Business partner energy around here again
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Emma Anne - 28 Jul 2009 00:11 GMT Hi all. I haven't been around much, but I thought I would check in and let you know how my marriage is doing. My DH and I have always had a tendency to get too businesslike and remote, and we seem to be there again. We don't fight or get hostile, we just act more like room mates or business partners than a romantic couple. And this time the stuff that has worked before doesn't seem to be working - DH is not responding to my attempts to talk about it or spend more quality time together. And I have a bad tendency to react to being shut out by thinking "fine then, I can be twice as remote!" Does anyone else relate to this dynamic or have ideas for handling it?
Doug Anderson - 28 Jul 2009 00:18 GMT > Hi all. I haven't been around much, but I thought I would check in and > let you know how my marriage is doing. My DH and I have always had a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > And I have a bad tendency to react to being shut out by thinking "fine > then, I can be twice as remote!" (I'll leap to the conclusion here that you deciding to be twice as remote doesn't end up helping much!)
> Does anyone else relate to this > dynamic or have ideas for handling it? Yes, I relate to it.
As far as handling it - I've found threatening to hold my breath until I turn blue helpful.
No, not really. For us the direct approach is the only thing that works. That is, I have to say directly that I want more attention and that I'm feeling taken for granted. And then I have to go on and be specific about how, and make some proposals for what to do about it.
And then I have to be prepared to do it a second time if it didn't work, and to know that if it does work, it won't work forever.
Not sure how helpful that is!
Bill in Co - 28 Jul 2009 00:24 GMT > Hi all. I haven't been around much, but I thought I would check in and > let you know how my marriage is doing. My DH and I have always had a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > then, I can be twice as remote!" Does anyone else relate to this > dynamic or have ideas for handling it? Really sorry to hear this, Emma. Perhaps going to marriage counseling together might be helpful? Would he agree to do that?
Vickie - 28 Jul 2009 01:03 GMT > Hi all. I haven't been around much, but I thought I would check in and > let you know how my marriage is doing. My DH and I have always had a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > then, I can be twice as remote!" Does anyone else relate to this > dynamic or have ideas for handling it? I never beat around the bush when I feel like my DH and I have been distant for awhile. He knows pretty well when I say..."Who are you?". On the occasion that it makes no difference to him and he is kind of evasive toward my funny quip, I get my own house in order.
For whatever reason enjoying and focusing on my own stuff will bring him around after awhile. I don't act remote and when I want to share with him I do. But I don't so much think about "where he is at".
Not sure if you already tried this before. Hope it helps.
Vickie
Doug Anderson - 28 Jul 2009 01:10 GMT > > Hi all. I haven't been around much, but I thought I would check in and > > let you know how my marriage is doing. My DH and I have always had a [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Not sure if you already tried this before. Hope it helps. I think this is good, and I am interested in knowing what happens if E. A. tries it.
This is one of those sensible things that works with some people (e.g. your husband) but not with other people (e.g. my wife).
dejablues - 28 Jul 2009 02:21 GMT > Hi all. I haven't been around much, but I thought I would check in and > let you know how my marriage is doing. My DH and I have always had a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > then, I can be twice as remote!" Does anyone else relate to this > dynamic or have ideas for handling it? It happens. I just wait around for the energies to shift. We've been together for a long time and yes, things do tend to wax and wane, and I don't think there's anything bad or wrong about being in the "business partner" mode every so often. Stress over family, money, household issues, and work can make this mode go on too long, though, and I find I can't get back in that romantic until all those other things are dealt with, and around here they don't get dealt with until we do them together - each of us telling the other to take care of this and that does not work!
Dr Nancy's Sweetie - 28 Jul 2009 02:40 GMT > My DH and I have always had a tendency to get too businesslike and > remote, and we seem to be there again. We don't fight or get hostile, > we just act more like room mates or business partners than a romantic > couple. Aren't you a lawyer or something? Maybe you should take the "business partners" thing to a ridiculous extreme.
Write up a date contract, full legalese ("Emma Anne, hereinafter referred to as the 'asking party'"), multiple pages. Say something like "I've been thinking maybe we should go out to dinner. I've decided to formally ask you to accompany me to an evening meal; the particulars are laid out here." Hand him the contract. In it, specify start and end times, activities to be included ("at least 3 dances, filling at least 15 minutes of dancing, with two breaks of no more than 10 minutes each should either partner tire"), non-severability, minimum expected requirements of the date ("asking party agrees to arrange reservations at a restaurant with cloth napkins and metal flatware, such restaurant having earned at least 3 diamonds in the most recently available AAA guidebook") and whatever else may occur to you ("asked party agrees to wear a tie and jacket; asking party agrees to wear any dress already owned by asking party chosen by asked party"). Don't be afraid to be absurdly specific or detailed; the absurdity is part of the fun.
Also think of everything that for you would constitute a really *romantic* and successful date ("the asked party agrees to provide one (1) fresh wrist corsage, where 'fresh' indicates that the corsage was purchased new at a florist no more than 6 hours prior to the official start time of the evening's engagement"), and that for *him* would constitute a really successful date (use *your* shameful imagination here 8-).
It's got more parts fun than nag in it, which is good because you can never nag somebody into liking you.
And if it doesn't work, ask him what he'd think of you signing up for a pole-dancing exercise class. 8-)
Darren Provine ! kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy "If you give a _reductio_ argument, someone will embrace the _absurdum_." -- David Joslin
Kat - 28 Jul 2009 07:00 GMT >> My DH and I have always had a tendency to get too businesslike and >> remote, and we seem to be there again. We don't fight or get hostile, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > And if it doesn't work, ask him what he'd think of you signing up for > a pole-dancing exercise class. 8-) Heh... I think this idea is actually kind of a cute way to handle things. I keep going back and thinking of that silly book I've been reading lately. It's called "How to get your husband to talk to you" and it's by a pair of ladies - one is Connie and the other is Nancy, I think. There's one part in the book that says to speak your husband's language. Use words that he knows and understands. Put things in a way that he will understand them. I'm not meaning treat him like an idiot, just choose words carefully and paint a picture that he actually gets. If he's the kind of guy that is business-oriented and can relate to schedules, meetings, etc., then work with that. That book also says to kind of have a little bit of fun if you're bringing up something that is on your mind, as being completely serious and straight-faced often can seem like nagging and mothering. For a small example, if it drives you crazy that he takes his socks off and shoves them IN the couch, rather than going on about how you HATE pulling HIS dirty, smelly, gross socks out from between the couch cushions and from now on you're NOT going to do it and he's going to soon find he has no clean socks, it's better said something like, "You know, honey, I think we might need to get a new couch. The one we have keeps eating dirty laundry! I keep finding your socks shoved in it! If it wouldn't be too much to ask, try to keep your socks away from the couch. That piece of furniture will just keep eating them!" or something that is kind of funny that won't get him all defensive right off the bat. "Stop putting your damn socks in the damn couch when you take them off! There's a laundry basket RIGHT OVER THERE!" is going to get him all on the defense right away. With anything, watch words and I do find lately by putting things at him in ways he can relate and understand is much better than an attack. I do like this idea of bringing business out and playing with it a little! Depending on the guy, however ;)
Another thing that might be fun is to steal his cell phone for a few minutes when he's in the shower or something. Put in some kind of entry - in the alarm clock area of the phone or in the calendar as a reminder date/time. Put a little entry in there that says something like, "Hope you're having a good day! It's 1030am and I'm thinking of you ;)" or something and set it to go off as a reminder at that time. Start doing small and little things to get things going. N left his phone at the top of the basement stairs last week (along with his wallet and sunglasses) when he went to work. I found the phone on the floor and found the battery was as dead as can be so I put it on the charger for a little. I then put in an event for something like 1145 that morning and put in something like the above of thinking of you, I love you - or whatever. I had the phone set to go off when I knew he'd have the phone. I set a second one 5 minutes later as well ;) I actually made it to drop off his phone, wallet and sunglasses with no more than 10 minutes to spare before the event rang on his phone. I was going right near his job site anyways so it wasn't out of my way, and with the phone and stuff, I dropped off some iced cappuccinos for him and the rest of the guys on the job site. I then left and a few mins later he sends me a text message right after he got the reminder I put on his phone.
So to stop rambling at nearly midnight here, have you tried taking the first steps? Try and do a little extra to grab his attention? Even if it's wearing a pair of earrings he bought you or a pair of pants he's mentioned that he likes on you... Little things he can notice (or you can point out to him if he doesn't notice without making him feel like a total jerk) I've found doing the little things - a small note in his lunch box, even, are things he notices and seems to appreciate and with that, I do often get a little more attention or time with him!
If that makes any sense... If not, I blame it on the clock here that has just struck midnight...
phelbooth - 28 Jul 2009 07:07 GMT > >> My DH and I have always had a tendency to get too businesslike and > >> remote, and we seem to be there again. We don't fight or get hostile, [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > If that makes any sense... If not, I blame it on the clock here that has > just struck midnight... Criminy. Here I am reading the Grimm brothers and only got a cell phone a year ago. Outta my league!
But yeah, notes in lunch boxes, unexpected snail mails at work, etc, might help! I am a scrapper, and used to make cards and stick them where he might not find them for a day or three. He seemed, then, to appreciate them--
phelbooth - 28 Jul 2009 07:04 GMT > > My DH and I have always had a tendency to get too businesslike and > > remote, and we seem to be there again. We don't fight or get hostile, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > afraid to be absurdly specific or detailed; the absurdity is part of > the fun. I think that's good. I tried the same, and I believe the concept can work!
> Also think of everything that for you would constitute a really > *romantic* and successful date ("the asked party agrees to provide one [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > And if it doesn't work, ask him what he'd think of you signing up for > a pole-dancing exercise class. 8-) LMFAO
> Darren Provine ! kil...@elvis.rowan.edu !http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy > "If you give a _reductio_ argument, someone will embrace the _absurdum_." > -- David Joslin
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