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Jeanne Clelland - 23 Jun 2004 00:13 GMT What's a good age to get a real bike (with training wheels)? My son is almost 4, and I'm thinking of getting him a bike for his birthday. My main concern is that we live on a hill with a fair bit of traffic, so we don't have a great place for him to practice riding without going somewhere else.
Jeanne
RLK - 23 Jun 2004 00:51 GMT > What's a good age to get a real bike (with training wheels)? My son is > almost 4, and I'm thinking of getting him a bike for his birthday. My > main concern is that we live on a hill with a fair bit of traffic, so we > don't have a great place for him to practice riding without going > somewhere else. DS's been on the Radio Flyer tricycle since 3. He's on the tiny side. We'll probably get a RF bike with training wheels when he turns 5, with a new helmet. I worry about someone snatching him (a child went missing in our area several years ago) so he cannot be out of my sight for even a second. He understands where he's supposed to be at all times. You'll have to put barriers around the area you want him to be in and to go no further. At that age, they don't mind going around in a small area over and over.
If traffic is really that much of a concern, you could also get him a bike with a long handle attached to the back of it, you hold on to the handle while he pedals downhill/uphill etc. I don't know which company makes this, maybe Little Tykes or PlaySkool?
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> If traffic is really that much of a concern, you could also get him a bike > with a long handle attached to the back of it, you hold on to the handle > while he pedals downhill/uphill etc. Sue - 23 Jun 2004 01:46 GMT Hmm, I'm thinking that the girls started riding their bikes around 2ish. Small bikes of course, but they moved on to bigger bikes and eventually to no training wheels when they were around 6-7 years old. We have always lived on a street with sidewalks though and they were allowed to ride up and down our steet, with some bounderies at first. Now that they are 11, 9 and 7, they are riding around the block and up and down our street and going across the street. -- Sue (mom to three girls)
> What's a good age to get a real bike (with training wheels)? My son is > almost 4, and I'm thinking of getting him a bike for his birthday. My [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jeanne toto - 23 Jun 2004 04:54 GMT >Hmm, I'm thinking that the girls started riding their bikes around 2ish. Are you sure? Most two year olds can't peddle at all. The earliest I have seen kids peddle is around 3. And usually that's on tricycles not on bicycles. Do they even make bikes small enough for 2 year olds to reach the peddles?
>Small bikes of course, but they moved on to bigger bikes and eventually to >no training wheels when they were around 6-7 years old. We have always lived >on a street with sidewalks though and they were allowed to ride up and down >our steet, with some bounderies at first. Now that they are 11, 9 and 7, >they are riding around the block and up and down our street and going across >the street. I think my kids were 6 or 7 when they learned to ride a real bicycle, but we didn't do training wheels, iiRC.
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Sue - 23 Jun 2004 11:52 GMT toto <scarecrow@wicked.witch> wrote in message
> Are you sure? Most two year olds can't peddle at all. The earliest I > have seen kids peddle is around 3. I'm thinking of those little ride on bikes. I know I started those at two, then moved on to a very small tricycle. -- Sue (mom to three girls)
toto - 23 Jun 2004 13:32 GMT >toto <scarecrow@wicked.witch> wrote in message >> Are you sure? Most two year olds can't peddle at all. The earliest I >> have seen kids peddle is around 3. > >I'm thinking of those little ride on bikes. I know I started those at two, >then moved on to a very small tricycle. Ah, ok. The ones kids move with their feet can start before two depending on the child.
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Rosalie B. - 23 Jun 2004 12:42 GMT >>Hmm, I'm thinking that the girls started riding their bikes around 2ish. > >Are you sure? Most two year olds can't peddle at all. The earliest I >have seen kids peddle is around 3. And usually that's on tricycles >not on bicycles. Do they even make bikes small enough for 2 year olds >to reach the peddles? We had two sizes of trikes. I do not remember at what age they had those, but at least one of them was riding by the time we went to California and I guess that would have been the 2.5 yo as the other one was under a year. In California (age 3 and 1 to age 5+ and 3+), they both rode trikes, and also rode on pedal cars (like a little locomotive that they sat in and pushed pedals). I have movies of them riding their vehicles in both places.
>>Small bikes of course, but they moved on to bigger bikes and eventually to >>no training wheels when they were around 6-7 years old. We have always lived [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I think my kids were 6 or 7 when they learned to ride a real bicycle, >but we didn't do training wheels, iiRC. I gave my dd#1 a real bike (regular size) when she was 5 IIRC. She had training wheels on it until she was 7 or 8. But she was a cautious child. We had a short paved street that we lived on which was pretty much dead end, and all the other kids in the neighborhood rode their bikes there. The little boy next door had a much smaller bike at a couple of years younger.
My dd#2 learned to ride on her own without training wheels when she was in kindergarten by borrowing her sister's bike without permission. She would have been about 5. But she was a much more competitive child (not necessarily less fearful, but more driven). At that point, we had an alley that backed up to a marsh and she learned in the alley.
I don't remember when the younger two learned. I know my ds knows because he rode his bike a lot before he got a driver's license. I just don't know when he learned or how. I don't know if dd#3 can even ride a bike. She may have learned to ride a horse before she learned to ride a bike.
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Jan - 23 Jun 2004 18:59 GMT > >>Hmm, I'm thinking that the girls started riding their bikes around 2ish. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > California and I guess that would have been the 2.5 yo as the other > one was under a year. I find the current trend of buying 3- and 4- year old two wheelers to be annoying. I think the "right" thing to do is to wait until they are almost ready to ride without training wheels (generally 6 or so) and then get a two wheeler, use the training wheels to actually learn to ride a two wheeler, and then take them off.
What the people who sell the bikes seem to want is that I buy a mini 2-wheeler with very STURDY "training wheels" which they use for several years. Probably have to buy multi two wheelers as the grow, and in fact never even take off the training wheels on the smaller one. In fact, the kids are riding 4-wheelers. :)
My four year old is a very enthusiastic tricycler, but her trike is starting to get too small. Is there any option of finding a larger trike? I've looked quite a bit and cannot find one because of the two-wheeler trend.
We did find one that is meant for preschools at a school supply store. Looked like it would last 100 years. Unfortunately, it cost nearly $300
-Jan
Karen - 23 Jun 2004 22:30 GMT > I find the current trend of buying 3- and 4- year old two wheelers to > be annoying. I think the "right" thing to do is to wait until they are > almost ready to ride without training wheels (generally 6 or so) and > then get a two wheeler, use the training wheels to actually learn to > ride a two wheeler, and then take them off. nak... agree 100%
> her trike is > starting to get too small. Is there any option of finding a larger > trike? We have a Kettler trike for ds age 4. The body of it can be adjusted, length from seat to pedals. German brand, very sturdy, has lasted 2 years, should last 2 more and then be passed down. Bought it at an independent, upscale type toystore, on sale. They probably run around $100+/- based on the features. I've seen a basic model in the occassional catalogue.
-Karen, mom to Henry 4 and William 2 months-
Sue - 24 Jun 2004 00:42 GMT Jan <postfromjan@mailinator.com> wrote in message
> I find the current trend of buying 3- and 4- year old two wheelers to > be annoying. I think the "right" thing to do is to wait until they are > almost ready to ride without training wheels (generally 6 or so) and > then get a two wheeler, use the training wheels to actually learn to > ride a two wheeler, and then take them off. Well that may be okay for your family. My kids personally wanted to ride a bike well before they were ready for a two-wheeler and I found that to be at ages 3-4 years old. All of the bikes I have bought have been passed down between the three girls, so our money certainly wasn't wasted. I can't imagine not letting one of my kids have a bike just because I wanted to wait until they rode a two-wheeler. Personally, *the right thing to do* is to follow your child's lead as to what kind of bike they are ready to ride and take it from there. -- Sue (mom to three girls)
Jan - 25 Jun 2004 21:11 GMT > Jan <postfromjan@mailinator.com> wrote in message > > I find the current trend of buying 3- and 4- year old two wheelers to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > follow your child's lead as to what kind of bike they are ready to ride and > take it from there. The problem is that I don't really have a choice. There are very few large-size trikes out there, and there are no low priced ones.
My daughter has not asked for a two wheeler. They have large trikes (the $300 ones) and two wheelers with training wheels at her preschool, and she only rides the trikes.
I guess what we are going to do is wait until she is actually too big for the trike she rides daily at our house and ask her what she wants to do. I just wish I could provide the "larger trike" option, which families in the past had.
Jan
Rupa Bose - 26 Jun 2004 05:35 GMT postfromjan@mailinator.com (Jan) wrote
> The problem is that I don't really have a choice. There are very few > large-size trikes out there, and there are no low priced ones. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > to do. I just wish I could provide the "larger trike" option, which > families in the past had. Have you tried places like consignment stores, garage sales, and craigslist.com (if it exists in your area)? Someone I know finds really good stuff for her two little guys, at throwaway prices.
Rupa
Barbara - 24 Jun 2004 00:48 GMT postfromjan@mailinator.com (Jan) wrote in message SNIP
> I find the current trend of buying 3- and 4- year old two wheelers to > be annoying. I think the "right" thing to do is to wait until they are [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > trike? I've looked quite a bit and cannot find one because of the > two-wheeler trend. For larger tricycles, check out Kettler. Here's one from Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001CMXJ8/qid=1088033719/sr=8-3/r ef=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl200/002-4744342-2968808?v=glance&s=sporting-goods&n=507846 They're more expensive than a typical trike, but less than the figure you quote, and extremely durable. Kettler also made the Kiddy-O line for Toys R Us at one time; given the price-point on some of the Kettlers on Amazon, I suspect they still make a line for TRU, but now use the Kettler name.
As you note, the trend most definitely is towards kids having upright bicycles (whether you call them 2 or 4 wheelers) by age 4. I doubt that I would invest a lot of money in a trike at that age, since peer pressure is likely to make the child (or at least MY child) want the faster upright bike. Most 4 year-olds can handle a 16 inch size bicycle, which should last them for several years. I'm told that suburban kids who have a lot of area to ride in often ride without training wheels at age 5, and I know of some who have done so even younger.
Barbara
Cathy Kearns - 24 Jun 2004 00:56 GMT > I find the current trend of buying 3- and 4- year old two wheelers to > be annoying. I think the "right" thing to do is to wait until they are > almost ready to ride without training wheels (generally 6 or so) and > then get a two wheeler, use the training wheels to actually learn to > ride a two wheeler, and then take them off. I'm surprised you find other families chosing different cycle types for their children a "right" or wrong issue. Both trikes and bikes teach kids to peddle. Whether the kid is using 3 or 4 wheels really doesn't matter. For those kids who may well switch to 2 wheels, the training wheels give them that option. I know many kids that were riding without training wheels on those tiny little bikes, while they are still fearless and the ground is really close if they fall over. I got my oldest a bike when she was 7, and she was 8 before she was willing to ride it. Now, 6 years later she hardly ever rides her bike. Her little sister got a bike with training wheels when she was 4, was riding without the training wheels within a month, and now, 5 years later, is still willing to ride her bike anywhere. Perhaps if my older one got a bike before she was afraid to fall she would have learned earlier, and liked it better, I don't know.
Jeanne Clelland - 24 Jun 2004 04:37 GMT Well, thanks for all the input! I think DS will probably really enjoy a bike (he's been riding a big-wheel-type tricycle for a couple of years), and we can pretty easily get to a park where he can ride it, so I think we'll go ahead and go for it.
Jeanne
Hillary Israeli - 24 Jun 2004 13:04 GMT *I find the current trend of buying 3- and 4- year old two wheelers to *be annoying. I think the "right" thing to do is to wait until they are *almost ready to ride without training wheels (generally 6 or so) and *then get a two wheeler, use the training wheels to actually learn to *ride a two wheeler, and then take them off.
I got a bike when I was 10 years old. I needed training wheels then. What's your point exactly? I needed those training wheels for a couple of years although it's embarrassing to admit (and it isn't because I am some kind of majorly uncoordinated or disabled person - I was an accomplished swimmer and equestrienne at the time).
What's the problem with buying a two wheeler instead of a trike, anyway? I mean, if you got a trike, you'd have to replace THAT as the kid grew. Who cares? The cost isn't so different, really, assuming you're comparing the same level of quality product.
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toto - 24 Jun 2004 20:23 GMT >We did find one that is meant for preschools at a school supply store. >Looked like it would last 100 years. Unfortunately, it cost nearly >$300 I loved the big wheels my son had and they are available now. He could still ride his at 5 or 6. At that point he was doing wheelies and spinning out <g>
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Nikki - 24 Jun 2004 20:35 GMT >> We did find one that is meant for preschools at a school supply >> store. Looked like it would last 100 years. Unfortunately, it cost [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.sactoys.com/bybrand.asp?bid=141 My tall boy Hunter couldn't reach the pedals until he was nearly 5. Those things are weird. He doesn't care for it now that he has a bike. Other kids that come over love it though so I'm not sure why he's not to interested? Luke can't reach the pedals yet.
-- Nikki Mama to Hunter (5) and Luke (3)
toto - 25 Jun 2004 06:37 GMT >My tall boy Hunter couldn't reach the pedals until he was nearly 5. Those >things are weird. He doesn't care for it now that he has a bike. Other >kids that come over love it though so I'm not sure why he's not to >interested? Luke can't reach the pedals yet. Interesting. The seat was adjustable like the one in the URL in mine. My son was shorter than average and he could reach the pedals at 3 just fine.
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Nikki - 26 Jun 2004 05:43 GMT > Interesting. The seat was adjustable like the one in the URL in mine. > My son was shorter than average and he could reach the pedals at 3 > just fine. Ours has an adjustable seat too. Maybe they come in different sizes and dh got a bigger one? Could be :-)
-- Nikki Mama to Hunter (5) and Luke (3)
Manda - 01 Jul 2004 22:44 GMT >> >>Hmm, I'm thinking that the girls started riding their bikes around 2ish. >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >then get a two wheeler, use the training wheels to actually learn to >ride a two wheeler, and then take them off. My husband was really into cycling and used to work at a bike store. He read every cycling magazine and obsessed about training theories, etc. Apparently, amongst the cycling world, tricycles are frowned upon. They don't actually teach peddling as it is a different motion than one would use on an actual bicycle. He intends to buy a small two-wheeler bicycle when our son is ready.
For what it's worth, 6 seems like a late age for starting with training wheels. I know that I was the last person to learn to ride a bike and I learned at the beginning of first grade. I was so embarassed because I was the only kid in my neighborhood who hadn't figured it out yet. I woud guess it varies widely based on what the neighborhood peer group is doing though. Bikes were very big in my neighborhood.
Manda
Hillary Israeli - 23 Jun 2004 13:25 GMT *On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:46:18 -0400, "Sue" *<sburke9368@wideopenwest.com> wrote: * *>Hmm, I'm thinking that the girls started riding their bikes around 2ish. * *Are you sure? Most two year olds can't peddle at all. The earliest I *have seen kids peddle is around 3. And usually that's on tricycles *not on bicycles. Do they even make bikes small enough for 2 year olds *to reach the peddles?
My petite 20-month-old pedals fine on the tricycle her big brother outgrew this year! She couldn't reach the pedals when she first tried but just recently she's been making a half-decent job of it :)
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Mary W. - 23 Jun 2004 13:35 GMT > *On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:46:18 -0400, "Sue" > *<sburke9368@wideopenwest.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > this year! She couldn't reach the pedals when she first tried but just > recently she's been making a half-decent job of it :) In my daughter's class (now 3 year olds), about half the class was pedalling between 2-21/2 years. Emma just figured it out a few months ago, she was probably 2 yr 10 months. At 3, she's quite good. And this is on tricycles. Emma likes the bicycles at the store, and there are certainly some that are small enough for her (she's pretty tall for 3 though). I don't know if she could do the bikes or not, haven't had the opportunity since she mastered pedalling.
Mary
OJ - 23 Jun 2004 16:26 GMT > >Hmm, I'm thinking that the girls started riding their bikes around 2ish. > > Are you sure? Most two year olds can't peddle at all. The earliest I > have seen kids peddle is around 3. And usually that's on tricycles > not on bicycles. Do they even make bikes small enough for 2 year olds > to reach the peddles? Hi,
My daughter has a little Fisher Price bike with trainers that we got at Target. She got it at 1 1/2. No, she can't peddle although she can pretty much reach them, but she can sit on the seat and push herself around.
oj
> >Small bikes of course, but they moved on to bigger bikes and eventually to > >no training wheels when they were around 6-7 years old. We have always lived [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I think my kids were 6 or 7 when they learned to ride a real bicycle, > but we didn't do training wheels, iiRC. Marty Billingsley - 23 Jun 2004 22:57 GMT >>Hmm, I'm thinking that the girls started riding their bikes around 2ish. > >Are you sure? Most two year olds can't peddle at all. The earliest I >have seen kids peddle is around 3. And usually that's on tricycles >not on bicycles. Do they even make bikes small enough for 2 year olds >to reach the peddles? My girls were peddling their trikes quite well at two. At three and a quarter they are on bikes with training wheels and can manage perfectly well.
We mostly go to a playground that is fenced in; trying to keep both kids safe on a sidewalk right next to a street makes me crazy.
- marty (mom to alex & andie)
Hillary Israeli - 24 Jun 2004 13:05 GMT *>>Hmm, I'm thinking that the girls started riding their bikes around 2ish. *> *>Are you sure? Most two year olds can't peddle at all. The earliest I *>have seen kids peddle is around 3. And usually that's on tricycles *>not on bicycles. Do they even make bikes small enough for 2 year olds *>to reach the peddles? * *My girls were peddling their trikes quite well at two. At three and a
They sound very entrepreneurial. Congratulations :)
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Marty Billingsley - 24 Jun 2004 17:21 GMT >*>>Hmm, I'm thinking that the girls started riding their bikes around 2ish. >*> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >They sound very entrepreneurial. Congratulations :) What makes me crazy is that they like to bike in the house!
:-) - marty (mom to alex & andie)
Tori M. - 24 Jun 2004 04:49 GMT > >Hmm, I'm thinking that the girls started riding their bikes around 2ish. > > Are you sure? Most two year olds can't peddle at all. The earliest I > have seen kids peddle is around 3. And usually that's on tricycles > not on bicycles. Do they even make bikes small enough for 2 year olds > to reach the peddles? My MIL and FIL got my daughter a small bike for her birthday she is now 27 months old and at 10% for hight and she can reach the peddles but can not peddle it. It has training wheels on it and she loves to "ride" it but we keep it in our tiny kitchen since she has never gotten it to go more then 1 push forward and then back the same distance;)
Tori
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Jeff - 23 Jun 2004 13:00 GMT > Hmm, I'm thinking that the girls started riding their bikes around 2ish. > Small bikes of course, but they moved on to bigger bikes and eventually to > no training wheels when they were around 6-7 years old. We have always lived > on a street with sidewalks though and they were allowed to ride up and down > our steet, with some bounderies at first. Actually, studies show that kids who ride their bikes on the street rather than on the side walks are less likely to get injured or killed. If you live on a quiet residential area, it is probably safer to ride the bikes on the streets. That way, drivers can see kids more easily when backing out of their driveways.
Of course, if you live in NYC, the sidewalk is definitely the way to go.
jeff
> Now that they are 11, 9 and 7, > they are riding around the block and up and down our street and going across [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > Jeanne Nikki - 23 Jun 2004 06:30 GMT > What's a good age to get a real bike (with training wheels)? My son > is almost 4, and I'm thinking of getting him a bike for his birthday. > My main concern is that we live on a hill with a fair bit of traffic, > so we don't have a great place for him to practice riding without > going somewhere else. Depends on the kid ;-) Hunter couldn't really pedal a real bike very well until he was 4. He had gravel is all though. He could do a trike at 3.5+. Luke was able to pedal a real bike at 2 (on pavement) and is a speed demon now at 3. We had a very small bike with training wheels. He now rides one that is to big for him but refuses to get back on the small one. It is hard for him to steer the big one because his arms aren't really long enough. You can get push bars to add to the back so you can control them. We don't have sidewalks so up until he a few months ago I tied a rope to Luke's bike so he wouldn't get away from me. I'm a cheap skate ;-) That worked good because then I could pull him when he got tired. They both spend hours going up and down our long drive way and don't seem to mind that they never go anywhere, lol. -- Nikki Mama to Hunter (5) and Luke (3)
cara - 23 Jun 2004 07:19 GMT >What's a good age to get a real bike (with training wheels)? My son is >almost 4, and I'm thinking of getting him a bike for his birthday. My [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Jeanne My daughter just turned 4 and we got her a bike with training wheels and she is loving it. Still figuring out the fine art of slowing down and stopping which is giving me heart attacks, but its been good for her to have a motor skills activity for her that she enjoys (she has never been the best climber or outdoor play type, so we've encouraged things she expresses interest in like the bike).
Even if you don't live in an area great for biking, its fun to put the bike in the car and go to a park or area for a picnic and riding time, makes for a nice outing. Also in the way of advice, we went to Toys R us and I had her ride all the bikes to decide which one seemed best suited for her. I chose 2 that seemed the best and she chose of the 2 which she liked better. I was surprised that some of the bikes weren't a good match for her.
cara
Lil Nicky's Mom - 23 Jun 2004 08:32 GMT My son's 2.5 and I got him a bike with training wheels already. He's still learning how to pedal well, but he does way better on a bike than on a tricycle, which he can't seem to pedal on it at all. I also had one of those ones with handle, but it wasn't fun for me or my son because he just hates it when someone interfere when he's trying to do something (ie pedaling). Is there a park close by that the two of you can walk the bike to?
I think it really depends on the child, that's no "good age" to get a real bike because each child develops at different rate.
> What's a good age to get a real bike (with training wheels)? My son is > almost 4, and I'm thinking of getting him a bike for his birthday. My [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jeanne Hillary Israeli - 23 Jun 2004 13:24 GMT *What's a good age to get a real bike (with training wheels)? My son is *almost 4, and I'm thinking of getting him a bike for his birthday. My
My son will be 4 in September. We got him a bicycle this spring. He'd outgrown his tricycle and was asking for one, so, there you go :)
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Mary Ann - 23 Jun 2004 13:54 GMT > What's a good age to get a real bike (with training wheels)? My son is > almost 4, and I'm thinking of getting him a bike for his birthday. My [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jeanne Hi, It really depends on the child. If he is already confident using a pedal tricycle then he'll be fine on a small bike. To start with he'll be biking at the same places you currently go for him to play outside. If he hasn't ridden something with pedals yet I'd get him a trike (or borrow one) to practice. A child seems awfully high up on a bike to start with, training wheels or not.
If it's something you're not going to be using much, again I would opt for a trike that he'll feel more confident on and will be able to use for a couple of years still.
My son got his bike when he was 3, learnt to ride without the wheels at 4 and is now confident enough to cycle a bit ahead of us on pavements (sidewalks). We have lots of places for him to cycle where we live so he gets alot of use out of it, but it will be a few years before he's out without a parent.
Mary Ann
Ericka Kammerer - 23 Jun 2004 14:01 GMT > What's a good age to get a real bike (with training wheels)? My son is > almost 4, and I'm thinking of getting him a bike for his birthday. My > main concern is that we live on a hill with a fair bit of traffic, so we > don't have a great place for him to practice riding without going > somewhere else. My kids started that young (or younger), but we also live in a situation where there isn't a great place for them to ride. My recommendation is that if it's going to be a hassle to ride, don't even start with a bike. There'll be time to learn to ride later. In our case, the upshot was that they could only ride with a parent right with them. They soon got to the point where it wasn't any fun because who wants to just ride up and down the same little stretch all the time? They could only *really* have fun riding if we, say, took them out on the bike trails. Doing that frequently wasn't working out, given all the other things they wanted to do, so the bikes didn't get much use at all. When they get old enough that they can bike safely in the neighborhood, *then* I'll be getting them new bikes. Until then, they've got plenty else to amuse themselves with.
Best wishes, Ericka
Claire Petersky - 25 Jun 2004 17:51 GMT > What's a good age to get a real bike (with training wheels)? My son is > almost 4, and I'm thinking of getting him a bike for his birthday. My > main concern is that we live on a hill with a fair bit of traffic, so we > don't have a great place for him to practice riding without going > somewhere else. Another possibility is to get a trail-a-bike or similar contraption (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/trailrcy.html) and go riding together. Using a trailercycle gives a kid a shorter set of list of things to deal with -- s/he only has to hang on, and optionally pedal. Other things, like balancing, and negotiating traffic are then largely up to the adult captain. This is an excellent intermediate step between tricycling in the driveway, and riding a bike on the street. You are also modeling for the kid how to handle yourself sensibly on the road.
If you weren't in Colorado but around here, I'd sell you our old Trail-a-bike. Both of my kids have now graduated to tandems. We're looking at doing Pedal the Pinchot (http://www.pedalthepinchot.com/) as a family -- that's going to be lots of fun.
Warm Regards,
Claire Petersky
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jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org - 25 Jun 2004 19:31 GMT Jeanne Clelland writes:
> What's a good age to get a real bike (with training wheels)? My son > is almost 4, and I'm thinking of getting him a bike for his > birthday. My main concern is that we live on a hill with a fair bit > of traffic, so we don't have a great place for him to practice > riding without going somewhere else. Let him ride a tricycle until he's 5 and then get a bicycle that fits. Children learn rapidly without training wheels if you take the time and do not offer any doubt that they can do it. Training wheels make an unstable tricycle of any bicycle and leave the child riding on a tilt to one side. It does not teach bicycling. The same people who find conventional tricycles dangerous because they can fall over in a turn also believe training wheels are useful.
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Tom Keats - 25 Jun 2004 23:23 GMT > Jeanne Clelland writes: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Let him ride a tricycle until he's 5 and then get a bicycle that fits. Maybe it would be best to not even think about getting the kid a bicycle until he expresses an interest. He would likely become interested when he finds that several of his friends and associates ride. Kids' peer networks can be an invaluable source of cycling education for the youngsters, because they disseminate among themselves what they've learned from their older cycling mentors. And they also learn what's cool (and what isn't), which is part of the fun. That's how I remember it, anyway.
Introducing children to cycling as a solitary experience sounds rather bleak and lonely. I think they'd derive much more value, satisfaction and fun when they electively join the ranks of their cycling friends.
Rather than using a child's age as an indicator of when they should or could start riding a bicycle, I'd suggest a better indicator might be when the child is expanding his or her social horizons among the other neighbourhood kids. That also gives them places to ride to, as well as others to ride with.
Of course, all this still leaves Jeanne Clelland's concerns about her local hill and traffic unaddressed. Off the top of my head, the only suggestion I can think of is moving to a more bicycle-friendly (and thereby, child-friendly) area. Or, just hope the kid doesn't want to ride.
cheers, Tom
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Jeanne Clelland - 26 Jun 2004 04:14 GMT > Another possibility is to get a trail-a-bike or similar contraption > (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/trailrcy.html) and go riding [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You are also modeling for the kid how to handle yourself sensibly on > the road. I thought about that - I've seen several around here, and they look really cool - but they're SOOO expensive! Maybe I could find a used one...
Jeanne
Peter Cole - 26 Jun 2004 12:28 GMT > > Another possibility is to get a trail-a-bike or similar contraption > > (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/trailrcy.html) and go riding [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > really cool - but they're SOOO expensive! Maybe I could find a used > one... I thought so too, but in retrospect, it was one of the best purchases I ever made. 4 1/2 is about the right starting age. If you do a lot of family riding, the trailer-bike (or tandem) is the only way I know of to let everyone ride together. My daughter loved ours, rode with me for 5 years, 1,000's of miles, and wouldn't let me sell it after she outgrew it last year. A child should have their own bike too (I know, more expense), they're really 2 separate issues. Used kids bikes are easy to come by, trailer-bikes are much harder, I had many people offer to buy mine while we were still riding it, so a lot of people seem to be looking to reduce the costs. Looking back at it now, it was a very worthwhile investment, if I resold it, it would only be more so.
Leo Lichtman - 26 Jun 2004 22:59 GMT The discussion on teaching a child to ride has included some rather strong views on the value (or lack thereof) of training wheels. I must say, every time I see a little kid struggling with a training wheel setup, I feel sorry for him/her. It doesn't really handle like a bike, and I think the odd way the bike must feel really interferes with proper riding. This has led me to an idea that may solve the problem, and satisfy both sides of the argument, as well as the child.
Suppose the training wheels, instead of being rigidly constructed, contained hinges, or pivots, and were supported by a spring/shock absorber type diagonal brace. As the kid rides, he/she gets training wheel type support. In the early stages of learning, the springs can be adjusted at a stiff setting, and this can be backed off gradually as the kid gains learns to balance and gains confidence, until, voila, the the wheels are doing nothing, and are no longer needed.
I would build this if I had any small kids, or if I wanted to get rich in the bicycle accessory business :-), but for now, I would like to know if the rest of you think the idea is any good. Maybe it's already been tried.
Tom Keats - 27 Jun 2004 05:17 GMT > Suppose the training wheels, instead of being rigidly constructed, contained > hinges, or pivots, and were supported by a spring/shock absorber type [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > balance and gains confidence, until, voila, the the wheels are doing > nothing, and are no longer needed. I don't know. I'm wondering if this would just give the kid strange sensory inputs as he or she learns to counter-balance and steer as the bike leans one way or the other?
The traditional method of incrementally raising conventional training wheels is a lot simpler, and I think a child would get more of a feel for /really/ balancing an unencumbered bicycle. Conventional training wheels are there to prevent the bike from leaning too far over anyway. And fewer moving parts means fewer things to break (simplicity means reliability.)
It's an interesting idea, though. Maybe it could be adapted and applied in some other way, like perhaps suspension systems for tippier adult tricycle configs.
cheers, Tom
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mark - 27 Jun 2004 08:36 GMT > > What's a good age to get a real bike (with training wheels)? My son is > > almost 4, and I'm thinking of getting him a bike for his birthday. My > > main concern is that we live on a hill with a fair bit of traffic, so we > > don't have a great place for him to practice riding without going > > somewhere else. I dimly remember being on a bike without training wheels at about age 4, I may have had some kind of scooter before that.
Friends of mine have a 3 yr old who is having an absolute ball on a bike with 16" wheels and training wheels- the parents and I agree that the training wheels are somewhat of a crutch, but they haven't gotten around to taking them off. I've described to them the method suggested on this NG and others (pedals off, seat fully lowered, let the kid push off with his feet until he learns to balance on two wheels), and I may bring a pedal wrench the next time I see them, just to see what happens. If I do, I'll post a report on this NG.
Helen's link to a wooden bicycle is interesting, the bikes look really well made and nicely thought out, but GBP125 / US$225 is an awful lot of money for a 3 or 4 year old's bike. -- mark
Bruce Frech - 29 Jun 2004 11:59 GMT Training wheels are for the parents - they need them to feel safe. Kids don't need them. If they have the balance to walk & run then they have the balance to ride a bike.
The real question is do they have the perception, comprehension and reasoning to understand braking and when to use it. I hear coaster brakes (or any brakes controled by the feet) are easier to use by the youngest. Anyone have info on this?
Bruce
Jørn Dahl-Stamnes - 30 Jun 2004 08:20 GMT >> What's a good age to get a real bike (with training wheels)? My son is >> almost 4, and I'm thinking of getting him a bike for his birthday. My >> main concern is that we live on a hill with a fair bit of traffic, so we >> don't have a great place for him to practice riding without going >> somewhere else. Depend. My daughter got a bike when she was 5 year. And no training wheels. I placed a long rod behind the seat and ran after her learning her how to ride the bike. After 1 hour I could let her ride on her own. Today, she is ride the bike with much better skill than other girls at the same age.
So drop the training wheels and let your son learn how to ride the bike as it should be ridden. Training wheels are no-no...
I'm doing the same with my son now, but he seem to need more time to learn how to ride the bike. There is so many other things that he want to do when we are training, so he need more time to learn how to ride a bike.
-- Jørn Dahl-Stamnes
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