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My name is Jessica Seymour and I put this website together so that I could share my dieting experiences - my "big name" diet plan ups & downs, including the good & the bad - with anyone that might be interested in benefiting from my learnings. for more information log on to :http://www.diet-411.com/ "Jessica M. Seymour" <diet18@gmail.com> wrote in news:cebbb538-8a47-4f33-b00f-b5c3efb3de11@b9g2000prh.googlegro ups.com: > My name is Jessica Seymour and I put this website together > so that I could share my dieting experiences - my "big > name" diet plan ups & downs, including the good & the bad - > with anyone that might be interested in benefiting from my > learnings. "diets" don't work. portion control & exercise work. lee  SignatureLast night while sitting in my chair I pinged a host that wasn't there It wasn't there again today The host resolved to NSA. > "Jessica M. Seymour" <diet18@gmail.com> wrote in > news:cebbb538-8a47-4f33-b00f-b5c3efb3de11@b9g2000prh.googlegro [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > "diets" don't work. portion control & exercise work. > lee Not just portion control, but what food you choose to eat. But the word "diet" did not originate to mean weird thing you do to lose weight as with the sentence "Her diet is comprised mostly of fruits and vegetables." >> "Jessica M. Seymour" <diet18@gmail.com> wrote in >> news:cebbb538-8a47-4f33-b00f-b5c3efb3de11@b9g2000prh.google [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> "diets" don't work. portion control & exercise work. > Not just portion control, but what food you choose to eat. > But the word "diet" did not originate to mean weird thing > you do to lose weight as with the sentence "Her diet is > comprised mostly of fruits and vegetables." right. avoid anything preprocessed or highly sweetened (especially if it's not sugar) or highly salted. the idea of "dieting", as being eating or not eating certain foods has been around for long enough that it's changed the original meaning of the word. lee SignatureLast night while sitting in my chair I pinged a host that wasn't there It wasn't there again today The host resolved to NSA. >>> "Jessica M. Seymour" <diet18@gmail.com> wrote in >>> news:cebbb538-8a47-4f33-b00f-b5c3efb3de11@b9g2000prh.google [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >original meaning of the word. >lee But portion control is still the primary thing. Banty > In article <Xns9AAE5E1B2CB72enigmaempire...@199.125.85.9>, enigma says... > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Banty Is there something like "eating too many fruits" though? We eat lot of fruits at home. I hear conflicting info about this. >> In article <Xns9AAE5E1B2CB72enigmaempire...@199.125.85.9>, enigma says... >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Is there something like "eating too many fruits" though? We eat lot of >fruits at home. I hear conflicting info about this. Too many fruits can make for too many visits to the bathroom. Other than than that, I don't think there is an issue. Maybe what you've heard is a reaction to how some parents have been giving much fruit juice, adding many calories with minimal benefit, when water does just as well. I *have* known overweight people going about eating much fruit as a "healthy alternative". Sure fruit is healthy, but part of a healthy diet is how much intake there is. (A former regular here asked here to make a point "Did you know you can get fat on healthy foods??". Well - of course!) Banty > In article <d75dfb66-f364-491c-befb-74637f570...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > janes...@gmail.com says... [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > how some parents have been giving much fruit juice, adding many calories with > minimal benefit, when water does just as well. Fruit juice is not an issue for me because I don't buy it. What I'm told is that eating "too many" fruits is eating too many carbs and that in effect is bad. But how many fruits is too many? Can one get fat by eating fruits? Theoretically, yes. But really? > I *have* known overweight people going about eating much fruit as a "healthy > alternative". Sure fruit is healthy, but part of a healthy diet is how much > intake there is. (A former regular here asked here to make a point "Did you > know you can get fat on healthy foods??". Well - of course!) > > Banty What is the problem with macrobiotic type diets (fruits, unprocessed food etc) other than the fact that for many people it's not practical and feasible long term? Fruits and vegetables are wholesome to a great extent. Protein can be handled by nuts, beans and legumes. I'm a vegetarian and I was always taught since childhood that nothing wrong can ever come from eating fruits. Now with carb theories, all of a sudden eating lots of fruits is bad. >>In article <d75dfb66-f364-491c-befb-74637f570...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, >> janes...@gmail.com says... [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >can ever come from eating fruits. Now with carb theories, all of a >sudden eating lots of fruits is bad. I don't know of any problem except excess fiber, and that too large a calorie input per calorie output leads long term to fat however the calories are taken in. Fructose is a simple sugar metabolized like any other simple sugar, but it comes with a lot of roughage and whether it's good or bad depends on the person, when they eat, etc. I have a dietician; I haven't asked her about fruits per se because it's not a huge part of my diet (fruits *are* a part of my diet of course, just nothing to make me ask any specific questions about eating quantities of fruit). She has brought nothing in particular to my attention regarding fruits. Banty >>>> "Jessica M. Seymour" <diet18@gmail.com> wrote in >>>> news:cebbb538-8a47-4f33-b00f-b5c3efb3de11@b9g2000prh.google [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Banty It depends what you are eating. You just plain cannot eat enough kale, spinach, green beans... to be problematic. >>>>> "Jessica M. Seymour" <diet18@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>> news:cebbb538-8a47-4f33-b00f-b5c3efb3de11@b9g2000prh.google [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >It depends what you are eating. You just plain cannot eat enough kale, >spinach, green beans... to be problematic. Sure - but you know what? Most people are dressing up their veggies, taking in more calories with them. The other thing is - sure, you can eat all the carrots you want, but there's only so much carrots, or kale, etc. etc. that people are actually going to eat sustainably. Really, how many people are going to, day after day, eat mounds and mounds of plain kale to stave off what they percieve as hunger? So people go and look for some other panacea recipe where they can lose weight without really dealing with the underlying problems of overeating/underexercising. They like to 'get permission' to keep on their basic eating problems and think they can get around the calorie concerns by eating mega amounts of carrot juice/kale/grapefruit/protein. Then fall off that habit as they tire of it. Or find it deosn't work if they don't address portions and activity (e.g. what happened to the Atkins diet as many followed accounts of how it supposedly meant eating however many breakfast sausages one wanted). Maybe there can be a sidebar about how any amount of *undressed* veges of certain veges is OK. But the MAIN thing still comes down to - portion control. Getting used to not eating past satiety, getting used to what satiation even *feels like* after having eaten to overfull for years, getting used to not eating whenever food is around, getting used to how not every little perception of hunger demands satiation, getting used to how certain activities do not have to be accompanied by food - like movies and Cub Scout committee meetings. Banty >>>>>> "Jessica M. Seymour" <diet18@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>> news:cebbb538-8a47-4f33-b00f-b5c3efb3de11@b9g2000prh.google [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > The other thing is - sure, you can eat all the carrots you want, Not carrots. > but there's > only so much carrots, or kale, etc. etc. that people are actually going to > eat > sustainably. Really, how many people are going to, day after day, eat > mounds > and mounds of plain kale to stave off what they percieve as hunger? For me, it is finding the right foods to eat. (I don't care all that much how many people do what or what other people do.) But I do strongly beleive (since I am doing it) that one can eat large quantities of food, completely avoid hunger, and loose weight. For example lunch today was 3 oz boneless chicken, 2/3 cup chopped tomato, 1 cup asparagus, 1/4 cup cannelini beans cooked in 1 teaspoon olive oil. That is a pretty gargantuan plate of food, let me tell you. (I did season it with morrocon spice. There are a million freebee flavor combos that are yummy.) So as far as I am concerned "portion control" does not describe the one and only, or even the best way to manage your diet. > So people go and look for some other panacea recipe where they can lose > weight [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > one > wanted). Oh sure. I don't care that much about the psychology of dieting. I was merely disagreeing with the simplicity of "portion control." No one is going to change habits for life if they are controlling their portions of not very good food, and as a result being hungry and loopy headed all the time. That is what happens if you control the portions of foods that are not particularly beneficial, at least that is what happened to me. I lost a boat load. Felt like crap too! > Maybe there can be a sidebar about how any amount of *undressed* veges of > certain veges is OK. But the MAIN thing still comes down to - portion > control. I disgree. Calorie control. Sure. Portion control. No. > Getting used to not eating past satiety, getting used to what satiation > even [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Banty >> Maybe there can be a sidebar about how any amount of *undressed* veges of >> certain veges is OK. But the MAIN thing still comes down to - portion >> control. > > I disgree. Calorie control. Sure. Portion control. No. Calorie control and managing/balancing the digestive hormones. Sorry. >>>>>>> "Jessica M. Seymour" <diet18@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>>> news:cebbb538-8a47-4f33-b00f-b5c3efb3de11@b9g2000prh.google [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >control" does not describe the one and only, or even the best way to manage >your diet. Well, OK, one can make a big mound of stuff and spice it with no fat containing material. But what you just described is quite different from what most people eat, and recall that most people live in families that need to figure out some way to get everyone else to eat it too. What do you do when you go out? Ask for asparagus and cannelini beans and demand "a la Morroco"? Well, OK, there are a lot of meat salads if one lays completely with the dressing. But I betcha you're not doing asparagus and grazing on potato chips in the afternoon and making sure you bring bearclaws to the morning meeting. A lot of this has to do with sustainable changes in daily habit. Banty >>>>>>>> "Jessica M. Seymour" <diet18@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>>>>> news:cebbb538-8a47-4f33-b00f-b5c3efb3de11@b9g2000prh.google [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >>control" does not describe the one and only, or even the best way to manage >>your diet. On second thought, looking at all the amounts, clearly you *are* using portion control (else you coudln't have posted that!), just managing to make a big looking pile with lots of roughage. Banty >>> "Jessica M. Seymour" <diet18@gmail.com> wrote in >>> news:cebbb538-8a47-4f33-b00f-b5c3efb3de11@b9g2000prh.google [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > right. avoid anything preprocessed or highly sweetened > (especially if it's not sugar) or highly salted. Avoid high glycemic index foods; bread, pasta, rice, potatoes. Get your carbs from fruits and veggies. > the idea of "dieting", as being eating or not eating certain > foods has been around for long enough that it's changed the > original meaning of the word. But dammit, I want the old word back! > lee |
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