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1 year old, cosleeping and "clingy" ?

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meatnub - 27 May 2008 20:25 GMT
DS cosleep with us and is now 1 year old. We are wondering if he is
starting to be "clingy" in a bad way. And here's what I mean..

He now has started something where if we are all together, and 1 of us
leaves the room, he starts crying, even though one of us is still
there with him. If we're all in bed at night, and I go out to do
something he starts to cry. OK maybe not every single time but more
times than not. Is this a phase? Is this a sign of a bad behavior and
are we doing something wrong?

We visited my parents over the weekend, and he doesn't like being
picked up by them. He does the same for her parents too. Now, he
doesn't get to see either set of parents but maybe once a month, if
that. My parents live 3 hours away. And of course we both work full
time, and DW's parents are just not available to care for him even
though they live 20 mins away. Is this still typical at his age and I
guess he thinks they are strangers? He smiles, is sometimes shy, but
he sure doesn't like being easily picked up by the grandparents.

Wife is starting to think about getting a bed for him and putting it
next to our bed to get him adjusted. I'm thinking "tough love" and put
him in his crib.

We beginning to question what we're doing as far as cosleeping is
concerned.

Any advice?

Thanks
Paul
meatnub - 27 May 2008 20:32 GMT
> DS cosleep with us and is now 1 year old. We are wondering if he is
> starting to be "clingy" in a bad way. And here's what I mean..
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> Thanks
> Paul

The good thing is that when he drop him off to daycare he's OK. They
are good there, and good to him, and he has to be held a little bit at
first when we drop him off but after that he's good, and plays and all
that.

I just wonder if we are being "bad parents" as far as the cosleeping
and stuff.

But isn't that what being parents and a family is all about - being
close? That's what I like about cosleeping, he has his security and
comfort. Plus we work all day so it's bonus time to spend with him
compared to putting him in a crib.
Ericka Kammerer - 27 May 2008 20:50 GMT
> DS cosleep with us and is now 1 year old. We are wondering if he is
> starting to be "clingy" in a bad way. And here's what I mean..
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> times than not. Is this a phase? Is this a sign of a bad behavior and
> are we doing something wrong?

    Not at all.  Separation anxiety is very, very common at
this age, and is perfectly normal developmentally.  You can help
by playing games like peek-a-boo, developing consistent rituals
for leave-taking, things like that.

> Wife is starting to think about getting a bed for him and putting it
> next to our bed to get him adjusted. I'm thinking "tough love" and put
> him in his crib.

    This has nothing to do with co-sleeping.  Kids who
don't co-sleep are also likely to go through phases with
separation anxiety.

Best wishes,
Ericka
Welches - 27 May 2008 21:00 GMT
> DS cosleep with us and is now 1 year old. We are wondering if he is
> starting to be "clingy" in a bad way. And here's what I mean..
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> We beginning to question what we're doing as far as cosleeping is
> concerned.

My experience is that between about 10 months and 18 months is often the
worst for clingy children. After that you can explain a little, and they
know that you're coming back.
If you think about it, if you only see someone once a month you wouldn't
regard them (generally) as a close friend.
Debbie
Anne Rogers - 27 May 2008 21:45 GMT
> If you think about it, if you only see someone once a month you wouldn't
> regard them (generally) as a close friend.

unless you already had a friendship with them, which is kind of what a
baby is building with grandparents, it won't be all that long before
they can have a close relationship despite rare visits, we've never
lived close to grandparents, we moved from being 4 hours away to 1/3
of the way around the world when DS was 18months, at that point with
phone conversations and photos, there was just enough there with my
parents for it to not change anything when we got back, we saw DH's
parents less often and communicate less frequently, so it was more of
a new relationship when we got back. We had a year or so in the same
country before we headed off around the world the other way, DS has
great relationships with both sets of grandparents and you can see DD
developing it too (she's 2 years younger), pictures are definitely a
help. If you really want to work on cultivating a relationship with
grandparents, even a simple thing like putting their pictures in an
obvious place, especially a picture of them holding the child and then
talking about it regularly, confirms the importance of that person in
the child's mind.

My mum is utterly convinced that there is something about family that
means babies and young children accept them, the way they wouldn't
accept a friend, I think that probably says more about the way my
family views and treats other members of the family than anything
else, because we have noticed that this does happen in my family, my
kids have always responded well to my sister despite rarely seeing
her, I don't know what it is about the way my family behave because
this isn't true in my husbands family. But we've also noticed the same
with a small number of friends, and it's nothing to do with how often
they see them, I think it must be some kind of very subtle vibe that
children pick up on about being completely comfortable with a person
and mutual acceptance of that person - which means watching your own
relationship with that person when you want your child to have a good
relationship with them is probably helpful, Paul, I notice you said
something about your wife's parents not being available to care for
him, you probably just said that as a fact, but if there is anything
more then even a one year old might pick up on that, so you and your
wife might help your son develop a relationship with his grandparents
by thinking about your own feelings far more than worrying about
anything else.

Cheers
Anne
Anne Rogers - 27 May 2008 21:23 GMT
He's been ill, he's been taken on a long trip, his parents work full
time, he's one year old - need any more reasons as to why he's
behaving like he is? Kids go through phases - even when everything is
plain sailing there are some clear times when children go through what
is often known as "separation anxiety", when a previously happy to be
left, happy to go to grandparents etc. child resists it, the frequency
of occurances spreads out, but it still comes round every so often,
we're just at the end of one of these phases with our almost 3 year
old and we had one just before age 4 with our now almost 5 year old.
Co sleeping may well affect when and how they are expressed, but
during them isn't the time to change that, let him ride the phase out,
unlikely to be more than a month, then make any changes you want to
make, but trying to switch now would likely be misery all round and
sounds brutal based on what the little guy has been through recently.

Cheers
Anne
meatnub - 29 May 2008 16:18 GMT
> He's been ill, he's been taken on a long trip, his parents work full
> time, he's one year old - need any more reasons as to why he's
> behaving like he is? Kids go through phases - even when everything is

and to top it all off he's just had his 1 year old shots! lol (of
course he's back to normal)

Thanks for the info on the separation anxiety everyone. I'm sure
that's all it is.

Well we discussed the cosleeping/crib/bed transitioning some more that
night, and by the time we got home and all 3 of us were in bed, we
decided to put the idea of transitioning him off for some other time,
who knows when.

He puts himself to sleep now, we no longer rock him (he actually
started pushing himself out of our arms when we would attempt to rock
him about .. oh.. 2 months ago)

I told my DW that if he was in a crib I'm sure we would be having the
opposite discussions/arguements of "i told you we should have
cosleeped!" ;-)
MarieD - 29 May 2008 17:01 GMT
<I told my DW that if he was in a crib I'm sure we would be having the
opposite discussions/arguements of "i told you we should have
cosleeped!" ;-)>

Most likely, you and your wife will always wonder about most everything you
do as parents. Second guessing is just part of the job. My older children
are almost-13 and 11 and I still struggle with decisions I make with their
lives. It makes things that I worried about when they were babies seem so
stupid, but worries are worries and they are all legitimate to the worrier.
Marie
Ericka Kammerer - 29 May 2008 18:46 GMT
> Well we discussed the cosleeping/crib/bed transitioning some more that
> night, and by the time we got home and all 3 of us were in bed, we
> decided to put the idea of transitioning him off for some other time,
> who knows when.

    I think there are legitimate issues about when to
transition from co-sleeping, although I don't think they
have to do with your current issue which clearly seems to
be separation anxiety.  Transition can be a challenging
process, and timing does make a difference--not so much on
your child's health or well-being, but more on your sanity
or how long the transition takes.  I don't think it's a bad
idea to discuss your expectations about how long you're willing
to co-sleep, how you want to transition, what factors will
affect your decision making, and so on.  It never hurts to
have a plan, in my opinion, as long as one realizes that
individual kids don't always go along with even the best
laid plans ;-)

Best wishes,
Ericka
hschinske@mouse-potato.com - 30 May 2008 00:17 GMT
> Well we discussed the cosleeping/crib/bed transitioning some more that
> night, and by the time we got home and all 3 of us were in bed, we
> decided to put the idea of transitioning him off for some other time,
> who knows when.

I often tell people that right around one year is often a bad time to
wean for that very reason -- that it tends to be a clingy stage with a
lot of kids. If you want to wean at around a year, fifteen months or
so is often a lot easier than twelve months. Of course the dates vary
from kid to kid, but in general.

--Helen
Irrational Number - 28 May 2008 07:13 GMT
> DS cosleep with us and is now 1 year old. We are wondering if he is
> starting to be "clingy" in a bad way. And here's what I mean..

Phases of separation and stranger anxiety are
a GOOD thing.  A baby who never learns to fear
the unknown or to fear leaving the parents is
one who got taken by the hyena on the savanna.

-- Anita --
Chris - 29 May 2008 01:33 GMT
> DS cosleep with us and is now 1 year old. We are wondering if he is
> starting to be "clingy" in a bad way. And here's what I mean..
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> Thanks
> Paul

To me it sounds like he is just used to the 3 of you being there when
it is time to go to bed and when one leaves, it isn't quite "right" --
somethings off - he adores both of you the same and wants it the way
he likes it. There isn't anything wrong with cosleeping, but some can
get used to that to where they can't fall asleep on their own or don't
want their own bed - some people I know are still dealing with 6-year-
olds not wanting their own room or even their own bed -- others have
no issues in a transition whatsoever. I don't believe it would be
healthy at all to just go cold turkey by suddenly depriving him of
your company at night - it is all he knows. It would be terribly
confusing and scary for him. You also might not have any luck at all
with his own bed in your room either - he would probably require
something that appeared to be an extension of your bed that can be
separated out slowly at his age I'm thinking.

As for your parents, my DD was the "nonsocial" one -- not wanting to
just hug or even speak with my parents. When I would take the kids
over there, everyone would laugh because I would set my daughter in my
lap facing out in front of me so I could visit until she got brave
enough to wander the room on her own, and she would hug my head down
behind her into her neck with her arms raised up. It killed my mom,
but one day while they were on vacation with us and she was just past
3, she just jumped into her lap and that was that. My mom was happy.
We never pushed her to hug them at all either - that isn't right. We
only saw my parents every 1 to 2 months as well. At 1 and even 2,
those people may be family, but they are strangers to some kids. lol.
My 2 boys, however, would've gladly hugged a stranger -- trust me,
THAT behavior is much more worrisome! lol.
 
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