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Overnight Mashed Potato Casserole-Only for Lauri :-)

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La Mer - 22 Nov 2006 23:02 GMT
3 pounds russet potatoes, peeled (I used red rose and it was more like
5 pounds I think)
1 1/2 cups of sour cream
5 T butter, divided
1 1/2 tsp salt
1/4 tsp pepper
1/4 cup dry bread crumbs

1. If potatoes are large, cut into quarters.  Cook until tender in
boiling, salted water.  Drain and place cooked potatoes in large bowl
of an electric mixer.  Add sour cream, 4 T. butter, salt and pepper.

2. Beat potato mixture until light and fluffy on lowe speed of electric
beater.   Pile lightly i a buttered, 2-quart casserole.

3. Cover and refrigerate overnight.

4. Bring out casserole 1 hour before cooking.  Bake covered in a
preheated 325 degree oven for about an hour or until heated through.

5. Toss bread crumbs with remaining 1T butter, which has been melted,
and sprinkle buttered crumbs over potatoes.  Continue baking uncovered,
about 30 minutes longer.

(Adapted from Harriet Roth's Cholesterol Control Cookbook)

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La Mer Comments:

This recipe is very forgiving for I do not like following directions
:-)

I used red rose potatoes...some years I keep the skin on, some years I
don't.

I've always used Tofutti sour cream, but this year I used real sour
cream but *light*

I don't use butter, I use non-hydrogenated margarine; yeah, I know, I'm
NO FUN!

This year I did not use the bread crumbs.  For extra flavor, I stuck a
ton of peeled garlic cloves with a bit of balsamic vinegar and lots of
olive oil and baked for an hour.  When soft, I put them in the food
processor and added that to the mashed potato mixture.

I've always used a lasagne pan, not a casserole dish and I've never
used an electric mixer; I have one of those electric hand mixer things
that's about 30 years old.

I imagine if I used the ingredients like real butter, etc., this recipe
would be killer.  But my family (including Mr. Junk Food Husband)
LOOOOVES these potatoes.

Let's see....that's it I think.  Any questions, I'll only answer them
from Lauri.  LOLOL!!!

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.  I just might roast DD instead of my
tofurky this year :-)
Ellie - 22 Nov 2006 23:50 GMT
Lauri wants to know where is the garlic?! And I thought the overnight
part was how long the garlic was going to roast. :-)

> 3 pounds russet potatoes, peeled (I used red rose and it was more like
> 5 pounds I think)
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> Happy Thanksgiving everyone.  I just might roast DD instead of my
> tofurky this year :-)
La Mer - 23 Nov 2006 00:07 GMT
> Lauri wants to know where is the garlic?! And I thought the overnight
> part was how long the garlic was going to roast. :-)
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> > Happy Thanksgiving everyone.  I just might roast DD instead of my
> > tofurky this year :-)

Tell Lauri to re-read the La Mer comments starting with FOR EXTRA
FLAVOR.....

I stuck a
> > ton of peeled garlic cloves with a bit of balsamic vinegar and lots of
> > olive oil and baked for an hour.  When soft, I put them in the food
> > processor and added that to the mashed potato mixture.
Ellie - 23 Nov 2006 00:29 GMT
>>Lauri wants to know where is the garlic?! And I thought the overnight
>>part was how long the garlic was going to roast. :-)

> Tell Lauri to re-read the La Mer comments starting with FOR EXTRA
> FLAVOR.....

Lauri says that's cheating. When an ingredient is in the name of a dish
it can't be "extra flavor"!!

> I stuck a
>
>>>ton of peeled garlic cloves with a bit of balsamic vinegar and lots of
>>>olive oil and baked for an hour.  When soft, I put them in the food
>>>processor and added that to the mashed potato mixture.
La Mer - 23 Nov 2006 00:42 GMT
Okay then, that'll teach me to  the ORIGINAL recipe!  Next time I won't
tell you what I added.  I mean next time I won't tell Lauri :-)

> >>Lauri wants to know where is the garlic?! And I thought the overnight
> >>part was how long the garlic was going to roast. :-)
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> >>>olive oil and baked for an hour.  When soft, I put them in the food
> >>>processor and added that to the mashed potato mixture.
Lauri - 23 Nov 2006 06:53 GMT
>Okay then, that'll teach me to  the ORIGINAL recipe!  Next time I won't
>tell you what I added.  I mean next time I won't tell Lauri :-)

Ask Ellie why the heck she is answering a Usenet post that was
addressed to ME?!!!

I missed the part about the garlic......I see it now!  Thanks!

Lauri in WA
Lauri - 23 Nov 2006 00:01 GMT
>3 pounds russet potatoes, peeled (I used red rose and it was more like
>5 pounds I think)
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>1/4 tsp pepper
>1/4 cup dry bread crumbs

Where's the garlic?????

Lauri in WA
-Calliope- - 23 Nov 2006 00:36 GMT
> From: "La Mer" <judgedl@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.support.marriage
> Subject: Overnight Mashed Potato Casserole-Only for Lauri :-)

HA.. you can't STOP MEEEEEEEEEEEEE.. ;-)

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deja.blues - 23 Nov 2006 03:15 GMT
<recipe>

How many people does this serve?
La Mer - 23 Nov 2006 05:07 GMT
> <recipe>
>
> How many people does this serve?

Good question...I guess it all depends on how large the people are and
if they like this particular recipe.

Okay, the recipe says 8-10 servings.  So what the hell does that
mean?????

It's safe to assume that I"m not big on "recipes",  but I felt rather
obligated to post this one given that there were so many requests :-)
Honestly, I really don't follow recipes but I love them for guidelines.
-Calliope- - 23 Nov 2006 16:49 GMT
> Good question...I guess it all depends on how large the people are

Can we assume you meant how large their appetites are, and not their actual
size??  The biggest eater in my family happens to also be the smallest..
(that BITCH!  lol)
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Temily - 24 Nov 2006 03:27 GMT
> Can we assume you meant how large their appetites are, and not their actual
> size??  The biggest eater in my family happens to also be the smallest..
> (that BITCH!  lol)

How DOES she do that?? Or is it a he....hmm...one can never assume can
they!? :o)

I tell ya..if i ate all that cream and stuff...i'd be the side of a
house! Something happened post 40.....food fought to stick to me like
glue!

Temily
-Calliope- - 24 Nov 2006 04:04 GMT
>> Can we assume you meant how large their appetites are, and not their
>> actual size??  The biggest eater in my family happens to also be the
>> smallest.. (that BITCH!  lol)
>
> How DOES she do that?? Or is it a he....hmm...one can never assume can
> they!? :o)

Oh I sure wish I knew.. she has a faster metabolism, is my best guess.  
She starts off her day with donuts & pastery.. always has a bag of chips
handy.. made at least two cakes a week for her family.. never without food
nearby.. never worries about making 'healthy choices'.. and she is
probably a size six..  Now.. I do often wonder about what her blood work
looks like but that's another story altogether.

My mom is also a big eater and is *so* thin, she would probably qualify
for 'frail' at her age.. Unfortunately, the rest of the females in our
family all have struggles with our weight.
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Temily - 24 Nov 2006 07:32 GMT
> Oh I sure wish I knew.. she has a faster metabolism, is my best guess.
> She starts off her day with donuts & pastery.. always has a bag of chips
> handy.. made at least two cakes a week for her family.. never without food
> nearby.. never worries about making 'healthy choices'.. and she is
> probably a size six..

Size 6 whoa....

That's like well...we just don't have size 6! Our sizing starts at size
8! And a size 8 would be about 50kgs..(110 pounds) so yep...she's got a
very fast metabolism (or god forbid, she's bullimic!)  if she can eat
all that stuff and be that size! Or yeah..mabye she's just skinny!

You do hear very skinny people saying they are just 'that way'
sometimes..but they've usually got very picky eating habits too! They'd
have to.......................

Temily
-Calliope- - 24 Nov 2006 16:24 GMT
> Size 6 whoa....
>
> That's like well...we just don't have size 6! Our sizing starts at size
> 8! And a size 8 would be about 50kgs..(110 pounds) so yep...she's got a
> very fast metabolism (or god forbid, she's bullimic!)  if she can eat
> all that stuff and be that size! Or yeah..mabye she's just skinny!

Well, yes.. she's 'just skinny'... but that's because she has a fast
metabolism!

> You do hear very skinny people saying they are just 'that way'
> sometimes..but they've usually got very picky eating habits too! They'd
> have to.......................

No.. they don't 'have to'.. lol..  she is not picky in the least, she'll
eat anything and everything..
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Temily - 27 Nov 2006 03:15 GMT
> No.. they don't 'have to'.. lol..  she is not picky in the least, she'll
> eat anything and everything..

You don't 'have to be picky' to be skinny!  But to maintain a low
weight..the person is expending as much engergy as they're taking in.
So, a lot of 'skinny' (underweight) people do seem to be picky and not
eat as well as people who are lean, eat healthily and are toned.

So for her to be taking in a lot of kilojoules she has to be expending
the same about.

Which happens to everyone.

It's energy in, energy out.

But i do think there's a difference between 'skinny' and 'lean'.
'Skinny' infers lack of muscle and underweight to me.

However, I guess there's only a problem when body weight is not
maintaining..and the body is losing, or gaining, weight!

Weight maintenance can also be altered if there's a lifestyle
change..as i have have had..I've ceased doing any competitive sports
since i turned forty, in the last 2 years, due to a myriad of problems
in one of my ankles and consequently ops on it in the past year!

Because my energy out is much less than than the normal energy in..i
have to alter my diet and listen to my body more..because what i ate
before was suitable for an extremely active person expending a lot more
energy.

I haven't put on actual kg's..but i have lost muscle, so to me, it
'feels' like i've put on weight because i'm not as toned!

Temily
-Calliope- - 27 Nov 2006 03:31 GMT
>> No.. they don't 'have to'.. lol..  she is not picky in the least, she'll
>> eat anything and everything..
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>
> It's energy in, energy out.

Sis takes in many, many more calories a day.. by probably 1000 to 1500
more a day.. and only until recently has she been able to keep some weight
on.. whereas I have struggle with getting weight off...

Saying it's simply engery in, engery out is a simplistic view that doesn't
take into account that some people's 'furnaces' run at a higher more
efficent level than others.

ML is a prime example.. she eats well, but has trouble getting to and
maintaining a healthy weight, as she's mentioned.. she is on the opposite
end of the spectrum than someone with trouble maintaining a lower,
healthier weight.. her furnace is overly efficent vs. the sluggish
furnace.  

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Temily - 27 Nov 2006 06:29 GMT
> Saying it's simply engery in, engery out is a simplistic view that doesn't
> take into account that some people's 'furnaces' run at a higher more
> efficent level than others.

That's true. It's simplistic, as a car is too (fuel in, fuel out) but
yes there are a lot of variables as there are for a car (ie if it is
tuned and maintained it will have a more efficient running mechanism).

Just as an example. When i had my first op in February...i had a
plaster cast on for 3 months. I couldn't do any lower body strength
exercises due to waiting for bones to fuse and although i was eating
the same as always, i lost weight in that 3 months. About 5kg's.  Which
I couldn't afford to lose. (My normal weight is 55kg and i went down to
50kg) And this loss was muscle, not fat as I have more muscle than fat.

This was because my body was working on the fitness it 'remembered'.
Now for instance. If i ate the same amount of kilojoules as i was back
then, even though i'm doing more exercise as of the last week, i would
still not be burning the same amount of kilojoules (energy-heat)as my
body has yet to 'remember' that my muscles are as toned as they were
back then so it is still conserving energy.

And it's interesting because almost a year later, with a low output of
energy, now when i eat something, it just seems to convert to fat, and
not muscle! Consequently that 5kg's has been regained (when the plaster
came off in May). But when i went back and had another op (the one i'm
recovering from now)  and had to be bandaged again and have limited
movement for 6 weeks because my body realises my output is not at
optimum, when i eat now, I don't lose weight because i'm not as fit.

And now it seems when i do eat as i used to, (when i was fit) i gain
weight!!  I'm at a maintenance level now so my energy imput is equally
my energy output..but, once i regain all my muscle and tone..i could
lose weight if i don't increase my energy input. (eat more).

The less toned a person is, or the less muscle, and the more fat, the
more energy it takes to burn kilojoules.

If that all makes sense.

So yes, i do agree there are far more variables to take into
consideration, but t's a basic rule of thumb to remember energy in,
energy out!!

> ML is a prime example.. she eats well, but has trouble getting to and
> maintaining a healthy weight, as she's mentioned.. she is on the opposite
> end of the spectrum than someone with trouble maintaining a lower,
> healthier weight.. her furnace is overly efficent vs. the sluggish
> furnace.

>From what ML has said, she often does not feel like eating and doesn't
choose to eat large amounts..and is taking medication that could
possibly suppress the appetite and alter the chemical balance - and
metabolic rate - within the body..and depending the the type of food
being ingested...the metabolic breakdown rate is different ie in sweets
and carbs vs proteins and vegetables - it takes more energy to
metabolisle the later.

Sweet foods are not always an effective way to keep the body running
smoothly either. The body will run more effectively if the source of
the energy is at a high level. Sweets will give a quick outburst of
energy but it won't sustain prolonged bout of exercise for example.

I am also under the impression that ML is not well enough medically, to
do a lot of exercise either..so she would less developed muscle in her
body. I could be wrong..as this is only the impression i get, she could
well be doing a serious of very heavy workouts! :o)

But what happens is...the more muscle a person gains, the more
efficient the energy output is. For example, when we go to the gym, my
DH does low reps of high weights and his energy output is extremely
high as he is building muscle. vs what i'm doing which is high reps,
low weights which is actually exerting less energy and therefore
burning less kilojoules but it is toning, not building.

But yes, everyone is different..and even tho it appears some people can
eat anything..it's not actually the case..their bodies have to be
maintained too!

Temily
-Calliope- - 27 Nov 2006 11:52 GMT
> I am also under the impression that ML is not well enough medically,

Well, I'm really not going to go much further in discussing her, but from
what I gathered from her previous postings, she has been this way her
entire life, not just at this point in time.  Since she's been open about
this as being an issue, I used her as an example.. also because of this,
she seems to understand that there might be reasons other than gluttony
and sloth for a person not being a size six, as well as the fact that not
all thin people have to 'work' at being thin.. and that different bodies
can burn fuel at rate that can make an enormous difference in where one
lands on the dial of a scale.
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Temily - 27 Nov 2006 06:54 GMT
> Sis takes in many, many more calories a day.. by probably 1000 to 1500
> more a day.. and only until recently has she been able to keep some weight
> on.. whereas I have struggle with getting weight off...

And eating that many calories more...so like, up to 2500 cals? Per day?

And she's a size 6? That'd be 40-45kgs?

(size 8 = 45-50kgs size 10 = 55-60kgs)

Far out. Yeah ok, well she's got a fast metabolism or something...I've
been going to the gym and training for years and studying fitness and
weights and health etc and talk about it with everyone up there...and
haven't really heard of that..(usually average intake is 6300 - 7500 kj
or 1500 - 1800 cals per day or) so seems a lot to double the kj and
still be a 40-45kg weight..but yeah ok, guess it happens...

Temily
-Calliope- - 27 Nov 2006 11:43 GMT
> And eating that many calories more...so like, up to 2500 cals? Per day?

At least... and not 'healthy calories' either.  Lots of pastry, bread,
cake.. cookies, chips..

> And she's a size 6? That'd be 40-45kgs?

No..  she's 5 feet 7 1/2 inches tall and weighs around 115 to 120lbs..

> (size 8 = 45-50kgs size 10 = 55-60kgs)

Your sizes seem different than ours, I guess.. weight isn't the only
indicator in what size one wears.. 120lbs at 5 feet tall would be a
different size than 120lbs at 5'8" tall, for example.

> Far out. Yeah ok, well she's got a fast metabolism or something...

That is my point.. she has always been this way.. whereas the rest of us
sisters (there are five of us).. all have much slower metabolisms
comparatively.  She can out eat us by a mile and never get even chubby.  
Very annoying, I might add, LOL.

> I've
> been going to the gym and training for years and studying fitness and
> weights and health etc and talk about it with everyone up there...and
> haven't really heard of that..(usually average intake is 6300 - 7500 kj
> or 1500 - 1800 cals per day or) so seems a lot to double the kj and
> still be a 40-45kg weight..but yeah ok, guess it happens...

Everyone's body is different... you can follow a 'general rule' on how
things work in theory, but people's bodies don't follow any 'general
rules'.. they all burn fuel at different rates, some are better at burning
off that fuel than others is all.
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Temily - 28 Nov 2006 04:37 GMT
> Your sizes seem different than ours, I guess.. weight isn't the only
> indicator in what size one wears.. 120lbs at 5 feet tall would be a
> different size than 120lbs at 5'8" tall, for example.

Reminds me of the girls in Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants when all
their different body types fit into the same size jeans!

Temily
La Mer - 28 Nov 2006 04:43 GMT
> > Your sizes seem different than ours, I guess.. weight isn't the only
> > indicator in what size one wears.. 120lbs at 5 feet tall would be a
> > different size than 120lbs at 5'8" tall, for example.

I can tell you that sizes in the US are insane.  Some of my pants are a
size 6, most are an 8 and I even wear a size 11.  Depends on the brand.
Even within the same brand, the cut of the pants makes a difference.

> Reminds me of the girls in Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants when all
> their different body types fit into the same size jeans!
>
> Temily

Oy Temily, that was a fictional movie ;-)
Temily - 28 Nov 2006 04:54 GMT
> Oy Temily, that was a fictional movie ;-)

Aww..now you've spoiled my fun! :-P

Temily
Temily - 27 Nov 2006 07:08 GMT
> Sis takes in many, many more calories a day.. by probably 1000 to 1500
> more a day.. and only until recently has she been able to keep some weight
> on.. whereas I have struggle with getting weight off...

And eating that many calories more...so like, up to 2500-3000 cals? Per
day?

And she's a size 6? That'd be 40-45kgs?

(size 8 = 45-50kgs size 10 = 55-60kgs)

Far out. Yeah ok, well she's got a fast metabolism or something...I've
been going to the gym and training for years and studying fitness and
weights and health etc and talk about it with everyone up there...and
haven't really heard of that..(usually average intake is 6300 - 7500 kj
or 1500 - 1800 cals per day or) so seems a lot to double the kj and
still be a 40-45kg weight..but yeah ok, guess it happens...

Temily
shinypenny - 27 Nov 2006 13:34 GMT
> Sis takes in many, many more calories a day.. by probably 1000 to 1500
> more a day.. and only until recently has she been able to keep some weight
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> healthier weight.. her furnace is overly efficent vs. the sluggish
> furnace.

Do they have a higher proportion of muscle mass than you do? Because
the same amount of muscle takes up less volume than the same amount of
fat. So a person with more muscle mass will require more calories to
maintain it, but appear to be thinner.

Do they fidget more than you do? Because fidgeting counts toward the
"energy out" side of the equation.

jen
mL_ - 27 Nov 2006 18:47 GMT
>Do they fidget more than you do? Because fidgeting counts toward the
>"energy out" side of the equation.

That's an interesting point.  I'm a fidgeting person.  I can't sit still, even
my fingers and toes are moving when i watch tv, and i roll around a lot in my
sleep.   I'm rocking right now in a non-rocking chair! :-)
Also anxiety tends to burn fuel.  I can gain a couple of pounds but it only
takes one anxiety episode to drop it all off again.  And unfortunately i have
those episodes in spite of the meds.  I try to channel them into something
useful though, like writing letters to newspapers about issues that get me
worked up.  Wrote a good one last night, hopefully it will be published.

I'm not a beanpole, i have a tendency towards full hips even tho everything
else is thin.  I'm trying to build some muscle tone to support the painful
joints but it's been an uphill battle so far.   Lifting even a pound is
painful at times so it's hard to weight train to strengthen muscles necessary
to support the joints.  Sort of a circle thing.  I exercise in water or with
those giant stretchy band things i got from phys.therapy.  Those are great, as
gentle as water resistence, but if they get old they snap!  :-)
shinypenny - 27 Nov 2006 19:28 GMT
> >Do they fidget more than you do? Because fidgeting counts toward the
> >"energy out" side of the equation.
>
> That's an interesting point.  I'm a fidgeting person.  I can't sit still, even
> my fingers and toes are moving when i watch tv, and i roll around a lot in my
> sleep.   I'm rocking right now in a non-rocking chair! :-)

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/28/health/28weight.html?ei=5090&en=ca591c50f53847
ba&ex=1264654800&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&adxnnlx=1164654599-zba0l7w3b6UMltV
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"The [fidgeting] difference translates into about 350 calories a day,
enough to produce a weight loss of 30 to 40 pounds in one year without
trips to the gym"

"In an environment that allows people to be sedentary, those with a
biological predisposition to sit still will do so, he said. In
contrast, the restless ones will still find ways to burn off calories,
even if it means walking around their desks."

Also of interest:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0675/is_2_17/ai_54286963

Unfortunately, I am not a fidgeter. I'm an extremely mellow, relaxed
type. I have to force myself to exercise. I am just not naturally
energetic, like my DH is. I am the type who given a chance to sit, will
sit. :-)

> Also anxiety tends to burn fuel.  I can gain a couple of pounds but it only
> takes one anxiety episode to drop it all off again.  And unfortunately i have
> those episodes in spite of the meds.  I try to channel them into something
> useful though, like writing letters to newspapers about issues that get me
> worked up.  Wrote a good one last night, hopefully it will be published.

Hmm, that is true. I have gone through anxious periods in my life where
I drop 10 lbs in a matter of weeks without thinking about it or even
trying. Usually it's because I lose my appetite, and stop sleeping,
which means I have more hours in the day to burn calories (even at my
slow, nonfidgety rate).

> I'm not a beanpole, i have a tendency towards full hips even tho everything
> else is thin.

Hips are the healthiest place to gain weight. I gain in my stomach
first. Yuck. It's the "bad fat" - but luckily my cholesterol and other
numbers remain excellent anyway. And ever since I've started walking
every day, even though the scale still isn't budging, my stomach is
definetly shrinking. Slowly, but perceptively... Yeah!

> I'm trying to build some muscle tone to support the painful
> joints but it's been an uphill battle so far.  Lifting even a pound is
> painful at times so it's hard to weight train to strengthen muscles necessary
> to support the joints.  Sort of a circle thing.  I exercise in water or with
> those giant stretchy band things i got from phys.therapy.  Those are great, as
> gentle as water resistence, but if they get old they snap!  :-)

Yeah, I'd think in your situation the water resistance is just what the
doctor ordered!!! Swimming is such a great activity. Wish I enjoyed it.
:-(

jen
Bill in Co. - 27 Nov 2006 20:05 GMT
>>> Do they fidget more than you do? Because fidgeting counts toward the
>>> "energy out" side of the equation.
>>
>> That's an interesting point.  I'm a fidgeting person.  I can't sit still,
>> even my fingers and toes are moving when i watch tv, and i roll around a
lot
>> in my sleep.   I'm rocking right now in a non-rocking chair! :-)
>
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> Unfortunately, I am not a fidgeter. I'm an extremely mellow, relaxed
> type.

See, that's the problem right there.    Just "get in the ring" here with us,
and go a few good rounds, and you can lose some more weight!     Just up the
anxiety level!
-Calliope- - 28 Nov 2006 03:42 GMT
> Also anxiety tends to burn fuel.  I can gain a couple of pounds but it
> only takes one anxiety episode to drop it all off again.

Gosh, if I lost weight due to anxiety, I'd be skin & bones... too bad it
hasn't helped me lose *something* though. :-(
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Tai - 28 Nov 2006 05:44 GMT
>> Also anxiety tends to burn fuel.  I can gain a couple of pounds but
>> it only takes one anxiety episode to drop it all off again.
>
> Gosh, if I lost weight due to anxiety, I'd be skin & bones... too bad
> it hasn't helped me lose *something* though. :-(

Anxiety never works for me either. About the only thing that ever has (apart
from the combination of starvation and increased exercise, of course) has
been unrelieved lust.

So... as it turns out I mostly have to rely on starvation to shift those
stubborn kilos!

Tai
Temily - 28 Nov 2006 04:25 GMT
> That's an interesting point.  I'm a fidgeting person.  I can't sit still, even
> my fingers and toes are moving when i watch tv, and i roll around a lot in my
> sleep.   I'm rocking right now in a non-rocking chair! :-)

That's funny...i can imagine you doing that :o) No wonder you lose
weight!!! I'm the same tho..especially when i'm thinking about
something..the foot taps..rocks...and if i'm really into my
thoughts..it's the full on foot swot! Lately i've been very relaxed!
(married life!) :o)

> Also anxiety tends to burn fuel.  I can gain a couple of pounds but it only
> takes one anxiety episode to drop it all off again.  And unfortunately i have
> those episodes in spite of the meds.  I try to channel them into something
> useful though, like writing letters to newspapers about issues that get me
> worked up.  Wrote a good one last night, hopefully it will be published.

And if you're the sort of person that can't literally eat when you're
anxious, that doesn't help either! When i was going through university
in my late teens i literally couldn't eat i was so uptight! And even
now..if i get nervous about a presentation or something i have to
do..my stomach seems to spasm and tighten..and i can't eat.

Re your letter - hopefully you will get that published ml :o)

Oh yeah, being newly married..or in love..burns fuel too...LOL!

> I'm not a beanpole, i have a tendency towards full hips even tho everything
> else is thin.  I'm trying to build some muscle tone to support the painful
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> those giant stretchy band things i got from phys.therapy.  Those are great, as
> gentle as water resistence, but if they get old they snap!  :-)

As i was reading this i was going to say the aquaerobics is wonderful
for building tone and strenthining muslces without stressing them..it's
not weight bearing which would be excellent for you ml..but any water
activity is good...even trying to 'run' in the water..

We use foam weight belts when we do the aquaerobics...and then after
the first half an hour we take them off and use foam weights to do arm
work...we then use foam needles to do leg work..this might be good for
you ML...get a needle and 'skip' in the water with it..

Temily
mL_ - 28 Nov 2006 07:01 GMT
>As i was reading this i was going to say the aquaerobics is wonderful
>for building tone and strenthining muslces without stressing them..it's
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>work...we then use foam needles to do leg work..this might be good for
>you ML...get a needle and 'skip' in the water with it..

I love the water exercises!  I use foam weights too, and also i have water
shoes so i can get some traction on the bottom of the pool and walk laps.  
Much different from walking on dry land.  And no sweating (or at least that i
can tell). :-)
Temily - 28 Nov 2006 07:44 GMT
>i have water shoes so i can get some traction on the bottom of the pool and walk laps.
> Much different from walking on dry land.

Water shoes...hmm....I'll have to make some enquiries about
these........they sound like they'd be good for a lower leg
workout..and knees too...well total leg really!

My mum goes in soon for a knee reconstruction so i'll be helping to
rehabilitate her and they sound good!

Do you have a name (brand) for them ML?

Temily
mL_ - 28 Nov 2006 19:24 GMT
>>i have water shoes so i can get some traction on the bottom of the pool and
> walk laps.
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>
>Do you have a name (brand) for them ML?

I picked them up at walmart for around $5.
I have seen better quality ones online, some look almost like regular
sneakers.  Figuring the chlorine will eat them up fairly quickly, i found the
cheap ones work just fine.  I'm not even sure what to call them other than
"water shoes".

I hope your mom's surgery goes well and that recovery is quick!
Temily - 29 Nov 2006 02:45 GMT
> I picked them up at walmart for around $5.

I'll have a look around..seems like they'd be good cos they have the
traction in the water..

> I hope your mom's surgery goes well and that recovery is quick!

Thanks for that ML...you're a darl :o)

Temily
-Calliope- - 28 Nov 2006 03:39 GMT
> Do they have a higher proportion of muscle mass than you do? Because
> the same amount of muscle takes up less volume than the same amount of
> fat. So a person with more muscle mass will require more calories to
> maintain it, but appear to be thinner.

No.. she does not exercise at all, she has a sit down job for eight+ hours
a day.. and eats junk non-stop.  She has always had a faster metabolism,
period.

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Joy - 28 Nov 2006 04:24 GMT
>> Do they have a higher proportion of muscle mass than you do? Because
>> the same amount of muscle takes up less volume than the same amount of
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> a day.. and eats junk non-stop.  She has always had a faster metabolism,
> period.

There's just no justice, is there :-)
-Calliope- - 28 Nov 2006 05:11 GMT
>> No.. she does not exercise at all, she has a sit down job for eight+
>> hours a day.. and eats junk non-stop.  She has always had a faster
>> metabolism, period.
>
> There's just no justice, is there :-)

Ugh.. no...sigh.. and of course.. SHE thinks it's so cool.. I cringe
sometimes when I hear the food she makes.. like I said elsewhere.. I'd be
real curious to know what he blood work looks like.

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Bill in Co. - 28 Nov 2006 06:08 GMT
>>> Do they have a higher proportion of muscle mass than you do? Because
>>> the same amount of muscle takes up less volume than the same amount of
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>
> There's just no justice, is there :-)

Not in this world.    Maybe in the next one.
Temily - 28 Nov 2006 04:27 GMT
> No.. she does not exercise at all, she has a sit down job for eight+ hours
> a day.. and eats junk non-stop.  She has always had a faster metabolism,
> period.

She doesn't have worms does she?

OK i'm being ridiculous! haha!

Temily
shinypenny - 28 Nov 2006 14:42 GMT
> > Do they have a higher proportion of muscle mass than you do? Because
> > the same amount of muscle takes up less volume than the same amount of
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> a day.. and eats junk non-stop.  She has always had a faster metabolism,
> period.

Even if she's inactive, she may still have more muscle mass, and also
be losing it at a slower rate. She may have been born that way. Amount
a person has is not just determined by nurture - nature counts too.

jen
Joy - 27 Nov 2006 03:36 GMT
>> No.. they don't 'have to'.. lol..  she is not picky in the least, she'll
>> eat anything and everything..
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>
> It's energy in, energy out.

Strictly speaking true - but I think the original discussion pertained to
people who really can eat a lot more calories than others without gaining
weight, because their body burns more calories than average.  A person with
a fast metabolism might well be able to maintain a stable weight on a lot
more calories than a person with a slow metabolism.
mL_ - 24 Nov 2006 17:41 GMT
>> Oh I sure wish I knew.. she has a faster metabolism, is my best guess.
>> She starts off her day with donuts & pastery.. always has a bag of chips
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>sometimes..but they've usually got very picky eating habits too! They'd
>have to.......................

Sometimes it's a digestive disorder.  And if so, they should seek nutritional
counseling (and not waste their capacity on non-nutritional fillers like chips
and donuts).  

I'm on the other end of this, with a tendency to become underweight if i'm not
careful.  Makes no difference if i eat a lot of sweets and junk or if i load
up on salad and lean meat.   I've always felt offended by being called
"skinny", just as some might be offended by being called "fatty".  As many
overweight people have an underlying physical reason and are not just lazy
overeaters, not all underweight people are bullimic or supermodel wanna-be's.
Sometimes they just can't keep any weight on.  Most people don't understand,
but a donut or pie isn't the best thing to feed an underweight person.    I
learned this from dealing with my mom.  From a nutritional standpoint, nuts,
cheese and other high-protein snacks are much more beneficial than
sugar-and-fat-laden snacks with no useful nutrients.

I used to envy thin people when i was young and slightly overweight.  I
learned my lesson. :-)
WhansaMi - 24 Nov 2006 18:01 GMT
>> Oh I sure wish I knew.. she has a faster metabolism, is my best guess.
>> She starts off her day with donuts & pastery.. always has a bag of chips
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>
> Temily

Not necessarily.  My DH was, as a child and young man, *very* thin (his
oldest daughter is the same way).  He tells me he ate exactly the same way
then as he does now (favorite dish to make for himself is taking frozen
hashbrowns, frying them up in oil and onions, and topping with bacon,
sausage, cheese, and sour cream), but now his metabolism is very different.

DD loves to eat too.  She is 90 lbs.

Sheila
Temily - 23 Nov 2006 08:02 GMT
snipped other ingredients

> 1 1/2 cups of sour cream
> 5 T butter, divided

and  snipped the method...

> (Adapted from Harriet Roth's Cholesterol Control Cookbook)

I thought it was strange to look at the cream and butter component and
think of it as something from a Cholesterol Control
Cookbook........sounds yummy...but sounds cholesterol laden!

I have used a similar recipe with sliced potatoes like that..(and can
add sliced mushrooms and/or onion) and used soup intead of the cream
and butter...

Still nice :o)

(and maybe with a sprinkling of non chol cheese on the top while it's
baking for those not worrying about cholesterol!)

Temily
 
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