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De rerum natura  - (formerly titled: Grill Bill in Co. Vol. 14)

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Raving - 25 Dec 2006 20:33 GMT
O.K. Bill. Let's do it.

Bill in Co. wrote:
> Raving wrote:
> > Bill in Co. wrote:
> >> Raving wrote:
> >>> Sarah Lister wrote:
> >>>> Okay, here's a fairly practical marriage problem for everyone to think
> >>>> about as opposed to Seeker's broad-based issues.
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, well Seeker is an idiot and this group seems to have the greatest
> >>> of difficulty in figuring out the difference between a vagina and a penis.
> >>>
> >>> No surprise there, really.
> >>>
> >>>> One of the things that I do that drives my husband crazy is I leave
> >>>> things open, like cabinet doors, drawers, and (yesterday) the gate to
> >>>> the dog's fence.  Luckily our dog is a homebody and we just found her
> >>>> on the front porch, but my husband was really upset.  He made it clear
> >>>> to me that he wants me to work on this and it's very important to him.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anyone have any helpful hints on developing new habits of this
> >>>> type?  I'm ADD (hush, Bill) if it helps,...
> >>>
> >>> And Seeker's wife is an OCD type person.
> >>>
> >>>  Shrug. Who gives a rat's a.s.
> >>>
> >>> Not moi, any more.
> >>
> >> Well, why not?
> > T'would seem that whereas you prefer Stoicism (or Asceticism ?), I
> > favor the Epicurean approach.
> >
> >   Does this mean that you are an OCD type thinker, too?
> >
> > Cordially,
> >
> > Raving
>
> I'm not buying into most of these 3 letter abbreviations for today's world (of
> which there is a near-infinite supply.     Just recall how thick the DSM is
> TODAY.   Anything can be, and will be, classified as a disorder.
>
> Probably even reciting the Pledge of Allegiance out loud (and the possible
> consequences of such, on your mental state) is in there - today.
>
> It seems like almost everybody today has either ADD or ADC or SUB or XOR or EOR
> or ROL or ROR or NOT (or whatever - you fill in the blank), and has an excuse.
> And as a teacher, I was (occasionally)  forced to put up with some unbelievable
> nonsense today (this for the school's fear of a lawsuit - these days).     Most
> of this crap didn't exist before.    Hell, today, if you even look the wrong way
> at a student, or speak the wrong way (by trying to hold him accountable), there
> will probably be a lawsuit against the school.    So, Viva Le Age De
> Enlightemente.
>
> "You can't make me take that test, Teach!     *I* have ADD, and *I'm* excused
> from having to take your damn test (and learn how to spell or do arithmetic, for
> example).
>
> So give me the damn A, and let's be done with it already, or I'll sue your a.s
> and put your school out of business in the process.    Because *I* am special,
> and *I* am *exempt* (and I have a note saying so!) from ALL of your tests, and
> all of your measures of accountability, you meanie, you.

Also ...

Bill in Co. wrote:
> Raving wrote:
> > Bill in Co. wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm not buying into most of these 3 letter abbreviations for today's world
> >> (of which there is a near-infinite supply.     Just recall how thick the DSM
> >> is TODAY.   Anything can be, and will be, classified as a disorder.
> >
> > What were you expecting, eh?
>
> I was expecting more.
> Sigh, seems I'm always expecting more, and am constantly disappointed.
>
> > It's medicine. They are stuck with a pathological paradigm.
>
> So it seems....
>
> > I agree that it's all a huge stinking mess ... and getting worse,
> > quickly.
>
> EXACTLY!!!!!    No!   Say it isn't so!    We're just "discovering" things that
> didn't even exist before!     I understand!    Really, I do....!
>
> ......   /sarcasm off)
>
> >  It's time to set you right, Bill in Co.
>
> Good Luck.
>
> > These '3 letter abbreviations for today's world' describe the pathology
> > of what occurs when genetically determined 'Thinking Proclivities'
> > become dysfunctional.
>
> And isn't that just about everything TODAY?
> Come to think of it, I haven't met all that many completely "functional" people
> (i.e, not dysfunctional at least in some ways, or in some categories)
>
> > For a start; that which is being described is NOT the "Thought
> > proclivity" itself; rather it's the junk and crap that results from the
> > absence of an effective "Thought proclivity".
> >
> > Instead of recognizing and addressing the cause, which is productive
> > and effective, the physicians make the mistake of treating the symptoms.
> >
> > The symptomatology is caused by agents which are different than that of
> > the functioning 'Thought Proclivity'.
> >
> > Example:
> >
> > How does one describe a functional and effective ADD type thinker?
>
> You take a multiple choice test, and if you get 5 or more (out of 10) on it, you
> are ADD.    If you get 4, you aren't!!     So there!       :-)
>
> >    ... It isn't exactly ADD, is it?
> >
> > For starters, there isn't any problem.  One perceives a very effective
> > individual.
> >
> > Describe that "effective" individual, eh?
>
> An "effective" individual?    What the hell does that mean?    Effective at
> what???   No one is effective at everything.
Effective individual?

Sort of like ...

"What is thought?"  or "How does the mind work?"

Isn't that the *bottom line* here?

(Opening post. ... TBC immediately)
Raving - 25 Dec 2006 21:04 GMT
> O.K. Bill. Let's do it.
>
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>
> Isn't that the *bottom line* here?
So what exactly is "thought" Bill, huh?

Any thoughts on this classic topic, eh?

How about ....

"Thought" is AWARENESS.

 A.K.A.  The lending of  *A*T*T*E*N*T*I*O*N*

If you don't stop to *think about it too much* and move RAPIDLY &
REPEATEDLY over it ....

(which is essential with this very fundamental, high frequency type of
thing.)

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 .... are more or less, the same thing.

These concepts are distinct insofar as they imply different
perspectives on the same common focus.

A.K.A.  the focus of awareness.

There is much MORE to the 'Focus of Awareness' than the mere obvious.
....

The surrounding proximity is supersaturated with stuff that is 'taken
for granted'.

(TBC ... immediately.)
Bill in Co. - 26 Dec 2006 03:20 GMT
>> O.K. Bill. Let's do it.
>>
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>
>   A.K.A.  The lending of  *A*T*T*E*N*T*I*O*N*

Thought is a process of mental activity, viz:  the process of thinking.
It may consist of conceptualization, imagination, judgement, rationalization,
denial, meditation, contemplation, reflection, etc, etc, etc (said the King and
I).

That's what thought is....
Raving - 26 Dec 2006 16:05 GMT
> ...
> > "Thought" is AWARENESS.
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>
> That's what thought is....
That's what thoughts are too ....

I like the characterization of Hammerstein.

( He was a writer, right?  .... "Hammerstein's most successful and
sustained collaboration however, came in 1943 when he teamed up with
Richard Rodgers to write a musical adaptation of the play Green Grow
the Lilacs. Rodgers' first partner, Lorenz Hart, was originally going
to join in the collaboration but was too deeply entrenched in
alcoholism to be of any use." ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Hammerstein_II )
Raving - 26 Dec 2006 16:09 GMT
> > That's what thought is....
> That's what thoughts are too ....
>
> I like the characterization of Hammerstein.
Misfire with the posting. (SWMBO is calling  ... )

 ... Yes, I agree with what you suggest and there is a lot more too.

To follow presently.

Cordially,

Raving
Raving - 29 Dec 2006 23:21 GMT
What follows is some stuff that I wrote earlier.

O.K. It's rough.  Better to post something than to remain locked up
concerning it ...

Cordially,

Raving

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I only consider these "Thought predilections' as descriptions of
"Pattern of Awareness"

Example:  A OCD personality is defined as:

An Intellect which emphasizes the deployment, displacement and usage of
awareness, itself.  People who are OCD in are preoccupied with shaping,
controlling and steering the 'Tunnel of focal Awareness'

**Notice** .. there is nothing in my description to say that such a
thing is a good or bad activity.  Rather it is an observation that this
is what OCD type intellects do well and to the exclusion of otherwise .

OCD type intellects seem to be all about maintaining and directing
convergence.

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Example: An ADD personality is defined as:

An Intellect which emphasizes the finding, discovering, converging of
the 'Tunnel of focal Awareness'.   Getting there is EVERYTHING.

Driven to distraction is another way of saying ...

An emphasis on seeking out, discovering, convergence .

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Example: An Autistic personality is defined as:

An Intellect which emphasizes the regulating of "Focal awareness" to a
precise, constancy. This has the effect of persevering the
correspondence  I.E. the One-to-One  ( or One-to-N ) mapping between on
moment-by-moment awareness and all other moment-by-moment awarenesses.

The huge advantage of doing this is the "Accumulated awareness in
totality" retains an intensely integrated, coherent,  rearrangeable
wholeness.

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Example: The Bipolar personality is defined as:

An Intellect which emphasizes exploring, spanning, surveying  the space
of awareness

I used to believe that this is what ADD types did this sort of this.  I
have changed my mind about it.   ADD types seem preoccupied with
discovering/learning awareness/convergence.

The thought of systematically mapping out or running through that which
I know ... is boring for me. It seems to be the bipolar type
Intellectual that emphasizes deliberate, systematic discursiveness of
focal awareness
Raving - 30 Dec 2006 04:19 GMT
It's all about ...

ME
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ME
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ME

How a person "thinks" is governed by their preferences, habits, and
patterns of awareness

Without trying to fall in into endless Yogi Berraisms ...

A person cares about what the are aware in regard.

How is your awareness/attention drawn?

What shapes your awareness?

Of what are you aware?

That defines who we are, ...what we do, ...how we go about doing it,
...why there are things that are difficult for us to do.

It's so bloody obvious.  Everyone takes it completely for granted.
 
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