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Donna Metler - 31 Dec 2005 06:14 GMT We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite a few children who looked to be school aged still being pushed around in strollers-and since many of these kids were climbing in and out, running around, etc, I don't think there was a physical need for it! It's hard enough to deal with a stroller with a baby-I can't imagine pushing a child who is that big and heavy. So, for those of you with older kids, how old is reasonable?
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Hierophant - 31 Dec 2005 06:21 GMT > We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite a > few children who looked to be school aged still being pushed around in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Mother to Angel Brian Anthony 1/1/2002, 22 weeks, severe PE/HELLP > And Allison Joy, 11/25/04 (35 weeks, PIH, Pre-term labor) Who cares? If the kid enjoys it and the guardian enjoys it why would there be a problem?
toypup - 31 Dec 2005 06:57 GMT >> We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite a >> few children who looked to be school aged still being pushed around in [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Who cares? If the kid enjoys it and the guardian enjoys it why would > there be a problem? I agree. If it's not affecting OP, it's not her business. If she doesn't want to push a stroller with an older child, then she can refuse to do it, but she shouldn't judge others who don't mind doing it.
FWIW, I think most strollers go up to 40 pounds and umbrella strollers go up to 30. There are some heavy duty strollers that go much higher.
Donna Metler - 31 Dec 2005 17:05 GMT > >> We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite a > >> few children who looked to be school aged still being pushed around in [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > FWIW, I think most strollers go up to 40 pounds and umbrella strollers go up > to 30. There are some heavy duty strollers that go much higher. Not offending, exactly, more like wondering just how many years I'm going to be stuck lugging the battleship around! I'm already sick and tired of dealing with the stroller and my daughter's only a year old.
I'm more interested as to why parents would find it worth the nuisance for a child who can obviously walk-because right now, I'm definitely looking forward to the day when my daughter can start taking on some of the responsibility for her own transportation from place to place.
Nan - 31 Dec 2005 17:08 GMT >Not offending, exactly, more like wondering just how many years I'm going to >be stuck lugging the battleship around! I'm already sick and tired of >dealing with the stroller and my daughter's only a year old. You could always get an umbrella stroller. They're more lightweight and easier to stow in a trunk than other strollers.
>I'm more interested as to why parents would find it worth the nuisance for a >child who can obviously walk-because right now, I'm definitely looking >forward to the day when my daughter can start taking on some of the >responsibility for her own transportation from place to place. We don't go to many places that require a lot of walking, but many parents do. Even older kids can get pretty tired while out walking for a long period of time, like at a theme park or fair. I'd prefer the stroller over carrying, or listening to my almost 6 year old complaining constantly!
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Anonymama - 31 Dec 2005 17:20 GMT > I'm more interested as to why parents would find it worth the nuisance for a > child who can obviously walk... Because I can walk further than my child can. If you have the right stroller, it's not a nuisance.
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Banty - 31 Dec 2005 17:42 GMT >> FWIW, I think most strollers go up to 40 pounds and umbrella strollers go >up [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >forward to the day when my daughter can start taking on some of the >responsibility for her own transportation from place to place. Is it the weight of the stroller? Or possibly the handles being the wrong height for you? Or maybe the one you have isn't so well built?
Or maybe another adult in your household can take some of the stroller-pushing duty? ;)
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Banty - 31 Dec 2005 17:52 GMT >>> FWIW, I think most strollers go up to 40 pounds and umbrella strollers go >>up [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Or maybe another adult in your household can take some of the stroller-pushing >duty? ;) Ah, Donna - I just recalled your medical history. Maybe something lighter, like an umbrella stroller, or a well-built smaller conventional stroller will work better for you.
Or maybe your daughter will need to develop more walking independance sooner than most others. After all, our parents managed without strollers so much (although there were some around then). No sin in that.
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enigma - 31 Dec 2005 20:03 GMT > Or maybe your daughter will need to develop more walking > independance sooner than most others. After all, our > parents managed without strollers so much (although there > were some around then). No sin in that. i don't know about your parents (or grandparents) but mine had baby buggies (perambulators) when we were little. my grandmother (now almost 101) still has the wicker buggy she had for my mom as a baby. strollers are a fairly recent innovation, since the mid-70s at least. but i do think buggies were only good up to 3 or 4 years old... of course, people rarely walked that far with kids back then either. lee
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Beth Kevles - 31 Dec 2005 17:51 GMT Hi --
I think we gradually gave up the stroller over time, and by the time my youngest was 4 1/2 or 5 had given it up completely. We also graduated from a heavy-duty one to a $14 umbrella version by the time the younger was about 3.
The reason we retained the stroller so long was for longer outings when the kids got too tired to walk, but were too large for me to carry easily. (I, too, get tired on those very long walks.) So, for example, I'd use it when going on the LONG walk for groceries. By the time we were ready to return home I had one child in the stroller holding a bag or two of groceries, two bags hanging off the handles of the stroller, and another child complaining beside me that he was too tired to walk. :-) We also brought it along in the car or on the metro for outings that involved lots of walking, such as trips down to the museums at the National Mall in DC.
Switching to the umbrella stroller was a BIG help.
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Cathy Kearns - 31 Dec 2005 18:28 GMT > Not offending, exactly, more like wondering just how many years I'm going to > be stuck lugging the battleship around! I'm already sick and tired of > dealing with the stroller and my daughter's only a year old. We pretty much gave up strollers when the girls were around 2 or 3. They started walking, or preferred riding in the wagon when we were going to the grocery store. If they are used to walking they can walk pretty far. I remember taking them to Disney world when the youngest was 4. She, and her five year friend would wander around Disneyworld holding onto the hammer loops on my capenter's shorts. Note, they may be able to walk far, but not fast. I think some folks prefer the strollers so they can get to where they are walking faster. And when they are on the ground they seem to be able to check out more interesting stuff, so that takes even longer. I was the type that if we set aside 2 hours for the park, and it took 30 minutes to walk the half block to get there that was fine, cuz the girls were doing what interested them on the way there.
bizby40 - 31 Dec 2005 19:01 GMT >> >> We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw >> >> quite [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > forward to the day when my daughter can start taking on some of the > responsibility for her own transportation from place to place. The good news is that it is highly individual, and when it takes more effort than it is worth to *you*, you can always stop doing it.
My kids are almost 3 years apart, and gave up the stroller at the time time. My oldest was highly clingy, and would throw fits if her little brother was allowed in the stroller and she was not. They were far enough apart in age that we never bothered with a double stroller.
What that ended up meaning was that when I went out by myself, it was usually somewhere like the grocery store where I'd have a cart. If DH was with me, we usually took 2 strollers. And that covered most really long things like trips to the Zoo or amusement park.
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seasidestitcher@yahoo.com - 31 Dec 2005 19:41 GMT I used an umbrella stroller as long as I could. Sometimes they poop out while shopping. Then you can sit them down with some juice and a snack , then you can keep going. It is very convenient. That is why I switched to a smaller stroller. Those bulky strollers can be a big pain.
Going anywhere for a long period of time is the perfect excuse for a stroller. Amusement parks, beach/boardwalk, out shopping, sightseeing, etc. Not only can they sit when they get tired, you are not constantly running after them when they try to wander. Even the best behaved child will wander when something catches their eye.
Also, they are great to hold packages and a drink. Boy did I miss that comvenience when we did away with the stroller. Having to carry my packages after 12 years was a major pain!! LOL Di
dragonlady - 31 Dec 2005 21:01 GMT > > >> We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite > a [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > forward to the day when my daughter can start taking on some of the > responsibility for her own transportation from place to place. I understand that -- and it will vary from kid to kid. With some kids (or combinations of kids -- you only have one, which makes a difference), lugging the stroller along is, ultimately, LESS work than trying to cope with a child (or children) who is too tired to walk another step.
For that matter, it will vary from adult to adult: I had two different types of strollers (one fairly portable, one not so much) for different circumstances. and didn't mind hauling them about. As others have pointed out, it also gave me something to haul some stuff when we were shopping.
If you find the stroller a PIA, you'll probably stop using it MUCH sooner than someone like me, who didn't mind it so much. (There are folks who NEVER use one, as they find them a royal nuisance in general.)
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Penny Gaines - 31 Dec 2005 22:15 GMT > Not offending, exactly, more like wondering just how many years I'm going > to be stuck lugging the battleship around! I'm already sick and tired of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > forward to the day when my daughter can start taking on some of the > responsibility for her own transportation from place to place. We stopped using it regularly when my youngest was nearly three. The main impetus was moving to somewhere with a very steep hill.
Like others have said, we still used it ocasionally when we had long trips put, although I can't remember when we stopped.
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grandma Rosalie - 02 Jan 2006 20:13 GMT When my oldest two were little, I didn't use the stroller all that much except for places like Disney when the little one could nap in it while we continued on. I have pictures of my ds at about 6-8 months (the youngest) being pushed in the stroller by his next oldest sibling (2.7 years older) when we went on outings.
We had the type stroller that could be made into a double with one older kid sitting in the back, but it was probably more equivalent to the umbrella type strollers of today because it wasn't very heavy and in those days we didn't have a real car seat option.
We often went where strollers would not be possible like National Park trails, and my kids didn't get carried, they walked.
Some of my grandchildren are the same way and they don't ride in strollers much, but their parent will often have the stroller to carry all the 'stuff' you have when you have kids.
And then there is one granddaughter who seemed determined to be carried everywhere when she was 2 or 3.
But eventually, her mom (dd#3) used to walk the older child to school with the little one in the stroller, but pretty soon she didn't take the stroller anymore and the little one walked twice as far as the older one (to and from school twice a day) and was consequently more fit.
Caledonia - 31 Dec 2005 22:46 GMT > > >> We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite > a [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > be stuck lugging the battleship around! I'm already sick and tired of > dealing with the stroller and my daughter's only a year old. Our old stroller (one of those all-in-one types where an infant car seat snaps into it, circa 1998) was a battleship. Fast forward to 2003, where I purchased a jogging stroller that weighs about 1/3 as much and can carry 2x as much -- definitely worth it for us.
> I'm more interested as to why parents would find it worth the nuisance for a > child who can obviously walk-because right now, I'm definitely looking > forward to the day when my daughter can start taking on some of the > responsibility for her own transportation from place to place. DD2 (almost 3) can walk well and do fair distances, but when we walk DD1 to school it's 2 miles each way (uphill each way, too, in the driving snow, barefoot...). She could walk there slooowly, but most likely couldn't make the trek back in any amount of reasonable time. The jogging stroller means that I *can* walk DD1, since without it I'd just have DD1 ride the bus all the time given that it'd be too tricky to manage DD2.
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toto - 01 Jan 2006 00:52 GMT >I'm more interested as to why parents would find it worth the nuisance for a >child who can obviously walk-because right now, I'm definitely looking >forward to the day when my daughter can start taking on some of the >responsibility for her own transportation from place to place. Older children get tired - I know we used the stroller when the kids were 3 or 4 though not at school age.
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dejablues - 01 Jan 2006 01:07 GMT > > >> We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite > a [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > forward to the day when my daughter can start taking on some of the > responsibility for her own transportation from place to place. My stroller was a waste of money because I rarely used it. I'm not a mall-shopper or neighborhood walker, and once the kids could stand, they just wanted out of it anyway.
Ericka Kammerer - 01 Jan 2006 01:19 GMT > Not offending, exactly, more like wondering just how many years I'm going to > be stuck lugging the battleship around! I'm already sick and tired of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > forward to the day when my daughter can start taking on some of the > responsibility for her own transportation from place to place. It depends on how *far* your child can walk. At the moment, I rarely take a stroller for my 2.5yo; however, we're rarely walking any long distance. If we go to the playground, it's a short walk home. Most other places I'd have the freedom to leave when she got tired of walking. If I were to take her out for a day, though, whether that was to the zoo or out for a day of shopping or whatever, I would definitely need to bring the stroller unless I was prepared to carry her a lot of the time. She's not anywhere near able to walk all day. Not only that, but if she's on foot we have to have the time to explore every nook and cranny at her pace. If I need to get through some errands quickly and efficiently, odds are I'm going to need to sit her down and give her something else to occupy herself with while I make tracks. So, depending on your lifestyle, it probably won't be long before you can do a lot of things without a stroller, but it will probably be a long time before you can do *everything* without a stroller.
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Sue - 01 Jan 2006 13:54 GMT "Donna Metler" <dmmetler@xxxbellsouthxxx.net> wrote in message
> Not offending, exactly, more like wondering just how many years I'm going to > be stuck lugging the battleship around! I'm already sick and tired of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > forward to the day when my daughter can start taking on some of the > responsibility for her own transportation from place to place. Big kids get tired too Donna. And having a place for them is nice. My friend has a big child and people mistaken him for being older than he really is. It's frustrating when people are so judgemental. Remember, you might not have the whole story as to why people use strollers for older children.
Also, other reasons would be medical conditions. I have a daughter with a medical condition that makes her tire very easily. You wouldn't know it by looking at her, so at first glance people could wonder why an older child needed a stroller, but she used a stroller for a long time if there was going to be a lot of walking.
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Donna Metler - 01 Jan 2006 16:35 GMT > "Donna Metler" <dmmetler@xxxbellsouthxxx.net> wrote in message > > Not offending, exactly, more like wondering just how many years I'm going [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > needed a stroller, but she used a stroller for a long time if there was > going to be a lot of walking. I don't believe for a second that 90% of the children in strollers who were between the apparent ages of 4-6 were either large for their age toddlers or have medical conditions-not when you're talking about literally thousands of children (and please remember that I work with young children for a living, so I'm pretty attuned to a child's developmental age, not just their physical size-there are definite apparent differences between, say, a large 3 yr old and a small 5 yr old) I've done walking field trips with preschool and young school-aged groups, so I know that many children of that age range can walk for pretty long distances if they choose to do so. I wasn't saying it was wrong that they'd do so-I was wondering WHY they'd bother if a child could walk on their own. Apparently, there are reasons, and they're reasons which are perfectly logical. No judgement intended.
> Sue (mom to three girls) dragonlady - 01 Jan 2006 21:44 GMT > > "Donna Metler" <dmmetler@xxxbellsouthxxx.net> wrote in message > > > Not offending, exactly, more like wondering just how many years I'm [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > could walk on their own. Apparently, there are reasons, and they're reasons > which are perfectly logical. No judgement intended. Personally, I haven't read any of what you've written as judgemental, just questions.
However, there are so MANY people who ARE judgemental about this -- "LOOK at that woman putting that child in a stroller when he's obviously strong enough to walk on his own. What kind of a mother IS she?" -- that this is one of those topics that can make people get a bit prickly.
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Sue - 02 Jan 2006 09:43 GMT "Donna Metler" <dmmetler@xxxbellsouthxxx.net> wrote in message
> I don't believe for a second that 90% of the children in strollers who were > between the apparent ages of 4-6 were either large for their age toddlers or > have medical conditions-not when you're talking about literally thousands of > children Of course not. I was just giving you scenerios that perhaps you have not thought of because your post was about not understanding why older children might need a stroller.
>I was wondering WHY they'd bother if a child could walk on their own. Many kids can walk short distances on their own and some cannot.
>Apparently, there are reasons, and they're reasons which are perfectly logical. >No judgement intended.
None taken. You asked for reasons and I gave you two. :o)
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Nikki - 03 Jan 2006 15:35 GMT > I don't believe for a second that 90% of the children in strollers > who were between the apparent ages of 4-6 were either large for their [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > school-aged groups, so I know that many children of that age range > can walk for pretty long distances if they choose to do so. The key is if they choose to do so :-).
I never used a stroller for my babies and can't really figure out why people do. I had one which was a giant hassle. It was much easier for me to carry them. I did carry them *a lot* until they were 3yo or so. When I wanted a stroller (and no longer had one) it was when they were to big to carry and very loud in their complaining and slow in their walking! I do have a wagon for walks to the park (which really is a little to far for a 4yo to get home from if you stay playing or swimming long) but it isn't so hot for loading into the trunk if I'm going somewhere not home, lol.
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dragonlady - 03 Jan 2006 15:59 GMT > > I don't believe for a second that 90% of the children in strollers > > who were between the apparent ages of 4-6 were either large for their [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > from if you stay playing or swimming long) but it isn't so hot for loading > into the trunk if I'm going somewhere not home, lol. I suspect you'll want a stroller for Thing One and Thing Two . . . it's much harder to carry two at once! (Though someone does make a twin front-carrier: it's sort of two that zip together, so two people can carry one each, or, when you're the only one there, one person can carry both. I also managed one with a front carrier and one with a back carrier, but only a few times and not for long distances.)
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Banty - 03 Jan 2006 16:25 GMT >> > I don't believe for a second that 90% of the children in strollers >> > who were between the apparent ages of 4-6 were either large for their [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >I suspect you'll want a stroller for Thing One and Thing Two . . . it's >much harder to carry two at once! She'll be better balanced, though... ;)
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dragonlady - 04 Jan 2006 02:17 GMT > >> > I don't believe for a second that 90% of the children in strollers > >> > who were between the apparent ages of 4-6 were either large for their [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Banty I don't know about that -- I think I found caring for twins left me feeling pretty unbalanced . . .
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Nikki - 03 Jan 2006 17:43 GMT > I suspect you'll want a stroller for Thing One and Thing Two . . . > it's much harder to carry two at once! LOL, I can imagine! I definitely plan on getting a stroller this time around. I hated carrying the infant car seats and didn't have one for Hunter or in the beginning for Luke. I did end up getting one for Luke when he was nearly three months old for various reasons but I have a hard time carrying them. I can carry the baby alone for much longer and with much less discomfort.
(Though someone does make a
> twin front-carrier: I saw that on line. It didn't look very comfortable. The two sling thing didn't look very comfortable either. I do think I'll try and get a sling or a pouch or something so that for around the house I can carry one in that and the other without a sling or maybe they'll cooperate and only want holding at different times - HA ;-)
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Irene - 03 Jan 2006 18:21 GMT > > I suspect you'll want a stroller for Thing One and Thing Two . . . > > it's much harder to carry two at once! [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > and the other without a sling or maybe they'll cooperate and only want > holding at different times - HA ;-) I haven't seen that, but what I have seen is people wearing one on the front and one on the back, either with mei tai's and/or wraps, more so than ring slings or pouches. Ds was a bit too heavy for me to try that, but I did do a bit of pushing ds in the stroller while wearing dd in the sling - but ds has gotten too big for me to push him in a stroller nowadays, esp. if I'm also carrying dd on the front. (I *might* be able to do it if dd was on my back - but I've found that simply not bringing the stroller ends up easier since then ds can't beg to be pushed in it.)
I've also found that ds begs to be carried *only* when dh is with us. If it's just me, he'll walk a lot further without complaining. ;-)
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dragonlady - 04 Jan 2006 02:16 GMT > > > I suspect you'll want a stroller for Thing One and Thing Two . . . > > > it's much harder to carry two at once! [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > simply not bringing the stroller ends up easier since then ds can't beg > to be pushed in it.) Alas, that approach doesn't work with twins.
> I've also found that ds begs to be carried *only* when dh is with us. > If it's just me, he'll walk a lot further without complaining. ;-) > > Irene
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Irene - 04 Jan 2006 16:19 GMT > > I haven't seen that, but what I have seen is people wearing one on the > > front and one on the back, either with mei tai's and/or wraps, more so [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Alas, that approach doesn't work with twins. Which part? I think I listed about 3 or 4 ideas up there!
I did peek at the Twins forum at www.thebabywearer.com for ideas, since this seems to be coming up a lot lately, and some people also suggested ring slings or pouches for a front carry combined with a mei tai or wrap for a back carry. I think I envision the front & back mei tais most because one of the twin moms there has her avatar picture that way.
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dragonlady - 05 Jan 2006 04:59 GMT > > > I haven't seen that, but what I have seen is people wearing one on the > > > front and one on the back, either with mei tai's and/or wraps, more so [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Which part? I think I listed about 3 or 4 ideas up there! Carrying a preschooler while ALSO wearing twins, is the vision I was getting -- I had to bring the stroller, and just deal with my older child begging to ride in it.
> I did peek at the Twins forum at www.thebabywearer.com for ideas, since > this seems to be coming up a lot lately, and some people also suggested > ring slings or pouches for a front carry combined with a mei tai or > wrap for a back carry. I think I envision the front & back mei tais > most because one of the twin moms there has her avatar picture that > way. I know I've seen pictures of it, but, frankly, the weight alone would get to me fairly quickly. Carrying two newborns, maybe -- but by the time they're 15 or 20 pounds each, carrying them around starts to be real work! I can't imagine "wearing" twin toddlers.
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toypup - 05 Jan 2006 05:00 GMT > I know I've seen pictures of it, but, frankly, the weight alone would > get to me fairly quickly. Carrying two newborns, maybe -- but by the > time they're 15 or 20 pounds each, carrying them around starts to be > real work! I can't imagine "wearing" twin toddlers. Yes, wearing one toddler is tough. I got my daily workout that way. I can't imagine wearing two toddlers. And it gets hot wearing a kid -- all that body heat in a warm climate. Two kids would be murder.
Irene - 05 Jan 2006 16:06 GMT > > > > I haven't seen that, but what I have seen is people wearing one on the > > > > front and one on the back, either with mei tai's and/or wraps, more so [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > getting -- I had to bring the stroller, and just deal with my older > child begging to ride in it. Aah - I hadn't actually meant carrying the pre-schooler at the same time as twins. That would be an extreme emergency sort of thing! That simply was what worked for my particular situation best, since normally ds *could* walk the distance I was willing to also walk - and I could carry him for a short while if absolutely necessary, while also carrying baby. If I had twins, I probably would use my stroller a lot more.
> > I did peek at the Twins forum at www.thebabywearer.com for ideas, since > > this seems to be coming up a lot lately, and some people also suggested [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > time they're 15 or 20 pounds each, carrying them around starts to be > real work! I can't imagine "wearing" twin toddlers. Well, I think that's something you would have to work up to, as far as developing the right muscles. And I don't think it's something most people do on a regular basis, tbh. I know enough people who carry 30 lb toddler/preschoolers (mostly in mei tais or wraps), so that's similar to two 15 lb toddlers, I would think.
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Nikki - 05 Jan 2006 16:56 GMT >> I know I've seen pictures of it, but, frankly, the weight alone would >> get to me fairly quickly. Carrying two newborns, maybe -- but by the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > lb toddler/preschoolers (mostly in mei tais or wraps), so that's > similar to two 15 lb toddlers, I would think. Yaybut whose toddlers are 15lbs? lol Not mine and I'm assuming these next two guys will be about the same but perhaps they will be smaller? I know you were talking in general and not to me specifically, I just got a chuckle out it ;-) I also know there are beautiful 15lb toddlers but it would be decidedly odd coming from these two parents ;-).
Mine were 18lbs and 20lbs at 6mos and by the time they were toddlers (18mos) they were 25lbs and 27lbs. That would be 50lbs of squirming toddler hanging off me while interacting with two bigger children. No thank you regardless of the handy slings/packs available ;-)
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Irene - 05 Jan 2006 18:04 GMT > >> I know I've seen pictures of it, but, frankly, the weight alone would > >> get to me fairly quickly. Carrying two newborns, maybe -- but by the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > hanging off me while interacting with two bigger children. No thank you > regardless of the handy slings/packs available ;-) Lol. Since dd didn't hit 20 lbs until 18 months, I forget that's not exactly normal!
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dragonlady - 06 Jan 2006 01:35 GMT > >> I know I've seen pictures of it, but, frankly, the weight alone would > >> get to me fairly quickly. Carrying two newborns, maybe -- but by the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > hanging off me while interacting with two bigger children. No thank you > regardless of the handy slings/packs available ;-) Chances are good that they'll be somewhat smaller at birth, but catch up quickly! (My twins were 6 lbs 5 oz and 6 lbs 10 oz -- smaller than my sigleton by about a pound, but still good sized babies!)
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Nikki - 06 Jan 2006 15:25 GMT > Chances are good that they'll be somewhat smaller at birth, but catch > up quickly! (My twins were 6 lbs 5 oz and 6 lbs 10 oz -- smaller > than my sigleton by about a pound, but still good sized babies!) I know, I'm bracing myself. :-) Mine were both well over 8lbs and in my mind that is what a newborn should look like. The tiny guys look postively breakable, lol. Of course I don't really want to carry around 17-18lbs of baby anyway ;-)
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dragonlady - 06 Jan 2006 01:34 GMT > > > > > I haven't seen that, but what I have seen is people wearing one on > > > > > the [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Irene Sure, but my kids weren't small. I would have been the one trying to carry TWO 30 lb toddler/preschoolers!
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Circe - 03 Jan 2006 18:29 GMT > LOL, I can imagine! I definitely plan on getting a stroller this time > around. I hated carrying the infant car seats and didn't have one for > Hunter or in the beginning for Luke. I did end up getting one for Luke > when he was nearly three months old for various reasons but I have a hard > time carrying them. I can carry the baby alone for much longer and with > much less discomfort. The thing I had when Vernon was a baby that I really loved was the stroller that the infant car seat can attach to. That was SUCH a lifesaver. If he was asleep in the carseat, I could just take the seat out, plop it in the stroller, and go (and often come back) without ever waking him up. I am pretty sure that Graco makes a duo tandem stroller with this feature. You can put both car seats into the stroller. You might look into that. -- Be well, Barbara
Boliath - 03 Jan 2006 19:15 GMT >>LOL, I can imagine! I definitely plan on getting a stroller this time >>around. I hated carrying the infant car seats and didn't have one for [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Be well, Barbara Snap N Go, great things for twins, my best mate has 9 month old twins, the most valuable things to her when they were teeney tiny were the boppies, she swaddled them and propped them up in them, papasans, and the snap n go stoller that took the 2 car seats.
Nikki - 03 Jan 2006 20:52 GMT >>> LOL, I can imagine! I definitely plan on getting a stroller this >>> time around. I hated carrying the infant car seats and didn't have [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > boppies, she swaddled them and propped them up in them, papasans, and > the snap n go stoller that took the 2 car seats. I'll have to look for that for sure! Thanks!
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bizby40 - 03 Jan 2006 19:22 GMT > The thing I had when Vernon was a baby that I really loved was the > stroller that the infant car seat can attach to. That was SUCH a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > with this feature. You can put both car seats into the stroller. You might > look into that. Yeah, I *loved* that thing. They didn't actually make them, AFAIK when DD was born, but right around then someone came out with a stroller frame that could be used with many different brands, including ours. My SIL had a huge stroller that had a snap-in feature for the infant car seat, but our little frame couldn't have weighed more than a pound or two and folded flat.
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Anonymama - 03 Jan 2006 16:21 GMT > I never used a stroller for my babies and can't really figure out why people > do. I didn't have a car until my son was two.
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Nikki - 03 Jan 2006 17:36 GMT >> I never used a stroller for my babies and can't really figure out >> why people do. > > I didn't have a car until my son was two. Well I didn't say that very well :-) It makes a lot of sense for some people to have them but I could carry them for quite a long time and when I went to purchase things, I always had the car. I also didn't walk for exercise. If I had I would have wanted a stroller for sure. Even most people like me have them around here, which is perfectly fine. I didn't even have a car seat I could carry Hunter in but they are quite common and I did have one for Luke, which I purchased when he was 3mos old already. I found that a) he actually slept in the car and it was nice to take him out without waking him up b) I could set him down to help the toddler where for the first three months I had to hold him in my arms while helping Hunter which was kind of a PITA. Circumstances change.
I'm definitely getting a stroller this time. We'll be on the go more with two bigger kids and I'll have two babies. I can't imagine it will be very convenient to be carrying two around, lol.
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MsLiz - 31 Dec 2005 06:57 GMT > > We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite a > > few children who looked to be school aged still being pushed around in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Who cares? If the kid enjoys it and the guardian enjoys it why would > there be a problem? I kept my daughter in one for as long as she'd stay in it. She was always very big for her age too and it was funny to see her it. For one, it provided a place for me to bring stuff like food, my purse, bottled water, jackets, etc. Two, it was great exercise for me to push her up hills. The only thing that I can imagine that the OP is worried about is that the child should be getting the exercise? I suspect that kids who are overweight are not overweight because of sitting in strollers a couple of times a day. Or perhaps the OP is worried that people will laugh??? We got a big kick out of it in my family, about what a lug I pushed around. She turned into quite the toothpick, as did I when I was pushing her around. Oh yeah...one more benefit. Since she was so big...it helped me in that I didn't have to carry her when she got tired!
-L. - 31 Dec 2005 07:22 GMT > We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite a > few children who looked to be school aged still being pushed around in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > who is that big and heavy. So, for those of you with older kids, how old is > reasonable? Until the child is able and willing to respond to verbal commands which are mandatory for safety. For some this occurs early - 2ish, for others not until 4 or 5 ish. Anything over 5, I'd think it would be unnecessary. Or at least I can't think of any circumstance where a stroller would be required.
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enigma - 31 Dec 2005 13:02 GMT >> We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, >> and I saw quite a few children who looked to be school [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > least I can't think of any circumstance where a stroller > would be required. ever spend the day at the zoo or out wandering around somewhere doing touristy things? even 5 &6 year olds get tired of walking fairly easily & a stroller is usually easier than carrying a kid that age. it's certainly not "required", just easier :) in our case, we often use a wagon instead of a stroller for pretty much the same purpose. we spend much of the summer at Renaissance fairs, & it's easier to make a wagon look more "period" than a thouroughly modern invention like a stroller, too... although i suspect a stroller takes up less room in the car. lee <trust me, a 4 year old gets real tired during a 9 hour stint at Faire>
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LAdezio@gmail.com - 01 Jan 2006 02:19 GMT > in our case, we > often use a wagon instead of a stroller for pretty much the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > lee <trust me, a 4 year old gets real tired during a 9 hour > stint at Faire> I see a lot of wagons used for child transport at faire, too. It *is* less jarring to see a wagon than it is to see a stroller being pushed by someone in Elizabethan court gear <g>.....
(So glad mine are waaaaaaay past that stage.....)
Out of curiosity, what faires do y'all do?
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enigma - 01 Jan 2006 03:13 GMT >> in our case, we >> often use a wagon instead of a stroller for pretty much [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > (So glad mine are waaaaaaay past that stage.....) if you put yours in strollers or even a wagaon, i bet you'd get stares! :)
> Out of curiosity, what faires do y'all do? Sterling NY & Vermont mostly. i want to get back to Tuxedo (also NY), maybe this year. might try to get to Maine too (it was on hiatus last year) i refuse to go back to King Richard's in MA (even though it was where i started out working). thier gate & food policies are not something i want to deal with. lee <PA & CT have good faires too>
LAdezio@gmail.com - 02 Jan 2006 04:24 GMT > >> in our case, we > >> often use a wagon instead of a stroller for pretty much [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > if you put yours in strollers or even a wagaon, i bet you'd > get stares! :) At 20 and almost 16, you betcha! :)
> > Out of curiosity, what faires do y'all do? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > are not something i want to deal with. > lee <PA & CT have good faires too> For me, since moving to PA a few years ago, the bulk of 'season' is split between PARF and Tux (having grown up and lived in NJ, Tux was 'home' and is still my 'mothership' <g>). I've done Sterling once, but it's a bit of a schlep to drive from here. I was on cast at NJRK for a few seasons a few years back and really need to work MDRF back into the schedule because it's such a shopper's paradise! <g>
I want to get at least one weekend at CT in, since a good friend is one of the show's managers. King Richard's is one I skip. I don't hear much good about it as far as their policies go, like you've mentioned.
My almost 16 year old is bugging me to do one of the Florida shows -- the Pirate fest in Key West, at the very least. All it takes is time and money...... ;)
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dragonlady - 02 Jan 2006 07:09 GMT > > if you put yours in strollers or even a wagaon, i bet you'd > > get stares! :) > > At 20 and almost 16, you betcha! :) Due to a problem with my knees, I usually use an electric cart when I hit the grocery stores. (Lots of turns and I just don't get along.)
If my younger (just turned 20) daughter is with me, she MUCH prefers to take a wheelchair and push ME around.
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enigma - 02 Jan 2006 13:20 GMT dragonlady <mehouck@removepacbell.net> wrote in news:mehouck-3D69C1.23102301012006@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.co m:
> In article > <1136175855.541567.185210@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > cart when I hit the grocery stores. (Lots of turns and I > just don't get along.) i'm having really bad pain in my feet when i get up in the mornings & come from a family history of arthritis... need to get that checked soon, but i forsee travel difficulties in a few years.
> If my younger (just turned 20) daughter is with me, she > MUCH prefers to take a wheelchair and push ME around. there's an old wicker wheelchair at one of the local antique stores (i live right off 'antique alley' in NH) that i'm considering buying & refurbishing for eventual use... i really hope i don't end up needing it as Sterling is *very* hilly & i'm NOT giving up my faires! :p it's not really conducive to electric chair use either. i may start petitioning the owners now to allow me a goat cart ;) (actually i should just buy the faire... that would keep me busy)
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dragonlady - 02 Jan 2006 17:03 GMT > > Due to a problem with my knees, I usually use an electric > > cart when I hit the grocery stores. (Lots of turns and I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > get that checked soon, but i forsee travel difficulties in a > few years. If you're having severe pain in your feet when you FIRST get up, I suggest having yourself checked for plantar fascitis (I'm probably not spelling that right, but the doctor will know). It isn't a form of arthritis, but a form of tendinitis, iirc.
Hurts like hell. But treatable -- I suffered with it for a long time, but once I got over it, it never came back (unlike arthritis, which is ongoing).
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Sidheag McCormack - 02 Jan 2006 18:32 GMT > Hurts like hell. But treatable -- I suffered with it for a long time, > but once I got over it, it never came back (unlike arthritis, which is > ongoing). You were quite lucky, or else picked very good treatment that I'd like to know about - plantar fasciitis is notoriously hard to treat and prone to come back, actually. I still have mine from time to time - err - 6 years later, despite treatment and doing exercises conscientiously. What treatment did you have, may I ask?
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Banty - 02 Jan 2006 19:08 GMT > > Hurts like hell. But treatable -- I suffered with it for a long time, > > but once I got over it, it never came back (unlike arthritis, which is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Sidheag >DS Colin Oct 27 2003 You didn't ask me, but I do (did?) have it since four years ago, and what has kekp me from suffering further from it was:
1. Initial cortisone injections (for inflammation) in the beginning of treatment
2. Religious (every day!) use of custom orthoses provided by the podiatrist or wearing Birkenstocks
3. Losing 25 pounds
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dragonlady - 02 Jan 2006 20:38 GMT > > > Hurts like hell. But treatable -- I suffered with it for a long time, > > > but once I got over it, it never came back (unlike arthritis, which is [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Banty You and I DO have a lot in common! (The cortisone injections didn't help me.)
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dragonlady - 02 Jan 2006 20:38 GMT > > Hurts like hell. But treatable -- I suffered with it for a long time, > > but once I got over it, it never came back (unlike arthritis, which is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Sidheag > DS Colin Oct 27 2003 Sure -- I'd been through my regular doctor AND a podiatrist, had orthotics and several other treatments, when I changed primary care physicians to a Family Practice MD who was ALSO a certified homeopath. The treatment that worked for me was a homeopathic one: specifically, Rhus Tox, if memory serves (it's made from the poison ivy plant.) However, homeopathic remedies are highly individual: one of the reasons the doctor thought that one was the best for me, for example, is that I have an extremely bad reaction to poison ivy. Once in a blue moon, my heel will still start to hurt just a little, but as long as I keep wearing Birkenstocks (the only shoes I wear these days) it goes away quickly. (Once in a while, I put on good sneakers for something -- but I can't wear them for very long without my knee starting to hurt.)
To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure I actually believe in homeopathy -- but for this and a few other things, it WORKED, and I never knock success.
If I am ever able to find another MD who is also a homeopath, I will probably go back to seeing someone like that. I think that was some of the best medical treatment I got.
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Sidheag McCormack - 02 Jan 2006 23:22 GMT Dragonlady writes:
> To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure I actually believe in homeopathy -- > but for this and a few other things, it WORKED, and I never knock > success. Indeed! However, maybe you have to have a certain level of acceptance to even try something: for me homeopathy is just *so* implausible that I can't see myself spending time and money on it, even in the presence of an ongoing problem. (Not that the PF is, really - but it does stop me doing things like going walking in such a way as to *have* to walk many miles to get back, with no possibility of bailing out if my foot picks that day to get bad.)
I did let my physio do acupuncture on me a few times; he said he reckoned that worked best on people who didn't believe it was going to! However, it didn't help me, and not sure I'd try it again.
The single best thing for my PF is the wooden rolling pin I keep under the bed for rolling my foot on if it starts to play up. That and calf stretches usually sort it out reasonably quickly when it comes back these days. I am also very careful about what shoes I wear.
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dragonlady - 02 Jan 2006 23:26 GMT > Dragonlady writes: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > see myself spending time and money on it, even in the presence of an > ongoing problem. It helped that this guy was ALSO a board certified family practice MD: I knew for certain that nothing he'd suggest would hurt me, and was willing to try just about anything by then, since none of the other things had worked. Since he WAS an MD, this was covered by my insurance.
As I said, for several problems people in the family had, homeopathy helped.
This was an odd clinic: they had several MDs, but also a massage therapist and and acupuncturist and several other so-called alternative medicine practitioners. He referred DH for acupuncture for two problems: one was chronic pain in a shoulder he'd dislocated several years earlier, the other for mild high blood pressure. His shoulder stopped bothering him, and his blood pressure went down.
What can I say? We moved away, and I haven't found a similar clinic here in California, which surprised me -- here, the alternative folks seem well distanced from the MD's. And, if I have to choose one or the other, for now, at least, I stick to mainstream medicine.
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enigma - 02 Jan 2006 13:49 GMT >> if you put yours in strollers or even a wagaon, i bet >> you'd >> get stares! :) > > At 20 and almost 16, you betcha! :) i remembered they were at least teen age. i didn't realize the older was 20 already :)
>> > Out of curiosity, what faires do y'all do? >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > into the schedule because it's such a shopper's paradise! > <g> i'm in NH. Maryland is a bit out of range, but i've heard great things about it. is there just one Faire in PA? quite a few of the Sterling regulars got to a PA faire, but i didn't think it was PARF. i consider Sterling my 'home faire', even though i started out working at KRF in Carver. Tux is closer to us than Sterling, but we don't have relatives near there (although Grandma is selling her summer home in Sodus Point, so we won't have a place close to Sterling either unless i buy the faire or buy another farm in that area...) i've heard nothing bad about the CT faire. i really want to get down there. now that Boo is 5, he travels much better & he copes with out-of-routine things better (he's somewhere on the autistic spectrum, but very high fuctioning).
> My almost 16 year old is bugging me to do one of the > Florida shows -- the Pirate fest in Key West, at the very > least. All it takes is time and money...... ;) when is the Pirate Fest? my parents are bugging us to come visit them in FL & we could drag them to a Faire... they live near Tampa/St.Pete & i think there's a faire there too, sometime in the winter?
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LAdezio@gmail.com - 03 Jan 2006 05:05 GMT > >> if you put yours in strollers or even a wagaon, i bet > >> you'd [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > i remembered they were at least teen age. i didn't realize > the older was 20 already :) He just turned 20 last month. (Understand that I am in complete denial about being old enough to have a 20 year old, y'understand... <g>). YS turns 16 next month. Oy.
> >> > Out of curiosity, what faires do y'all do? > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > i'm in NH. Maryland is a bit out of range, but i've heard > great things about it. Maryland is *beautiful*. Hilly, like Sterling, but it's in this heavily wooded area that really makes you feel like you're in a village in the middle of a forest. Some of the best garb shopping around...great pubs (including steamers, oyster shooters and shrimp), a wide selection of really good, reasonably priced food and lots of fun entertainment. Lots of activities for kids, too.
> is there just one Faire in PA? quite a few of the Sterling > regulars got to a PA faire, but i didn't think it was PARF. There is a faire in the Pittsburgh area, and a fairly new one near Scranton called Endless Mountains, but that one's just gone to a few weekends and is still fairly small. There's a few single weekend 'faires' (ones run by groups like Lions' Club and whatnot and are more 'faire-ish' than real Faires....) around.
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> consider Sterling my 'home faire', even though i started out > working at KRF in Carver. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Sterling either unless i buy the faire or buy another farm in > that area...) When we go to Tux, we stay at the Homewood Suites in Mahwah, NJ. I can usually get a one bedroom suite (with a pullout sofa)..and if necessary, a rollaway will fit, so you can get 5 in there easily, for $99.00 per night, which includes full breakfast buffet in the mornings. Full small kitchen and grills in the pool area. Full size washer and dryer, which is perfect for rainy days when you need to get mud out of garb. With breakfast, it's a pretty good deal...and it's only about 15 minutes or so from site. At minimum, we go opening weekend, Labor Day weekend and my birthday weekend (usually the weekend after Labor Day, since my birthday's the 11th). The rest of the season's pretty much reserved for PARF -- since it's only about an hour from my house, we 'commute' back and forth.
> i've heard nothing bad about the CT faire. i really want to > get down there. now that Boo is 5, he travels much better & he [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > near Tampa/St.Pete & i think there's a faire there too, > sometime in the winter? I think Pirate Fest is in November, but don't quote me on it. BARF (which, IIRC, is in the Tampa area -- Bay Area Renaissance Faire) runs in February and March, but I don't know the exact dates.
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dragonlady - 31 Dec 2005 16:21 GMT > > We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite a > > few children who looked to be school aged still being pushed around in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -L. Not "required" -- just handy.
Heck, if you look at it from some perspectives, a stroller is NEVER "necessary" -- some folks never use them at all -- they are a convenience. And in some families, and in some circumstaces, it continues to be convenient to use a stroller well past the age of 5.
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toto - 01 Jan 2006 00:58 GMT >Heck, if you look at it from some perspectives, a stroller is NEVER >"necessary" -- some folks never use them at all -- they are a >convenience. With my own kids, I used a backpack until they were around 3. Both my kids were light weight though.
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-L. - 01 Jan 2006 18:50 GMT > Not "required" -- just handy. > > Heck, if you look at it from some perspectives, a stroller is NEVER > "necessary" -- some folks never use them at all -- they are a > convenience. And in some families, and in some circumstaces, it > continues to be convenient to use a stroller well past the age of 5. Kids generally can't walk distances until 4 or 5 though, that's what I was getting at. A 5 year old can be expected to walk, with breaks, on an excursion for 4 hours or so.
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postfromjan@mailinator.com - 31 Dec 2005 18:07 GMT > Until the child is able and willing to respond to verbal commands which > are mandatory for safety. For some this occurs early - 2ish, for > others not until 4 or 5 ish. Anything over 5, I'd think it would be > unnecessary. Or at least I can't think of any circumstance where a > stroller would be required. My 5-year-old occasionally rides in a jogging stroller while I jog. We haven't come up with any other way for her to come with me. We tried having her ride her bike or scooter, but she goes too fast for the first 10 minutes and much too slow for the next 50 minutes.
Just wanted to point out a circumstance. :)
My 2 year old rides in an umbrella stroller for long walks but we never bring it anywhere with us in the car or on trips.
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dragonlady - 31 Dec 2005 08:39 GMT > We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite a > few children who looked to be school aged still being pushed around in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > who is that big and heavy. So, for those of you with older kids, how old is > reasonable? However old works for you and your family.
I know I used the twin stroller longer than I thought I would. It was sometimes a place for the kids to sleep, and a place for them to ride when they were too tired to walk (and I couldn't carry them both). It was certainly safer than trying to hang onto three kids (the two of them and their sister).
I also know at least one family with a child with some physical challenges who use the stroller on days when things just may be too much for him; it's an oversize stroller, and he's about 8 and sometimes gets some weird looks. But you never know what it is you are looking at -- you may be seeing a child who doesn't require a wheel chair, but has some condition that makes what you might think of as "normal" physical activity just too difficult.
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enigma - 31 Dec 2005 12:48 GMT > We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and > I saw quite a few children who looked to be school aged [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > pushing a child who is that big and heavy. So, for those of > you with older kids, how old is reasonable? depends on the child & the parent, oh, and the weight limit of the stroller. i never used a stroller with my son, but at 5 he still wants to be carried everywhere. i can see where having a stroller would be a LOT easier than carrying him (and he's only 37 pounds. lots of 5 year olds are heavier). i do have a backpack which still fits him as far as weight, but at 5 he *does* want to be up & down, able to run over & look at something more closely, etc., so the backpack is pretty worthless. taking it on & off every 2 minutes is a real pain. lee
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> depends on the child & the parent, oh, and the weight limit > of the stroller. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > pain. > lee Have I mentioned that I envy those of you with smaller kids? One also preferred being carried to the stroller, but without checking the Baby Book, I'd guess he was Boo's weight by age 2. Long distance carrying wasn't for us much past that age!
We wound up buying a jogging stroller after our big, workhorse stroller died, and One was over the weight limits for most regular strollers anyway. At the time, our sitter enjoyed walking about 1-1/2 miles with him (and other kids and sitters) to a local nature center, where the kids ran around and played for a few hours about once a week. Walking there, yes. Walking back -- just wasn't happening! We also used it when we were walking places where there was a good chance of him falling asleep (eg, Friday evening services during the summer -- I just wasn't up to carrying a 40-something (or more) pound sleeping kid 3/4 mile).
As my name says, I only have one kid. But I DO see a lot of older kids climbing into their sibs' strollers for a break when they're tired, or just because it somehow seems like fun to them. Maybe the OP was seeing some of that as well. Otherwise .... it just plain old doesn't bother me to see older kids in strollers. YMMV
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Ericka Kammerer - 31 Dec 2005 14:16 GMT > We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite a > few children who looked to be school aged still being pushed around in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > who is that big and heavy. So, for those of you with older kids, how old is > reasonable? I think it depends on your kid and what you're doing. Are you sure these kids were school-aged? There are a lot of big preschoolers out there. Some may have brought a stroller as much as a cart for stuff as for transporting the child. (Hey, I missed my stroller for shopping long after the kids didn't need it anymore.) Or maybe they were out for a long day of walking and at some point the kids would be unable to walk anymore. (It may be tough to push a bigger kid in a stroller, but it might be even harder to carry them.) Or maybe they still needed a bit of a nap in the afternoon and the stroller afforded them the opportunity to do that when the time came. At any rate, I don't think there's any age that's unreasonable. The only thing I think is unreasonable is keeping a child strapped in all the time in order to keep them out of trouble when the kid obviously needs to get in some running around.
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Banty - 31 Dec 2005 14:16 GMT >We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite a >few children who looked to be school aged still being pushed around in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >who is that big and heavy. So, for those of you with older kids, how old is >reasonable? I used a stroller with my son until he was about five, for things like theme parks and fairs. Of course he was able to get up and run around, the question is - can he walk around the whole time.
A good stroller can carry a larger child and wheel easily. They're also good for packages ;)
I can understand some beefs about it, though - a lot of strollers clog things up and not every stroller-driver seems able to detect the positions of nearby tender heels!
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Anonymama - 31 Dec 2005 17:18 GMT > So, for those of you with older kids, how old is > reasonable? My tall three-year-old still rides in one. When we go for walks we take it along, and he can climb in if he gets tired or we're in a hurry. We also have a jogging stroller that he'll be using as long as he fits in it.
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Sidheag McCormack - 31 Dec 2005 17:48 GMT > We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite > a few children who looked to be school aged still being pushed around in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > child who is that big and heavy. So, for those of you with older kids, > how old is reasonable? Are you sure it isn't just that kids older than yours look huge? Mine is 2y2m, has been able to climb in and out of his pushchair and run around for quite a long time, but still definitely needs it because he can't walk *far enough* to do without it. IOW, climbing in and out and running around definitely isn't proof that there isn't a physical need for it! In fact we need it more now than when he was younger, because he's too heavy for me to carry (with or without a sling) for very far. We do short outings without it, but there's always the risk that he'll have had enough - and if he's not willing to walk, my choices are wait or carry him... My expectation is that we'll use it less and less over the next 6 months or so, but will probably still own it for occasional use this time next year.
I think the most difficult time for managing Colin plus the pushchair was actually around the time he was beginning to walk, because he was heavy enough for it to be difficult but still, he needed to be carried on buses etc. when I was also trying to carry the pushchair. These days provided I lift him up the big step he can walk along the bus, climb onto a seat, etc. by himself which is a *big* help.
Sidheag DS Colin Oct 27 2003
Mary_Gordon@tvo.org - 31 Dec 2005 21:03 GMT I have three kids, now all long out of the stroller phase. I used a stroller into the kindergarten years - at least to age 5.
What I found was that when you go anywhere on foot with a toddler or preschooler you have two problems.
One is all the junk you end up carrying with you - the snacks and drinks, the jackets and hats, your purse, the handiwipes, maybe diapers, toys, the quart of milk and loaf of bread you picked up, lord knows what else. The stroller was a great place to stash all that - I had a heavy duty one with big knobby tires so it could handle uneven terrain and get pushed across the lawn at the park etc. It also had space underneath it to carry cargo.
The second problem you have is that into those years, kids get tired. They get cranky. They don't want to walk. They want you to carry them. They pitch a fit, go all floppy, refuse to move. I dunno about you and your back, but I can't carry 40 pounds of kid home from the park 5 blocks, as well as the sandtoys and the other junk, plus hold another kid or two by the hand. I also didn't like having to cut short my shopping, our visit to the zoo or the amusement park or the county fair because a young child gets tired of walking. As long as a kid would fit into a stroller, it was a godsend!
We took our family to Disney World in 2003, our youngest was 5, the middle one was 9 and the oldest was not quite 12. We rented a stroller there, and it was a very smart thing to do. Not only did it mean we didn't have to lug all kinds of junk in our arms, on our backs etc. but there is a LOT of walking there, and the 5 year old really would not have survived if she couldn't have ridden a lot of the time. I think we'd have been there two hours, and she'd have been ready for a nap, miserable etc. and we'd have had to go back to hotel. The kind of strollers they have for rent the 9 year old could fit into (he was very slight and skinny) and we were constantly having to tell him to get out of it, it was for his little sister! He would have been quite happy to have been pushed around.
Mary G.
cara - 01 Jan 2006 01:13 GMT > We just got back from our winter vacation to San Diego, and I saw quite a > few children who looked to be school aged still being pushed around in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > who is that big and heavy. So, for those of you with older kids, how old is > reasonable? Depends on the situation - my 5 year old rarely uses a stroller, but when we did disney world last summer she was in and out of it. Sometimes if we walk to the park the 2 girls (ages 2 and 5) double up in the (single) jogger for breaks. I've never used a big lugging heavy stroller, though, once the kidlet is big enough, its straight into a nice easy to push/steer small stroller - we got a hand me down maclaren that is *heavenly*!!!
cara
Akuvikate - 02 Jan 2006 22:55 GMT We use ours seldom enough now that we probably won't be using it much by then. However apart from the distance that many have mentioned, I'd like to second the efficiency aspect that a few have pointed out. I sometimes walk to pick the 2 1/2 year old Bug up from preschool. It's a 20 minute walk by myself, 45 minutes to an hour coming back with her just because there are so many interesting and wonderful things to stop and look at and touch and do on the way home. At times I need to go out and run a few errands efficiently without having to keep her little hands off of everything. That's when the stroller (or sling) is indispensible.
Kate, ignorant foot soldier of the medical cartel and the Bug, 2 and 1/2
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