Mother who murdered kids in SF Bay pleads innocent
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Alca Traz - 21 Oct 2005 22:31 GMT Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons 10/21/2005
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) The woman seen dropping her young sons into San Francisco Bay pleaded innocent Friday to three counts of murder. Lashuan Harris, described as mentally ill by family members, kept her head down and held her public defender's hand through most of the brief court hearing. She quietly answered "yes" when the San Francisco Superior Court judge asked if she was willing to waive her right to a speedy preliminary hearing.
Harris, 23, faces three counts of murder with the "special circumstance" of multiple murder. A claim of special circumstances means a murder defendant could be eligible for the death penalty, but San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris said she hasn't yet decided on whether to actually seek such a sentence.
"I've also said I'll always review the facts and compare them to the law before I announce my decision," she said outside court Friday.
Her lawyer, Teresa Caffese, refused to address questions about Harris' mental state, saying only her client was under suicide watch. She's being held without bail. (Related story: Family: Harris suffered from schizophrenia)
"It's very, very difficult," Caffese said. "This can't be captured in words right now." Authorities said Harris, a former nurse's assistant who was living in a homeless shelter, was seen putting her three boys in the bay Wednesday.
The body of Harris' middle son, Taronta Greeley, 2, was recovered late Wednesday about two miles from Pier 7. The other two Treyshun Harris, 6 and Joshoa Greeley, 16 months remained missing, but were presumed dead after so many hours in the water.
The U.S. Coast Guard called off its search Thursday afternoon, but the San Francisco police and fire departments continue to scour the bay for the two bodies.
Harris' next court hearing was scheduled Oct. 28.
Harris told investigators she had taken the anti-psychotic drug Haldol to control schizophrenia but stopped when she got her symptoms under control over the summer, according to a police report. But she said the voices returned Tuesday night and were still with her when she put her children into the water, according to the report.
Family member said Harris had made threats before. An aunt told the San Francisco Chronicle the threats had prompted the woman's mother to contact authorities, but others said they didn't think Harris would actually kill her children.
"She told my mama she was going to feed them to the sharks," said Britney Fitzpatrick, Harris' 16-year-old half sister. "No one thought it was that serious."
Demarcus Harris, Lashuan Harris' cousin, said the last time he saw her was Tuesday at his sister's house in Oakland and the boys were with her.
When his cousin left, she said goodbye and "I'm going to miss y'all." He said neither he nor his sister suspected what she would do the next day. "We all thought she was just going home," he said.
Harris was hospitalized in January at the John George Psychiatric Pavilion in San Leandro and her mother was briefly granted custody of the boys, according to her older sister, Telicia Harris, 26.
Alameda County social service workers concluded after the first hospital stay that Lashuan was fit to care for her sons, Telicia Harris said.
Lashuan Harris' aunt, Joyce Harris, told the Chronicle for Friday's editions that Lashuan's mother had contacted social services officials about three months ago to seek partial custody of the children. She made the request because Harris had stopped taking medication and had made threats regarding the boys, the paper reported.
"They said she was sane, that they couldn't do anything," Joyce Harris told the newspaper.
Sylvia Soublet, a spokeswoman for the Alameda County Social Services Agency, told the Chronicle she could not discuss whether the family had contacted her agency about gaining custody.
"Lashuan is very protective of the children and I think one of the reasons Lashuan stopped taking her medication was for fear of losing her three children," an uncle, Avery Garrett, told NBC's Today show Friday.
Godzilla Pimp - 21 Oct 2005 23:06 GMT Baby-killing is an integral part of any viable civilization. Until modern times, when babies were not all born in hospitals, deformed babies were almost always killed. And when a man deserted his wife and children, his wife would often kill their kids in justifiable revenge, thus getting rid of the cad's genes. Likewise, the new husband would shed himself of the previous husband's spawn, and quite rightly.
These ideas are abhorrent today, though the killing of healthy unborn children is paid for by the state, ironically, and is considered of such importance that an imaginary amendment to the Constitution was fabricated to ensure it.
GP
Hester Mofet - 22 Oct 2005 17:34 GMT > Baby-killing is an integral part of any viable civilization. Until modern > times, when babies were not all born in hospitals, deformed babies were [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > GP I just recently read a book, The Murderer Next Door:Why The Mind nis Designed to Kill by David Buss and he expounded on something similar -- that the reason there are more step parents who kill their step children (or partner's child with another) has to do with the eradication of the other partner's genes. Not sure how much of it I believe, but it was a very interesting read.
Hester Mofet
DedNdogYrs@AOL.com - 23 Oct 2005 13:27 GMT <Baby-killing is an integral part of any viable civilization. Until modern times, when babies were not all born in hospitals, deformed babies were almost always killed. And when a man deserted his wife and children, his wife would often kill their kids in justifiable revenge, thus getting rid of the cad's genes. Likewise, the new husband would shed himself of the previous husband's spawn, and quite rightly. These ideas are abhorrent today, though the killing of healthy unborn children is paid for by the state, ironically, and is considered of such importance that an imaginary amendment to the Constitution was fabricated to ensure it.>
Interesting. It seems that the farther back in time we lived, the more children were abandoned. In the middle ages, half of all children from poor families were abandoned, usually in forests or to live in the streets. Some were taken in by religious organizations. A third of middle class people abandoned their children and about 15% of the wealthy. Even as recently as 50 years ago, it was common for the southern poor to place their children in orphanages (where they were usually mistreated), and people all over the country put retarded and severely handicapped children in institutions, not seeming to care how they were treated there. Some of the families acted like these children ceased to exist.
Uncle Buck - 23 Oct 2005 20:29 GMT <snip>
> people all over the country put retarded and severely handicapped children in > institutions, not seeming to care how they were treated there. Some of the > families acted like these children ceased to exist. This still happens. I worked for 4 years in a communidy residential MH/MR (Mental Health/Mental Retardation) program on the MR side in Pennsylvania. It was unbelievable to me how many of the individuals in our care were brought either indirectly through the state hospitals when they closed, or to the program directly at some point, by family whom you never saw or heard from again for the rest of that individual's natural life. Some of the individuals weren't "aware" enough to really appreciate that their actual families weren't around, but plenty still were, and it made a difference that they were so neglected like that. I guess it's still better than a hundred years or so ago, when instead of pawning them off on state-run organizations they either locked them up in a forgoteen room of the house or else the people just sort of "disappeared" silently. Some of our individuals weren't even actually retarded, they were just physically handicapped and nobody had ever bothered trying to teach them such simple things as how to read and write. One individual I'm thinking of in particular - his only problem was cerebral palsy. The man was in his sixties by the time I met him. He was the sweetest guy you could ever know, but nobody ever sent him to any sort of school (they didn't do that back then, such people were deliberately kept as out of sight as posslbe). Nobody took him places or did things with him... He could even walk to a limited degree when he was younger, but because people didn't want to accompany him or take time from their busy schedules to help pick him up when he fell, he eventually was relegated to some obscure little corner and forgotten about until he lost the ability to walk completely. He was such a sweet guy, too, and so curious about the world. I still don't know how they got him classified as mentally retarded, I assume it was just because he couldn't read & write which was the result of the ignorance of those around him more so than his own inability to learn. He was sharp as a tack, I mean you couldn't pull nothing on him. Before I left the organization I was able to help him start walking again a little bit, but only with very heavy assistance. I also took him places and did things with him, and watched him "blossom" a little. Another housparent that worked with him when I was off started doing the same sort of stuff, so he had it pretty good by the time I left. Relatively speaking, anyway. That other person committed suicide at one point, so then this man only had me. Then I had to leave for circumstances beyond my control (part of it having to do with an injured back that made me unable to care for any heavily needy physically disabled people any longer). I found out not long ago that he died shortly after I left. I still can't help but to wonder if he wouldn't have lasted a little longer if someone would have still been there who actually cared. I saw the people who took over after I left, I knew them. They weren't in it for anything more than a paycheck. There are others who work in such programs who genuinely do care, but it's rare to find someone who actually cares and who is actually able to make a difference. Usually, they either care but their hands are tied for one reason or another by the rules or by their co-workers not wanting to expend any meaningful effort, or they just don't care. Poor guy. I imagine he just pined away after the other person killed himself and I left. There would have been nothing for him to do. No "life" for him to live. :-(
The situation with the elderly is about as bad, if not worse. :-((
Crusader - 22 Oct 2005 05:11 GMT niggers will do what they are programmed to do
 Signature Become a Democrat-Help us kill babies.
> Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons > 10/21/2005 [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] > her three children," an uncle, Avery Garrett, told NBC's Today show > Friday. Bo Raxo - 23 Oct 2005 07:29 GMT > Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons > 10/21/2005 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris said she hasn't yet > decided on whether to actually seek such a sentence. Here's one of the easiest predictions I've ever made: D.A. Harris won't pursue the death penalty. She's just leaving it on the table for now, for leverage. She's not a fan of the death penalty, one of the reasons I'm a fan of Kamala Harris.
Bo Raxo
krp ~ = - 23 Oct 2005 13:43 GMT One question....
What MALE will Gloria Allred BLAME for this event?
Book and Movie deals????
John - 24 Oct 2005 17:45 GMT > Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons > 10/21/2005 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > being held without bail. (Related story: Family: Harris suffered from > schizophrenia) Here is her lawyers bio and picture.
http://www.sfgov.org/site/pd_index.asp?id=142
Necco - 25 Oct 2005 18:21 GMT >> Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons >> 10/21/2005 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Here is her lawyers bio and picture. Why are you posting this info? Don't you know that you are violating several laws, you idiot? And I mean serious ones. Do you imagine that any court or state is going to let you harass an attorney in a criminal trial and get away with it?
What's your point?
Why lots of things. Do you think a psychotic person should be punished the same as a sociopath?
Sheesh!
Nomen Necco Hammer of Thor, May 2005
Bo Raxo - 26 Oct 2005 03:44 GMT > >> Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons > >> 10/21/2005 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > court or state is going to let you harass an attorney in a criminal trial > and get away with it? Dear idiot -
Exactly what laws are violated when you post links to information that is already public? Exactly what is harassing about providing a link to stuff that is already published on the web? Do you imagine that the First Amendment has been repealed, I know the Republicans have gone pretty far but, believe it or not, this is still the United States of America.
Bo Raxo
Necco - 27 Oct 2005 14:32 GMT >> >> Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons >> >> 10/21/2005 [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Bo Raxo You actually believe that a rant makes you correct? Or credible?
But do keep trying.
Nomen Necco Hammer of Thor, May 2005
Bo Raxo - 29 Oct 2005 16:48 GMT > >> >> Mentally ill mom pleads innocent to murder of 3 sons > >> >> 10/21/2005 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > You actually believe that a rant makes you correct? Or credible? No, I think common sense makes me credible, and makes you an idiot.
If someone puts information on the world wibe web, thus making it public, and I provide a link to it in a news group, exactly what law could I possibly have broken?
Feel free to answer, or otherwise admit that you were wrong. About something rather obvious.
> But do keep trying. You think that was a rant? Hah, that was a gentle nudge by my standards. Anybody gets a full force Raxo rant, in the immortal words of the great 20th century philosopher Mr. T: I pity da fool!
Card XII - 01 Nov 2005 00:01 GMT ...
>> You actually believe that a rant makes you correct? Or credible? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and I provide a link to it in a news group, exactly what law could I > possibly have broken? Keep working at it. I'm sure you will understand eventually.
> Feel free to answer, or otherwise admit that you were wrong. About > something rather obvious. You are making some things obvious all right.
>> But do keep trying. > > You think that was a rant? Uh, yes. I think I said that.
> Hah, that was a gentle nudge by my standards. Probably so. That is further evidence of my point.
> Anybody gets a full force Raxo rant, in the immortal words of the great > 20th > century philosopher Mr. T: I pity da fool! You really make this tooooo easy. Please begin posting to alt.usenet.kooks. They can have lots of fun with you.
Good luck to you. Maybe you can compete for the Lame Duck, Looney Maroon, or even the Busted Toilet awards. You have potential.
Card XII Hammer of Thor, May 2005 Order of the detrevnI Buckyball
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