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Family Forum / Parenting / Parenting / August 2006Teens and music
What has happened with teenagers and music? I thought that by the time I became middle-aged, I would deplore what teenagers called "music" and wouldn't be able to see what it was all about. But it seems that teenagers listen to music that is more or less the same as the music I listened to when I was younger, except that it isn't quite as good. Or, the production and musicianship is better, but the songwriting isn't so good these days. I'm extremely disappointed. Why hasn't there been a revolution since about the early 80s when rap/dance came in? >What has happened with teenagers and music? I thought that by the time >I became middle-aged, I would deplore what teenagers called "music" and >wouldn't be able to see what it was all about. But it seems that >teenagers listen to music that is more or less the same as the music I >listened to when I was younger, except that it isn't quite as good. But U2 and Red Hot Chilli Peppers are still churning out good stuff! >Or, >the production and musicianship is better, but the songwriting isn't so >good these days. I'm extremely disappointed. Why hasn't there been a >revolution since about the early 80s when rap/dance came in? "Rap/dance"? Rap in the early '80s, yes (I got to be around those happenings in the Bronx a bit). Dance meaning house music? That's somewhat niche, but we're starting to hear more of it on the airwaves. You're right I think that there is no particular music movement among kids. I think my son's playing of current alternative rock is the perfect Parent's Revenge (as in, *my* parents poetic revenge on me!) BTW, the kids are getting into old metal now - Black Sabbath, for instance. My take on it is that, with the internet, there is such an explosion of different kinds of music accessible that it's taking awhile to process all that. Or maybe music's all tapped out and the world is coming to an end :) Banty  Signaturehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5222154.stm > What has happened with teenagers and music? I thought that > by the time I became middle-aged, I would deplore what [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > disappointed. Why hasn't there been a revolution since > about the early 80s when rap/dance came in? if you never stopped listening to pop, rock, & alternative, then your ears never got "out-of-touch". it seems to me anyway, that those people who complain about the music kids these days listen to are those that stopped listening to anything new after they left college. as to why there hasn't been a revolution in music since the 80s, do you listen to download MP3s from independent bands? many of those are not what you'll hear on any commercial station (most of which are owned by 2 syndicates, owned by brothers & dedicated to boring the world (or at least the US) to death by censure). lee SignatureQuestion with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson > if you never stopped listening to pop, rock, & alternative, > then your ears never got "out-of-touch". it seems to me [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > brothers & dedicated to boring the world (or at least the US) > to death by censure). In my case, I've listened to music recommended by teenagers themselves after they broke out from listening to their parents' choice of music, and found their own bands. With the internet, you'd think that new countercultures would be able to spread much easier than before. But what I've heard has been as I described it in the first post. A teenager who first listens to her parents' choice of, say, Crowded House, but then finds Savage Garden for herself isn't exactly striking out that far from the musical tree, I think. > What has happened with teenagers and music? I thought that by the time > I became middle-aged, I would deplore what teenagers called "music" and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > good these days. I'm extremely disappointed. Why hasn't there been a > revolution since about the early 80s when rap/dance came in? I guess you missed out on grunge, alternative, indie, alt-country, death metal, and the revival of jangly power-pop, just to name a few. Lots of new music straddles several genres. Hint : Myspace is great for hearing fresh new music. >> What has happened with teenagers and music? I thought that by the time >> I became middle-aged, I would deplore what teenagers called "music" and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >music straddles several genres. >Hint : Myspace is great for hearing fresh new music. Of all you listed, I'd only place grunge in the category of a new movement. "Indie" is just independant music, alt-country is just a matter of emphasis, death metal is also a matter of emphasis and actually has hung around for a long time, and anytime you mention a "revival" you're not talking about a new movement. The only other things I might put myself would be acidjazz - house music (but even that stuff is Bossa Nova + Electronica), and world music (which is a cacophony of "anything but USian and it's European syncopants", but it *is* new and a change that one can actually listen to the music of Tonga and still be kewl.) I dont' know where to put hybrids like New Age, Jazz Fusion, and Trip Hop. Actually, I'd say New Age *was* a new movement, but it never caught on with teens because it wasn't being created for them. Banty Signaturehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5222154.stm > The only other things I might put myself would be acidjazz - house music (but > even that stuff is Bossa Nova + Electronica), and world music (which is a > cacophony of "anything but USian and it's European syncopants", but it *is* new > and a change that one can actually listen to the music of Tonga and still be > kewl.) But these have mostly been around for a long time, or are not enough of a development to throw off us oldies. World music - see side 1 disc 1 of "The Concert for Bangladesh", and George Harrison's earlier "Indian"-influenced Beatles songs. And that is officially "before my time". Maybe I haven't heard enough acidjazz to hear the radical stuff I can't "get". > I dont' know where to put hybrids like New Age, Jazz Fusion, and Trip Hop. > Actually, I'd say New Age *was* a new movement, but it never caught on with > teens because it wasn't being created for them. Trip hop - "My life in the bush of ghosts" by Brian Eno/David Byrne. Not the same, but enough similarities that someone raised on MLitBoG would have little trouble understanding TH. But the thread has gone a little off track. Don't kids nowdays want to find their own music that is radically different from that appreciated by their elders? Doesn't a parent expressing appreciation of music immediately turn a teen off the same music and send them off to find something more radical? > But the thread has gone a little off track. Don't kids nowdays want to > find their own music that is radically different from that appreciated > by their elders? Doesn't a parent expressing appreciation of music > immediately turn a teen off the same music and send them off to find > something more radical? Actually , my teenagers are quite happy when I express a liking for their music, because that means I'm likely to buy the cds and foot the bill for concert tickets. I might have a hard time at a Cradle of Filth show, however. ;-) > I guess you missed out on grunge, alternative, indie, alt-country, death > metal, and the revival of jangly power-pop, just to name a few. Lots of new > music straddles several genres. > Hint : Myspace is great for hearing fresh new music. I don't see them as major changes, things that I don't recognise as music. Indie in particular is pretty traditional in terms of song structures and instrumentation. Grunge similar. "Never mind the bollocks" Death metal - maybe you have something there, that doesn't sound very musical to me. How is the revival of jangly power-pop cutting new ground? It's not so much hearing new music that's a problem, I'm just a bit disappointed that younger people haven't pushed the boundaries like they used to. Listening to music and purchasing it is definitely going through a revolution, but I don't see the music itself doing so. OK, there are small changes and new-ish styles. But nothing as radically different as The Beatles were in their day, punk, rap, house, ambient. I've heard some click 'n glitch, but it was done by artists older than me, and sounded good. Where's the revolution where I am figuratively put up against the musical wall and shot? > > I guess you missed out on grunge, alternative, indie, alt-country, death > > metal, and the revival of jangly power-pop, just to name a few. Lots of new [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > me, and sounded good. Where's the revolution where I am figuratively > put up against the musical wall and shot? Well, you can only re-invent the wheel so many times. There are only so many notes in a scale and so many instruments to play them on, so sooner or later things will stagnate. We have 3 kids (boys 15 and 12 and girl 8). The boys both play guitar - both accoustic and electric, and they are both, big time, into classic rock - and in specific the stuff that was hot when I was in my teens and early 20's - the stuff that makes me nostalgic (you hear a few bars and suddenly you are transported back to some specific period in your life). So, here I am about to turn 50, and my kids have Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix etc. Totally blows their socks off when they play something and find out I know all the lyrics because I wore out a vinyl album of the same thing 30 years ago. It cracks me up!! They even like old Beatles albums. So much for THEM rebelling with music. However, I can drive them insane by playing old folk albums (Gaaaaa!!! James Taylor!!!! AAAAAAACKKKK!!!). M > We have 3 kids (boys 15 and 12 and girl 8). The boys both play guitar - > both accoustic and electric, and they are both, big time, into classic [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > by playing old folk albums (Gaaaaa!!! James Taylor!!!! > AAAAAAACKKKK!!!). I hate to tell Bono this, but I can drive my teens insane with U2. "Yuk!!! That old creepy guy from the ipod commercialsx!!!" > M |
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