on it and see. I like the way it includes all the facts coming from Jenny McCarthy. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com Has-Been(Disbarred Comic), I don't follow your bogus links. > > Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was > > affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Click on it and see. Hi a.shole! > I don't follow your bogus links. Listen, anus, the link is NOT mine. Nope. No way. It was in the article YOU posted that came from the cesspool, oops! I meant AgeOfAutism. Obviously, you did not bother to read the links in the article YOU posted. Once again, proving that you are an intellectually bankrupt a.shole. Please keep making it this easy. > > > Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was > > > affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > Click on it and see.- > Hi a.shole! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Please keep making it this easy. a.sholes are better by the bowlful. ' The Federal Drug Administration (FDA) has made the claim that Cheerios, yes breakfast favorite, Cheerios, should be treated as "drug because the product is intended for use in the prevention, mitigation, and treatment of disease". ' http://www.midwestagnet.com/Global/story.asp?S=10375789&nav=menu1585_4 > > Hi a.shole! > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I over dosed this morning. I had an extra large bowl. > > > Hi a.shole! > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > I over dosed this morning. I had an extra large bowl. Insofar as they are artificially sweetened, Fruit Loops™ and Frosted Flakes™ do not claim to enhance health. They are exempt from regulation by this route. > Insofar as they are artificially sweetened, Fruit Loops™ and Frosted > Flakes™ do not claim to enhance health. They are exempt from > regulation by this route. Raving Loon, Are you coo coo for cocoa puffs? I would have never guessed!?! > > > > Hi a.shole! > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > http://imgur.com/jueru.jpg Coo Coo, I don't follow the links of 'Loons'. > >http://imgur.com/jueru.jpg- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Hi a.shole! > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Flakes™ do not claim to enhance health. They are exempt from > regulation by this route. Yeah, but I like to supplement the Cheerios with fruit. Right now, Long Island strawberries are worth dying for. One of my friends lives right near one of the bigger farms and he hauls in a box or two every day. - Hide quoted text - > - Show quoted text - Filth! > Hi a.shole! > Listen, anus > intellectually bankrupt a.shole. Disbarred Attorney(Has-Been), The link you provided is posted within the article I provided. I do not follow every reference/source/additional info lead from every article or book I ever read. I was aware that that site is under construction. You're the one that posted that link as an individual prank/humor link within this thread. What is so sinister about that link? What point are you trying to make? Go read your comic books. > Hi a.shole! > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Filth! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I do not follow every reference/source/additional info lead > from every article or book I ever read. Oh? How narrow minded. Not looking to expand your knowledge. > I was aware that that site is under construction. Now you say it. Sure. > You're the one that posted that link as an individual prank/humor > link within this thread. Yep. It was kinda funny. However, fact-less postings are the forte of AoA. Seems that is typial of the places where you dwell. > What is so sinister about that link? Nothing is sinister. It was just typical of the antis...accepting everything at face value. > What point are you trying to make? That you are a dunce. > Go read your comic books. Nah. I prefer books with big words. > > Hi a.shole! > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > > Go read your comic books. > > Nah. I prefer books with big words. Einstein, Can you spell 'moron'? Let me give you a hint, it's not 'm-a-r-o-o-n'. > > Filth! > [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > > > Go read your comic books. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Let me give you a hint, > it's not 'm-a-r-o-o-n'. Too easy: r-p-a-u-t-r-e-y-2 > > > Filth! > [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > - Show quoted text - http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM By Jill Rubolino In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual, exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to provide the already affected children with proper medical care and treatment. In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal variation of childhood. This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site their references, how many parents ask them to explain that information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether. Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM. Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by environmental insult, including vaccines. The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause, not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly denied its medical or biochemical component except autism. No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred to as gross malpractice. The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again, hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet, they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux, relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore us, because they can. Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional. That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are rarely followed appropriately. Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction, mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness, all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children, we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired. It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one case, one precedent. Change will happen. The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent, mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol, mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies, information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on national television and tout that everything is okay. This political, money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off this planet in an upward direction, sir. I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you know, the placating one you get when you start to talk gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here right now, I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.” So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance. Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at www.autismismedical.com. >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM Interesting idea. But you better read this: http://www.pharmamafia.com SignatureDIE ERSTE REIMBIBEL SEIT DEM MITTELALTER http://www.reimbibel.de I don't follow loon links. > >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://www.reimbibel.de >I don't follow loon links. Oh, you would see many surprises. >> >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> http://www.reimbibel.de SignatureDIE ERSTE REIMBIBEL SEIT DEM MITTELALTER http://www.reimbibel.de http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c April 20, 2009 Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM By Jill Rubolino In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual, exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to provide the already affected children with proper medical care and treatment. In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal variation of childhood. This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site their references, how many parents ask them to explain that information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether. Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM. Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by environmental insult, including vaccines. The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause, not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly denied its medical or biochemical component except autism. No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred to as gross malpractice. The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again, hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet, they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux, relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore us, because they can. Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional. That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are rarely followed appropriately. Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction, mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness, all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children, we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired. It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one case, one precedent. Change will happen. The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent, mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol, mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies, information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on national television and tout that everything is okay. This political, money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off this planet in an upward direction, sir. I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you know, the placating one you get when you start to talk gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here right now, I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.” So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance. Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at www.autismismedical.com. http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM By Jill Rubolino In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual, exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to provide the already affected children with proper medical care and treatment. In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal variation of childhood. This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site their references, how many parents ask them to explain that information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether. Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM. Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by environmental insult, including vaccines. The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause, not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly denied its medical or biochemical component except autism. No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred to as gross malpractice. The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again, hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet, they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux, relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore us, because they can. Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional. That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are rarely followed appropriately. Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction, mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness, all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children, we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired. It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one case, one precedent. Change will happen. The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent, mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol, mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies, information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on national television and tout that everything is okay. This political, money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off this planet in an upward direction, sir. I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you know, the placating one you get when you start to talk gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here right now, I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.” So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance. Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at www.autismismedical.com. in Parent Warriors | Permalink Digg This | Save to del.icio.us TrackBack TrackBack URL for this entry: http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8357f3f2969e2011570271d22970b Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM: Comments Sandy, I find that your sentiments concerning not all kids on the spectrum having medical issues is standard talk on some of the more conservative Asperger forums. So many of those parents think their Aspies and High Functioning kids don't have medical issues and yet most have never even done the appropriate lab tests to be making those assertions. Those are the same parents who usually leave hateful messages about Jenny McCarthy and parents who choose to selectively vaccinate or not vaccinate at all. I don't even know who you're referring to when you talk about hoping more parents stand up against "you and your group". I don't believe there is ONE group. If individual families and families helping families with medical, sped issues, insurance issues, ASD adult work and living arrangements, etc., etc., constitutes "our group", then who is in your group? It's rather silly and divisive. I suggest you stick around and keep an open mind. http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c April 20, 2009 Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM By Jill Rubolino In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual, exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to provide the already affected children with proper medical care and treatment. In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal variation of childhood. This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site their references, how many parents ask them to explain that information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether. Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM. Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by environmental insult, including vaccines. The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause, not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly denied its medical or biochemical component except autism. No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred to as gross malpractice. The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again, hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet, they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux, relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore us, because they can. Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional. That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are rarely followed appropriately. Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction, mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness, all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children, we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired. It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one case, one precedent. Change will happen. The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent, mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol, mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies, information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on national television and tout that everything is okay. This political, money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off this planet in an upward direction, sir. I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you know, the placating one you get when you start to talk gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here right now, I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.” So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance. Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at www.autismismedical.com. http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c April 20, 2009 Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM By Jill Rubolino In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual, exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to provide the already affected children with proper medical care and treatment. In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal variation of childhood. This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site their references, how many parents ask them to explain that information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether. Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM. Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by environmental insult, including vaccines. The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause, not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly denied its medical or biochemical component except autism. No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred to as gross malpractice. The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again, hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet, they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux, relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore us, because they can. Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional. That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are rarely followed appropriately. Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction, mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness, all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children, we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired. It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one case, one precedent. Change will happen. The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent, mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol, mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies, information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on national television and tout that everything is okay. This political, money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off this planet in an upward direction, sir. I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you know, the placating one you get when you start to talk gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here right now, I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.” So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance. Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at www.autismismedical.com. http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c On Jun 23, 3:16 pm, rpautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote: ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxUm-2x-2dM > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-i... > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-i... I am so sorry to hear that your cesspool overflowed and affected your computer. http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c April 20, 2009 Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM By Jill Rubolino In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual, exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to provide the already affected children with proper medical care and treatment. In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging our children's medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal variation of childhood. This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site their references, how many parents ask them to explain that information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities 'til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether. Down's syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM. Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by environmental insult, including vaccines. The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause, not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly denied its medical or biochemical component except autism. No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in treating their autistic patients' symptoms first can only be referred to as gross malpractice. The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again, hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet, they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while they ignored that same child's obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux, relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore us, because they can. Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional. That's right. Your pediatrician doesn't have to worry about being sued for your child's descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are rarely followed appropriately. Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction, mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness, all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers' own recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children, we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired. It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross negligence by a physician even if it's one of our kids. You are not protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one case, one precedent. Change will happen. The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent, mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol, mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies, information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for anyone who wasn't deluding themselves that they can still go on national television and tout that everything is okay. This political, money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall and so will vaccine pushers. And I'm thinking of one gentleman in particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off this planet in an upward direction, sir. I'll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you know, the placating one you get when you start to talk gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, "Why do you look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you just not aware how negligent you have been in my child's care? Why did you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in receipt of that condescending look, you don't even realize that every new piece of information I have found out about my child's medical condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here right now, I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it." So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while we might be the government's scapegoat right now, that curtain will come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my friends, you won't be able to afford your malpractice insurance. Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her husband Richard, is currently working on her son's recovery and returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at www.autismismedical.com. http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c >Autism is Not Mental Illness But it happens to be in the brain... Signature"Die Frau ist ein Mißgriff der Natur... mit ihrem Feuchtigkeits-Überschuß und ihrer Untertemperatur körperlich und geistig minderwertiger... eine Art verstümmelter, verfehlter, mißlungener Mann...die volle Verwirklichung der menschlichen Art ist nur der Mann." Thomas von Aquin, hl., Kirchenlehrer, 1225-1274 Heilsames über christliche Lebensart: http://www.reimbibel.de >>Autism is Not Mental Illness > >But it happens to be in the brain... The people who repetitively post the article have no need of brains, so they won't get your point. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >Autism is Not Mental Illness > > But it happens to be in the brain... It happens to involve the whole nervous system, and other systems (digestive, etc.) for some of us. Not just the brain. Arak /|\ >>>Autism is Not Mental Illness >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Arak /|\ Arak is right. It's much more correct to say it happens to be in the genes. >> >Autism is Not Mental Illness >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Arak /|\ Are you autistic? Signature"Wo sich ein Priester aufhält, darf kein Weib eintreten." Synode von Paris, 846 "In keiner Religion oder Weltanschauung ist die Frau so geachtet und geehrt wie im Christentum!" Der katholische Theologe Bernhard Häring im 20. Jahrhundert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.reimbibel.de <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>Autism is Not Mental Illness >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Are you autistic? Oyster, do the words "Well, duh!" mean anything in particular to you? Just asking. > Are you autistic? Yes, I am. Diagnosed at 2 years. >> Are you autistic? > >Yes, I am. Diagnosed at 2 years. There is a broad range from being unable to talk to only be a bit shy. I know, that some people only can communicate via a computer. How are you doing? Signature"Ein männlicher Fötus wird nach 40 Tagen, ein weiblicher nach 80 Tagen ein Mensch. Mädchen entstehen durch schadhaften Samen oder feuchte Winde." Thomas von Aquin, Kirchenlehrer und Patron der katholischen Hochschulen ** ** Religion ist Teufelszeug: http://www.reimbibel.de ** ** >>>Are you autistic? >> >>Yes, I am. Diagnosed at 2 years. > > There is a broad range from being unable to talk to only be a bit shy. I know, > that some people only can communicate via a computer. How are you doing? You have an odd and simplistic view of autism. I suppose it is not surprising given the current propaganda. > >> Are you autistic? > > >Yes, I am. Diagnosed at 2 years. > > There is a broad range from being unable to talk to only be a bit shy. I know, > that some people only can communicate via a computer. How are you doing? I'm an oddball autistic in that I am fully able to communicate verbally and I am not shy (although I used to be). If I were to be diagnosed today instead of in 1978 like I originally was, they'd probably diagnose me with Asperger's Syndrome. They might not diagnose me at all if I went in on a good day because I don't really have any drastic impairments that would preclude an official diagnosis. However, when I was diagnosed at the age of 2, I could not speak, I flapped my hands, screamed, spun around, etc. Originally, they didn't know what to make of it because I was too high functioning back then. It was a residential institution run by an autism society that finally gave me the diagnosis. They didn't take people under the age of 6 back then, but they took me in anyway (my parents were pretty convincing I guess). They did Lovaas Style ABA on me and apparently, I was fine after that. I started speaking at a high school level and could also read at that level. (I learned to read before I could talk - I was 3 and a half when I finally started talking) I've had a number of residual problems related to that treatment which I have talked about enough here.(If you really want to see the story, you can read my blog posting about it here:http://djdialogue143.blogspot.com/ 2007_01_01_archive.html) Back in the late 70's you were either severely autistic or not autistic at all. My "recovery" was nothing short of amazing back then and I ended up going to a regular school, etc. after getting occupational therapy and such done when I was about 4. I graduated high school in 1993 and went on to college to become a medical assistant. I've held numerous jobs and moved out of my parents' house when I was 19 because I did not want to depend on anyone, especially the system. Most of my issues are sensory which I have taught myself to control (smell, light, sound and touch are the worst for me). I also have some other issues with digestion, racing thoughts, etc. I often ask myself: was I really autistic when I was diagnosed or undergoing serious sensory and stomach issues which caused me to revert to primitive coping behaviours. (At 2, how many kids can accurately communicate constant headaches or nausea?) Usually, a small child in extreme distress will resort to rocking, screaming (in pain and frustration) and anything else to try and relieve the problem. My childhood was full of pain, stomach issues and problems with lighting (headaches), smells, noises that were too loud and horrible depth perception which led to some scary situations until I got glasses. I asked my mother whether I really was autistic and she blew a fit, saying that I was and they went through hell, etc. Since that explosion, I have not bothered asking again. :^) Up until grade 11, I was incredibly socially awkward and could not communicate very well. Some things in my life helped to change that for me: 1. My high school - Alternative High School was a smaller school that focused on academics and building positive relationships (as opposed to the regular system). I gained a lot of confidence because of the school's "tribal" was of operating. Weekly meetings using Robert's Rules of Order were conducted by the students to make decisions on school issues, operations, purchases, etc. We learned responsibility very quickly and I found myself growing as a person. Picking on people was not allowed and many of the students there were there because they didn't get along too well with people at their old schools (The old pack animal mentality) or they didn't like the structure. Therefore, I made lots of friends and I am still friends with many of these people today. 2. Toastmasters - I joined Toastmasters in 2003 and this is where I've learned most of my social and communications skills. Through the positive support I've received, I have become a much better communicator and have a better handle on social skills than I did when I was a child. Now, I am married, own a house, work and am attending university via correspondence to obtain a degree in psychology. This all came as a surprise to my parents who were given the traditional "doom and gloom" prognosis. It came as a surprise to the doctors who diagnosed me too. My hope is to eventually open a practice counseling teens and adults on the autism spectrum since a lot of damage seems to be done in childhood with traditional therapies, attitudes, etc. If you do doubt my diagnosis, I'd love to see how my mother would react. (I'll just be sure to leave the room) Arak /|\ > >Autism is Not Mental Illness > > But it happens to be in the brain... So does a stroke. So does brain cancer. I was diagnosed with something like that when I was young but the treatment caused an illness worse than the disease which in my case was non-existant the "doctor" just wanted to make money out of my very volnurable single parent. He lied, and lied assaulted me and lied all the way to the bank. SignatureChris. Remove ns_ to reply On Jun 23, 3:16 pm, rpautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote: > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-i... > http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-i... I am so sorry to hear that your cesspool overflowed and affected your computer. > I was diagnosed with something like Like what? I commented that someone's cesspool overflowed. > that when I was young but the treatment > caused an illness worse than the disease which in my case was non-existant I see. How much medical training did you receive in kindergarten? > the "doctor" just wanted to make money out of my very volnurable single > parent. He lied, and lied assaulted me and lied all the way to the bank. Interesting. Were you with him while he was going to the bank? If he was lying so much, why did he not lose his way? > -- > Chris. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I am so sorry to hear that your cesspool overflowed and affected your > computer. http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c April 20, 2009 Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM By Jill Rubolino In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual, exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to provide the already affected children with proper medical care and treatment. In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal variation of childhood. This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site their references, how many parents ask them to explain that information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether. Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM. Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by environmental insult, including vaccines. The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause, not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly denied its medical or biochemical component except autism. No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred to as gross malpractice. The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again, hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet, they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux, relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore us, because they can. Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional. That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are rarely followed appropriately. Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction, mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness, all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children, we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired. It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one case, one precedent. Change will happen. The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent, mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol, mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies, information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on national television and tout that everything is okay. This political, money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off this planet in an upward direction, sir. I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you know, the placating one you get when you start to talk gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here right now, I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.” So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance. Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at www.autismismedical.com. On Jun 25, 7:09 pm, rpautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote: ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82eeww2m_R0 http://www.ageofautism.com/a-welcome-from-dan-olmste.html A Letter from the Editor Welcome to The Age of Autism, the the nation's first daily Web newspaper for the environmental-biomedical community – those who believe autism is an environmentally induced illness, that it is treatable, and that children can recover. For the most part, the major media in the United States aren't interested in that point of view, they won't investigate the causes and possible biomedical treatments of autism independently, and they don't listen to the most important voices – those of the parents. We will do all those things, and more. To illustrate the difference The Age of Autism will make, consider the way the Baltimore Sun edited a story about Jenny McCarthy, who believes that vaccines triggered her child's autism and that biomedical treatments are a big part of his remarkable and ongoing improvement. Here are phrases that were taken out of the story that originally ran in the Chicago Tribune, as noted by Anne Dachel, who will be Age of Autism's media editor: 1) Autism is "something McCarthy believes was triggered by vaccines." Deleted. 2) "It's not just that she is voicing the same thing parents have been saying for years ('We vaccinated our babies and something happened') on high-profile programs such as The Oprah Winfrey Show and Larry King Live." Deleted. 3) "DAN! also provides contacts for the approximately 600 doctors in the U.S. who use complementary and alternative therapies to treat autism." Deleted. 4) "McCarthy wasn't about to wait for evidence-based medicine; she felt she had a limited window of time to pull her son back into this world." Deleted. What the (deleted)!? And what an irony that Baltimore is where autism was first diagnosed, and that the Johns Hopkins psychiatrist who did so was the first of many to miss the environmental clues that could have kept hundreds of thousands more cases from ever happening. How can we trust the mainstream media to cover the autism epidemic when they themselves censor important information and skew the discussion toward the tired old genetic argument? Even the fact that autism rates are soaring – self-evident to anyone with eyes to see, and clear evidence of an environmental trigger – is treated as a big question mark by the media and public health officials. At The Age of Autism, we're not going to let those suffering from epidemic denial -- E.D., as our editor-at-large Mark Blaxill calls it -- waste our time or delay urgent research into What's Going On (the apt name of Mark's new column for us). As many of you know, I wrote the Age of Autism column for United Press International for two years, and I became convinced by my own reporting that autism's origins are recent -- triggered by something new in the environment -- and that treatment can work. I located the very first case ever described in the medical literature, Donald T., and heard from his brother the remarkable story of Donald's recovery from severe autism when gold salts were used to treat his juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, an autoimmune disease. To state the obvious: The very first case of autism recovered with biomedical treatment, but the doctors ignored it because they were so busy blaming parents. Now they don't blame parents for causing autism, they just blame them for trying to do anything about it. I'm proud to team up with several people who have done a great deal about it, both for their own children and for the autism community at large: Managing Editor Kim Stagliano, mom of three autistic daughters who still found time to write for Rescue Post and for Huffington Post with a brand of hard-won humor that is uniquely hers; and editors-at- large J.B. Handley of Generation Rescue and Mark Blaxill. All were instrumental in bringing this site to life, along with our founding sponsors SafeMinds, Generation Rescue and TACA. The Age of Autism will be wide-open and transparent in its reporting and commentary on causes and treatments; I am beholden to no individual, organization or fixed point of view. My commitment is to in-depth reporting. I am not a social worker or an autism parent, I'm a journalist drawn to what I called, in my last UPI column, "the story of a lifetime." Based on my own work, I do believe mercury – including the horrendously neurotoxic ethyl mercury in vaccines – is clearly implicated in the rise of autism, and that its continued use in flu shots for children and pregnant women is catastrophic. So is the expanding use of thimerosal in vaccines shipped to developing countries where (no surprise) autism rates are soaring. Again, the apologists talk of cultural differences and better diagnosis; for the real story, see my interview with a husband and wife team who watched autism come to India, along with new shots, over the past few years. Generation Rescue, whose Rescue Post is being incorporated into The Age of Autism, did a phone survey showing much lowers rates of neurodevelopmental disorders, including autism, in never-vaccinated kids. That study demonstrated by example that such children are not at all hard to find in the United States, contrary to the protests of the CDC. Again, the media ignored this startling survey when they weren't belittling it – another sign of journalistic group-think from those who believe whatever "the experts" tell them. We're not going to settle for that. We'll follow the truth wherever it leads, and we hope you'll come along with us and, if you can manage it, donate to The Age of Autism and help us pursue this story. Fasten your seat belts – it's going to be a bumpy ride. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c April 20, 2009 Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM By Jill Rubolino In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual, exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to provide the already affected children with proper medical care and treatment. In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal variation of childhood. This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site their references, how many parents ask them to explain that information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether. Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM. Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by environmental insult, including vaccines. The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause, not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly denied its medical or biochemical component except autism. No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred to as gross malpractice. The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again, hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet, they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux, relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore us, because they can. Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional. That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are rarely followed appropriately. Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction, mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness, all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children, we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired. It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one case, one precedent. Change will happen. The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent, mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol, mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies, information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on national television and tout that everything is okay. This political, money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off this planet in an upward direction, sir. I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you know, the placating one you get when you start to talk gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here right now, I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.” So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance. Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at www.autismismedical.com. On Jun 25, 10:58 pm, rpautrey2 <rpautr...@gmail.com> wrote:... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqBaoslROgg Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM > http://www.ageofautism.com/a-welcome-from-dan-olmste.html > [quoted text clipped - 250 lines] > parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at > www.autismismedical.com. >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM It is only a problem of the digestive tract? In case of people who think with their digestive tract, things are complicated... They do not know where the brain is... Some even claim they are inventors... >I invented an electronic sinus drainage method. Invented? Ha! Paul Autrey of Biloxi advertises for dangerous quackery of Hulda Clark. Here we got him: http://educate-yourself.org/lte/electrificationideas19mar04.shtml <quote> Educate-Yourself The Freedom of Knowledge, The Power of Thought © Letters to The Editor Boioelectrification Ideas for Sinusitis http://educate-yourself.org/lte/electrificationideas19mar04.shtml March 19, 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: Pautrey2@aol.com ************************************* To: Editor@educate-yourself.org Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Beck Blood Electrifier In Nostrils - Sinusitis You can use the the device to treat and cure sinusitis by placing the electodes into each nostril and gently rubbing the upper part of the nostrils.Be patient,it may take several minutes until they drain or you sneeze.Repeat often, it may take time. Bad intestinal flora will change sinus flora and open you up to infection,diet may need to be changed.You can drain infection that has been with you since birth.Many psychological,cognitive, and neurological problems can be alleviated with this method. Complementary therpies - raw garlic and buttermilk / yogurt for flora restoration , colloidal silver spray (homemade) , distilled drinking water , etc. Do not take antibiotics. PAUL AUTREY ************************************* </quote> Ain't that satanic? Signature**** WARNING **** The web-hoster Globat.com steals money from your credit card account. If you are a customer of Globat.com, never give them any credit card information. If you can't erase the information, then do delete the old card and get a new one! **** WARNING **** > >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > them any credit card information. 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If you can't erase the information, > then do delete the old card and get a new one! **** WARNING **** How long? http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/autism-is-not-mental-illness-get-it-out-of-th e-dsm.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e201156f397fee970c April 20, 2009 Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM By Jill Rubolino In this month of Autism Awareness, I am ever so aware of the great disparity for our children on the autism spectrum regarding their diagnosis and healthcare. It brings to light some major changes that need to take place in order to not only stop the perpetual, exponentially expanding numbers of children developing autism, but to provide the already affected children with proper medical care and treatment. In a health care community that listed homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder on the DSM until 1973, and recognizes alcoholism, addiction and obesity as diseases, our children are suffering and being denied proper medical attention. Not only are our doctors not acknowledging our children’s medical ailments, they are flat out denying to us that they are occurring or that somehow these conditions are some normal variation of childhood. This needs to stop immediately. It will only stop when parents demand competent and educated pediatricians for their children and settle for nothing less. We must no longer listen to the false and unsubstantiated litany of canned text responses we hear from uninformed, uneducated pediatricians and specialists. We must no longer accept the standard answers that all refer back to one, already discredited study, regarding vaccine safety. When pediatricians site their references, how many parents ask them to explain that information? How many doctors could? And yet, how many parents that we know can site study after study, and explain biochemical abnormalities ‘til the cows come home?Autism as a diagnosis must be removed from the DSM. Period. It is a medical disorder, with many causes, some of them genetic and totally unrelated to a psychiatric diagnosis altogether. Down’s syndrome is a medical diagnosis, has an identifiable genetic abnormality, and a range of associated features also affecting that person developmentally. It is not, however, diagnosed using the DSM. Autism is not currently recognized as a medical disorder because, if not diagnosed as a known genetic cause, it is a disorder caused by environmental insult, including vaccines. The resulting medical problems are symptoms of the underlying cause, not the disorder itself. But because this medical disorder is caused by vaccines given to our children by the very people who are supposed to care for them and keep them healthy, it will not be recognized as such. No other disorder, psychiatric or otherwise, is so blatantly denied its medical or biochemical component except autism. No amount of early detection or early intervention will reverse a disease process unless it is treated medically. It is a process, that left untreated, will perpetuate itself to variable degrees in each individual with sometimes irreversible and devastating effects. The medical community turning its back on basic medical principles in treating their autistic patients’ symptoms first can only be referred to as gross malpractice. The pediatricians that are treating our children should be ashamed and embarrassed at their complete negligence and incompetence in recognizing a pattern of symptoms that is seen over and over again, hundreds, and thousands of times in this patient population. And yet, they cling to their outdated, obviously inadequate standard answers and bury their heads in the sand while our children suffer and sink deeper and deeper into Autism. Every parent of an autistic child has heard some ridiculous, condescending statement from a physician while they ignored that same child’s obvious vaccine reaction, or explosive diarrhea, abdominal pain, mysterious rash, poor weight gain, reflux, relentless fever, immune dysfunction, and on, and on. And they ignore us, because they can. Pediatricians, vaccine manufacturers, the CDC, and our federal government are all protected under laws that are unconstitutional. That’s right. Your pediatrician doesn’t have to worry about being sued for your child’s descent into Autism after their MMR, or Proquad because the US Federal Government says so. Even though adequate informed consent is never provided, and protocols for vaccinating are rarely followed appropriately. Children get vaccinated without being screened for immune dysfunction, mitochondrial disorders, and even when they have a febrile illness, all inappropriate according to the vaccine makers’ own recommendations. Yet, where are all the suits being filed for this obvious malpractice? Because, as parents, we are spending every waking moment and every dime we have trying to recover our children, we have no resources to venture into this legal arena with special masters and shorter statute of limitations. In a country where the father of a child that resulted from a rape has a legal right to that child, our children have no legal rights. By the time we navigate the myriad of professionals that are deemed qualified to diagnose our children as autistic, our statute of limitations has already expired. It will take one individual with deep pockets and a fire burning in their soul, to bring change. There is no exemption for gross negligence by a physician even if it’s one of our kids. You are not protected under the umbrella of indifference. It will only take one case, one precedent. Change will happen. The controversy about vaccines rages on, but only in the minds of those officials who are themselves, responsible for the conspiracy to conceal the truth about vaccines. All of the supposed nonexistent, mainstream medical studies that apply to vaccines, and thimerosol, mitochondrial disorder and dysfunction, seizure disorder, aluminum etc. are all easily accessed by anyone with a computer and half a brain. This may explain why the officials, that coincidentally have some type of connection to vaccine manufacturers, cannot seem to find them. All of the necessary medical documentation, studies, information, case studies, etc. are there and readily available for anyone who wasn’t deluding themselves that they can still go on national television and tout that everything is okay. This political, money driven quagmire will come to an end. Big tobacco took a fall and so will vaccine pushers. And I’m thinking of one gentleman in particular, I think we all know who that is, you will not make it off this planet in an upward direction, sir. I’ll leave you with the thought that for the same reasons that people fought for civil rights, government officials are impeached, landmark cases are won, people have overcome adversity throughout history to affect change, we must do the same for our cause. I will pledge from this day forward that the next time I get that look from a doctor, you know, the placating one you get when you start to talk gastrointestinal, I will put my foot down. I will say, “Why do you look at me that way? Do you not believe what I am saying or are you just not aware how negligent you have been in my child’s care? Why did you not recommend a genetic work up for my child? Why have you not tested his lead level before now? Why is it that while I sit here in receipt of that condescending look, you don’t even realize that every new piece of information I have found out about my child’s medical condition is because I looked for it and not you? As we sit here right now, I know infinitely more about how to treat the medical condition of autism than you, and quite frankly, you should be on the receiving end of that very same look you are giving me. As we sit here and you comment on how well my child is doing, and how far he has come, it is only because of me, and not you, acting as his medical professional and managing his care, and at the same time, being damn good at it.” So pediatricians, and specialists be aware and beware. We will no longer tolerate substandard, negligent care for our kids. And while we might be the government’s scapegoat right now, that curtain will come down, and they will sell you out just as fast. And then my friends, you won’t be able to afford your malpractice insurance. Jill Rubolino is the mother of two beautiful children, one who was affected by vaccines and diagnosed with PDD-NOS. She, along with her husband Richard, is currently working on her son’s recovery and returning his body to a healthy state. Jill has been a nurse for fifteen years and is appalled at the lack of appropriate medical care for ASD kids. Along with friend Jeanna Reed (fellow nurse and mom to a vaccine injured son) they plan to do something about it. Their company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found at www.autismismedical.com. > http://www.ageofautism.com/a-welcome-from-dan-olmste.html > [quoted text clipped - 248 lines] > company, Autism Is Medical, Inc., focuses on educating doctors and > parents and bridging the gap between them. They can be found atwww.autismismedical.com. >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM Very funny. To copy papers is no sign of understanding them. SignatureHerausforderung an die Universität Leipzig http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho12.htm > >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho12.htm Cyberstalking and childish comments on everything I post is a sign of severe mental illness & stupidity. >> >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Cyberstalking and childish comments on everything >I post is a sign of severe mental illness & stupidity. Says Ralph Paul Autrey, Jr., who calls others "Whore". See here: > > >Probiotic Effects on Cold and Influenza-Like Symptom Incidence and > > >Duration in Children Source: Pediatrics, Aug 2009 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Whore(HO), ************ SignatureWie man sich mit Homöopathie umbringt: http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho11.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_home.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_kind.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom2.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom4.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom5.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom6.htm HO, What do you contribute? What are you? >HO, > >What do you contribute? > >What are you? That is none of you business. SignatureWie man sich mit Homöopathie umbringt: http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_ho11.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_home.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_kind.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom2.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom4.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom5.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_hom6.htm >> >Autism is Not Mental Illness: Get it Out of the DSM >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Cyberstalking and childish comments Are what we often see from you. >everything >I post is a sign of severe mental illness & stupidity. agree with this statement. SignatureBob Officer Posting the truth http://www.skeptics.com.au Flora = Psora http://judson.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/microbes-r-us/?pagemode=print July 21, 2009, 9:30 pm Microbes ‘R’ Us Agence France-Presse/Getty Images There are 150 species right at your fingertips. This week, the 40th anniversary of the first moon landing, there’s much talk of exploring other worlds. Which is exciting and grand; such is the stuff that dreams are made on. Yet we don’t need to go abroad to find amazing new life forms. We just need to look at the palms of our hands, the tips of our fingers, the contents of our guts. The typical human is home to a vast array of microbes. If you were to count them, you’d find that microbial cells outnumber your own by a factor of 10. On a cell-by-cell basis, then, you are only 10 percent human. For the rest, you are microbial. (Why don’t you see this when you look in the mirror? Because most of the microbes are bacteria, and bacterial cells are generally much smaller than animal cells. They may make up 90 percent of the cells, but they’re not 90 percent of your bulk.) This much has been known for a long time. Yet it’s only now, with the revolution in biotechnology, that we’re able to do detailed studies of which microbes are there, which genes they have, and what they’re doing. We’re just at the start, and there are far more questions than answers. But already, the results are astonishing, and the implications profound. Even on your skin, the diversity of bacteria is prodigious. If you were to have your hands sampled, you’d probably find that each fingertip has a distinct set of residents; your palms probably also differ markedly from each other, each home to more than 150 species, but with fewer than 20 percent of the species the same. And if you’re a woman, odds are you’ll have more species than the man next to you. Why should this be? So far, no one knows. But it’s the bacteria in the digestive tract, especially the gut, that intrigue me most. Many of these appear to be true symbionts: they have evolved to live in guts and (as far as we know) are not found elsewhere. In providing their habitat — a constant temperature, some protection from hostile lifeforms and regular influxes of food — we are as essential to them as they are to us. And they definitely are essential to us. Gut bacteria play crucial roles in digesting food and modulating the immune system. They make small molecules that we need in order for our enzymes to work properly. They interact with us, altering which of our genes get turned on and off in cells in the intestinal walls. Some evidence suggests that they are essential for the building of a normal heart. Finally, it seems likely that gut bacteria will turn out to affect appetite, as well as other aspects of our behavior, though no one has shown this yet. (Imagine the plea: I’m sorry, sir, my microbes made me do it.) Together, your gut microbes provide you with a pool of genes far larger than that found in the human genome. Indeed, the gut “microbiome,” as it is known, is thought to contain at least 100 times more genes than the human genome. Moreover, whereas humans are extremely similar to one another at the level of the genome, the microbiome appears to differ markedly from one person to the next. What determines these differences? Good question. Diet has some effect: a diet rich in sugars and fats reduces the diversity of gut bacteria, and shifts the balance towards those that are more efficient at extracting energy. Start eating more plants and you can shift the balance back, and increase the diversity of your gut microbes. Your own genetic background may play a role as well, though we are far from understanding how, or how much. It probably also matters which other microbes are present: as in any ecosystem, relationships among different inhabitants are likely to be complex. (At this point, I’d like to introduce a caveat. We know that the diversity of microbial species differs between your gut and mine, and that the less related we are, the more that will be true. Family members tend to have more similar gut microbes than nonrelatives, and preliminary evidence suggests that geography matters, too. So the gut microbes of people in China are different from those of people in the United States — though whether this is due to diet, human genes or geography is entirely unknown. But despite this variation at the species level, we don’t yet know how much variation there is at the genetic level. It may be that different sets of gut microbes provide broadly equivalent sets of genes.) Naturally, a huge effort is now under way to see whether differences in gut bacteria are responsible for differences in health. But what interests me most about all this is that it suggests another mode of human evolution. Bacteria evolve quickly: they can go through many thousands of generations for every human one. This has two potential consequences. First, during your lifetime, your bacteria can change their genes even though you cannot change yours. (You do have some flexibility: your immune system has a built-in capacity to change.) It may be that gut bacteria evolve in response to short-term changes in the environment, especially exposure to food- borne diseases. They may thus act as an evolving supplement to the immune system. The second potential consequence is further reaching. Because bacteria can evolve so fast, it may be that some of what we think of as human evolution — like the ability to digest new diets that accompanied the invention of agriculture — is actually bacterial evolution. We know that hostile bacteria — those that cause diseases in ourselves and our domestic plants and animals — have undergone dramatic genetic changes in the last 10,000 years. Perhaps our friendly bacteria have, too. Notes: For human cells being outnumbered by microbial cells by a factor of 10, see Savage, D. C. 1977. “Microbial ecology of the gastrointestinal tract.” Annual Review of Microbiology 31: 107-133. For new techniques in analyzing microbes that we cannot grow in the laboratory see, for example, Marcy, Y. et al. 2007. “Dissecting biological ‘dark matter’ with single-cell genetic analysis of rare and uncultivated TM7 microbes from the human mouth.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA 104: 11889-11894. For bacteria living on hands, see Fierer, N. et al. 2008. “The influence of sex, handedness, and washing on the diversity of hand surface bacteria.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA 105: 17994-17999. For gut microbes not being found elsewhere, see Ley, R. E. et al. 2008. “Worlds within worlds: evolution of the vertebrate gut microbiota.” Nature Reviews Microbiology 6: 776-788. For a summary of the essential roles that gut microbes play, see Turnbaugh, P. J. et al. 2007. “The human microbiome project.” Nature 449: 804-810. For estimates of the number of genes contained in the microbiome, see Gill, S. R. et al. 2006. “Metagenomic analysis of the human distal gut microbiome.” Science 312: 1355-1359. For diet affecting human microbial diversity, see Ley, R. E. et al. 2006. “Human gut microbes associated with obesity.” Nature 444: 1022-1023. For “obese” microbes harvesting more energy, see Turnbaugh, P. J. et al. 2006. “An obesity-associated gut microbiome with increased capacity for energy harvest.” Nature 444: 1027-1031. For initial evidence that the genetic background of the host affects which microbes are present, see Rawls, J. F. et al. 2006. “Reciprocal gut microbiota transplants from zebrafish and mice to germ-free recipients reveal host habitat selection.” Cell 127: 423-433. For differences in gut microbes between people in China and the United States, see Li, M. et al. 2008. “Symbiotic gut microbes modulate human metabolic phenotypes.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA 105: 2117-2123. For evidence that different sets of gut microbes can provide broadly equivalent sets of genes, see Turnbaugh, P. J. et al. 2009. “A core gut microbiome in obese and lean twins.” Nature 457: 480-484. For recent and dramatic genetic changes to our hostile bacteria, see Mira, A., Pushker, R. and Rodriguez-Valera F. 2006. “The Neolithic revolution of bacterial genomes.” Trends in Microbiology 14: 200-206. Many thanks to Rob Knight and Jonathan Swire for insights, comments and suggestions. http://judson.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/microbes-r-us/?pagemode=print > On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 09:18:42 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Bob Officer > Posting the truthhttp://www.skeptics.com.au |
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