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Donna Metler - 25 May 2008 15:30 GMT
DD's gone with me to the dentist to ride on the chair, look at her teeth,
and so on without any trouble. It's a family practice, and the dentist is a
mother of one of her occasional playmates (although she usually sees the
little girl with her Nanny due to mommy's work schedule).  It's
child-friendly, and she especially seems to love the tooth models and one of
the hygenists.

However, we just got the reminder card for her appointment next month, and
Daddy showed it to her, thinking she'd like getting mail with her name on
it, and it had a totally different reaction than we expected. She's definite
that she DOES NOT want to go to the dentist-to the point of having
nightmares about it (she was crying and screaming about going to the dentist
this morning, while still asleep). She really seems scared, yet I can't
figure out what would have triggered it. As far as I know, she's never seen
a TV show or read a book that would have led to anxiety, and neither DH nor
I are scared of the dentist.

At this point, if she's this anxious, I don't know that I'll be able to even
get her in the building short of bodily force, and that's the last thing I
want to do-but, at the same time, I don't want to cancel the appointment or
give in, because it's something she needs. So, I am very open to
suggestions.
toypup - 25 May 2008 16:33 GMT
> At this point, if she's this anxious, I don't know that I'll be able to
> even get her in the building short of bodily force, and that's the last
> thing I want to do-but, at the same time, I don't want to cancel the
> appointment or give in, because it's something she needs. So, I am very
> open to suggestions.

Pediatric dentist.  My kids were both frightened of dentists, but they did
fine at the pediatric dentist, who had all sorts of kid-oriented things
around.
Zipadee - 25 May 2008 23:18 GMT
> > At this point, if she's this anxious, I don't know that I'll be able to
> > even get her in the building short of bodily force, and that's the last
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> fine at the pediatric dentist, who had all sorts of kid-oriented things
> around.

I second this. My DD was afraid of doctors and dentists but did pretty
well
over the years with the pediatric dentist. I also learned to wait til
the very
last minute to tell her she was going because otherwise she'd worry.
We
always went in the morning without breakfast (my kids have a strong
gag
reflex) so she would figure it out when she didn't get breakfast.
Afterwards
we would go to Dunkin Donuts for breakfast - we never went there at
other
times.

She went to that dentist til she was 18.

-- Zip
Sarah Vaughan - 25 May 2008 18:23 GMT
> At this point, if she's this anxious, I don't know that I'll be able to even
> get her in the building short of bodily force, and that's the last thing I
> want to do-but, at the same time, I don't want to cancel the appointment or
> give in, because it's something she needs. So, I am very open to
> suggestions.

Would she be able to talk about what she thinks happens at the
dentist's, and *why* she's scared?  If talking about it directly is too
difficult, do you think she'd be able to draw a picture about it that
might help express her feelings/get her talking?  Or have a game where
her dolls go to the dentist and she can use that to act out what she
thinks will happen?  I've heard of people using those techniques to get
children talking, and, since Alli's so bright and imaginative, it would
be worth trying.  If you can find out *why* she's frightened, that in
itself might help with reassuring her.  The games might also help to
give her more idea of what will happen and help her feel more in
control.  You could also try telling her stories about a little girl who
goes to the dentist and is very scared but is brave enough to go and
finds the dentist isn't that bad.

All the  best,

Sarah
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Cailleach - 25 May 2008 19:29 GMT
> She's definite
> that she DOES NOT want to go to the dentist-to the point of having
> nightmares about it

Is she sensitive to noise? My son never objected to visiting the
doctor but he used to hate the dentist because of the whining whirring
noises from dental equipment being used while he was sitting in the
waiting room. It doesn't seem to bother him so much now he's older.

All the best,

Cailleach

> DD's gone with me to the dentist to ride on the chair, look at her teeth,
> and so on without any trouble. It's a family practice, and the dentist is a
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> give in, because it's something she needs. So, I am very open to
> suggestions.
Ericka Kammerer - 25 May 2008 19:40 GMT
> At this point, if she's this anxious, I don't know that I'll be able to even
> get her in the building short of bodily force, and that's the last thing I
> want to do-but, at the same time, I don't want to cancel the appointment or
> give in, because it's something she needs. So, I am very open to
> suggestions.

    It's a tough call, and one that only a parent can
ultimately make based on all the particulars and some pretty
in-depth knowledge of the individual child.  That said, what
I would usually do in that sort of situation is insist on going
forward.  Although the cat's out of the bag, I'd make no more
mention in advance of the appointment.  You might need to push
the appointment out a little ways.  When the time comes, talk
her through it firmly, but with every expectation that she
will do just fine.  If need be, work out strategy with the
dentist in advance.
    I think with some kids there's a very fine line to
walk.  In some cases, it's a phase or some other transitory
issue and you can afford to take a step back and wait.  With
other kids, their imaginations run amok and generate a lot
of fear, and you totally play into the fear and, in fact,
increase it by letting them off the hook.  If it wasn't that
bad, why would you let the child back out?  It must be *really*
bad!  It also reinforces the tactic:  if you're afraid of something,
make a huge fuss and mommy will let you off the hook.  Follow
that pattern, and more and more things will be fear-inducing
and require backing out of.  This pattern can be incredibly
destructive long term.
    In my experience, one of the most powerful things
for building trust between parent and child is finding a
way to support your child through difficult experiences.
We don't ever wish for those difficult situations to come
up, but when they do, I think it's important how we deal
with them.  You want her to come out the other end with
an experience that teaches her that 1) she can do it;
2) her mother's confidence in her abilities was not
misplaced; 3) her mother was truthful about what she
experienced; 4) her mother was an effective support
during the process.
    I'm not saying that every fear must be faced
head on.  For example, if a child was afraid of riding
a roller coaster, I probably wouldn't push it.  What's the
point?  I'm not aware of any requirement that one must
ride roller coasters.  Some people enjoy that sort of
thrill and some don't, and that's a personal preference
that should be respected.  Going to the dentist, on the
other hand, is necessary.  One might negotiate things
like which dentist, whether mom stays in the room or not,
whether there's a signal to ask the dentist/hygienist to
stop for a moment, etc., but not the fundamental issue
of whether there will be a cleaning and check-up.

Best wishes,
Ericka
Welches - 26 May 2008 15:00 GMT
> DD's gone with me to the dentist to ride on the chair, look at her teeth,
> and so on without any trouble. It's a family practice, and the dentist is
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> appointment or give in, because it's something she needs. So, I am very
> open to suggestions.
The recommendation I was given was that, unless there appears to be a
problem, it is unneccessary for a child to see the dentist until they're
about 5yo. They suggest you take the child to the dentist from earlier to
"get them used to it" at our practice. #1 loves the dentist, and #2 doesn't
mind, but sits on my knee while the dentist "counts her teeth". But #1
didn't like the dentist until she was close on 5yo.
In your child's case, seeing as it's causing her so much worry, unless you
think there's work to be done, I'd cancel  the appointment. If there's
something you're worried about I'd ask the dentist (as you know her as a
mum) if you could see her informally, not in the dentists room.
Meanwhile, take her when you have your teeth checked (but not treatment) and
maybe she'll allow the dentist to see "what nice teeth she has" one day and
you can work from there.
Debbie
Ericka Kammerer - 26 May 2008 19:41 GMT
> The recommendation I was given was that, unless there appears to be a
> problem, it is unneccessary for a child to see the dentist until they're
> about 5yo.

    I would disagree with that pretty strongly.  All my
kids have needed to be in to the dentist by 3yo.  I don't subscribe
to the theory that you can let the baby teeth rot because they'll
be replaced by adult teeth.

> Meanwhile, take her when you have your teeth checked (but not treatment) and
> maybe she'll allow the dentist to see "what nice teeth she has" one day and
> you can work from there.

    I think she said she had already done that, and that
her DD didn't have a problem with that but did have a problem
with going for her own appointment.

Best wishes,
Ericka
Donna Metler - 26 May 2008 20:59 GMT
>> The recommendation I was given was that, unless there appears to be a
>> problem, it is unneccessary for a child to see the dentist until they're
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> her DD didn't have a problem with that but did have a problem
> with going for her own appointment.

We've been doing that for the last few appointments, and the only real
difference with this next one is that it'll be the first time it's
officially DD's appointment, and they'll try to clean/polish her teeth at
this one and look for problems. She's never shown concerns about going
before, and I hadn't expected problems this time.  Usually she goes, rides
on the chair, gets her stuffed dragon's teeth checked, smiles so they can
count her teeth, and that's it (and unless there's signs of problems, that's
all the practice usually does before age 3). The appointment is set with the
hygenist who DD talks to and gets along with best, the dentist is someone
who's familiar to her as a playmate's mommy (and there are pictures of her
playmate in the office), and while it's not a pediatric-specific office,
there is a child's waiting room and play area and a pediatric exam room,
since it is a family practice, so it's not likely to be oversized and
intimidating. And she knows EXACTLY where the prize box is, since invariably
she comes out of one of my appointments with a bag of small toys, stickers,
tattoos, and toothbrushes.

The only thing I can think of is that maybe she heard something from another
child at preschool or something which has made her nervous.  And if it was
just "I don't want to go", I wouldn't be so concerned, but nightmares, for
this particular child, are pretty rare.
Ericka Kammerer - 26 May 2008 22:15 GMT
> The only thing I can think of is that maybe she heard something from another
> child at preschool or something which has made her nervous.  And if it was
> just "I don't want to go", I wouldn't be so concerned, but nightmares, for
> this particular child, are pretty rare.

    She's a bright cookie.  I wouldn't be at all surprised
if she heard something somewhere, or even if it's just her
imagination run amok.  She might even be picking up on your
worrying about how she'll deal, even if you feel you're keeping
it under wraps pretty well.
    I think it is very common with very bright kids for
their imaginations to run away with them.  It's also very
common for them to be perfectionists and control freaks,
making it difficult for them to know that at the upcoming
appointment, they're not calling the shots anymore.  When
it was just fun and games at *your* appointment, they could
call it quits anytime without consequence.  With their own
appointment, they have to follow through.
    If this is what's going on, I think it's especially
important to follow through and have the appointment.  You've
done everything reasonable to set up a good situation.  Her
fears are not reasonable, though they are real to her.  The
best outcome is for her to confront this challenge and come
out the other end having successfully faced her fears with
your support.  This will make her more confident in herself
and more confident in your support the next time she confronts
a challenge, or a situation in which she has to give up some
control.  If she doesn't even attempt the appointment, that's
not a great precedent to set going forward.
    One of my kids is like this.  It was exhausting getting
him over all sorts of humps, especially when he was younger.
However, being firm but supportive has really paid off in
the long run.  He'll never give up being a control freak,
and he'll likely never love jumping into new experiences,
but he now has faith in my judgment and support and doesn't
kick and scream as much.

Best wishes,
Ericka
Nan - 27 May 2008 13:08 GMT
>The only thing I can think of is that maybe she heard something from another
>child at preschool or something which has made her nervous.  And if it was
>just "I don't want to go", I wouldn't be so concerned, but nightmares, for
>this particular child, are pretty rare.

IME, nightmares are usually about the unknown, for kids.  Even though
she's gone with you and seemed fine, she doesn't know exactly what
will happen once it's her turn in the chair.  And as Ericka pointed
out, that lack of being in control can be scary.

When my kids went for their first visit the hygienist just cleaned
their teeth using a toothbrush and dental floss.  She transitioned
them into polishing by their 3rd visit as long as there weren't any
problems with their teeth.  Perhaps your dd is bothered by the noise
of that BIG thing the hygienist may put in her mouth?  Maybe you can
ask that they simply do a brushing flossing and rinse the first time?

Nan
Anne Rogers - 27 May 2008 22:01 GMT
> We've been doing that for the last few appointments, and the only real
> difference with this next one is that it'll be the first time it's
> officially DD's appointment, and they'll try to clean/polish her teeth at
> this one and look for problems.

Clean and polish? look for problems, yes, you need to look for
problems, but do 3 year olds need cleaning and polishing? I'm 28, I've
had a clean and polish once (and no dental treatment other than a
brace) and even then it was just a quickie with the regular dentist,
not a trip to the hygenist, now, I do realise I'm lucky, apparently
it's something to do with the shape of the edge of the teeth and gums
which means plaque gets cleaned off easily with regular brushing, but
cleaning and polishing at age 3 without having found a problem? are we
doing something to children's teeth that makes them need this? I don't
buy into the whole they are milk teeth don't worry about them thing,
but have we swung to far the opposite way? A clean and polish every 6
months on adult teeth is going to add up to an awful lot of cleaning
and polishing over a lifetime - does enamel renew enough to deal with
that?

Cheers
Anne
Ericka Kammerer - 28 May 2008 04:24 GMT
> Clean and polish? look for problems, yes, you need to look for
> problems, but do 3 year olds need cleaning and polishing? I'm 28, I've
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> and polishing over a lifetime - does enamel renew enough to deal with
> that?

    Sure it does.  And believe me, my kids absolutely
need cleaning and polishing every six months, despite regular
brushing.  They don't all have the same teeth, either.  Different
sets of issues for different kids.  Two of my kids started at
two years old because they are particularly prone to tartar
buildup.
    Personally, I think it's wonderful if one doesn't
require that much professional attention to one's teeth.
My husband is actually fairly lucky in that department
and can go longer between cleanings without adverse effects
if need be, but I think that's more the exception than the
rule.  For myself, I'm in every six months like clockwork
because I am not keen to repeat the consequences of going
longer.  So are my kids.

Best wishes,
Ericka
toto - 28 May 2008 05:31 GMT
>DD's gone with me to the dentist to ride on the chair, look at her teeth,
>and so on without any trouble. It's a family practice, and the dentist is a
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>give in, because it's something she needs. So, I am very open to
>suggestions.

Fred Rogers book about visiting the dentist could help.  You could
also have her pretend to be a dentist and examine your teeth.

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Chris - 28 May 2008 21:48 GMT
> DD's gone with me to the dentist to ride on the chair, look at her teeth,
> and so on without any trouble. It's a family practice, and the dentist is a
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> give in, because it's something she needs. So, I am very open to
> suggestions.

My daughter had a great stranger anxiety and was very shy, so it was
important to us that we find a dentist that allowed parents in the
exam room with the children. She felt much better when I told her that
she could lie on my chest and I'd hold her tight and be right there
with her -- that we would do it together. My daughter, however, had
cavities early on from her teeth not calcifying correctly, so she was
having work done from the getgo. I know this is unorthodox, and I was
surprised by it myself, by heh, if it works, ya know?--our dentist has
their family dog in the office with them and she comes and lays next
to the kids' chairs, and since my daughter was and is a huge animal
lover - it was a great thing for her. Within a year of multiple visits
(we used the amalgam fillings that fell out every few months and
needed to be replaced), she could sit in the chair all alone and not
even have to have me in the room with her. She learned to trust the
providers.

I avoided the pediatric dentists because I've heard some horror
stories. They won't let parents be with their children, they have
papoose strap devices to strap the kids down, etc. and I don't go for
that. I realize there may be some parents out there who might harm a
provider if it appeared they hurt their kids or something, but those
of us with common sense, which are the majority, know how to console
our kids and how to get them to cooperate. Even if they required
strapping down, a parent should be present too. Most just feel better
hearing mom's voice whispering "You're okay. I gotchya. Almost done.
You're doing a great job. You're so brave." or "Hold my hand and
squeeze it if you need anything."

We decided to go for the caps on 2 of my daughter's 6-year molars that
didn't calcify correctly before any decay occurred, because once it
starts on those teeth, it can go bad very fast. Our regular dentist
couldn't do them on an 8-year-old and referred us to a pediatric
dentist, but when I asked him which one was the most patient and
easiest to work with at that group, it took him far too long to choose
one. I got out a book and started calling. Capping teeth is far
different than getting a filling or a cleaning. I found a pediatric
dentist that would allow parents back there. They had me drug my
daughter before the visit, and she was out of it for a whole day. I'm
still not liking how that affected her and will have to tell anyone in
the future that she must be extra sensitive to the dosing or
something. Anyway, she was alert to the work they were doing to her
and I sat at the bottom of her chair rubbing her foot to let her know
I was there. The assistant held her hands down whenever she tried to
move, so I explained that she was taught to hold up a finger in a just-
a-minute fashion if she needed to swallow. At one point, that dentist
yelled at her about trying to lift her hands, which is when I told him
that. He could have been more patient, and I'd hate to see how he'd
treat her had I not been there. He got up and walked out at one point
without any explanation when she said it still hurt. (it takes me 2
shots and about 30 minutes to numb up, so it wouldn't be uncommon for
her to be the same way).

Play dentist with her and show her what the dentist will do (i was
told they don't do x-rays this young unless there is a potential
problem) -- clip a papertowel over her chest, lay her back, point a
flashlight in her mouth, put on some goggles, buy her some cool or
funky sunglasses (for dentist trips only to keep that bright light out
of her eyes, explain how they will use a pointy tool to take off any
sticky stuff from her teeth and that it doesn't hurt, but you can feel
it going over your teeth, and take a pencil and show her how they will
let her pick a flavor of fluoride to put on something that looks a lot
like that, but theirs spins and tickles a little, and that when she is
done, her teeth will feel smooth she won't be able to keep her tongue
off of them. lol. With the internet available these days, I might also
find some pictures of what might happen if you don't let the dentist
take a peak and clean your teeth - because this is why we go sort of
thing. kwim?

If that dentist is a good provider, she'll be ready at trying to make
your daughter feel as safe and secure as possible before just going
for it. Our's did. They might take the spinning thing and let her hold
it, push a button to spin it, and let her touch it with her finger to
feel it before putting it into her mouth. They might even let her hold
the device that sucks out the water and saliva when they are working
and let her do it herself...stuff like that.
Zipadee - 29 May 2008 02:29 GMT
> I avoided the pediatric dentists because I've heard some horror
> stories. They won't let parents be with their children, they have
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> You're doing a great job. You're so brave." or "Hold my hand and
> squeeze it if you need anything."

That's horrible. I took both my kids to a pediatric dentist and they
were nothing like this. I was always allowed in the room no matter
what they were doing. And I never heard of them strapping anyone
down. They had cute names for the equipment (the suction thing
was called "Mr. Thirsty", for example.)

Consoling children who are fearful is not always just related
to how much common sense the parent has! Providers who are
used to dealing with lots of children have built up an array
of techniques that can work without resorting to physical
restraints. Too bad the pediatric dentist you went to wasn't
any good in this area.

-- Zip
toypup - 29 May 2008 02:55 GMT
> I avoided the pediatric dentists because I've heard some horror
> stories. They won't let parents be with their children, they have
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> You're doing a great job. You're so brave." or "Hold my hand and
> squeeze it if you need anything."

Our pediatric dentist has never done any of those things to my knowledge.
Families can go in the room all together.  I think you just had a bad
experience, but please don't tar and feather them all in one stroke.
Chris - 31 May 2008 05:43 GMT
> > I avoided the pediatric dentists because I've heard some horror
> > stories. They won't let parents be with their children, they have
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> Families can go in the room all together. �I think you just had a bad
> experience, but please don't tar and feather them all in one stroke.

Chill out fellow posters! lol. Don't get the wrong idea. We only have
2 pediatric dentists here in my town, and neither allowed children in
the back. All of the friends in other cities and relatives in other
cities with small children that had gone to pediatric dentists shared
their stories, and they have no reason to lie; this merely sent me on
a quest to get what my daughter wanted to make her the most
comfortable for the work she needed to have done. The only 1 I found
who would allow my daughter to have me back there was the one we
obviously went with. The other 2 also answered that they do have the
papoose restraints. Sometimes a child does have to be restrained so
they don't get hurt on medically necessary procedures - whether any of
us like that or not, but I was not about to chance it being used at
all when a child frequently, as we all do, need to itch our noses
while we're getting work done. lol. Anyway, my only beef is any of
them not allowing parents to accompany their children if that is what
the children want. My daughter just didn't want to be alone with
strangers, whether they are "trained" in the appropriate techniques or
not, and I'm not about to throw her out there unless she is willing to
go. My information is merely an "alert" of sorts to ask many questions
before deciding who you want to go with -- that's all.
Sue - 29 May 2008 12:46 GMT
> > DD's gone with me to the dentist to ride on the chair, look at her teeth,
> > and so on without any trouble. It's a family practice, and the dentist is a
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I have three girls and have been to quite a few pediatric dentists,
and I can assure you that none of those things have ever happened in
any of the practices I have been to. I have always been allowed to go
back with the girls. They have even let the girls lie on me while they
are being examined. It sounds like you had a bad experience, but not
all pediatric dentists are like that and please don't paint all of
them with the same brush. Many of the dentists have many techniques to
get the children comfortable seeing a dentist because they really
don't want to scare them at such an early age.

Sue (mom to three girls)
Chookie - 31 May 2008 01:35 GMT
> DD's gone with me to the dentist to ride on the chair, look at her teeth,
> and so on without any trouble. It's a family practice, and the dentist is a
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> this morning, while still asleep). She really seems scared, yet I can't
> figure out what would have triggered it.

Ring the dentist -- they will have some suggestions.  But sometimes it just
happens.  DS1 has always been perfectly fine with going to the dentist, but
DS2 is perfectly fine right up until he's put in the chair for the dentist to
"count his teeth"... then he shoves both hands over his mouth and starts to
cry!  Then he began to develop a problem -- there was a malformation of the
enamel on one tooth and I could see it starting to decay, but the little
monster still wouldn't cooperate with the dentist.  

I was referred to a nearby paediatric practice which my dentist assured me was
the best in Sydney.  Well, we went there, and it had the same positive
atmosphere as our regular practice, just groovier colours!  And DS2 was fine
right until he saw the dentist's chair!  Hands over mouth and howls again!

The specialist had a chat with him but he continued to howl.  So we forced the
issue:  DS2 sat on my lap, facing me, and he was then laid back onto the
specialist's knees while I held his hands.  The dentist was able to work but
DS2 could see me the whole time and he wasn't in the chair at all.  At the end
(and it was all of two minutes' work), DS2 was happy to shake the specialist's
hand and take a souvenir toy.  The specialist said he felt that it was OK to
force things in DS2's case because DS2 wasn't actually very scared:  this
practice specialises in children who have been traumatised by other dentists
(or, I suppose, other experiences), and who can be almost catatonic with
terror.  With them, they must go very slowly indeed.  

Obviously, this specialist made a professional judgement that went along with
my feeling about DS2.  I suspect, though I could be wrong, that DS2 might be
perfectly fine the next time we go to the dentist -- but the specialist has
advised that DS2 not be asked to do anything next time except maybe have a
ride in the chair if he likes.

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