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Family Forum / Marriage / Marriage / November 2009This newgroup needs to be resurrected...
This group needs to be resurrected, lest it get taken over by spam, like what happened in asd. Scene of hypothetical mother & kid conversation six months ago.......... (this is a fictional story, and does not represent any actual events) Mother: "You know, Billy, I was watching you play with the other kids at the playground today, and you and Dougie really have to think about not being so obnoxious, or none of the other kids will want to play with you." Billy: "Nahhhh, we're OK Mommy. Many of the other kids like to play with us, no matter how we act. And even those that might not play with us don't complain about us. Besides, most of those who don't play with us are at fault anyway. They're the ones who act like jerks. They just don't want to admit it. It's not like when you were young, Mommy." Mother: "Well, from what I saw, it was you who acted worse than just about everybody, and it was you who did all of the things that I've heard you complain about the other kids, and so it's your choice, but I'm just telling you that kids will eventually stop playing with you, and just go find some other way to entertain themselves." Billy: "Nope. It's just that those other kids can't take responsibility for themselves, Mommy, and so it's for us to straighten them out. It's for us to make sure that they act exactly like we want them to act, and so that's why it's OK for us to be jerks. It's because we're on a mission." Fast forward to today....... Billy: "Mommy, hardly anyone ever shows up at the playground anymore to play with Dougie and me, and it's only those jerks who won't listen to us that do. And we still keep telling them that they're jerks, and we still keep calling them jerks all the time, but they still won't listen to us, and no one will come even to talk to us, no matter how loudly we yell for them to do so." Mommy: "I told you this would happen, Billy. People just have better things to do than to put up with your nonsense. I've heard many of them tell you that the reason they don't want to go to the playground anymore, or talk to you much when they do, is because of how it's always about fighting, or other useless silliness. Do you really think that's the way to get them to play with you? "Doesn't the fact that almost no one goes there anymore tell you anything about your behavior?" Billy: "Dougie was right about you, Mommy. You're a jerk too." The End. (Again, this is just an OT parable, and any similarities between this story, and real events, is unintentional, and coincidental. It just popped into my head.)  SignatureNOTICE: I treat everything which anyone posts in Usenet as nothing more than a work of fiction with no basis in fact or reality whatsoever. Every comment in every one of my posts is nothing more than a useless opinion or a wild speculation, and must never be taken seriously or as having any positive value to anyone for any reasons. I never assume that there’s any more to a story than what I have read, no matter what else the author or anyone else may have posted anywhere. Be advised that my remarks are that of an ignorant layperson, and no one should ever base their decisions upon them under any circumstances. > Scene of hypothetical mother & kid conversation six months > ago.......... [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > this story, and real events, is unintentional, and coincidental. It > just popped into my head.) Are you Billy or Dougie? >> Scene of hypothetical mother & kid conversation six months >> ago.......... [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Are you Billy or Dougie? You go first. >> Scene of hypothetical mother & kid conversation six months >> ago.......... [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Are you Billy or Dougie? ROFL! > Scene of hypothetical mother & kid conversation six months > ago.......... [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > this story, and real events, is unintentional, and coincidental. It > just popped into my head.) LOL. The fact that it popped into your head is truly remarkable. >> Scene of hypothetical mother & kid conversation six months >> ago.......... [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > LOL. The fact that it popped into your head is truly > remarkable. I'm sure that, from your perspective, it seems exactly like that. SignatureNOTICE: I treat everything which anyone posts in Usenet as nothing more than a work of fiction with no basis in fact or reality whatsoever. Every comment in every one of my posts is nothing more than a useless opinion or a wild speculation, and must never be taken seriously or as having any positive value to anyone for any reasons. I never assume that there’s any more to a story than what I have read, no matter what else the author or anyone else may have posted anywhere. Be advised that my remarks are that of an ignorant layperson, and no one should ever base their decisions upon them under any circumstances. >This group needs to be resurrected, lest it get taken over by spam, like >what happened in asd. Y'know, Bill... I sorta have the impression that total traffic over at asd is declining. I just checked the place (after a couple of days had passed) and found only 10 posts. They were all spam, of course. But what *might* happen is that the spammers will eventually leave, too, because they're only spamming each other and no one is reading their trash. <grin> When dead finally falls over there, mebbe the *real* people can come back. For a while. rj >> This group needs to be resurrected, lest it get taken over by spam, like >> what happened in asd. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > rj IF dead finally falls over there. Of course, I never thought I'd live to see the Berlin Wall come down, either, so I guess miracles can still happen. >>> This group needs to be resurrected, lest it get taken over by spam, like >>> what happened in asd. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >IF dead finally falls over there. Ummm.... Not that it makes any difference, but I had meant to write "When dead silence finally falls..." >Of course, I never thought I'd live to see the Berlin Wall come down, >either, so I guess miracles can still happen. LOL... Didn't you now Bill? Miracles happen daily! It's just that they're rarely recognized as such. rj >>>> This group needs to be resurrected, lest it get taken over by spam, >>>> like [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > rj LOL. But maybe you and I have different definitions of what is a real - and truly substantial - miracle (and not the small stuff). One example of such would be global peace. But fortunately, we have limited lifetimes, and maybe that is a blessing in disguise. > LOL. But maybe you and I have different definitions of what is a real - > and truly substantial - miracle (and not the small stuff). One example of > such would be global peace. But fortunately, we have limited lifetimes, > and maybe that is a blessing in disguise. At the time of the 9/11 suicide plane crashes most planes in the sky in the US had few emptry seats. The four planes that were hijacked all had closer to half their seats vacant. At the time the first plane hit the first tower well below the normal people were in the building yet. Miracles come in the form of cancelled business trips and sleeping in later than usual before going to work, but miracles are when actions like that add up. >> LOL. But maybe you and I have different definitions of what is a >> real - [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > later than usual before going to work, but miracles are when actions > like that add up. But those are still pretty small miracles... But I guess we should be content with such, these days. :-) You know what they say about ... Great Expectations.... I suppose I could give Dickens another chance, but I really don't need to get further depressed about the state of the union. >> At the time of the 9/11 suicide plane crashes most planes in the sky in >> the US had few emptry seats. The four planes that were hijacked all had [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > But those are still pretty small miracles... Big miracle - A violation of the laws of the universe, thus destroying the foundations of rational based civilization. Small miracle - A violation of the laws of statistics, thus confirming the value of a spiritual approach to life. > But I guess we should be content with such, these days. :-) Phrase it as a joke if you like. Thinking over the difference I'll take the small miracles over the big every time. Before 9/11 I was already not an atheist or agnostic. Had I still been either of those I would have looked at the statistics for that day and I would have understood those mystics who say that the voice of god is that tiny voice inside yourself that is easy to ignore, but that is there anyways. Last week my wife was away visting the older daughter and younger grand daughter. Were I there with her life doesn't get any better than that. But such are gender roles in our society that Grandma gets to visit and Grandpa gets to pick up Grandma to bring her home. This week my wife is back home and we are together again for THanksgiving. Life doesn't get any better than that. A group to support marriage? I'm for marriage. Sometimes support is about help during the bad times. Sometimes support is giving thanks for the good times. Giving thanks for the good times is quieter, but in the US this the the week of Thanksgiving so this is the week for it. >> LOL. But maybe you and I have different definitions of what is a >> real - and truly substantial - miracle (and not the small stuff). [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and sleeping in later than usual before going to work, but miracles > are when actions like that add up. Thank you Doug. Happy Thanksgiving everyone. > >> LOL. But maybe you and I have different definitions of what is a > >> real - and truly substantial - miracle (and not the small stuff). [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Thank you Doug. > Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Happy Thanksgiving. Yes, so much to be thankful for. Miracles may be just happenstance or coincidence, but sometimes I do wonder... Unknowingly to me, my colleagues's mom, who lives in India, died. Unknowingly to me, she took an early shuttle to the airport that day. Knowingly to me, I took the next shuttle (I had a planned travel), where somehow I managed to sit in the same seat she had, and as I was waiting for the shuttle, tapping my stylus on my cell phone (after all, I wouldn't be text messaging for over a week), my stylus fell out of my hand: into the four-person cusioned seat where, for unknown reasons, I had sat where she had sat. As I reached into the cushions to retrieve the stylus, I extracted her her passport. I recognized her, of course, and took the passport to the travel center, where I learned she was taking an emergency flight to India, for her mom's funeral. The shuttle ppl called everyone on the list to be at the pick-up 15 minutes early (there are four pick-ups along the way), got the shuttle going, and I was able to give the passport to my colleague at the airport, just before the 1.5 hour cut-off for international flights. Miracle? My colleague's Indian father spent the summer with her, and he wanted to meet me. When we talked about the events, he said, "I believe my wife's hand guided you." And I believe it, too. Fill > At the time of the 9/11 suicide plane crashes most planes in the sky > in the US had few emptry seats. The four planes that were hijacked > all had closer to half their seats vacant. At the time the first plane > hit the first tower well below the normal people were in the building > yet. IIRC, it was reported that the hijackers probably chose flights early in the morning so as to have fewer passengers to keep cowed during the hijacking. As a result, the first plane hit before 9am, instead of something like 10:00 or 10:30 which would have been a better choice for having lots of people in the building. Darren Provine ! kilroy@elvis.rowan.edu ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy "Some of the credit for this 'D' belongs to God." -- Bart Simpson, commenting on a passing grade he got with divine help >> At the time of the 9/11 suicide plane crashes most planes in the sky >> in the US had few emptry seats. The four planes that were hijacked [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > -- Bart Simpson, commenting on a passing grade he got with divine > help Man,...I'm gonna miss this place. > >> At the time of the 9/11 suicide plane crashes most planes in the sky > >> in the US had few emptry seats. The four planes that were hijacked [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Nah It doesn't have to happen--that is what Bill is saying I am keenly awae of my first and later posting here...esp now Happiness Fill > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:15:57 -0700, "Bill in Co" > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > rj I like the A Course in Miracles pov where they say that a miracle is a change in perception. I seem to resist experiencing miracles... must be my ego. Forgiveness is key. - Michaela > On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:27:16 -0700, "Bill in Co" > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > rj sounds like a stephen king novel. yeah. > This group needs to be resurrected, lest it get taken over by spam, like > what happened in asd. If the fans don't come out to the ball park, you can't stop them. |
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