Angelina Jolie wants to name her twins Castor and Pollux
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Apple Shiloh Suri - 21 May 2008 00:42 GMT http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/angelina-jolie-and-brad-pitt-argue-over-baby-n ames-3258.html Published on Tue 20 May 2008 ANGELINA JOLIE AND BRAD PITT ARGUE OVER BABY NAMES
There's trouble in Paradise for Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, whose twins are due in August. The pair should be delighted - they haven't had to spend a penny on getting this pair (unlike some of their other offspring), yet still they're falling out.
The Golden Couple are arguing over what to call the pair of little smashers. Angelina is a Gemini, which means she is strong, passionate and a believer in a ridiculous system of prediction where a presumably a twelfth of the world would be able to point at their horoscope in The Sun and squeal "That's uncanny! That's about me!"
She would like to name the children after the twins that make up Gemini, Castor and Pollux (the brothers of Helen of Troy). So far, so much hippy nonsense, but Brad isn't happy. Being a man of experience he has been around earthy types such as Guy Ritchie and Jason Statham (for which he deserves a medal of some kind).
No, Brad knows full well that one of these names sounds like a British swear word and is doing everything in his power to dissuade his wife from naming one of the twins after a set of testicles, hence their falling out.
Quite right, Brad. You wouldn't want kids in school taking the piss out of your kids' names, would you? Just ask Zahara, Maddox and the Spooneristic Shiloh Pitt. Hopefully he can talk her round and come up with a lovely traditional name such as 'Bricktop Bullet-Tooth Tony Wankaaah.'
http://www.azcentral.com/ent/celeb/articles/2008/05/19/20080519pittangelina0519.html Pitt, Jolie arguing over twins' names
Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie cant agree on names for their unborn twins.
The couple - who are expecting twins in August are said to be arguing over potential names because Brad doesnt like Angelinas suggestions.
Gemini Angelina reportedly wants to name the babies Castor and Pollox after the twins of her birth sign, but Brad has dismissed the suggestion as he doesnt want a daughter with a name like a British cuss word.
Angelina confirmed she was expecting twins in an interview last week after her Kung Fu Panda co-star Jack Black let the news slip during an interview at the Cannes Film Festival.
Actor Dustin Hoffman later revealed the babies are due on August 19.
Angelina and Brad already have three adopted children, Maddox, 6, Pax, 4, and Zahara, 3, and a biological daughter, Shiloh, 23 months.
robbielynn - 21 May 2008 01:07 GMT Of course they would be called " K" and "PO".
Christopher Helms - 21 May 2008 21:20 GMT > Of course they would be called " K" and > "PO". Although they are odd names, I have to admit something like K-Poxlie and Castorpitlie would have kind of a nice ring, in a gossip mag sort of way.
Taylor - 21 May 2008 01:13 GMT > http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/angelina-jolie-and-brad-pitt-argue-... > Published on Tue 20 May 2008 [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > Angelina and Brad already have three adopted children, Maddox, 6, Pax, > 4, and Zahara, 3, and a biological daughter, Shiloh, 23 months. Idiots. I hope that happy homewrecker gets some karms throttled back to her tenfolds. I like how they IGNORE their biological child, but trot out their adopted (as some racist once said "Brown babies") proudly. Do they lock poor Shiloh in a box? Now there's (((2))) new biological children for Brad and Angelina to ignore.
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Taylor - 21 May 2008 01:22 GMT > On May 20, 7:42 pm, Apple Shiloh Suri > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yuck. What pukey names. "Castor" reminds me of gross Castor oil, they use to give people when you were sick (I can picture all the Tom & Jerry-like cartoons). And Pollux sounds like some sort of retro '50s/'60s vacuum cleaner.
Jan Owen - 21 May 2008 01:26 GMT DILLIGAS???
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> http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/angelina-jolie-and-brad-pitt-argue-over-baby-n ames-3258.html > Published on Tue 20 May 2008 [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > Angelina and Brad already have three adopted children, Maddox, 6, Pax, > 4, and Zahara, 3, and a biological daughter, Shiloh, 23 months. power@manlymail.net - 21 May 2008 01:42 GMT It's amusing to see how people automatically believe this sh.t. The same way they all bought into the Angelina "homewrecker" lie.
People really have sad lives. They are just sad and angry.
Jan Owen - 21 May 2008 01:52 GMT > It's amusing to see how people automatically believe this sh.t. The > same way they all bought into the Angelina "homewrecker" lie. > > People really have sad lives. They are just sad and angry. No. They're just sick and tired of crossposted garbage like this...
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Ar Q - 21 May 2008 03:57 GMT http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/angelina-jolie-and-brad-pitt-argue-over-baby-n ames-3258.html
Does anyone know if the doctor put two into her womb or Brad shot double?
Nancy2 - 21 May 2008 15:37 GMT > http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/angelina-jolie-and-brad-pitt-argue-... > > Does anyone know if the doctor put two into her womb or Brad shot double? You do know, don't you, that the tendency to have twins comes down through the mother's side of the pair, and tends also to skip generations. Perhaps Angie's grandmother was a twin.
If you don't know this, go back to school, or back under the bridge, whichever is appropriate.
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trickster206@yahoo.com - 21 May 2008 16:13 GMT > >http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/angelina-jolie-and-brad-pitt-argue-... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > N. I'm very, very suspect when these celebrities have twins.
On the morning shows at least they are honest enough to say an "everyday regular " woman took fertility drugs and gained duplicates, quads, etc.
Nancy2 - 21 May 2008 16:18 GMT On May 21, 10:13 am, "trickster...@yahoo.com" <trickster...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/angelina-jolie-and-brad-pitt-argue-... > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Speaking as a mom, I can't imagine there are a lot of women who would purposely go for a multiple birth. There's too much chance of problems.
All it takes for natural twins is some twinning in the mom's ancestry.
N.
Swynford - 23 May 2008 14:13 GMT Beats Castor & Oil
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Ubiquitous - 21 May 2008 09:28 GMT surishiloh@apple.alienbabynames.lol wrote:
>ANGELINA JOLIE AND BRAD PITT ARGUE OVER BABY NAMES What's this article have to with this newsgroup?
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DaveJohnson12@nomail. - 22 May 2008 01:39 GMT >http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/angelina-jolie-and-brad-pitt-argue-over-baby-n ames-3258.html >Published on Tue 20 May 2008 [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >out of your kids' names, would you? Just ask Zahara, Maddox and the >Spooneristic Shiloh Pitt. ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~
It's hard not to laugh at that.
> Hopefully he can talk her round and come up >with a lovely traditional name such as 'Bricktop Bullet-Tooth Tony [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Angelina and Brad already have three adopted children, Maddox, 6, Pax, >4, and Zahara, 3, and a biological daughter, Shiloh, 23 months. The Starmaker - 22 May 2008 06:26 GMT She should give them Hollywood names like Mel or Max.
>>http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/angelina-jolie-and-brad-pitt-argue-over-baby-n ames-3258.html >>Published on Tue 20 May 2008 [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >>Angelina and Brad already have three adopted children, Maddox, 6, Pax, >>4, and Zahara, 3, and a biological daughter, Shiloh, 23 months. Magda - 22 May 2008 21:40 GMT ... She should give them Hollywood names like Mel or Max.
So, everybody is sure the babies are male?
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L.A.T. - 22 May 2008 21:48 GMT > On Wed, 21 May 2008 22:26:20 -0700, in alt.gossip.celebrities, The > Starmaker [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ===== > It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. I know who Castor and Pollux are. Who are Angelina and Jolie?
cloudreamer - 22 May 2008 23:09 GMT > ===== > It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. Votre horloge n'est pas correcte. Vous etes d'un jour en avant. Peut etre c'est le fuseau horaire.
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The Starmaker - 23 May 2008 02:21 GMT >> ===== >> It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > :) It certainty doesn't look better in French! I cannot even read it!! It looks like it's missing letters there somewhere...correcte doesn't look correcte to me. It looks incorrecte!
cloudreamer - 23 May 2008 02:52 GMT >>> ===== >>> It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > looks like it's missing letters there somewhere...correcte doesn't > look correcte to me. It looks incorrecte! Non. Correcte n'est pas incorrecte. C'est correcte. Si on peut le comprendre.
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marika - 31 May 2008 16:18 GMT >>> :) >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Non. Correcte n'est pas incorrecte. C'est correcte. Si on peut le > comprendre. ..read about half of it >
i'd say that it's not frankish product
I think it is Franish updated by you
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> . Fascinating Seniors >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > "Made it back to Frisco in the vanity chest/To the painted ladies on house > arrest"--Stephen Malkmus Magda - 23 May 2008 05:57 GMT ... Magda wrote: ... ... > ===== ... > It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. ... ... ... Votre horloge n'est pas correcte. Vous etes d'un jour en avant. Peut ... etre c'est le fuseau horaire. ... ... :)
Mais si, c'est correct! il est 6h53 ici en ce moment! :)
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cloudreamer - 23 May 2008 14:29 GMT > ... Magda wrote: > ... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ===== > It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. C'est un jour avant!!!
Si vous ne le corrigez pas, les autres vont "killfile" vos messages parce qu'ils apparaissent sur le dessus des autres. C'est plus difficile de lire les autres messages. C'est votre choix, mais si vous voulez les autres de lire vos messages, je pense que c'est importante de corriger le problem.
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Magda - 23 May 2008 15:40 GMT ... Magda wrote: ... > On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:39:51 -0230, in alt.gossip.celebrities, cloudreamer ... > <Stop@Climate.change> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this: ... > ... > ... Magda wrote: ... > ... ... > ... > ===== ... > ... > It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. ... > ... ... > ... ... > ... Votre horloge n'est pas correcte. Vous etes d'un jour en avant. Peut ... > ... etre c'est le fuseau horaire. ... > ... ... > ... :) ... > ... > Mais si, c'est correct! il est 6h53 ici en ce moment! :) ... > ... > ... > ===== ... > It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. ... ... ... C'est un jour avant!!!
Avant quoi, le Jugement Dernier?
... Si vous ne le corrigez pas, les autres vont "killfile" vos messages ... parce qu'ils apparaissent sur le dessus des autres. C'est plus difficile ... de lire les autres messages. C'est votre choix, mais si vous voulez les ... autres de lire vos messages, je pense que c'est importante de corriger ... le problem.
Je n'y peux rien si le jour commence plus tôt chez moi que chez vous, à la fin...!
Normalement, si ma date n'est pas correcte, je ne peux pas envoyer de message, ça bloque. Il se peut que mon ISP déraille, aussi... Ce ne serait pas la première fois.
===== It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does.
cloudreamer - 23 May 2008 16:02 GMT > ... Magda wrote: > ... > On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:39:51 -0230, in alt.gossip.celebrities, cloudreamer [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Normalement, si ma date n'est pas correcte, je ne peux pas envoyer de message, ça bloque. > Il se peut que mon ISP déraille, aussi... Ce ne serait pas la première fois. Votre l'heure est correcte maintenant. Ca n'est pas difficile, eh?
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Magda - 23 May 2008 17:25 GMT ... Magda wrote: ... > On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:59:52 -0230, in alt.gossip.celebrities, cloudreamer ... > <Global_warming@is.real> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this: ... > ... > ... Magda wrote: ... > ... > On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:39:51 -0230, in alt.gossip.celebrities, cloudreamer ... > ... > <Stop@Climate.change> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this: ... > ... > ... > ... > ... Magda wrote: ... > ... > ... ... > ... > ... > ===== ... > ... > ... > It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. ... > ... > ... ... > ... > ... ... > ... > ... Votre horloge n'est pas correcte. Vous etes d'un jour en avant. Peut ... > ... > ... etre c'est le fuseau horaire. ... > ... > ... ... > ... > ... :) ... > ... > ... > ... > Mais si, c'est correct! il est 6h53 ici en ce moment! :) ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ===== ... > ... > It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. ... > ... ... > ... ... > ... C'est un jour avant!!! ... > ... > Avant quoi, le Jugement Dernier? ... > ... > ... Si vous ne le corrigez pas, les autres vont "killfile" vos messages ... > ... parce qu'ils apparaissent sur le dessus des autres. C'est plus difficile ... > ... de lire les autres messages. C'est votre choix, mais si vous voulez les ... > ... autres de lire vos messages, je pense que c'est importante de corriger ... > ... le problem. ... > ... > Je n'y peux rien si le jour commence plus tôt chez moi que chez vous, à la fin...! ... > ... > Normalement, si ma date n'est pas correcte, je ne peux pas envoyer de message, ça bloque. ... > Il se peut que mon ISP déraille, aussi... Ce ne serait pas la première fois. ... ... ... Votre l'heure est correcte maintenant. Ca n'est pas difficile, eh?
J'en sais rien, je n'ai rien fait.
===== It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does.
cloudreamer - 23 May 2008 17:33 GMT > ... Magda wrote: > ... > On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:59:52 -0230, in alt.gossip.celebrities, cloudreamer [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > J'en sais rien, je n'ai rien fait. C'est etrange et c'est bon...bienvenue au present...
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Magda - 23 May 2008 17:56 GMT ... Magda wrote: ... > On Fri, 23 May 2008 12:32:30 -0230, in alt.gossip.celebrities, cloudreamer ... > <Global_warming@is.real> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this: ... > ... > ... Magda wrote: ... > ... > On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:59:52 -0230, in alt.gossip.celebrities, cloudreamer ... > ... > <Global_warming@is.real> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this: ... > ... > ... > ... > ... Magda wrote: ... > ... > ... > On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:39:51 -0230, in alt.gossip.celebrities, cloudreamer ... > ... > ... > <Stop@Climate.change> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this: ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... Magda wrote: ... > ... > ... > ... ... > ... > ... > ... > ===== ... > ... > ... > ... > It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. ... > ... > ... > ... ... > ... > ... > ... ... > ... > ... > ... Votre horloge n'est pas correcte. Vous etes d'un jour en avant. Peut ... > ... > ... > ... etre c'est le fuseau horaire. ... > ... > ... > ... ... > ... > ... > ... :) ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > Mais si, c'est correct! il est 6h53 ici en ce moment! :) ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ... > ===== ... > ... > ... > It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. ... > ... > ... ... > ... > ... ... > ... > ... C'est un jour avant!!! ... > ... > ... > ... > Avant quoi, le Jugement Dernier? ... > ... > ... > ... > ... Si vous ne le corrigez pas, les autres vont "killfile" vos messages ... > ... > ... parce qu'ils apparaissent sur le dessus des autres. C'est plus difficile ... > ... > ... de lire les autres messages. C'est votre choix, mais si vous voulez les ... > ... > ... autres de lire vos messages, je pense que c'est importante de corriger ... > ... > ... le problem. ... > ... > ... > ... > Je n'y peux rien si le jour commence plus tôt chez moi que chez vous, à la fin...! ... > ... > ... > ... > Normalement, si ma date n'est pas correcte, je ne peux pas envoyer de message, ça bloque. ... > ... > Il se peut que mon ISP déraille, aussi... Ce ne serait pas la première fois. ... > ... ... > ... ... > ... Votre l'heure est correcte maintenant. Ca n'est pas difficile, eh? ... > ... > J'en sais rien, je n'ai rien fait. ... > ... ... C'est etrange et c'est bon...bienvenue au present... ... ... :)
Le seul endroit où il fait bon vivre! ;))
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cloudreamer - 23 May 2008 18:16 GMT > ... Magda wrote: > ... > On Fri, 23 May 2008 12:32:30 -0230, in alt.gossip.celebrities, cloudreamer [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > Le seul endroit où il fait bon vivre! ;)) LOL....ou peut etre, litteralement, RDF.
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The Starmaker - 23 May 2008 18:30 GMT > ... Magda wrote: > ... > On Fri, 23 May 2008 12:32:30 -0230, in alt.gossip.celebrities, cloudreamer [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >===== >It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. Did you know the toothbrush was invented by the French?
It's suppose to be teethbrush, not toothbrush! I guess the French don't know how to speak english.
Q. Why don't the French eat M&M candies? A. They're too hard to peel.
MC - 23 May 2008 18:42 GMT > It's suppose to be teethbrush, not toothbrush! I guess the French > don't know how to speak english. Brosse à dents *is* plural.
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MC - 23 May 2008 18:47 GMT In article <copespaz-25AEE7.13421623052008@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> > It's suppose to be teethbrush, not toothbrush! I guess the French > > don't know how to speak english. > > Brosse à dents *is* plural. Well the dents part is. One brosse, many dents,.
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doomella - 23 May 2008 01:26 GMT > On Wed, 21 May 2008 22:26:20 -0700, in alt.gossip.celebrities, The > Starmaker [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So, everybody is sure the babies are male? Come on -- Hollywood babies called "Mel" or "Max" would almost certainly be female today. Baby boys would be called Mandela, Shia or Gale.
The Starmaker - 23 May 2008 02:27 GMT >> On Wed, 21 May 2008 22:26:20 -0700, in alt.gossip.celebrities, The >> Starmaker [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >female today. >Baby boys would be called Mandela, Shia or Gale. Pretty soon they are going to be naming their children after Japanese monsters like "Godzilla"!!!!! Mothra. King Kong.
Why don't we call him "Dracula", he'll grow up to be an Hollywood Agent!
Chookie - 23 May 2008 13:02 GMT > Pretty soon they are going to be naming their children after Japanese > monsters like "Godzilla"!!!!! Mothra. King Kong. I am still recovering from reading one of those reader-contributed magazines where the mother named her daughter Chanel and her son Armani...
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marika - 30 May 2008 03:25 GMT > Pretty soon they are going to be naming their children after Japanese > monsters like "Godzilla"!!!!! Mothra. King Kong. > > Why don't we call him "Dracula", he'll grow up to be an Hollywood > Agent! I think it's more likely he'll then go into the health care industry
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> so what do you think will happen to the vampires in the end times. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> fire >> you. You understand? Do you? Good. "--Vampire's Kiss Magda - 23 May 2008 05:57 GMT ... ... "Magda" <pikrodafni@death_to_markku_noos.fr.invalid> wrote in message ... news:hjae34ld0d1f29pq3j7rffflo0orsep9pe@4ax.com... ... > On Wed, 21 May 2008 22:26:20 -0700, in alt.gossip.celebrities, The ... > Starmaker ... > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like ... > this: ... > ... > ... She should give them Hollywood names like Mel or Max. ... > ... > So, everybody is sure the babies are male? ... ... ... Come on -- Hollywood babies called "Mel" or "Max" would almost certainly be ... female today. ... Baby boys would be called Mandela, Shia or Gale.
I know, but even them would not dare call girls Castor and Pollux. Unless they want to tell the world how ignorant they are.
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doomella - 23 May 2008 14:46 GMT > ... > ... "Magda" <pikrodafni@death_to_markku_noos.fr.invalid> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > they want to > tell the world how ignorant they are. Ignorance? They prefer to think of it as "unconventional."
Magda - 23 May 2008 15:40 GMT ... ... "Magda" <pikrodafni@death_to_markku_noos.fr.invalid> wrote in message ... news:co7f345lpq9tb3o6rrqh2m9c1uolc4u34p@4ax.com... ... > On Thu, 22 May 2008 20:26:09 -0400, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "doomella" ... > <doomella.1@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this: ... > ... > ... ... > ... "Magda" <pikrodafni@death_to_markku_noos.fr.invalid> wrote in message ... > ... news:hjae34ld0d1f29pq3j7rffflo0orsep9pe@4ax.com... ... > ... > On Wed, 21 May 2008 22:26:20 -0700, in alt.gossip.celebrities, The ... > ... > Starmaker ... > ... > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked ... > like ... > ... > this: ... > ... > ... > ... > ... She should give them Hollywood names like Mel or Max. ... > ... > ... > ... > So, everybody is sure the babies are male? ... > ... ... > ... ... > ... Come on -- Hollywood babies called "Mel" or "Max" would almost ... > certainly be ... > ... female today. ... > ... Baby boys would be called Mandela, Shia or Gale. ... > ... > I know, but even them would not dare call girls Castor and Pollux. Unless ... > they want to ... > tell the world how ignorant they are. ... ... ... Ignorance? They prefer to think of it as "unconventional."
A rose by any other name, my dear, is still a rose. :)
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Wating for the DVD on the sales racks maybe - 25 May 2008 05:09 GMT > http://www.holymoly.co.uk/news/28/angelina-jolie-and-brad-pitt-argue-... > Published on Tue 20 May 2008 [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > Angelina and Brad already have three adopted children, Maddox, 6, Pax, > 4, and Zahara, 3, and a biological daughter, Shiloh, 23 months. Just imagine how much energy - time - and brain power will be wasted discussing anything about the loving parents listed above. In fact I added to the waste by typing these 3 lines. My apologies to all ...
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