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First off we've been trying to wean our son off of formula now that he is a year old. It figures taht in the meantime, last Monday he started to get a cold, clear runny nose. Then a couple days later, around Wednesday/Thursday, runny nose would sometimes be green. So I knew he had a cold. He had ear tubes put in End of February. Friday rolls around and he loses his appetite at daycare. Hardly drinking either. We rush to get him , leaving work early, so we could try to get fluids in him. Finally he has a wet diaper after about 6 hours. (we're told later that 8-10 hours is when you should *really* start to worry). Saturday he gets a 102 fever. We're lucky we get to our ped and get an antibiotic along with Ofloxin for the 1 ear that's infected. But he still hasn't eaten normally. He's really only taking in apple juice, bananas, yogurt here and there. It's really a fight to get him to eat. But he has wet diapers and is drinking. He won't take his milk (doesn't like whole cow's milk anyway which is part of the weaning problem so we're gonna try fortified soy) He's been active when awake though. Smiling and stuff. Just not hungry. My wife says I need to stop worrying, that he's chunky and he's not going to suffer. But i'm like "he's not getting his daily nutrients and fat and his brain is going to suffer and... and.. !!!". So.. does this happen and is it normal? Just thought I'd ask ya'll what some of your experiences are. I guess he'll be OK. I just hate knowing he's only drinking apple juice I will try to get some calcium fortified O.J. in him... > First off we've been trying to wean our son off of formula now that he > is a year old. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > I guess he'll be OK. I just hate knowing he's only drinking apple > juice I will try to get some calcium fortified O.J. in him... Give him just apple juice if that's all he wants. Sounds a reasonable ill person's meal! Haven't you ever been sick and not wanted to eat/drink certain things? Don't push what he doesn't want, or you may find he's refusing all, or associates certain foods with pain/discomfort and refuses them later. If his thoat is sore, OJ can give more pain, apple juice soothes, I find. Apple juice was all I could keep down for a time when pregnant with one of mine (Can't remember which one!). When #2 was about 18 months she had a violent vomiting bug where she was sick about every 5 minutes for around 4 hours. After 6 hours we got off the train and I put her down at the place she was staying. He legs gave under her and she fell to the ground. This is a child who doesn't stop moving usually. For about 24 hours after that whenever she took anything by mouth she brought it straight back again. She didn't take solids for about 3-4 days. (of course, this is the time when extended breastfeeding is wonderful; comfort and nutrients in one go!) You know what? A week later she was pretty much back to her normal energy levels, a bit thinner (and she's always been on the thin side) and eating a little extra to make up. Does that make you feel any better? Children are resilient. As long as your boy isn't dehydrated he'll be fine. Better for him to just drink in some ways. If his ears are bad, he may find swallowing painful, and it's certainly possible glands and/or throat is swollen too which will add to swallowing pain. He knows what he wants. Let him have it! Debbie >> First off we've been trying to wean our son off of formula now that he >> is a year old. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> (doesn't like whole cow's milk anyway which is part of the weaning >> problem so we're gonna try fortified soy) If he doesn't like cow milk, don't force it on him! My boys (18, and 6'1", 15 and 5'10" , and 10, quickly gaining on my 5'2") are living proof that you do not need to ever drink cow milk to be healthy. I just saw a doctor on tv that said the old wive's tale about daity products making more mucus is true. Kids sick with colds need lots of fluids like watered-down juice, plain water, and even weak sweetened tea. Diarrheal diseases are another story, however. >> He's been active when awake though. Smiling and stuff. Just not >> hungry. Really sick kids won't act all happy and smiley. Oral antibiotics will also make one have a queasy tummy, and that might make him not want to eat. >> My wife says I need to stop worrying, that he's chunky and he's not >> going to suffer. But i'm like "he's not getting his daily nutrients >> and fat and his brain is going to suffer and... and.. !!!". >> >> So.. does this happen and is it normal? Just thought I'd ask ya'll >> what some of your experiences are. If they don't want to eat , don't make them. They will let you know soon enough when they are ready to eat, and then they'll surprise you by how ravenous they are. >> I guess he'll be OK. I just hate knowing he's only drinking apple >> juice I will try to get some calcium fortified O.J. in him... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > certainly possible glands and/or throat is swollen too which will add to > swallowing pain. He knows what he wants. Let him have it! When they are listless, laying flat in bed for more than a day, and have sunken eyes , dry mouth and aren't producing any urine, then you have to worry. >>> First off we've been trying to wean our son off of formula now that he >>> is a year old. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >Really sick kids won't act all happy and smiley. Oral antibiotics will also >make one have a queasy tummy, and that might make him not want to eat. Mine was sick with a stomach bug when he was about eighteen months old. He was vomiting, couldn't keep a thing down, but it didn't slow him down. He ran around playing, stopping to vomit, than ran to play some more. I had to chase him with a towel. He was the Instamatic Barfomatic. The slightest nausea has me lying still in bed. Banty > When they are listless, laying flat in bed for more than a day, and have > sunken eyes , dry mouth and aren't producing any urine, then you have to > worry. Yeah, good point. That's not happening, he is happy and active (though not *quite* as active as normal) but definitely not listless, dry mouth, sunken eyes, etc. So maybe I am being overly worried. It's just hard not to be. I will try to relax! Hi -- I wouldn't worry at present. If he's reasonably active and making plenty of wet diapers, then this probably comes under the heading of "this too will pass". However, that he has had enough ear infections to need tubes AND doesn't like milk would make me alert to the possibility of a milk allergy. I'd be inclined to take him completely off of milk, including milk cooked into foods, for a week or so after he's well again to see if his overall health improves. --Beth Kevles bethkevles@gmail.PUT-THE-COM-HERE http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner. NOTE: No email is read at my MIT address. Use the GMAIL one if you would like me to reply. meatnub schrieb: > I guess he'll be OK. I just hate knowing he's only drinking apple > juice I will try to get some calcium fortified O.J. in him... Seriously, don't sweat it at this point. Sometimes kids get sick and they feel rotten and want to just be cuddled and not bothered with food. Go with the flow, keep breathing and relax. The appetite will come back and until then just give the kid what he's willing to eat and drink. It won't last for ever ;-) If he's not back to normal or at least somewhat normal within a couple of days, or if he appears to get worse I'd consider checking with your pediatrician, but as long as he's drinking and eating something (Popsicles count ;-) Bananas and yogurt definitely count!) he'll be ok. cu nicole relax! I'd probably hold off on any attempts to transition until after he's been well for a couple of weeks. But he'll do absolutely fine if he stays hydrated through an illness and it's not like he's eating nothing. Cheers Anne > He's been active when awake though. Smiling and stuff. Just not > hungry. If there's a real problem, he's not going to be alert and active and smiling. > My wife says I need to stop worrying, that he's chunky and he's not > going to suffer. But i'm like "he's not getting his daily nutrients > and fat and his brain is going to suffer and... and.. !!!". Your wife is right. He'll rebound when he's feeling better, and he'll be fine. > So.. does this happen and is it normal? Just thought I'd ask ya'll > what some of your experiences are. It's completely normal. Best wishes, Ericka > > He's been active when awake though. Smiling and stuff. Just not > > hungry. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Best wishes, > Ericka Well thanks everyone for all your input. Weell he did have almost a whole waffle this morning. At daycare yesterday he did have some yogurt, banana, some of his lunch (chicken, lima beans, spinach). Last night some pork, chicken, cole slaw potato salad (small bites of everything). I guess what REALLY concerns me is that he's not getting his calcium from milk. Today I packed him some Wheat Thins and cheddar cheese slices along with some Philly cream cheese and wheat bread. First time for both of those for him so we'll see how that goes. Since he's gone cold turkey off his formula, he's not drinking or should I say taking in the recommended 18-24 oz's of milk/dairy. He's been on Soy formula since he stopped breast feeding. Doesn't like the taste of cow's milk, and is accepting Soy milk, but isn't drinking enough out of his sippy cup like he does juice. So I guess I REALLY just worry that he's not getting enough calcium right now, though I am trying to get it in him in other ways (broccoli, cheese, waffles, wheat bread,...) It's frustrating. I just worry he's not getting enough nutrients like he would if he were drinking formula. meatnub schrieb: > I guess what REALLY concerns me is that he's not getting his calcium > from milk. Today I packed him some Wheat Thins and cheddar cheese > slices along with some Philly cream cheese and wheat bread. First time > for both of those for him so we'll see how that goes. <snip> > It's frustrating. I just worry he's not getting enough nutrients like > he would if he were drinking formula. Seriously, breathe. Calcium deficiencies are very rare, and as far as I know they usually happen in third world countries. Do you worry about your own nutrition as much as about that of your child? Take it easy, as long as he's eating a somewhat balanced diet (over the course of a week, not over the course of 30 minutes!) he'll be just fine. cu nicole well again thanks everyone for chiming in. though i tried to take your advice and be at ease it was tough this morning (and its raining out and that never seems to help my mood). but the update right now from daycare is that he was ravenous at lunch and is back to himself, trying to walk even more (even walking on his knees). ate all his lunch except his spinach (heheh). so i guess i worried over nothing. just another experience to learn by i suppose. > meatnub schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > cu > nicole thanks nicole. that's interesting advice as far as the balanced diet goes over the course of the week. i fret about making sure he has a balanced diet each day ,and find myself stressing to make sure he gets all his calcium, grains, proteins, green, iron, etc. etc. >well again thanks everyone for chiming in. though i tried to take your >advice and be at ease it was tough this morning (and its raining out [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >so i guess i worried over nothing. just another experience to learn by >i suppose. The most important thing to watch is how they *behave at that age*. Watch for what slows them down. If a kid that age gets listless or doesn't want to move, then its time to call the doctor right away. Extra cranky and/or clingy - need to make an appointment for some discomfort unless the source is known. But it's not like they'll lose all their bone mass due to not touching any milk for a few days. It's the *overall* diet thats important. Not how it breakdown meal by meal day by day. My OB told me - "babies were made to live in caves". Dark dirty crowded ice age caves. Seriously. So don't bother us 'till you get your cave ready ;-) Banty >>well again thanks everyone for chiming in. though i tried to take your >>advice and be at ease it was tough this morning (and its raining out [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >then its time to call the doctor right away. Extra cranky and/or clingy - need >to make an appointment for some discomfort unless the source is known. This holds true even after they are no longer little. DD#3 was at a combined training competition, and she was kind of lying on the horse's neck after she finished cross country. She finished the competition, but when I investigated I found that she had a raging fever. Which she said nothing about to me - she was about 13 at the time. >But it's not like they'll lose all their bone mass due to not touching any milk >for a few days. It's the *overall* diet thats important. Not how it breakdown [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Banty [snip] > I guess what REALLY concerns me is that he's not getting his calcium > from milk. Today I packed him some Wheat Thins and cheddar cheese > slices along with some Philly cream cheese and wheat bread. First time > for both of those for him so we'll see how that goes. [snip] If every meal had contain the exact amount of one vitamin or another, the human race would have died out long ago. Relax, don't worry, being off his milk temporarily won't harm him.  SignaturePenny Gaines UK mum to three > I guess what REALLY concerns me is that he's not getting his calcium > from milk. (1) A human does not need calcium from cow milk. It's convenient, sure, but a human (like a cow) can get calcium from leafy, green vegetables. (2) It's not the nutritional value per meal, nor even per day. If he's getting nutrition over the course of a week, that's all you need worry about. -- Anita -- > > > He's been active when awake though. Smiling and stuff. Just not > > > hungry. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > - Show quoted text - You can try infant cups with straws - my kids always drank better with those than they did out of sippy cups. I guess the novelty of it made it really fun, or at least intriguing. Thanks again every for your input. He's doing much better now, though now he no longer prefers oatmeal in the morning and likes waffles with butter and (organic) syrup. Uh oh I created a monster ;-) > > > > He's been active when awake though. Smiling and stuff. Just not > > > > hungry. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oooo good idea! > Thanks again every for your input. He's doing much better now, though > now he no longer prefers oatmeal in the morning and likes waffles with [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Uh oh, I bet you did! One taste of the sweet stuff is all it takes. lol. You can use real maple syrup though to get him off to a better start with things "necessitating" syrup. Maple syrup actually has some nutritional benefit, and regular syrup does not. Just a tip. > > Thanks again every for your input. He's doing much better now, though > > now he no longer prefers oatmeal in the morning and likes waffles with [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > - Show quoted text - That's what we bought - organic maple syrup Grade A Amber, so it says. It's has a flavor I am not used to, since I've grown up on prefab Aunt Jemima syrup and the like. And I find myself not pouring as much of this organic syrup as it has such a strong flavor as well you only need a little. >> Uh oh, I bet you did! One taste of the sweet stuff is all it takes. >> lol. You can use real maple syrup though to get him off to a better [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >this organic syrup as it has such a strong flavor as well you only >need a little. I'm surprised - it's sweeter and more intense a maple flavor. But people's taste expectations sometimes have a lot to do with satisfaction, and you may just need to start eating better foods enough to develop a taste for them. Banty > >It's has a flavor I am not used to, since I've grown up on prefab Aunt > >Jemima syrup and the like. And I find myself not pouring as much of > >this organic syrup as it has such a strong flavor as well you only > >need a little. > > I'm surprised - it's sweeter and more intense a maple flavor. Right, and that's what I meant by saying I don't need to pour as much of it, because it's so sweet and intense, i only need a little to enjoy it. Compared to Aunt Jemima, I found myself drowning my waffles in that stuff. >> >It's has a flavor I am not used to, since I've grown up on prefab Aunt >> >Jemima syrup and the like. And I find myself not pouring as much of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >enjoy it. Compared to Aunt Jemima, I found myself drowning my waffles >in that stuff. For cost reasons, too :) I put a little of it in my oatmeal - love it. I can get it locally easily. Banty > Right, and that's what I meant by saying I don't need to pour as much > of it, because it's so sweet and intense, i only need a little to > enjoy it. Compared to Aunt Jemima, I found myself drowning my waffles > in that stuff. Not as an offense, but I am disgusted at the thought. Drowning my waffles in Aunt Jemima is just too much sweet for my taste. meatnub <meatnub@gmail.com> wrote in news:ccddb74f-76e1-4ca4-bc48-fa85c91bef31@l64g2000hse.googlegr oups.com: > That's what we bought - organic maple syrup Grade A Amber, > so it says. oh my dear man! you paid too much for that 'organic' label on maple syrup. as a maple syrup producer, i can say that, unless one is adulterating the syrup, which would prevent one from calling it 'pure maple syrup' anyway, that it is not possible to make non-organic maple syrup. maple lots are not sprayed with pesticides, or even fertilized. pure maple syrup is organic, labeled so or not. around here that little "certified organic" sticker adds almost $4 to the price of a quart, which has made me seriously consider paying the $500 to get certified... yes, those certifications are bought (one does have to meet standards, of course, but they aren't that difficult unless you're wedded to Monsanto). > It's has a flavor I am not used to, since I've > grown up on prefab Aunt Jemima syrup and the like. And I > find myself not pouring as much of this organic syrup as it > has such a strong flavor as well you only need a little. yeah, it doesn't taste like corn syrup. the different grades have different flavors, as well. grade A light (or fancy, if it's using the Vermont scale) has the least flavor. grade A medium & dark are progressively more "maple" flavored & grade B (which most of us producers keep for ourselves!) has the most flavor & is best for baking/cooking. my son has, of course, grown up with real maple syrup & he uses lots :) i have photos somewhere of myself at 6 months pregnant balancing sap buckets on my baby belly to pour them into the boiler... if you have a couple trees & make your own syrup, tossing hot dogs into the boiling sap makes a really yummy lunch... but it's illegal to do that in syrup for sale, so i rarely get that treat. it's even not legal to use butter for defoaming now. i won't use the chemical defoamer, so i really have to watch the fire. lee <oh, mix a teaspoon of maple syrup into a cup of milk for the kid. my son loves maple milk> SignatureLast night while sitting in my chair I pinged a host that wasn't there It wasn't there again today The host resolved to NSA. enigma schrieb: <snip> > as a maple syrup producer, <snip> Ok, and you have kept this from us? Through all the Tim Tam and chocolate discussions? Do you ship internationally? How much does a small bottle of your syrup cost me, including shipping? Maple syrup is nearly impossible to buy here :-/ cu nicole > enigma schrieb: > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Ok, and you have kept this from us? Through all the Tim Tam > and chocolate discussions? i forget that not everyone knows. i'm sorry. > Do you ship internationally? How much does a small bottle > of your syrup cost me, including shipping? Maple syrup is > nearly impossible to buy here :-/ i didn't make much this year. we had the woodlot logged over the winter (has to have snowcover so it won't damage the tree roots), so all my saplines were down. i bought a new boiler (bigger) & preheater hood, which i have to firebrick & we'll be redesigning & rehanging the saplines this fall. i have another 75-100 trees i can put on now that we've cleaned up the woods. pints are about $5, but shipping is the killer. i haven't sent anything across the pond for several years, but in 2001 4 packages of Oreos to Scotland cost me $32... lee SignatureLast night while sitting in my chair I pinged a host that wasn't there It wasn't there again today The host resolved to NSA. enigma schrieb: <snip> > pints are about $5, but shipping is the killer. i haven't > sent anything across the pond for several years, but in 2001 4 > packages of Oreos to Scotland cost me $32... Ugh... Yeah, Shipping is always the killer isn't it? I was thinking about buying fiber (to spin, not to eat) from the states and shipping was over double the price of the fiber so I axed that idea :-/ I'll have to suck it up and save and save and save and go to the states for a gigantic shopping trip *lol* Yeah, it's about as likely as me marrying rich ;-) cu nicole > enigma schrieb: > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > shopping trip *lol* Yeah, it's about as likely as me > marrying rich ;-) well, next year we should have syrup in gallons. it occurs to me that shipping a gallon might be more cost effective than a pint, as maple syrup does freeze well. you can transfer it to smaller bottles there & freeze until needed perhaps? i bet i could pad the box with roving too ;) lee SignatureLast night while sitting in my chair I pinged a host that wasn't there It wasn't there again today The host resolved to NSA. enigma schrieb: >> enigma schrieb: >> <snip> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > smaller bottles there & freeze until needed perhaps? > i bet i could pad the box with roving too ;) Oh, you have roving, too? What else are you keeping a secret? Any single millionaires? Well, I'll talk to you about syrup next year then ;-) cu nicole > enigma schrieb: >>> enigma schrieb: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Well, I'll talk to you about syrup next year then ;-) Shipping a millionaire is going to cost *way* too much. > cu > nicole Clisby schrieb: >> enigma schrieb: >>>> enigma schrieb: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Shipping a millionaire is going to cost *way* too much. Oh, he can pay his own way ;-) cu nicole >Clisby schrieb: >>> enigma schrieb: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Oh, he can pay his own way ;-) He might be worth it, though.... > meatnub <meat...@gmail.com> wrote innews:ccddb74f-76e1-4ca4-bc48-fa85c91bef31@l64g2000hse.googlegr > oups.com: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > It wasn't there again today > The host resolved to NSA. Well I'm jealous. I wish I had some trees I could tap into. But unfortunately I have to pay for my syrup ;) Well, my DW bought the organic syrup, and i asked how much she paid and she said "a lot" so i figured around $5 or so, and it's definitely not a large container like Aunt Jemima. There is a Trader Joe's near me, as well as a Wegman's, which are like as close to natural grocery stores as you can get in my area, and I want to see if they carry "organic" syrup, or at least, as close to natural as possible compared to prefab commercial syrups. Mmm syrup in milk! If my 1 year old , with his 8 baby teeth, has waffles with syrup about 5 times a week, is that bad for his teeth as far as cavities are concerned? meatnub <meatnub@gmail.com> wrote in news:92f7c69a-531f-48f9-bfb5-404201d1aefc@34g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com: > Well I'm jealous. I wish I had some trees I could tap into. you only need a couple trees, red maple or sugar maple. you can also make syrup from black birch... but don't boil syrup in your kitchen unless you have a vented to the outside range hood! the boiling sap will cover *everything* with sticky! > But unfortunately I have to pay for my syrup ;) > There is a Trader Joe's near me, as well as a Wegman's, > which are like as close to natural grocery stores as you > can get in my area, and I want to see if they carry > "organic" syrup, or at least, as close to natural as > possible compared to prefab commercial syrups. i *love* Wegman's. we don't have either here (the closest Wegman's is 260+ miles, but it's less than 30 miles from my summer place), i'm pretty sure the Auburn Wegman's has organic maple syrup, & that's one of the small stores. if you're near one of the big stores, they'll definitely have it. > Mmm syrup in milk! try it! it's very good. if you're lucky sometimes you can find pure maple cotton candy at fairs. try that too if you get a chance. i want one of the cotton candy spinners, but they're around $5000! not in the budget yet. > If my 1 year old , with his 8 baby teeth, has waffles with > syrup about 5 times a week, is that bad for his teeth as > far as cavities are concerned? you should be already brushing his teeth, so no, it shouldn't hurt them. giving a toddler a bottle of milk for bed is far worse for his teeth. if you *aren't* brushing his teeth, please do start doing so. lee SignatureLast night while sitting in my chair I pinged a host that wasn't there It wasn't there again today The host resolved to NSA. <SNIP> > That's what we bought - organic maple syrup Grade A Amber, so it says. > It's has a flavor I am not used to, since I've grown up on prefab Aunt > Jemima syrup and the like. And I find myself not pouring as much of > this organic syrup as it has such a strong flavor as well you only > need a little. I wonder what "organic" maple syrup is? How could a maple tree not be natural or whatever? Farmers tap existing trees. It is not like there are maple growing farms. How could real maple syrup not be organic? Sap from tree. Boil. Syrup. I don't get it. > <SNIP> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I don't get it. This tree farm explains why they call their maple organic http://www.maplevalleysyrup.com/AllsyrupOrganic.html >> <SNIP> >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > This tree farm explains why they call their maple organic > http://www.maplevalleysyrup.com/AllsyrupOrganic.html from the website: • No pesticides or chemicals were used to manage this forest.Like any crop, a forest can beand is sprayed for insect problems or have unwanted trees that can be and are killed by chemicals. The same organic standards for field crops apply to maple forest i.e. buffer zones, runoff, no fertilizers etc.. Organic certification assures no pesticides/chemicals were used. ok, i suppose i can see the buffer zones, but i have never heard of anyone using pesticides, herbicides or any type of fertilizer on their woodlot. *none* of those things are good woodlot practice, with or without maple trees. • No formaldehyde has been used in treetapping. Recent articles in the maple press indicate widespread use of this chemical in tree tapping even though it is illegal. Organic standards do not allow the use of formaldehyde. huh? how exactly would formaldehyde be used in tapping? i am a member of the Maple Producer's Association, so i see the monthly newsletters. in 10 years i've never seen a mention of formaldehyde. i do know there are radical vegans that think using vacuum pumps is a horrible thing (i don't because i have enough down slope). under serious study it's been shown to cause less damage to the tree than regular tapping, because a smaller spile can be used, but it's an expensive process to set & run. • A healthy forest. Organic standards limit the number of taps in maple trees. This practice sustains the health of the tree. Conventional methods can use as many taps as desired.Organic certification guarantees a wholistic approach to maple production. no real producer ever puts more than 2 taps per tree, no matter how large the diameter. i have a lot of trees that only get one tap. since you have to place the tap a *minimum* of 4" away from where it was last year, overtapping is not in a producer's best interests. lee SignatureLast night while sitting in my chair I pinged a host that wasn't there It wasn't there again today The host resolved to NSA. >>> <SNIP> >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > fertilizer on their woodlot. *none* of those things are good > woodlot practice, with or without maple trees. I can't even imagine it around here (Vermont, USA). There are not separate maple tree farms. The syrup producers go out into their woods and their neighbor's woods (hey, Frank, mind if I tap your trees?) and tap. You would not spray a bunch of neighboring pines and just sort if hammer the acreage. > . No formaldehyde has been used in treetapping. Recent > articles in the maple press indicate widespread use of this [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > 4" away from where it was last year, overtapping is not in a > producer's best interests. Of course not. You don't want to damage the tree. You want it to produce next year also. > lee >> ok, i suppose i can see the buffer zones, but i have never >> heard of anyone using pesticides, herbicides or any type [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > spray a bunch of neighboring pines and just sort if hammer > the acreage. i'm in NH. and pine is fairly valuable for harvest, so you aren't going to want to spray chemicals on it, even if you want it out of a sugarbush. i found most of those "reasons" to be usual procedure for gathering sap. i suspect that that site is aimed towards people who have no idea how maple syrup is made. it makes syrup producers that don't shell out for that 'organic' label look like the confined feedlot operators of the maple industy ;) lee SignatureLast night while sitting in my chair I pinged a host that wasn't there It wasn't there again today The host resolved to NSA. > <SNIP> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I don't get it. exactly, but some people want that "certified organic" label & they will pay more to get it. you can bet those of us who make a primary income from those 2-6 weeks of sap run are going to oblige if it means more revenue (over the cost of getting the woodlot certified) lee SignatureLast night while sitting in my chair I pinged a host that wasn't there It wasn't there again today The host resolved to NSA. > First off we've been trying to wean our son off of formula now that he > is a year old. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > I guess he'll be OK. I just hate knowing he's only drinking apple > juice I will try to get some calcium fortified O.J. in him... As long as his fever is gone and he is no longer acting uncomfortable, lethargic, etc., he should be fine. Babies can actually be good judges of what their previously sick tummies can handle, so let him go with that. There is a thing called the BRAT diet - bread/bananas, rice, apples (sauce or juice), and toast. They usually need to start off on these bland foods because their tummies can still be sensitive after some "turmoil." You don't need to fret over nutritional content of the foods during illness. There is also a saying that I found true with my kids, but they regulate themselves to it - starve a fever and feed a cold. If you are really worried about nutrition, you could check on some liquid vitamins, or chewables if he is able to chew them. His brain is not going to suffer from a short-term absence of a nutrient - the body is a remarkable thing - it stores certain things in case of short-term emergencies. > that. There is a thing called the BRAT diet - bread/bananas, rice, > apples (sauce or juice), and toast. It's actually applesauce, not juice. BRAT diet is usually given for a child who has had diarrhea, because those are all binding foods. Apple juice does the opposite, and can encourage loose stools. I've also never seen bread in the BRAT diet. Michelle Flutist > > that. There is a thing called the BRAT diet - bread/bananas, rice, > > apples (sauce or juice), and toast. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Michelle > Flutist Well, toast is made from bread. lol. (it is actually supposed to be dry toast due to the butter being more likely to upset a diarrheal illness.) Actually, there is even a BRATT diet, which includes an extra T for tea as well. I looked it up in my medical dictionary prior to posting just to be sure because people dictate it with different foods, and I wondered why - of course, you do not want to give apple juice if a child has diarrhea who knowingly reacts that way to apple juice, but apple juice can actually have a binding effect in pediatric patients, thereby acting in reverse, for many children. A phenomenon I believe can be confirmed online, but I don't have time to do it now - my niece being one of those. The BRAT diet is recommended because the foods are complex carbohydrates and are easier to digest. The point is it represents different things to different people and can serve more than one purpose, i.e. just plain bland foods for a queasy tummy, and some people throw crackers in there too with no representing letter even!, or it can represent the foods that have a binding effect for diarrheal illnesses. "meatnub" <meatnub@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3e5beeda-488a-4e2f-8f14- <snip> > My wife says I need to stop worrying, that he's chunky and he's not > going to suffer. But i'm like "he's not getting his daily nutrients > and fat and his brain is going to suffer and... and.. !!!". Nobody needs "daily" nutrients. People need to have a balanced healthy diet. I know that when I am sick, or recovering from sick, I don't want to eat either. And meds can make it worse. > So.. does this happen and is it normal? Just thought I'd ask ya'll > what some of your experiences are. > > I guess he'll be OK. I just hate knowing he's only drinking apple > juice I will try to get some calcium fortified O.J. in him... |
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