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Draconis - 27 Dec 2006 04:29 GMT
My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
pregnant, she has become completely uninterested I any type of sexual
relationship or even physical contact.   I know she's been feeling
lousy, but she wants zero contact.   Seriously.  As it is, I get lucky
if I hold her hand.  She's not outwardly angry or distant, she's
just completely uninterested.  I've tried to talk to her about it,
but she shuts down.  Any ideas out there?
Irrational Number - 27 Dec 2006 04:47 GMT
> My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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> just completely uninterested.  I've tried to talk to her about it,
> but she shuts down.  Any ideas out there?

Ooh..  pregnancy changes a woman so much!  For me,
certain smells repulsed me:  Juice Squeeze, hamburger,
my husband... It makes no sense; one would think
evolution would have set it up that a pregnant
woman would *never* be repulsed by her partner!

It got better after the first trimester.

-- Anita --
Draconis - 27 Dec 2006 07:13 GMT
Thanks Anita.  I know all about her sensitivity to smells.  The other
day she took two steps into the house, took a whiff of the chicken I
was cooking for our daughter (she's 7) and bolted right out of the
house.  She almost made it out of the garage before she lost it.  Not
only is she set off by smells, but she, as a lifelong vegetarian, has
been devouring as much meat as she can!  I'm hanging in there!  Thanks
again.

> > My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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>
> -- Anita --
bchamberlin - 27 Dec 2006 15:38 GMT
> > My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> > just completely uninterested.  I've tried to talk to her about it,
> > but she shuts down.  Any ideas out there?

Hormones, my friend.  My wife, one who was never interested in sex too
much on a good day, became a big horn dog when she was pregnant.
Seriously...even at 8 months and the size of a VW.... it was funny and
some of the best moments we ever had.  When that ended, she was back to
her same old self.  Just be patient and let her deal with this
difficult time.  If you see it seeping into other areas then maybe
mention it to her doctor. Otherwise sit back, relax, enjoy the
pregnancy and for the time being, take care of things yourself.

--Brian
Draconis - 28 Dec 2006 03:26 GMT
Thanks, Brian!
Well, here's hoping the hormones kick in! :-)

> > > My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> > > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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> --Brian
Tai - 27 Dec 2006 05:17 GMT
> My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> just completely uninterested.  I've tried to talk to her about it,
> but she shuts down.  Any ideas out there?

I'd concentrate on the lack of affectionate contact right now and be patient
about the lack of sex, if I was you. We don't have any way of knowing how
uncomfortable your wife is and some women do just feel repelled by the idea
of sex during pregnancy. Is she frightened to hug or kiss you... or even to
hold your hand because she doesn't want you to think it means she'll welcome
more intimate contact? Is she feeling ambivalent about her pregnancy, in the
first place?

Can you gently and without resentment tell her you'll wait until she feels
better about sex because you love her and it wouldn't be good for you either
if she can't enjoy it but you do feel very lonely that she doesn't want to
even hug you right now? I suspect you both need reassurance from the other
right now, but different kinds of it.

Tai
Larry G. - 27 Dec 2006 06:20 GMT
> My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> just completely uninterested.  I've tried to talk to her about it,
> but she shuts down.  Any ideas out there?

Well, since you now have free time and free hands, you might
want to read a book such as

"The Expectant Father: Facts, Tips and Advice for Dads-to-Be"
http://www.amazon.com/Expectant-Father-Advice-Dads-Be/dp/0789205386/sr=8-5/qid=1
167198466/ref=pd_bbs_5/104-2613730-5438316?ie=UTF8&s=books


Seriously!

Pregnancy and babies can be quite disruptive to marriages, and it
is usually because the father-to-be is not prepared for the changes.

Some of the issues you'll face in your relationship:

1. Feelings of abandonment - your wife is distracted with the
pregnancy.  If she is feeling nauseous, achy, moody, or in any
way bad, be prepared to get blamed.

2. Competition with baby (for the mother's attention) - men often
equate their wives with a mother figure (their mothers!).  Prior
to pregnancy/birth, they aren't used to sharing or competing for
the mother's attention.

3. Helplessness - If you don't know what to do, or you do the
wrong things, you can lose your wife, the baby and your marriage.
And you get to pay child support.

4. Escape - If you ain't getting no satisfaction at home, you
may think of finding it elsewhere!  BIG, BIG MISTAKE!!!!

What you CAN DO:

1. Take care of your "needs" yourself.  You did it as a
teenager, you still remember how.  Just because you got
married don't mean you can forget now.

2. Be a "father" to both your wife and your baby.  Provide
her with the support that she needs now, and get used to
nurturing others, providing for their needs, their safety,
their comfort, and their future.  Think about their needs
before your own (which you already know how to take care
of).  Hopefully, when you were a child, you had a good role
model to show you how to do this.  If not, find one!

3. Off-load burdens, chore and responsibilities from your
wife.  Clean house, wash dishes, cook dinner - if you are
able.

4. Show interest in the Baby.  Attend birthing and parenting
classes with your wife (Don't be flirting with the other
ladies!  Very bad form.)  Take your wife shopping for baby-
things - a crib, infant toys, diapers, bottles, car seats,
rockers, and the carry everything diaper bag.  (Try to add
some humor to the process.  If it is fun for you, it might
help her feel better about the entire pregnancy thing.)

5. Find a fathers-to-be support group.  You all can sit
around the room telling raunchy jokes and laughing about
how ain't nobody getting none for another year, but they
long term rewards should be more than worth the momentary
sacrifice.

6. Get some time away for yourself.  Go for a walk.
Remember who you are, how you got here, and where you want
to go.  Think of the distant future.  The day your first
child graduates college, you'll be able to look yourself
in the mirror, and quietly proclaim "Today . . . I AM a Man!"

Until then, there is a lot of work that needs to be done. ;-)

Good luck,
Larry G.
LAMPS
www.loveandmarriageseminars.com

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Draconis - 27 Dec 2006 07:24 GMT
Thanks Larry!
I actually have a copy of that book (the first edition) that I got when
my daughter was on the way.  Good book.  There's NO WAY I'm thinking of
getting satisfaction somewhere else (Point #4 on your list).  I'm crazy
about my wife, and I guess that's part of why I'm at such a loss about
this whole thing.  I've been spending a lot of time getting my daughter
ready for the changes that will come for her too.  She'll no longer be
the only child, so she'll have some adjustments to make.  My wife was
amazed because I had to work off some stress over this so I completely
re-organized our garage, scrubbed the kitchen, the living room and the
baby's room.  I had been working out regularly, but I over did it and
injured my hip.  Not good.  I keep hanging in here, I guess I just
needed to get it all out of my system.  Thanks.

> > My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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Draconis - 27 Dec 2006 07:25 GMT
Thanks Larry!
I actually have a copy of that book (the first edition) that I got when
my daughter was on the way.  Good book.  There's NO WAY I'm thinking of
getting satisfaction somewhere else (Point #4 on your list).  I'm crazy
about my wife, and I guess that's part of why I'm at such a loss about
this whole thing.  I've been spending a lot of time getting my daughter
ready for the changes that will come for her too.  She'll no longer be
the only child, so she'll have some adjustments to make.  My wife was
amazed because I had to work off some stress over this so I completely
re-organized our garage, scrubbed the kitchen, the living room and the
baby's room.  I had been working out regularly, but I over did it and
injured my hip.  Not good.  I keep hanging in here, I guess I just
needed to get it all out of my system.  Thanks.

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> > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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rdubose@pdq.net - 28 Dec 2006 04:54 GMT
> > My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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> LAMPS
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   This kind of sh.t is enough to annihlate the average guys interest
in marriage. I notice that you cannot seem to even conceptualize that
the wife might have any obligations towards  husband. You must think we
are pretty stupid.

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Draconis - 28 Dec 2006 07:08 GMT
> > > My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> > > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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Hey rdub...
I gotta tell ya, I'm a little concerned about your use of the word
"obligations"  I'd like to think my wife makes love to me because she
loves me and she enjoys it, not because she's "obligated".  Honestly,
if I felt she was "obligated" I probably would never have come here to
ask the advice of strangers.  I probably would have made selfish and
unreasonable demands that may have taken my marriage to the breaking
point.  That's the last thing in the world I want.  A few people here
have written things that really concern me about their attitudes toward
their wives.  I want everyone to be clear on this:  Apart from this
episode, I'm 100% happy in my marriage and completely committed to my
wife and marriage.  Tell me, would it matter to you to find out that
your wife made love to you because she was obligated-the same way she
may be to clean the dishes or put gas in the car, or would you
seriously want her to love you enough to give herself to you?
JAKE - 27 Dec 2006 07:59 GMT
draconis,you already know the answer to your question but your hopping
your wrong,maybe you are ,but probably not.its not fair for her to make
you worried about your relationship to where you have to come here and
ask questions,she is not being straight with you. and you dont need any
books on how to be a dad ,that comes natural.shes the one who needs to
sit down and read how to be a better wife

> My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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> just completely uninterested.  I've tried to talk to her about it,
> bushe shuts down.  Any ideas out there?
Larry G. - 27 Dec 2006 13:55 GMT
> draconis,you already know the answer to your question but your hopping
> your wrong,maybe you are ,but probably not.its not fair for her to make
> you worried about your relationship to where you have to come here and
> ask questions,she is not being straight with you. and you dont need any
> books on how to be a dad ,that comes natural.shes the one who needs to
> sit down and read how to be a better wife

Horseshit!

Where the hell do you get the wherewithall to tell someone else
to:
- avoid education
- avoid personal responsibility and initiative
- blame their spouse
- set up their marriage for failure

If you aren't divorced by now, I should imagine your wife wishes
she were.  I grew up in a house with that kind of imbicilic
insecurity, domination and abuse.  And I resent anyone else
trying to perpetuate such a miserable state of existence.

Get off the internet and get thee to a counselor, before you
end up in jail, and take other innocent souls with you.

regards,
Larry G.
LAMPS
www.loveandmarriageseminars.com

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tabaround@yahoo.com - 28 Dec 2006 00:40 GMT
Gee, Larry, maybe you should calm down?  This is a message board, not a
professional counseling office.  People are free to be wrong without
reducing them to dust.  I appreciate your motivation, but your delivery
is hostile and could use some understanding and patience to temper it.

Thanks for the advice portion of your post.  THAT part was good.

Regards,
Tab

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Michael A. Ball - 27 Dec 2006 17:07 GMT
>draconis,you already know the answer to your question but your hopping
>your wrong,maybe you are ,but probably not.its not fair for her to make
>you worried about your relationship to where you have to come here and
>ask questions,she is not being straight with you. and you dont need any
>books on how to be a dad ,that comes natural.shes the one who needs to
>sit down and read how to be a better wife

Are you being facetious? Okay. I'll play.

Yeah! You're right: this mess is her fault! She is being unfair. She
knew, before she became pregnant that she'd have weird sensory
anomalies, daunting physical chances and off the scale mood swings. What
a mean person she is! Who knows what sort of things she is hiding. She
needs to read a lot of books on being a good wife! You know, I think she
might be possessed!

Naturally, the OP doesn't need to read any books on being a father.

NO! I CAN'T DO THIS! You said, "...you don't need any
books on how to be a dad ,that comes natural." That is the stupidest
damned thing I've read here in a very long time. Being a good dad (or
mother) does Not come naturally--especially in humans! You have to work
at it! Books can provide a lot of insight, and so can discussions with
knowledgeable people.

________________________
Whatever it takes.
S.D. - 28 Dec 2006 00:53 GMT
> you dont need any
> books on how to be a dad ,that comes natural.shes the one who needs to
> sit down and read how to be a better wife

How old are you????  This sounds like a teenager or a disturbed frat
brother talking through his a.s...  
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Draconis - 28 Dec 2006 03:24 GMT
Hey Jake,
Well, thanks for your comments, but I'm not really all that worried
about our relationship.  We're strong in every other aspect of our
marriage, and I feel like I would be less than a man if I left my wife
and children simply because I wasn't getting enough sex.  So why did I
come here?  I guess just to see if I was alone in this event or if any
other guys have experienced this too.  Still, thanks for the words
> draconis,you already know the answer to your question but your hopping
> your wrong,maybe you are ,but probably not.its not fair for her to make
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> > just completely uninterested.  I've tried to talk to her about it,
> > bushe shuts down.  Any ideas out there?
tabaround@yahoo.com - 28 Dec 2006 00:59 GMT
Good evening, Draconis!

You are facing a dilemma that many, MANY young fathers do, yet are
ashamed to speak about it to others for fear of retribution or casting
a pall on you or your wifes reputations, especially being newly
married.

Pregnancy brings a whole host of issues forward that neither of you
have had to confront before.  She is battling a virtual armegeddon of
hormonal and physical changes that are duty bound to affect her
emotions, as well.  She may even be fearful of sexual contact, because
she feels the babe might be injured in the process.  In addition to
wanting to vomit at the sight or smell of certain foods or other types
of odor sources, well, she's a mess for the first few months of this
odessey you two have ventured off on.  For you, I am proud of the fact
that you are sensible, devoted and concerned for her well-being and
also, for caring enough to seek answers to this problem for yourself,
but for your lovely bride as well.  My best advice to you is to
encourage you to go slowly, try to be patient and remember that your
relationship consists of 90% emotion and 10% physical, if we can
presume you to be a "normally sexually active" young couple, so it may
require that you underscore the emotional connection and diminish the
need for the physical connection for awhile.  COMMUNICATION is now and
will always be your very best tool for understanding each others fears,
needs and desires.  It is my sincerest wish that you speak to her after
the lights have gone out and you are laying together in bed, whereupon
you can quietly appeal your concerns to her with as little
confrontation as possible.  It is very possible that she is ashamed or
feeling resentful that you have asked for sex at this stage OR it could
be that it is simply her hormones in overdrive and she simply will not
be able to explain her actions and attitudes.  That doesn't make it
right, but you two love one another and can learn to trust each other
in SPITE of the problems.

Having 'been there, done that', I can tell you that the solution to
your problem will come most likely as the problem is disappearing.
Pregnancy brings with it a while host of changes that you will watch
her go through and to which you will be required to respond correctly
to.  Again, TRY TO talk, talk and talk some more and I think that you
will find the answers you seek together with time and patience.  That
rule will not change for the rest of your married lives, so begin
today, hon.  Just never stop trying!!

Best of luck and congratulations on this very exciting and rewarding
chapter of your lives together ...

Tab ;)
> My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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> just completely uninterested.  I've tried to talk to her about it,
> but she shuts down.  Any ideas out there?
Draconis - 28 Dec 2006 06:43 GMT
Hey Tab,
Thanks for all the great advice.  I've tried talking to her several
times at different times.  I've even written her letters in case she's
uncomfortable talking face to face.  No reply.  I keep trying to keep
myself active: work, housecleaning, late night Google advice :-), and
stuff like that.  I've even been playing a PS2 just to get my mind off
things!  I appreciate your thoughtful and insightful advice.  I'll
stand by her, of course, and, since I was there when she got pregnant
(wink wink) I already know she's worth the wait.
> Good evening, Draconis!
>
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> > just completely uninterested.  I've tried to talk to her about it,
> > but she shuts down.  Any ideas out there?
S.D. - 28 Dec 2006 01:09 GMT
>  I've always valued
> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> just completely uninterested.  I've tried to talk to her about it,
> but she shuts down.  Any ideas out there?

A year of marriage isn't nearly enough to really know how your SO's
behaves under situations as demanding as pregnancy.  Its surly not easy,
and its only the beginning.  

Its time to man up ---  If you're man enough to father a child, you're
man enough to step up and provide some patience, understanding and
leadership.  You're about to be a dad, quite thinking with your little
head... <grr>

You're body isn't contorting to accommodate another person.  She's taken
on the process without knowing what's going to happen to her in the next
minute.  Imagine how she's changing and how those changes are affecting
her own sense of self, let alone the wife in her.  

SD:)
Ivanna Pee - 28 Dec 2006 13:44 GMT
> My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> just completely uninterested.  I've tried to talk to her about it,
> but she shuts down.  Any ideas out there?

Good luck. My daughter is 3.5 years old. The last time I was intimate
with my wife was 3 years ago. I vehemently complained about this on
several occasions and was told to look elsewhere, so I do. It is a
terrible thing to be rejected by your own wife; really screws up your
mind. I love my wife and daughter; unfortunately she is no longer
interested in sex. I think we are only together because of our
daughter. Maybe its because she is now 42 years old. I dunno, but I
hope for better things for you. I am miserable. I beleive that if I do
find a woman who consistently puts out for me my marriage will end
quickly. Let her read this.
Stephanie - 28 Dec 2006 13:50 GMT
>> My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
>> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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> find a woman who consistently puts out for me my marriage will end
> quickly. Let her read this.

Do people really think and live like this? This is so depressing. I have an
imagine in my mind of a cycle that both of you are feeding into, so busy
with your own needs and desires that your partner's are irrelevant when
focusing on your partner would get you what YOU want. I tell you what, no
one in their right mind wants to be viewed as "consistently putting out."
And when approached with complaints about the lack of sex, I wonder who
would want to have sex because of complaints rather than TLC. Stop it. Break
the cycle. And talk to her like a human being and find out what her needs
are. And express your needs in a meaningful and emotionally healthy way.

Get over to marriagebuilders.com. Get into marriage counseling. Before you
ruin your child's life.
bchamberlin - 28 Dec 2006 16:41 GMT
> >> My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> >> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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> Get over to marriagebuilders.com. Get into marriage counseling. Before you
> ruin your child's life.

Good advice.  You and I haven't always gotten along on this group, but
it's hard to argue with logic like that.  

--Brian
Ivanna Pee - 28 Dec 2006 17:51 GMT
> >> My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> >> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> Get over to marriagebuilders.com. Get into marriage counseling. Before you
> ruin your child's life.

Typical woman. You know it all don't you. Needs and desires? Sex is a
need for the human male, especially the American male. Why do people
get married? For love, companionship, compassion, and sex. Yes sex,
consistent sex. This is undeniable. No dating required. It is
understood. Lack of sex may even be grounds for a divorce in some
states, kinda like  abandonment. If sex is not one of the reasons for a
marriage, then it is most likely that the reason is money.
I lived with my wife for 4 years before we got married, and then we
waited 5 years before making a baby. Those were the good old days. So
we have been living together for at least 13 years. Ask your hubby what
he would do if you stopped being intimate with him. You may be
surprised what he says, but I wouldn't.

How long have you been married miss know it all?
tabaround@yahoo.com - 28 Dec 2006 18:15 GMT
Hi, Ivanna ...

I think you are both saying the same thing, just from different
perspectives.  If you think about it, 'The Blame Game' is used by us
all to deflect and defend our positions, yet in the end, if we can't
compromise and make an admission or two that we don't know everything
and that we are not perfect beings in the context of our relationship
with our spouse, we then we have no hope of making any real progress in
understanding what is wrong or how to fix it.

The bedroom is an extension of your relationship with one another.
Typically, if there is some need not being met outside the bedroom, you
will find it directly affects the relationship inside the bedroom.
Sex, making love, is an act of TRUST.  If your spouse feels that you
have betrayed her trust, this is going to change the metrics of your
relationship.  I don't care if it's a year old or 100 years old.  Women
have a keen sense of their emotional selves and often are accused of
being guilty of nagging their mates.  Why?  Because they are able to
see the problem and are bold enough to do something about it.

If you and your wife are at odds over child-rearing or household
responsibilities, money matters, family relationships or friends, or
she is just plain worn out from being everybody's everything, perhaps
this has contributed to the dry-spell in the BR.  We will all go
through different times in our life when some things are simply more
important than others, and as a couple it takes great patience,
understanding and a willingness to communicate with each other to
navigate through them.  If it is a hormonal imbalance, she may well
need to see her physician or begin a workout regimine to adequately
address it.  No matter what the problem, if you love her and she loves
you, don't run from it.  Confront it head on.  You will not regret it.

Good luck ...

Tab

> > >> My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> > >> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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> How long have you been married miss know it all?
Doug Anderson - 28 Dec 2006 19:33 GMT
> > >> My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> > >> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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> he would do if you stopped being intimate with him. You may be
> surprised what he says, but I wouldn't.

Here is the problem.

Your attitude that you are entitled to sex isn't getting you any, is
it?

Your attitude that no sex is grounds for divorce also isn't helping
you much, is it?  (And it is silly, since in most parts of the US, not
wanting to be married anymore is grounds for divorce.)

So what can you do?  

1) be unhappy, whine, and divorce when you find someone else.

2) ask yourself what is going on overall with your marriage, and
  whether there is a way to turn it around.

  If you aren't going to do (1), then going to marriage counseling,
  and beginning conversations with your wife about how to make your
  marriage overall better (you can certainly include that you'd like
  to have a sex life together again) is your best approach.
Ivanna Pee - 28 Dec 2006 23:53 GMT
> > > >> My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> > > >> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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>    marriage overall better (you can certainly include that you'd like
>    to have a sex life together again) is your best approach.

How long have you been married? Conversations abound with my wife you
nutter. Been trying to turn it around for 3 years. Took 6 months to get
my first date with her 14 years ago. Can't you read? Iv'e been all
through #2 on your pop chart.
Doug Anderson - 29 Dec 2006 00:28 GMT
> > > > >> My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> > > > >> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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>
> How long have you been married?

24 years.

> Conversations abound with my wife you
> nutter.

Have you been going to marriage counseling?  If you can't fix things
yourself, it is time to look for a skilled expert.  That's what you do
if your car was broken, right?

> Been trying to turn it around for 3 years. Took 6 months to get
> my first date with her 14 years ago. Can't you read? Iv'e been all
> through #2 on your pop chart.

Since you didn't write about it, how would being able to read have
helped?

Is your style here any indication of how you behave to other people?
If you treat your wife like you treat people who are trying to be
helpful here,  it would be _very_ surprising if she wanted to have sex
with you.
S.D. - 28 Dec 2006 21:11 GMT
> Get over to marriagebuilders.com. Get into marriage counseling. Before you
> ruin your child's life.

Excellent advice and site, I might add.
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SD:)

honjohn - 29 Dec 2006 21:44 GMT
> My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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> just completely uninterested.  I've tried to talk to her about it,
> but she shuts down.  Any ideas out there

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Have you considered getting a boyfriend? He could help you ease through
your lonelyness.The plus side is he won't get pregnant.
When your out of Town
Go for the Brown Round..............
Draconis - 31 Dec 2006 05:52 GMT
So... were you born an idiot or did you learn it from your parents?
> > My wife and I have been married for over a year.  I've always valued
> > the sex in our relationship more than she, but now, after getting
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> When your out of Town
> Go for the Brown Round..............
 
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