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Family Forum / Parenting / Parenting / May 2008Do Pharmaceutical Commercials Benefit Americans?
On this week’s JOURNAL, Bill Moyers spoke with Melody Petersen, an independent journalist who formerly covered the drug industry for the NEW YORK TIMES and is author of OUR DAILY MEDS: HOW THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES TRANSFORMED THEMSELVES INTO SLICK MARKETING MACHINES AND HOOKED THE NATION ON PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. Addressing how advertising and marketing have affected the prescription drug business, Petersen said: “A very powerful technique that the drug companies spend millions and millions of dollars on is hiring physicians to give lectures to other physicians on their drugs. It looks like the physician is up there giving his independent position on this drug, but often he’s been trained by an advertising agency. His slide presentation has been created by an ad agency. It looks like independent science, but it’s not... They want to get as many articles published in our medical journals as they can that show their products in favorable lights and will get physicians to prescribe them, so they often hire a Madison Avenue ad agency to write up an article for them or a study. The name of the ad agency rarely appears in the published version; instead, they hire doctors to put their names on as author... It’s gone so far that some independent scientists are starting to view our medical literature as propaganda.” Others, including the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), argue that “direct to consumer” ads help educate and engage prospective patients about their healthcare options. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/ > On this week’s JOURNAL, Bill Moyers spoke with Melody > Petersen, an independent journalist who formerly covered [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/ I especially like the part where they tell you that you will get a headache, have the sh.ts, get heart burn and can't get it up but might have a good nights rest if you are not planning to work or drive and you not planning on having kids. > > On this week’s JOURNAL, Bill Moyers spoke with Melody > > Petersen, an independent journalist who formerly covered [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > - Show quoted text - My mother succumbed to pancreatic cancer over a year ago; she lived seven months after being diagnosed. I essentially lived at her house for that time. One day, while she was asleep, I was reading a Reader's Digest magazine from the stack that she collected. I noticed what seemed like a lot of pharma advertisements, so, I counted the number of pages in the mag, then counted the number of pages devoted to pharma ads and to other ads -- amazing. Try it. > On May 17, 8:14 pm, "Smirnoff" <Unli...@unlisted.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > number of pages devoted to pharma ads and to other ads -- > amazing. Try it. Try tearing out every page that has an add and see how thick your mag is when you are done. Hell no!!! the worst thing is these drugs are all snake oil, they don't do sh.t, you're probably better off NOT taking them. Anti-depressants don't work, erectile dysfunction drugs don't work, the drugs that promise to make you stop peeing your pants don' work, they're all placebos, it's all bullshit. This country is nothing but a big pile of sh.t. "Fact Attack" whined... > Anti-depressants don't work, erectile dysfunction drugs don't work, > the drugs that promise to make you stop peeing your pants don' work, > they're all placebos, it's all bullshit. This country is nothing but > a big pile of sh.t. So the Pharmaceuticals are cr*p, but the Pharmaceutical Commercials are OK? Idiot. > "Fact Attack" whined... >> Anti-depressants don't work, erectile dysfunction drugs [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > So the Pharmaceuticals are cr*p, but the Pharmaceutical > Commercials are OK? Idiot. When has anyone ever taken commercials seriously? Or the FDA for that matter. > When has anyone ever taken commercials seriously? Or the FDA for that > matter. You'd be surprised how many people think the FDA is like the voice of unquestionable truth. Honestly, people are blinddeafdumb . Oh the FDA APPROVED it so it must be 'good'. Stupidheads. Just like spam emails, *someone* must be responding/buying/listening or they wouldnt be doing it. Pharma ads are brainwashing people with the names of their products so that they now go in and ask for a prescription by brand name instead of their doctor recommending it over another or a generic version. $$$ is what its all about and obviously it works. joanne > On May 18, 8:26 am, "Smirnoff" <Unli...@unlisted.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > joanne Yes, you are obviously right. I assume because I don't watch and listen that most do not. I stand corrected. The only good thing is the claims about the side effects that most are not aware of I guess. More proof of the dumbing down of Americans. Working to hard and long to be able to actually pay attention/care. On May 18, 8:26 am, "Smirnoff" <Unli...@unlisted.com> wrote: > When has anyone ever taken commercials seriously? Or the FDA for that > matter. You'd be surprised how many people think the FDA is like the voice of unquestionable truth. Honestly, people are blinddeafdumb . Oh the FDA APPROVED it so it must be 'good'. Stupidheads. What "choice" do the people have. "If" the people do not trust the FDA, who should they trust? > On May 18, 8:26 am, "Smirnoff" <Unli...@unlisted.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > What "choice" do the people have. "If" the people do not > trust the FDA, who should they trust? I guess you are right. My bad. Proof: At one time most Americans thought Saddam was responsible for 911, there were WMD and Al Qeada and terrorists in Iraq and Bush was a an honest president. Now if they will only smarten up just a little more and realize "It's not there money and they won't get it now." > > On May 18, 8:26 am, "Smirnoff" <Unli...@unlisted.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > just a little more and realize "It's not there money and they won't get it > now." "But Bush, but Bush, but Bush...." What more proof is needed that leftards are indeed idiots. Try to discuss FDA licensing and some retarded moron will try the Bush route. Thanks for playing. Snicker. > In article > <fkKZj.4759$lU5.2321@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Thanks for playing. Get used to it. The blame bush routine will be around a long time and rightly so. At least as long as you losers have tried to blame Clinton for every screw up that Bush made. There have been FDA issues and complaints for a long time. Why has the right not done anything to make it easier to get affordable drugs? Why has the right tried to block sales from Canada and other countries? Why do so many have to travel abroad for a kidney transplant and other organs. Why do people have to out source this to India? It sure couldn't be Clinton now could it? > > In article > > <fkKZj.4759$lU5.2321@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > Get used to it. I am, and I'm enjoying watching leftards in desperation resort to "but Bush, but Bush, but Bush..." Please, keep it up. It confirms what morons you are. Snicker. > In article > <r1LZj.4762$lU5.2634@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>, [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Please, keep it up. It confirms what morons you are. You are not even original. You are the one that tried to blame Clinton for everything that went wrong when he was no longer president. You are the moron here. Bush is your failed leader and there is nothing you can do about it no matter how much you cry. > > In article > > <r1LZj.4762$lU5.2634@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>, [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > > You are not even original. But you're obsessed with me, took you all of 18 minutes to find my post and respond. Snicker. > In article > <b93_j.4809$lU5.4643@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>, [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > But you're obsessed with me, took you all of 18 minutes > to find my post and respond. Wahahaha...........You are a loon aren't you. You are obsessed with yourself little man. Unlike you I have a life and post to you when I happen to get around to dealing with the like of such a low life. You are a raving flake. Wahahahaha.......... > > In article > > <b93_j.4809$lU5.4643@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>, [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > But you're obsessed with me, took you all of 18 minutes > > to find my post and respond. > You are obsessed with yourself.. Why not, I'm good, I have lots of leftards beside you dangling from my hook. BTW, betcha can't resist responding to this post. Snicker. Snicker. >> "Fact Attack" whined... >>> Anti-depressants don't work, erectile dysfunction drugs [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > When has anyone ever taken commercials seriously? Or the FDA for that > matter. Do you for a second believe that they are so stupid to throw away money on commericals if they knew it did not work? What is your beef with the FDA? >>> "Fact Attack" whined... >>>> Anti-depressants don't work, erectile dysfunction drugs [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > throw away money on commericals if they knew it did not > work? What is your beef with the FDA? The FDA should keep out of the beef industry. They are like any other branch of the government. They are a red tape wing and care more about making money for the drug companies while making sure people spend money on OTC and prescriptions Meds that do little or nothing more than potions and over priced concoctions. They try to forbid drugs that actually may work from being purchased from other countries at lower prices by scaring as many people they can. The current ungodly prices the drug companies get for many prescription hoaxes is criminal. > the worst thing is these drugs are all snake oil, they don't do sh.t, > you're probably better off NOT taking them. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > they're all placebos, it's all bullshit. This country is nothing but > a big pile of sh.t. As usual, you nutcases who hate America and Big Business, know nothing about what you rant about. Drugs do work, they provide relief for millions of people. A case in point: I have epilepsy, This is a disease that is not curable. You get it, you've got it for the rest of your life and the seizures can only be controlled by nmedication. Some 40 years ago when I was first diagnosed with it there were only 2 drugs being used to treat it: Dilanton and Phenobarbitol, The dilantin had its whole host of side effects and the Phenobarabitol kept you half asleep most of the time. taken as a combination, the treated epilepsy.....to a degree, for some not at all. Since the 60's There have been several drugs created: Topoax, Tegtretol, Depakote and others which do an outstanding job of stopping epileptic seziures without all of the nasty side effects. I know this from personal experience and from working as a volunteer with the National Epilepsy Foundation for the past 30 years. I'm sure that there are drugs that treat a whole other group of illnesses as well and that people would and will pay for them. If you want to continue spewing your BS about how bad the USA is, please, at least try to be informed about it. >> the worst thing is these drugs are all snake oil, they >> don't do sh.t, you're probably better off NOT taking [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > If you want to continue spewing your BS about how bad the > USA is, please, at least try to be informed about it. There is a big difference from real and fake drugs. Whan was the last time you saw and add for the meds you take? > > the worst thing is these drugs are all snake oil, they don't do sh.t, > > you're probably better off NOT taking them. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > nothing about > what you rant about. Except for the last statement, he said nothing about hating this country. He is misinformed about some drugs but that is all. > Drugs do work, they provide relief for millions of people. You are absolutely right here. > A case in point: I have epilepsy, This is a disease that is not > curable. You get it, you've got it for the rest of your life and the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the past > 30 years. And yet, I've never seen these drugs advertised. ANYWHERE. Why? Because they have limited appeal to the mass market. Many drugs are lifesavers and even some of the controversial ones are very effective for some people. The problem is that the drug makers have taken advertising where it should never have gone. They have patients asking doctors for drugs that may not be right for them--because some kindly doctor on TV said that it is a miracle drug. If the patient doesn't get the drug they're asking for, they will find a doctor who will give it to them. For many people, the side effects are worse than the problem they're taking the drug for. > I'm sure that there are drugs that treat a whole other group of > illnesses > as well and that people would and will pay for them. But does advertising those drugs make things worse or better? > If you want to continue spewing your BS about how bad the USA is, > please, at least try to be informed about it. Chill. It's only Usenet. I love this country, I'm a liberal and I think that allowing Big Pharm to advertise like they're doing now may not be such a good idea. If that classifies me as anAmerica and big business hater in your book, so be it. > > > the worst thing is these drugs are all snake oil, they don't do sh.t, > > > you're probably better off NOT taking them. [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > not be such a good idea. If that classifies me as anAmerica and big > business hater in your book, so be it. >>>I agree. It's interesting to see "free market companies" routinely seeking to limit consumer access to information.<<< Interesting, compelling remark you make here Retro. From the earliest days of human history access to certain, specialized information in society has been limited to the upper educational / "caste" levels in most any area; legal, medical, dental, accounting, engineering. The Web is intrinsically revolutionary because it provides much of the previously, privileged information to most levels of society that was previously only available to the select few. Have you ever used the word "internet" in the company of one of your healhcare providers; medical or dental? In article <f2081de3-2f9d-4f24-92a2-8ac3a87d8b55@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, > the worst thing is these drugs are all snake oil, they don't do sh.t, Wrong. > you're probably better off NOT taking them. Clearly you've been following your advice, to your detriment. Snicker. > In article > <f2081de3-2f9d-4f24-92a2-8ac3a87d8b55@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Clearly you've been following your advice, to your > detriment. What drugs are you taking? What are you swallowing? What's in your throat? > > In article > > <f2081de3-2f9d-4f24-92a2-8ac3a87d8b55@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > What drugs are you taking? You first. Snicker. > In article > <T2LZj.4763$lU5.3191@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > You first. Ok, I would guess you are on crack for one. Maybe you are shooting up some of that new stuff you kids like these days. What ever it is you sure need some professional intervention. Good luck now. > > In article > > <T2LZj.4763$lU5.3191@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > Ok, I would guess you are on crack for one. So you're obsessed with someone "on crack". Snicker. You lurk at your keyboard waiting for me to post so you can respond. It only took you 21 minutes to find my post an respond. Snicker. > In article > <Xb3_j.4810$lU5.2634@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > So you're obsessed with someone "on crack". I knew you had to be on something. At least you admit it. That is the first step to getting help. Snicker. > You lurk at your keyboard waiting for me to post so you > can respond. It only took you 21 minutes to find my post > an respond. Wahahaha..........You seem to be the one with the weird obsession druggie. Maybe you can talk it over with your keeper. Stop doing those drugs. > > In article > > <Xb3_j.4810$lU5.2634@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>, [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > I knew you had to be on something. So you're obsessed with someone "on crack". > Wahahaha..........You seem to be the one with the weird obsession... Must be why I have you dangling on my hook. Bethcha can't resist responding to this post either. Snicker. > In article > <Xb3_j.4810$lU5.2634@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net>, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > can respond. It only took you 21 minutes to find my post > an respond. Why are you so proud of using crack? >>>I agree. It's interesting to see "free market companies" routinely seeking to limit consumer access to information.<<< Interesting, compelling remark you make here Retro. From the earliest days of human history access to certain, specialized information in society has been limited to the upper educational / "caste" levels in most any area; legal, medical, dental, accounting, engineering. The Web is intrinsically revolutionary because it provides much of the previously, privileged information to most levels of society that was previously only available to the select few. Have you ever used the word "internet" in the company of one of your healhcare providers; medical or dental? No. Next question... |
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