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Turin - 28 Dec 2005 02:56 GMT
I sometimes get email from guys asking me for help in writing complaint
letters.  Here's one that I just fired off to a certain party.

I've made some obvious changes to hide the confidential information
that it contained; but, other than that, it's a good example of a solid
complaint letter that states a beef and requests some followup.

Note that it doesn't contain any of the usual bullshit reactionaryism
that the ass-kissing "anti-feminists" use for everything.  It's not
just a whiny "change my diaper" complaint, and it doesn't promulgate
some pet theory (which belongs on an editorial page) that is so big in
scope that only God will be able to fix things the next time he
recompiles the Universe.

Nor does it mince words with apologetics, or dedicate it's title page
to all of the great names in diplomacy.  This is activism.  It's not
quite a demand letter (though it could be - it almost was); but,
neither is it a begging letter.  It takes it's stand on rights, not
requesting favors.

It states specific problems with specific recommendations.  (As
specific as possible, in this case  ...I haven't yet worked out a
strategy for demanding a crucifixion).

In my work, I've found that when a letter like this goes through, there
will be various attempts to pump you for facts and details which should
be considered privileged information.  This is a Pangborn-like attempt
to flimflam you into bypassing courts with a pretense that you
volunteered the information (through informal channels) and waived your
rights.  It's good to keep a dossier with information that you've built
up.  Just don't hand it to them to check over.

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XX. XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX:

I've been XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX for XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX for approximately
XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX.  You are listed as XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX.

Besides the level of incompetence that I've been both seeing and
getting from XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX, I have two other complaints.  The
question of quality I'll simply put down to the fact that XXXXX XXXXX
XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX :

1) I've been getting a high level of disrespect from one of XXXXX XXXXX
staff.

2) At my first XXXXX, I experienced a form of sexual harassment that
was uttered so flagrantly, that I couldn't believe I heard it.

The person who keeps giving me the disrespect is some female, by the
name of "XXXXX".  She seems to always be the one to answer the phone
line (after making you wait an inordinate amount of time).

It might not be simple disrespect, under the surface.  Most people
would probably call it a serious attitude problem, but it also seems to
border on some kind of suppressed hostility to point of being a
psychiatric problem.  I think that most people have probably run into
this kind of personality, at least once or twice.  It's the very
opposite of "perk" - but, that's not really the intent.

Essentially, she effects as low of a voice as she can, while putting
into it as much sarcasm and contempt as she can also manage.  The low
voice is almost like a hangover.  The sarcasm is a defense mechanism.
It makes simple communication difficult, and is basically unpleasant.

The people that I've known in the past who were doing this were
attempting to project a vile hatred at others.  If that's not what
she's doing, then she definitely has to develop some social skills.
The point is that neither I nor anyone else has to go through someone's
inner monster of broken dreams and disillusionment just to get simple
information over the phone.

The sexual harassment incident was during XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX.  A
certain female who, apparently, XXXXX XXXXX after I came in, said
basically this: "Hey, come on over here with me, handsome." - while
leading me toward XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX.  Another comment used the phrase
"good looking".  This was done twice.

I don't normally tolerate this kind of latter incident at all - for
reasons no one should need explained.  The only reason that I haven't
made the complaint for this incident, up until now, is because XXXXX
XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX.

I think that some disciplinary action is in order for both cases.
While the latter case is definitely the more serious issue, the woman
didn't strike me with the malignancy that Ms. XXXXX did.  I think that
she just did something that was very stupid - and/or perhaps awkward -
for whatever reason.  Probably because of the obvious female culture
that exists at this XXXXX XXXXX.  Especially, due to the
disproportionate number of women employed.  But this XXXXX woman is
definitely hostile for some reason.

I get the overwhelming impression that this is another open-to-all
institution which is being coopted by women's interests.  I can see it
simply in the XXXXX posters that hang on the walls.  I suggest that we
may be looking at the root cause for XXXXX's disposition in this area.

If I don't hear from you at all, then I'll probably pursue this along
other channels in order to make certain that it doesn't just disappear.
Too many Men who have careers and jobs of their own to protect suffer
at the hands - not only of false accusers, but - of systematic
discrimination which punishes them with reprisal action for making
complaints of their own against pro-female sexism.

There is such a thing as Equal Rights for Men, too.  The unfortunate
truth is that female interests often compete with everyone's civil
rights to the point of monopolizing them.

(SIGNATURE)

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Obviously, this letter won't fit any situation, but it gives you
something to build on and get your thought processes going.

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Making a new world for Men:

Turin

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Doug Laidlaw - 28 Dec 2005 06:28 GMT
Who would you write it to?  The trouble with you guys is exactly what you
say you are NOT doing:

it doesn't promulgate
> some pet theory (which belongs on an editorial page) that is so big in
> scope that only God will be able to fix things the next time he
> recompiles the Universe.

Just accept that it is the order of nature that men are second-class
citizens.  It makes everything so much easier.

Doug.

> I sometimes get email from guys asking me for help in writing complaint
> letters.  Here's one that I just fired off to a certain party.
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Stormy - 28 Dec 2005 14:17 GMT
> I sometimes get email from guys asking me for help in writing complaint
> letters.  Here's one that I just fired off to a certain party.

In a SH case I would term it a bit more than a 'complaint' letter
Turin. Women are smart enough to get their cases treated with all of
the seriousness due such a charge but some men have a tendency to play
around and pretend that the perp didn't mean to be a perp.  Moral
copping out.

> I've made some obvious changes to hide the confidential information
> that it contained; but, other than that, it's a good example of a solid
> complaint letter that states a beef and requests some followup.

That it is. Nice job!  I didn't mean to imply that you're one of the
brownnoses who cave.

> Note that it doesn't contain any of the usual bullshit reactionaryism
> that the ass-kissing "anti-feminists" use for everything.  It's not
> just a whiny "change my diaper" complaint, and it doesn't promulgate
> some pet theory (which belongs on an editorial page) that is so big in
> scope that only God will be able to fix things the next time he
> recompiles the Universe.

LOL  it would be better for all men if the rejects stopped speaking
where they have no conviction.  I think that opposing men's rights is
just their way to purchase acceptance from society to drag out their
miserable little existences a bit longer. Most of the internet boys
that I've seen are really just misfits an' homely guys whose biggest
problem is rejection. They make their rejection into a political issue
but then don't seem to believe what they're saying.  I just don't get
that. Women too but women at least are fighting for what's practical
for themselves whether it's a career or playing homemaker and living
off of the hubby. The men just want their deserts without eating their
dinners first. Too bad that's not the way life is.

> Nor does it mince words with apologetics, or dedicate it's title page
> to all of the great names in diplomacy.  This is activism.  It's not
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> specific as possible, in this case  ...I haven't yet worked out a
> strategy for demanding a crucifixion).

LOL! I'll be sure to watch my step Turin

> In my work, I've found that when a letter like this goes through, there
> will be various attempts to pump you for facts and details which should
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> rights.  It's good to keep a dossier with information that you've built
> up.  Just don't hand it to them to check over.

Kenny kakes couldn't flimflam the national organization of people two
days old. At least not anymore.

> ----------------------------------------
>
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> voice is almost like a hangover.  The sarcasm is a defense mechanism.
> It makes simple communication difficult, and is basically unpleasant.

Sheesh!

> The people that I've known in the past who were doing this were
> attempting to project a vile hatred at others.  If that's not what
> she's doing, then she definitely has to develop some social skills.
> The point is that neither I nor anyone else has to go through someone's
> inner monster of broken dreams and disillusionment just to get simple
> information over the phone.

She obviously can't stand her job or else thinks that she can make
everyone take her on her own terms.

> The sexual harassment incident was during XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX.  A
> certain female who, apparently, XXXXX XXXXX after I came in, said
> basically this: "Hey, come on over here with me, handsome." - while
> leading me toward XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX.  Another comment used the phrase
> "good looking".  This was done twice.

LOL if most of the guys here had your problems Turin then they wouldn't
be here at all. I admire your principles.

> I don't normally tolerate this kind of latter incident at all - for
> reasons no one should need explained.  The only reason that I haven't
> made the complaint for this incident, up until now, is because XXXXX
> XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX.
>
> I think that some disciplinary action is in order for both cases.

I have to admit that's something I rarely read in posted letters.
Usually they just bring the matter to the attention of whoever reads it
an' then throws it away probably.

> While the latter case is definitely the more serious issue, the woman
> didn't strike me with the malignancy that Ms. XXXXX did.  I think that
> she just did something that was very stupid - and/or perhaps awkward -
> for whatever reason.

I hate to say it Turin but you may have weakened your position. I
congratulate you on trying to be fair but you can bet that they don't
want to admit any kind of fault.  Any reluctance on your part and
they'll assume that it's safe to do nothing because the pressure is
getting to you. They want you to get discouraged and quit.

>  Probably because of the obvious female culture
> that exists at this XXXXX XXXXX.  Especially, due to the
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> If I don't hear from you at all, then I'll probably pursue this along
> other channels in order to make certain that it doesn't just disappear.

I think this is good.

>  Too many Men who have careers and jobs of their own to protect suffer
> at the hands - not only of false accusers, but - of systematic
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Obviously, this letter won't fit any situation, but it gives you
> something to build on and get your thought processes going.

Nice job! Many guys can probably learn from the experiences of men like
you.

Stormy

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>
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KRP - 28 Dec 2005 14:59 GMT
>> I sometimes get email from guys asking me for help in writing complaint
>> letters.  Here's one that I just fired off to a certain party.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> That it is. Nice job!  I didn't mean to imply that you're one of the
> brownnoses who cave.

With your nose so far up Turdbrain's a.s it's had to understand what you are
trying to say.
KRP - 28 Dec 2005 14:58 GMT
TURDBRAIN TURAM
>I sometimes get email from guys asking me for help in writing complaint
> letters.  Here's one that I just fired off to a certain party.
[quoted text clipped - 111 lines]
> Obviously, this letter won't fit any situation, but it gives you
> something to build on and get your thought processes going.

And you think this rambling INSANE bullshit will HELP somebody or get them
hauled off in a padded ambulance?
johnebravo836 - 28 Dec 2005 15:33 GMT
> TURDBRAIN TURAM

[big snip]

>>Obviously, this letter won't fit any situation, but it gives you
>>something to build on and get your thought processes going.
>
> And you think this rambling INSANE bullshit will HELP somebody or get them
> hauled off in a padded ambulance?

Of course, with some people, hauling them off in a padded ambulance *is*
helping them. ;)
Dustbin - 28 Dec 2005 19:04 GMT
> I sometimes get email from guys asking me for help in writing complaint
> letters.  Here's one that I just fired off to a certain party.
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> scope that only God will be able to fix things the next time he
> recompiles the Universe.
Hopefully this time with f.cking error messaging
switched on ;-)

D.

> Nor does it mince words with apologetics, or dedicate it's title page
> to all of the great names in diplomacy.  This is activism.  It's not
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>
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