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Draconis - 27 Dec 2006 04:29 GMT My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting pregnant, she has become completely uninterested I any type of sexual relationship or even physical contact. I know she's been feeling lousy, but she wants zero contact. Seriously. As it is, I get lucky if I hold her hand. She's not outwardly angry or distant, she's just completely uninterested. I've tried to talk to her about it, but she shuts down. Any ideas out there?
Irrational Number - 27 Dec 2006 04:47 GMT > My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just completely uninterested. I've tried to talk to her about it, > but she shuts down. Any ideas out there? Ooh.. pregnancy changes a woman so much! For me, certain smells repulsed me: Juice Squeeze, hamburger, my husband... It makes no sense; one would think evolution would have set it up that a pregnant woman would *never* be repulsed by her partner!
It got better after the first trimester.
-- Anita --
Draconis - 27 Dec 2006 07:13 GMT Thanks Anita. I know all about her sensitivity to smells. The other day she took two steps into the house, took a whiff of the chicken I was cooking for our daughter (she's 7) and bolted right out of the house. She almost made it out of the garage before she lost it. Not only is she set off by smells, but she, as a lifelong vegetarian, has been devouring as much meat as she can! I'm hanging in there! Thanks again.
> > My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -- Anita -- bchamberlin - 27 Dec 2006 15:38 GMT > > My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > just completely uninterested. I've tried to talk to her about it, > > but she shuts down. Any ideas out there? Hormones, my friend. My wife, one who was never interested in sex too much on a good day, became a big horn dog when she was pregnant. Seriously...even at 8 months and the size of a VW.... it was funny and some of the best moments we ever had. When that ended, she was back to her same old self. Just be patient and let her deal with this difficult time. If you see it seeping into other areas then maybe mention it to her doctor. Otherwise sit back, relax, enjoy the pregnancy and for the time being, take care of things yourself.
--Brian
Draconis - 28 Dec 2006 03:26 GMT Thanks, Brian! Well, here's hoping the hormones kick in! :-)
> > > My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > > > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > --Brian Tai - 27 Dec 2006 05:17 GMT > My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just completely uninterested. I've tried to talk to her about it, > but she shuts down. Any ideas out there? I'd concentrate on the lack of affectionate contact right now and be patient about the lack of sex, if I was you. We don't have any way of knowing how uncomfortable your wife is and some women do just feel repelled by the idea of sex during pregnancy. Is she frightened to hug or kiss you... or even to hold your hand because she doesn't want you to think it means she'll welcome more intimate contact? Is she feeling ambivalent about her pregnancy, in the first place?
Can you gently and without resentment tell her you'll wait until she feels better about sex because you love her and it wouldn't be good for you either if she can't enjoy it but you do feel very lonely that she doesn't want to even hug you right now? I suspect you both need reassurance from the other right now, but different kinds of it.
Tai
Larry G. - 27 Dec 2006 06:20 GMT > My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just completely uninterested. I've tried to talk to her about it, > but she shuts down. Any ideas out there? Well, since you now have free time and free hands, you might want to read a book such as
"The Expectant Father: Facts, Tips and Advice for Dads-to-Be" http://www.amazon.com/Expectant-Father-Advice-Dads-Be/dp/0789205386/sr=8-5/qid=1 167198466/ref=pd_bbs_5/104-2613730-5438316?ie=UTF8&s=books
Seriously!
Pregnancy and babies can be quite disruptive to marriages, and it is usually because the father-to-be is not prepared for the changes.
Some of the issues you'll face in your relationship:
1. Feelings of abandonment - your wife is distracted with the pregnancy. If she is feeling nauseous, achy, moody, or in any way bad, be prepared to get blamed.
2. Competition with baby (for the mother's attention) - men often equate their wives with a mother figure (their mothers!). Prior to pregnancy/birth, they aren't used to sharing or competing for the mother's attention.
3. Helplessness - If you don't know what to do, or you do the wrong things, you can lose your wife, the baby and your marriage. And you get to pay child support.
4. Escape - If you ain't getting no satisfaction at home, you may think of finding it elsewhere! BIG, BIG MISTAKE!!!!
What you CAN DO:
1. Take care of your "needs" yourself. You did it as a teenager, you still remember how. Just because you got married don't mean you can forget now.
2. Be a "father" to both your wife and your baby. Provide her with the support that she needs now, and get used to nurturing others, providing for their needs, their safety, their comfort, and their future. Think about their needs before your own (which you already know how to take care of). Hopefully, when you were a child, you had a good role model to show you how to do this. If not, find one!
3. Off-load burdens, chore and responsibilities from your wife. Clean house, wash dishes, cook dinner - if you are able.
4. Show interest in the Baby. Attend birthing and parenting classes with your wife (Don't be flirting with the other ladies! Very bad form.) Take your wife shopping for baby- things - a crib, infant toys, diapers, bottles, car seats, rockers, and the carry everything diaper bag. (Try to add some humor to the process. If it is fun for you, it might help her feel better about the entire pregnancy thing.)
5. Find a fathers-to-be support group. You all can sit around the room telling raunchy jokes and laughing about how ain't nobody getting none for another year, but they long term rewards should be more than worth the momentary sacrifice.
6. Get some time away for yourself. Go for a walk. Remember who you are, how you got here, and where you want to go. Think of the distant future. The day your first child graduates college, you'll be able to look yourself in the mirror, and quietly proclaim "Today . . . I AM a Man!"
Until then, there is a lot of work that needs to be done. ;-)
Good luck, Larry G. LAMPS www.loveandmarriageseminars.com
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Draconis - 27 Dec 2006 07:24 GMT Thanks Larry! I actually have a copy of that book (the first edition) that I got when my daughter was on the way. Good book. There's NO WAY I'm thinking of getting satisfaction somewhere else (Point #4 on your list). I'm crazy about my wife, and I guess that's part of why I'm at such a loss about this whole thing. I've been spending a lot of time getting my daughter ready for the changes that will come for her too. She'll no longer be the only child, so she'll have some adjustments to make. My wife was amazed because I had to work off some stress over this so I completely re-organized our garage, scrubbed the kitchen, the living room and the baby's room. I had been working out regularly, but I over did it and injured my hip. Not good. I keep hanging in here, I guess I just needed to get it all out of my system. Thanks.
> > My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ---- Draconis - 27 Dec 2006 07:25 GMT Thanks Larry! I actually have a copy of that book (the first edition) that I got when my daughter was on the way. Good book. There's NO WAY I'm thinking of getting satisfaction somewhere else (Point #4 on your list). I'm crazy about my wife, and I guess that's part of why I'm at such a loss about this whole thing. I've been spending a lot of time getting my daughter ready for the changes that will come for her too. She'll no longer be the only child, so she'll have some adjustments to make. My wife was amazed because I had to work off some stress over this so I completely re-organized our garage, scrubbed the kitchen, the living room and the baby's room. I had been working out regularly, but I over did it and injured my hip. Not good. I keep hanging in here, I guess I just needed to get it all out of my system. Thanks.
> > My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ---- rdubose@pdq.net - 28 Dec 2006 04:54 GMT > > My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > LAMPS > www.loveandmarriageseminars.com This kind of sh.t is enough to annihlate the average guys interest in marriage. I notice that you cannot seem to even conceptualize that the wife might have any obligations towards husband. You must think we are pretty stupid.
> -- > Your mind is a terrible thing to waste - TURN OFF YOUR TV! > > ----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News=---- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ---- Draconis - 28 Dec 2006 07:08 GMT > > > My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > > > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > > ---- Hey rdub... I gotta tell ya, I'm a little concerned about your use of the word "obligations" I'd like to think my wife makes love to me because she loves me and she enjoys it, not because she's "obligated". Honestly, if I felt she was "obligated" I probably would never have come here to ask the advice of strangers. I probably would have made selfish and unreasonable demands that may have taken my marriage to the breaking point. That's the last thing in the world I want. A few people here have written things that really concern me about their attitudes toward their wives. I want everyone to be clear on this: Apart from this episode, I'm 100% happy in my marriage and completely committed to my wife and marriage. Tell me, would it matter to you to find out that your wife made love to you because she was obligated-the same way she may be to clean the dishes or put gas in the car, or would you seriously want her to love you enough to give herself to you?
JAKE - 27 Dec 2006 07:59 GMT draconis,you already know the answer to your question but your hopping your wrong,maybe you are ,but probably not.its not fair for her to make you worried about your relationship to where you have to come here and ask questions,she is not being straight with you. and you dont need any books on how to be a dad ,that comes natural.shes the one who needs to sit down and read how to be a better wife
> My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just completely uninterested. I've tried to talk to her about it, > bushe shuts down. Any ideas out there? Larry G. - 27 Dec 2006 13:55 GMT > draconis,you already know the answer to your question but your hopping > your wrong,maybe you are ,but probably not.its not fair for her to make > you worried about your relationship to where you have to come here and > ask questions,she is not being straight with you. and you dont need any > books on how to be a dad ,that comes natural.shes the one who needs to > sit down and read how to be a better wife Horseshit!
Where the hell do you get the wherewithall to tell someone else to: - avoid education - avoid personal responsibility and initiative - blame their spouse - set up their marriage for failure
If you aren't divorced by now, I should imagine your wife wishes she were. I grew up in a house with that kind of imbicilic insecurity, domination and abuse. And I resent anyone else trying to perpetuate such a miserable state of existence.
Get off the internet and get thee to a counselor, before you end up in jail, and take other innocent souls with you.
regards, Larry G. LAMPS www.loveandmarriageseminars.com
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tabaround@yahoo.com - 28 Dec 2006 00:40 GMT Gee, Larry, maybe you should calm down? This is a message board, not a professional counseling office. People are free to be wrong without reducing them to dust. I appreciate your motivation, but your delivery is hostile and could use some understanding and patience to temper it.
Thanks for the advice portion of your post. THAT part was good.
Regards, Tab
> > draconis,you already know the answer to your question but your hopping > > your wrong,maybe you are ,but probably not.its not fair for her to make [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Michael A. Ball - 27 Dec 2006 17:07 GMT >draconis,you already know the answer to your question but your hopping >your wrong,maybe you are ,but probably not.its not fair for her to make >you worried about your relationship to where you have to come here and >ask questions,she is not being straight with you. and you dont need any >books on how to be a dad ,that comes natural.shes the one who needs to >sit down and read how to be a better wife Are you being facetious? Okay. I'll play.
Yeah! You're right: this mess is her fault! She is being unfair. She knew, before she became pregnant that she'd have weird sensory anomalies, daunting physical chances and off the scale mood swings. What a mean person she is! Who knows what sort of things she is hiding. She needs to read a lot of books on being a good wife! You know, I think she might be possessed!
Naturally, the OP doesn't need to read any books on being a father.
NO! I CAN'T DO THIS! You said, "...you don't need any books on how to be a dad ,that comes natural." That is the stupidest damned thing I've read here in a very long time. Being a good dad (or mother) does Not come naturally--especially in humans! You have to work at it! Books can provide a lot of insight, and so can discussions with knowledgeable people.
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S.D. - 28 Dec 2006 00:53 GMT > you dont need any > books on how to be a dad ,that comes natural.shes the one who needs to > sit down and read how to be a better wife How old are you???? This sounds like a teenager or a disturbed frat brother talking through his a.s...
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Draconis - 28 Dec 2006 03:24 GMT Hey Jake, Well, thanks for your comments, but I'm not really all that worried about our relationship. We're strong in every other aspect of our marriage, and I feel like I would be less than a man if I left my wife and children simply because I wasn't getting enough sex. So why did I come here? I guess just to see if I was alone in this event or if any other guys have experienced this too. Still, thanks for the words
> draconis,you already know the answer to your question but your hopping > your wrong,maybe you are ,but probably not.its not fair for her to make [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > just completely uninterested. I've tried to talk to her about it, > > bushe shuts down. Any ideas out there? tabaround@yahoo.com - 28 Dec 2006 00:59 GMT Good evening, Draconis!
You are facing a dilemma that many, MANY young fathers do, yet are ashamed to speak about it to others for fear of retribution or casting a pall on you or your wifes reputations, especially being newly married.
Pregnancy brings a whole host of issues forward that neither of you have had to confront before. She is battling a virtual armegeddon of hormonal and physical changes that are duty bound to affect her emotions, as well. She may even be fearful of sexual contact, because she feels the babe might be injured in the process. In addition to wanting to vomit at the sight or smell of certain foods or other types of odor sources, well, she's a mess for the first few months of this odessey you two have ventured off on. For you, I am proud of the fact that you are sensible, devoted and concerned for her well-being and also, for caring enough to seek answers to this problem for yourself, but for your lovely bride as well. My best advice to you is to encourage you to go slowly, try to be patient and remember that your relationship consists of 90% emotion and 10% physical, if we can presume you to be a "normally sexually active" young couple, so it may require that you underscore the emotional connection and diminish the need for the physical connection for awhile. COMMUNICATION is now and will always be your very best tool for understanding each others fears, needs and desires. It is my sincerest wish that you speak to her after the lights have gone out and you are laying together in bed, whereupon you can quietly appeal your concerns to her with as little confrontation as possible. It is very possible that she is ashamed or feeling resentful that you have asked for sex at this stage OR it could be that it is simply her hormones in overdrive and she simply will not be able to explain her actions and attitudes. That doesn't make it right, but you two love one another and can learn to trust each other in SPITE of the problems.
Having 'been there, done that', I can tell you that the solution to your problem will come most likely as the problem is disappearing. Pregnancy brings with it a while host of changes that you will watch her go through and to which you will be required to respond correctly to. Again, TRY TO talk, talk and talk some more and I think that you will find the answers you seek together with time and patience. That rule will not change for the rest of your married lives, so begin today, hon. Just never stop trying!!
Best of luck and congratulations on this very exciting and rewarding chapter of your lives together ...
Tab ;)
> My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just completely uninterested. I've tried to talk to her about it, > but she shuts down. Any ideas out there? Draconis - 28 Dec 2006 06:43 GMT Hey Tab, Thanks for all the great advice. I've tried talking to her several times at different times. I've even written her letters in case she's uncomfortable talking face to face. No reply. I keep trying to keep myself active: work, housecleaning, late night Google advice :-), and stuff like that. I've even been playing a PS2 just to get my mind off things! I appreciate your thoughtful and insightful advice. I'll stand by her, of course, and, since I was there when she got pregnant (wink wink) I already know she's worth the wait.
> Good evening, Draconis! > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > just completely uninterested. I've tried to talk to her about it, > > but she shuts down. Any ideas out there? S.D. - 28 Dec 2006 01:09 GMT > I've always valued > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just completely uninterested. I've tried to talk to her about it, > but she shuts down. Any ideas out there? A year of marriage isn't nearly enough to really know how your SO's behaves under situations as demanding as pregnancy. Its surly not easy, and its only the beginning.
Its time to man up --- If you're man enough to father a child, you're man enough to step up and provide some patience, understanding and leadership. You're about to be a dad, quite thinking with your little head... <grr>
You're body isn't contorting to accommodate another person. She's taken on the process without knowing what's going to happen to her in the next minute. Imagine how she's changing and how those changes are affecting her own sense of self, let alone the wife in her.
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Ivanna Pee - 28 Dec 2006 13:44 GMT > My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just completely uninterested. I've tried to talk to her about it, > but she shuts down. Any ideas out there? Good luck. My daughter is 3.5 years old. The last time I was intimate with my wife was 3 years ago. I vehemently complained about this on several occasions and was told to look elsewhere, so I do. It is a terrible thing to be rejected by your own wife; really screws up your mind. I love my wife and daughter; unfortunately she is no longer interested in sex. I think we are only together because of our daughter. Maybe its because she is now 42 years old. I dunno, but I hope for better things for you. I am miserable. I beleive that if I do find a woman who consistently puts out for me my marriage will end quickly. Let her read this.
Stephanie - 28 Dec 2006 13:50 GMT >> My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued >> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > find a woman who consistently puts out for me my marriage will end > quickly. Let her read this. Do people really think and live like this? This is so depressing. I have an imagine in my mind of a cycle that both of you are feeding into, so busy with your own needs and desires that your partner's are irrelevant when focusing on your partner would get you what YOU want. I tell you what, no one in their right mind wants to be viewed as "consistently putting out." And when approached with complaints about the lack of sex, I wonder who would want to have sex because of complaints rather than TLC. Stop it. Break the cycle. And talk to her like a human being and find out what her needs are. And express your needs in a meaningful and emotionally healthy way.
Get over to marriagebuilders.com. Get into marriage counseling. Before you ruin your child's life.
bchamberlin - 28 Dec 2006 16:41 GMT > >> My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > >> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Get over to marriagebuilders.com. Get into marriage counseling. Before you > ruin your child's life. Good advice. You and I haven't always gotten along on this group, but it's hard to argue with logic like that.
--Brian
Ivanna Pee - 28 Dec 2006 17:51 GMT > >> My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > >> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Get over to marriagebuilders.com. Get into marriage counseling. Before you > ruin your child's life. Typical woman. You know it all don't you. Needs and desires? Sex is a need for the human male, especially the American male. Why do people get married? For love, companionship, compassion, and sex. Yes sex, consistent sex. This is undeniable. No dating required. It is understood. Lack of sex may even be grounds for a divorce in some states, kinda like abandonment. If sex is not one of the reasons for a marriage, then it is most likely that the reason is money. I lived with my wife for 4 years before we got married, and then we waited 5 years before making a baby. Those were the good old days. So we have been living together for at least 13 years. Ask your hubby what he would do if you stopped being intimate with him. You may be surprised what he says, but I wouldn't.
How long have you been married miss know it all?
tabaround@yahoo.com - 28 Dec 2006 18:15 GMT Hi, Ivanna ...
I think you are both saying the same thing, just from different perspectives. If you think about it, 'The Blame Game' is used by us all to deflect and defend our positions, yet in the end, if we can't compromise and make an admission or two that we don't know everything and that we are not perfect beings in the context of our relationship with our spouse, we then we have no hope of making any real progress in understanding what is wrong or how to fix it.
The bedroom is an extension of your relationship with one another. Typically, if there is some need not being met outside the bedroom, you will find it directly affects the relationship inside the bedroom. Sex, making love, is an act of TRUST. If your spouse feels that you have betrayed her trust, this is going to change the metrics of your relationship. I don't care if it's a year old or 100 years old. Women have a keen sense of their emotional selves and often are accused of being guilty of nagging their mates. Why? Because they are able to see the problem and are bold enough to do something about it.
If you and your wife are at odds over child-rearing or household responsibilities, money matters, family relationships or friends, or she is just plain worn out from being everybody's everything, perhaps this has contributed to the dry-spell in the BR. We will all go through different times in our life when some things are simply more important than others, and as a couple it takes great patience, understanding and a willingness to communicate with each other to navigate through them. If it is a hormonal imbalance, she may well need to see her physician or begin a workout regimine to adequately address it. No matter what the problem, if you love her and she loves you, don't run from it. Confront it head on. You will not regret it.
Good luck ...
Tab
> > >> My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > > >> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > How long have you been married miss know it all? Doug Anderson - 28 Dec 2006 19:33 GMT > > >> My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > > >> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > he would do if you stopped being intimate with him. You may be > surprised what he says, but I wouldn't. Here is the problem.
Your attitude that you are entitled to sex isn't getting you any, is it?
Your attitude that no sex is grounds for divorce also isn't helping you much, is it? (And it is silly, since in most parts of the US, not wanting to be married anymore is grounds for divorce.)
So what can you do?
1) be unhappy, whine, and divorce when you find someone else.
2) ask yourself what is going on overall with your marriage, and whether there is a way to turn it around.
If you aren't going to do (1), then going to marriage counseling, and beginning conversations with your wife about how to make your marriage overall better (you can certainly include that you'd like to have a sex life together again) is your best approach.
Ivanna Pee - 28 Dec 2006 23:53 GMT > > > >> My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > > > >> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > marriage overall better (you can certainly include that you'd like > to have a sex life together again) is your best approach. How long have you been married? Conversations abound with my wife you nutter. Been trying to turn it around for 3 years. Took 6 months to get my first date with her 14 years ago. Can't you read? Iv'e been all through #2 on your pop chart.
Doug Anderson - 29 Dec 2006 00:28 GMT > > > > >> My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > > > > >> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > How long have you been married? 24 years.
> Conversations abound with my wife you > nutter. Have you been going to marriage counseling? If you can't fix things yourself, it is time to look for a skilled expert. That's what you do if your car was broken, right?
> Been trying to turn it around for 3 years. Took 6 months to get > my first date with her 14 years ago. Can't you read? Iv'e been all > through #2 on your pop chart. Since you didn't write about it, how would being able to read have helped?
Is your style here any indication of how you behave to other people? If you treat your wife like you treat people who are trying to be helpful here, it would be _very_ surprising if she wanted to have sex with you.
S.D. - 28 Dec 2006 21:11 GMT > Get over to marriagebuilders.com. Get into marriage counseling. Before you > ruin your child's life. Excellent advice and site, I might add.
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honjohn - 29 Dec 2006 21:44 GMT > My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just completely uninterested. I've tried to talk to her about it, > but she shuts down. Any ideas out there ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Have you considered getting a boyfriend? He could help you ease through your lonelyness.The plus side is he won't get pregnant. When your out of Town Go for the Brown Round..............
Draconis - 31 Dec 2006 05:52 GMT So... were you born an idiot or did you learn it from your parents?
> > My wife and I have been married for over a year. I've always valued > > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > When your out of Town > Go for the Brown Round..............
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