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Mother who murdered kids in SF Bay pleads innocent

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Alca Traz - 21 Oct 2005 22:31 GMT
Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons
10/21/2005

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The woman seen dropping her young sons into San
Francisco Bay pleaded innocent Friday to three counts of murder.
Lashuan Harris, described as mentally ill by family members, kept her
head down and held her public defender's hand through most of the
brief court hearing. She quietly answered "yes" when the San Francisco
Superior Court judge asked if she was willing to waive her right to a
speedy preliminary hearing.

Harris, 23, faces three counts of murder with the "special
circumstance" of multiple murder. A claim of special circumstances
means a murder defendant could be eligible for the death penalty, but
San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris said she hasn't yet
decided on whether to actually seek such a sentence.

"I've also said I'll always review the facts and compare them to the
law before I announce my decision," she said outside court Friday.

Her lawyer, Teresa Caffese, refused to address questions about Harris'
mental state, saying only her client was under suicide watch. She's
being held without bail. (Related story: Family: Harris suffered from
schizophrenia)

"It's very, very difficult," Caffese said. "This can't be captured in
words right now."

Authorities said Harris, a former nurse's assistant who was living in
a homeless shelter, was seen putting her three boys in the bay
Wednesday.

The body of Harris' middle son, Taronta Greeley, 2, was recovered late
Wednesday about two miles from Pier 7. The other two — Treyshun
Harris, 6 and Joshoa Greeley, 16 months — remained missing, but were
presumed dead after so many hours in the water.

The U.S. Coast Guard called off its search Thursday afternoon, but the
San Francisco police and fire departments continue to scour the bay
for the two bodies.

Harris' next court hearing was scheduled Oct. 28.

Harris told investigators she had taken the anti-psychotic drug Haldol
to control schizophrenia but stopped when she got her symptoms under
control over the summer, according to a police report. But she said
the voices returned Tuesday night and were still with her when she put
her children into the water, according to the report.

Family member said Harris had made threats before. An aunt told the
San Francisco Chronicle the threats had prompted the woman's mother to
contact authorities, but others said they didn't think Harris would
actually kill her children.

"She told my mama she was going to feed them to the sharks," said
Britney Fitzpatrick, Harris' 16-year-old half sister. "No one thought
it was that serious."

Demarcus Harris, Lashuan Harris' cousin, said the last time he saw her
was Tuesday at his sister's house in Oakland and the boys were with
her.

When his cousin left, she said goodbye and "I'm going to miss y'all."
He said neither he nor his sister suspected what she would do the next
day. "We all thought she was just going home," he said.

Harris was hospitalized in January at the John George Psychiatric
Pavilion in San Leandro and her mother was briefly granted custody of
the boys, according to her older sister, Telicia Harris, 26.

Alameda County social service workers concluded after the first
hospital stay that Lashuan was fit to care for her sons, Telicia
Harris said.

Lashuan Harris' aunt, Joyce Harris, told the Chronicle for Friday's
editions that Lashuan's mother had contacted social services officials
about three months ago to seek partial custody of the children. She
made the request because Harris had stopped taking medication and had
made threats regarding the boys, the paper reported.

"They said she was sane, that they couldn't do anything," Joyce Harris
told the newspaper.

Sylvia Soublet, a spokeswoman for the Alameda County Social Services
Agency, told the Chronicle she could not discuss whether the family
had contacted her agency about gaining custody.

"Lashuan is very protective of the children and I think one of the
reasons Lashuan stopped taking her medication was for fear of losing
her three children," an uncle, Avery Garrett, told NBC's Today show
Friday.
Godzilla Pimp - 21 Oct 2005 23:06 GMT
Baby-killing is an integral part of any viable civilization. Until modern
times, when babies were not all born in hospitals, deformed babies were
almost always killed. And when a man deserted his wife and children, his
wife would often kill their kids in justifiable revenge, thus getting rid of
the cad's genes. Likewise, the new husband would shed himself of the
previous husband's spawn, and quite rightly.

These ideas are abhorrent today, though the killing of healthy unborn
children is paid for by the state, ironically, and is considered of such
importance that an imaginary amendment to the Constitution was fabricated to
ensure it.

GP
Hester Mofet - 22 Oct 2005 17:34 GMT
> Baby-killing is an integral part of any viable civilization. Until modern
> times, when babies were not all born in hospitals, deformed babies were
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>
> GP

I just recently read a book, The Murderer Next Door:Why The Mind nis
Designed to Kill by David Buss and he expounded on something similar --
that the reason there are more step parents who kill their step
children (or partner's child with another) has to do with the
eradication of the other partner's genes. Not sure how much of it I
believe, but it was a very interesting read.

Hester Mofet
DedNdogYrs@AOL.com - 23 Oct 2005 13:27 GMT
<Baby-killing is an integral part of any viable civilization. Until
modern times, when babies were not all born in hospitals, deformed
babies were almost always killed. And when a man deserted his wife and
children, his
wife would often kill their kids in justifiable revenge, thus getting
rid of the cad's genes. Likewise, the new husband would shed himself of
the previous husband's spawn, and quite rightly.
These ideas are abhorrent today, though the killing of healthy unborn
children is paid for by the state, ironically, and is considered of
such importance that an imaginary amendment to the Constitution was
fabricated to ensure it.>

Interesting.  It seems that the farther back in time we lived, the more
children were abandoned.  In the middle ages, half of all children from
poor families were abandoned, usually in forests or to live in the
streets.  Some were taken in by religious organizations.  A third of
middle class people abandoned their children and about 15% of the
wealthy.  Even as recently as 50 years ago, it was common for the
southern poor to place their children in orphanages (where they were
usually mistreated), and people all over the country put retarded and
severely handicapped children in institutions, not seeming to care how
they were treated there.  Some of the families acted like these
children ceased to exist.
Uncle Buck - 23 Oct 2005 20:29 GMT
<snip>
> people all over the country put retarded and severely handicapped children in
> institutions, not seeming to care how they were treated there.  Some of the
> families acted like these children ceased to exist.

This still happens.  I worked for 4 years in a communidy residential MH/MR
(Mental Health/Mental Retardation) program on the MR side in Pennsylvania.  It
was unbelievable to me how many of the individuals in our care were brought
either indirectly through the state hospitals when they closed, or to the
program directly at some point, by family whom you never saw or heard from again
for the rest of that individual's natural life.  Some of the individuals weren't
"aware" enough to really appreciate that their actual families weren't around,
but plenty still were, and it made a difference that they were so neglected like
that.  I guess it's still better than a hundred years or so ago, when instead of
pawning them off on state-run organizations they either locked them up in a
forgoteen room of the house or else the people just sort of "disappeared"
silently.  Some of our individuals weren't even actually retarded, they were
just physically handicapped and nobody had ever bothered trying to teach them
such simple things as how to read and write.  One individual I'm thinking of in
particular - his only problem was cerebral palsy.  The man was in his sixties by
the time I met him.  He was the sweetest guy you could ever know, but nobody
ever sent him to any sort of school (they didn't do that back then, such people
were deliberately kept as out of sight as posslbe).  Nobody took him places or
did things with him...  He could even walk to a limited degree when he was
younger, but because people didn't want to accompany him or take time from their
busy schedules to help pick him up when he fell, he eventually was relegated to
some obscure little corner and forgotten about until he lost the ability to walk
completely.  He was such a sweet guy, too, and so curious about the world.  I
still don't know how they got him classified as mentally retarded, I assume it
was just because he couldn't read & write which was the result of the ignorance
of those around him more so than his own inability to learn.  He was sharp as a
tack, I mean you couldn't pull nothing on him.  Before I left the organization I
was able to help him start walking again a little bit, but only with very heavy
assistance.  I also took him places and did things with him, and watched him
"blossom" a little.  Another housparent that worked with him when I was off
started doing the same sort of stuff, so he had it pretty good by the time I
left.  Relatively speaking, anyway.  That other person committed suicide at one
point, so then this man only had me.  Then I had to leave for circumstances
beyond my control (part of it having to do with an injured back that made me
unable to care for any heavily needy physically disabled people any longer).  I
found out not long ago that he died shortly after I left.  I still can't help
but to wonder if he wouldn't have lasted a little longer if someone would have
still been there who actually cared.  I saw the people who took over after I
left, I knew them.  They weren't in it for anything more than a paycheck.  There
are others who work in such programs who genuinely do care, but it's rare to
find someone who actually cares and who is actually able to make a difference.
Usually, they either care but their hands are tied for one reason or another by
the rules or by their co-workers not wanting to expend any meaningful effort, or
they just don't care.  Poor guy.  I imagine he just pined away after the other
person killed himself and I left.  There would have been nothing for him to do.
No "life" for him to live.  :-(

    The situation with the elderly is about as bad, if not worse.  :-((
Crusader - 22 Oct 2005 05:11 GMT
niggers will do what they are programmed to do

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> Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons
> 10/21/2005
[quoted text clipped - 87 lines]
> her three children," an uncle, Avery Garrett, told NBC's Today show
> Friday.
Bo Raxo - 23 Oct 2005 07:29 GMT
> Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons
> 10/21/2005
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris said she hasn't yet
> decided on whether to actually seek such a sentence.

Here's one of the easiest predictions I've ever made:  D.A. Harris won't
pursue the death penalty.  She's just leaving it on the table for now, for
leverage.  She's not a fan of the death penalty, one of the reasons I'm a
fan of Kamala Harris.

Bo Raxo
krp ~                                                             = - 23 Oct 2005 13:43 GMT
One question....

What MALE will Gloria Allred BLAME for this event?

Book and Movie deals????
John - 24 Oct 2005 17:45 GMT
> Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons
> 10/21/2005
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> being held without bail. (Related story: Family: Harris suffered from
> schizophrenia)

Here is her lawyers bio and picture.

http://www.sfgov.org/site/pd_index.asp?id=142
Necco - 25 Oct 2005 18:21 GMT
>> Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons
>> 10/21/2005
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>
> Here is her lawyers bio and picture.

Why are you posting this info?  Don't you know that you are violating
several laws, you idiot?  And I mean serious ones.  Do you imagine that any
court or state is going to let you harass an attorney in a criminal trial
and get away with it?

What's your point?

Why lots of things.  Do you think a psychotic person should be punished the
same as a sociopath?

Sheesh!

Nomen Necco
Hammer of Thor, May 2005
Bo Raxo - 26 Oct 2005 03:44 GMT
> >> Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons
> >> 10/21/2005
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> court or state is going to let you harass an attorney in a criminal trial
> and get away with it?

Dear idiot -

Exactly what laws are violated when you post links to information that is
already public?  Exactly what is harassing about providing a link to stuff
that is already published on the web?  Do you imagine that the First
Amendment has been repealed, I know the Republicans have gone pretty far
but, believe it or not, this is still the United States of America.

Bo Raxo
Necco - 27 Oct 2005 14:32 GMT
>> >> Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons
>> >> 10/21/2005
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Bo Raxo

You actually believe that a rant makes you correct?  Or credible?

But do keep trying.

Nomen Necco
Hammer of Thor, May 2005
Bo Raxo - 29 Oct 2005 16:48 GMT
> >> >> Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons
> >> >> 10/21/2005
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> You actually believe that a rant makes you correct?  Or credible?

No, I think common sense makes me credible, and makes you an idiot.

If someone puts information on the world wibe web, thus making it public,
and I provide a link to it in a news group, exactly what law could I
possibly have broken?

Feel free to answer, or otherwise admit that you were wrong.  About
something rather obvious.

> But do keep trying.

You think that was a rant?  Hah, that was a gentle nudge by my standards.
Anybody gets a full force Raxo rant, in the immortal words of the great 20th
century philosopher Mr. T: I pity da fool!
Card XII - 01 Nov 2005 00:01 GMT
...

>> You actually believe that a rant makes you correct?  Or credible?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> and I provide a link to it in a news group, exactly what law could I
> possibly have broken?

Keep working at it.  I'm sure you will understand eventually.

> Feel free to answer, or otherwise admit that you were wrong.  About
> something rather obvious.

You are making some things obvious all right.

>> But do keep trying.
>
> You think that was a rant?

Uh, yes.  I think I said that.

> Hah, that was a gentle nudge by my standards.

Probably so.  That is further evidence of my point.

> Anybody gets a full force Raxo rant, in the immortal words of the great
> 20th
> century philosopher Mr. T: I pity da fool!

You really make this tooooo easy.  Please begin posting to alt.usenet.kooks.
They can have lots of fun with you.

Good luck to you.  Maybe you can compete for the Lame Duck, Looney Maroon,
or even the Busted Toilet awards.  You have potential.

Card XII
Hammer of Thor, May 2005
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